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Speaking of cluster F_ _Ks If things were in order under #45 you would think his repub colleagues would have already revealed everything from A to Z. They havent done that. They think by piling on Biden it will put a feather in their caps.
Also #45 insists he played a huge role in the COVID-19 vaccine. FACT Medical labs had already made committments to vaccines in early 2017, well before the emergence of COVID-19. Vaccine research began shortly after the SARS outbreak ended in 2010. His administration did not go the full 9 yards. There were logistical problems once lots of the vaccine were transported by FedEx and UPS. I some areas Vaccines were not distributed till 2, 3 weeks after arriving in some states. Also whatever became of his COVID response team headed by VP Mike Pence???? After a few weeks we did not hear anything from that team. Not surprising since #45 wasnt proactive when on Jan 3rd 2020 US intel formally notified the WH on the extreme possibility the virus could spread to the US. He went golfing on Jan 4th & 5th and the following weekend. And he also did the same in the month of February. Talk about leading by example, or the lack of it.
Fauci in Feb said to go ahead and travel and take cruises. The Director General of the WHO, the first week of March, downplayed Covid compared to the flu in his opening remarks to the media. Yet somehow, you expected Trump to have locked down the country in Jan. How are Covid cases doing under Joey's leadership? Time to forget 45 and concentrate on the disaster that is the Joe Biden presidency.
 
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Fauci in Feb said to go ahead and travel and take cruises. The Director General of the WHO, the first week of March, downplayed Covid compared to the flu in his opening remarks to the media. Yet somehow, you expected Trump to have locked down the country in Jan. How are Covid cases doing under Joey's leadership? Time to forget 45 and concentrate on the disaster that is the Joe Biden presidency.
I expect the leader of the free world to be proactive; not play golf on consecutive weekends. Thats sending the wrong message to his staff. If your boss isnt going to spin his wheels with a crisis then the general feeling is why should I be alarmed and/ or concerned??
 
I expect the leader of the free world to be proactive; not play golf on consecutive weekends. Thats sending the wrong message to his staff. If your boss isnt going to spin his wheels with a crisis then the general feeling is why should I be alarmed and/ or concerned??
Yes, Obama should not have played golf right after American journalist James Foley was murdered. I'm sure you came on here and really admonished Barry for that one. :rolleyes:
 
Yes, Obama should not have played golf right after American journalist James Foley was murdered. I'm sure you came on here and really admonished Barry for that one. :rolleyes:
There was a rescue attempt. A fire fight ensued where a number of ISIS were killed But Foley had been moved earlier, before the raid took place. Then Secretary Hagle said a lot of time was spent on preparation. THey had signal intel, human intel so they had a good idea where he was. There were several practices for the rescue. Bottom line in these types of scenarios ISIS, just like the Taliban have time on their side. We have state of the art technology but ISIS and the Taliban hold all the cards. President Obama gave the green light.
The difference between the Foley situation and Pandemic is the latter happened in our own backyard. If a leader cant handle a crisis in his own backyard, the pandemic, how can he be expected to handle a Crisis overseas, The exit from Afghanistan, or more appropriately "the surrender of Afghanistan.
 
Speaking of cluster F_ _Ks If things were in order under #45 you would think his repub colleagues would have already revealed everything from A to Z. They havent done that. They think by piling on Biden it will put a feather in their caps.
Also #45 insists he played a huge role in the COVID-19 vaccine. FACT Medical labs had already made committments to vaccines in early 2017, well before the emergence of COVID-19. Vaccine research began shortly after the SARS outbreak ended in 2010. His administration did not go the full 9 yards. There were logistical problems once lots of the vaccine were transported by FedEx and UPS. I some areas Vaccines were not distributed till 2, 3 weeks after arriving in some states. Also whatever became of his COVID response team headed by VP Mike Pence???? After a few weeks we did not hear anything from that team. Not surprising since #45 wasnt proactive when on Jan 3rd 2020 US intel formally notified the WH on the extreme possibility the virus could spread to the US. He went golfing on Jan 4th & 5th and the following weekend. And he also did the same in the month of February. Talk about leading by example, or the lack of it.
Not the topic at question.
 
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There was a rescue attempt. A fire fight ensued where a number of ISIS were killed But Foley had been moved earlier, before the raid took place. Then Secretary Hagle said a lot of time was spent on preparation. THey had signal intel, human intel so they had a good idea where he was. There were several practices for the rescue. Bottom line in these types of scenarios ISIS, just like the Taliban have time on their side. We have state of the art technology but ISIS and the Taliban hold all the cards. President Obama gave the green light.
The difference between the Foley situation and Pandemic is the latter happened in our own backyard. If a leader cant handle a crisis in his own backyard, the pandemic, how can he be expected to handle a Crisis overseas, The exit from Afghanistan, or more appropriately "the surrender of Afghanistan.
Talk about moving the goalposts. Barry either played golf during a crisis or he did not. You never explained why 45 was supposed to shut down the country last January when Fauci and the WHO were still downplaying Covid through March. Speaking of not handling a crisis, how's Joey doing in regards to Covid, the border crisis, or Afghanistan?
 
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Talk about moving the goalposts. Barry either played golf during a crisis or he did not. You never explained why 45 was supposed to shut down the country last January when Fauci and the WHO were still downplaying Covid through March. Speaking of not handling a crisis, how's Joey doing in regards to Covid, the border crisis, or Afghanistan?
If I were Trump I would not wait for Fauci or WHO to call the shots. If US intel provided the info, which it did you have to be pro active. BTW no one knows what Obama was doing from the time Foley was kidnapped to when he was executed by ISIS. The ISIS members who executed Foley originated in Iraq, where US forces as well as US intel had believed they had this ISIS group bottled up in Iraq, according to Sec Hagle. Foley was killed in Syria by members of ISIS. The birth of ISIS began with the Invasion of Iraq, no thanks to the GWB administration. Without an invasion of Iraq, there would be no ISIS.
As for COVID-19 Biden cant control the urges of the masses that choose to be entitled; no masks, no social distancing. The states that chose not to enforce mask & vaccine requirements are paying dearly. A few days ago Texas Gov Abbott tested positive. FL gov Ron DeSantis has received pushback from Florida school boards on his no mask enforcement, schools included. For one person to make a decision on not to ensure the safety of school children he is out of his gourd. Biden has had to tie lose ends with the border issues as well as Afghanistan. It stands to reason #45 didnt have a sense of urgency with COVID, so its no surprise what happened at the border and Afghanistan.
 
I expect the leader of the free world to be proactive; not play golf on consecutive weekends. Thats sending the wrong message to his staff. If your boss isnt going to spin his wheels with a crisis then the general feeling is why should I be alarmed and/ or concerned??
Thankfully we now have a president that spends his day sleeping, eating Ice Cream, saying "Yes Nancy" and selling $500,000 paintings.
 
If I were Trump I would not wait for Fauci or WHO to call the shots. If US intel provided the info, which it did you have to be pro active. BTW no one knows what Obama was doing from the time Foley was kidnapped to when he was executed by ISIS. The ISIS members who executed Foley originated in Iraq, where US forces as well as US intel had believed they had this ISIS group bottled up in Iraq, according to Sec Hagle. Foley was killed in Syria by members of ISIS. The birth of ISIS began with the Invasion of Iraq, no thanks to the GWB administration. Without an invasion of Iraq, there would be no ISIS.
As for COVID-19 Biden cant control the urges of the masses that choose to be entitled; no masks, no social distancing. The states that chose not to enforce mask & vaccine requirements are paying dearly. A few days ago Texas Gov Abbott tested positive. FL gov Ron DeSantis has received pushback from Florida school boards on his no mask enforcement, schools included. For one person to make a decision on not to ensure the safety of school children he is out of his gourd. Biden has had to tie lose ends with the border issues as well as Afghanistan. It stands to reason #45 didnt have a sense of urgency with COVID, so its no surprise what happened at the border and Afghanistan.
That sure is a long winded way of saying that Barry played golf during a crisis too. My wife is supposed to travel to Hawaii next month to see our son. Now your state is recommending tourists not to come until at least Oct because of the surge in cases there. How can this be happening in such a wonderfully run state that has among the highest mask and vaccination rates in the country? Maybe you should get your own state in order before you criticize the actions of others. I'm not sure how anyone still thinks that a face diaper is going to stop Covid at this point when the science clearly shows that it's just not true.
 
I hope your wife doesnt have to jump thru a lot of hoops to get to Hawaii. Unfortunately because of the sudden surge with the Delta variant, Its not so simple to just say "dont come." Our state govt would have to commiserate with the airline industry, maybe the FAA and I dont know what other regulatory agencies would be involved. To say "dont come" isnt going to close the gates so to speak. We have a% of residents that are antivaxxers and those who do not believe in emergency protocols. If Im not mistaken your son attends school on Hawaii Island. It has the 2nd highest number of folks stricken with COVID/Delta variant. I hope all agencies on the Island will make your wife's visit a pleasant one. I wont go so far as to say our state is "well run." 35% of state employees are still unvaccinated. The City & County of Honolulu has just under 30% of its employees unvaccinated. All State employees who are unvaccinated will be required to be tested twice a week and the state is not paying for it. The city will have a requirement policy by the end of this week. These protocols shouldve been in place months ago. No brainers!!!
The NO RENT proclamation which puts residential rental payments on hold is counter productive. Restuarants in Waikiki and other resort areas are horribly understaffed. A lot of our visitors complain of the long wait just to get a table as well as having their order taken, then served. Reports of people having to wait a total of 3 hours isnt uncommon. If the state lifts the moratorium people will go back to work, the restuarants, stores, bars, hotels would be adequately staffed, it would be more inviting to visitors to patronize the establishments, the wholesalers wouldnt have to worry if they are going to be paid on time, etc., Landlords and building associations have expense lines to meet also. Sorry, Im so frustrated with the pendulum constantly swinging away.
 
I hope your wife doesnt have to jump thru a lot of hoops to get to Hawaii. Unfortunately because of the sudden surge with the Delta variant, Its not so simple to just say "dont come." Our state govt would have to commiserate with the airline industry, maybe the FAA and I dont know what other regulatory agencies would be involved. To say "dont come" isnt going to close the gates so to speak. We have a% of residents that are antivaxxers and those who do not believe in emergency protocols. If Im not mistaken your son attends school on Hawaii Island. It has the 2nd highest number of folks stricken with COVID/Delta variant. I hope all agencies on the Island will make your wife's visit a pleasant one. I wont go so far as to say our state is "well run." 35% of state employees are still unvaccinated. The City & County of Honolulu has just under 30% of its employees unvaccinated. All State employees who are unvaccinated will be required to be tested twice a week and the state is not paying for it. The city will have a requirement policy by the end of this week. These protocols shouldve been in place months ago. No brainers!!!
The NO RENT proclamation which puts residential rental payments on hold is counter productive. Restuarants in Waikiki and other resort areas are horribly understaffed. A lot of our visitors complain of the long wait just to get a table as well as having their order taken, then served. Reports of people having to wait a total of 3 hours isnt uncommon. If the state lifts the moratorium people will go back to work, the restuarants, stores, bars, hotels would be adequately staffed, it would be more inviting to visitors to patronize the establishments, the wholesalers wouldnt have to worry if they are going to be paid on time, etc., Landlords and building associations have expense lines to meet also. Sorry, Im so frustrated with the pendulum constantly swinging away.
We're all frustrated hawaiian, just in different ways. Good memory on my son. He does go to school in Hilo, but they're going to meet up on Maui, where my son's roommate's parents live. My wife has had the shot so hoping it will indeed make it a bit easier for her to enjoy herself there.
 
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We're all frustrated hawaiian, just in different ways. Good memory on my son. He does go to school in Hilo, but they're going to meet up on Maui, where my son's roommate's parents live. My wife has had the shot so hoping it will indeed make it a bit easier for her to enjoy herself there.
I dont know thats her 1st trip to Maui but I think she will enjoy it. Hope she gets a chance to visit Hana. Its awfully nice there.
 
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And again. You’re predictable
Least he just provided a link instead of trying to pass on his parties talking points as his own opinion. Sad thing is that even the board libs know the talking points better than biden him self. You’d think with all that big tech money and the main stream liberal media resources biden would at least be afforded better handlers. It’s like they’re not even trying to put on a show. Why would they? The board libs have proven time and time again that biden can do no wrong. Not worth the effort I guess.
 
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I dont know thats her 1st trip to Maui but I think she will enjoy it. Hope she gets a chance to visit Hana. Its awfully nice there.
We went there about 10 years ago and loved it. Her ex boss owns the Mauian Hotel on Napili Bay, so that's where we stayed and where her and my son will be staying this time. My son will be her travel guide for this trip and Hana is one of the places that they're going to see.
 
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Most anti-American violent radical leftists like BLM, Antifa, that weird whatever group in Seattle, and others rejoice at America suffering just like they do with their self-victimization
And they are protected by those principles and people they hate.
 
Least he just provided a link instead of trying to pass on his parties talking points as his own opinion. Sad thing is that even the board libs know the talking points better than biden him self. You’d think with all that big tech money and the main stream liberal media resources biden would at least be afforded better handlers. It’s like they’re not even trying to put on a show. Why would they? The board libs have proven time and time again that biden can do no wrong. Not worth the effort I guess.
Speaking of putting on a show, that is exactly what the US Military Industrial Complex is trying to do. WE have seen numerous media appearances by US generals and other members of high rank giving so called critiques on National media outlets saying "why didnt they do that?", They shouldve done this, If it were up to me, Thats a no no, " etc., these same folks who failed in their military endeavors are on the payroll of the military industrial complex and they are told what to say, what not to say so the industrial complex can save face. To which I will add these individuals who have failed now see a golden oppurtunity to redeem themselves and feel vindicated by throwing their colleagues under the bus. I dont think I need to remind everyone the military industrial complex has its hooks deeply imbedded in our members of congress and senate, on both sides.
On 08/24 word from the WH said some 53,000 were evacuated from Afghanistan since the end of July. Of those 53,000 evacuees 48,000 were evacuated after the President of Afghanistan evacuated himself and the country ended up with the Taliban in complete control. With 53,000 evacuated by 08/24 the Biden administration and the US military continue, as they did last week to manage the most successful evacuation from a war that America LOST. Some media outlets continues to portray the evacuation as a debacle. That is because if not all of them, most of them are not old enough or not yet born the first time the US lost a much bigger war and fled that country while being shot at by the people the US called the enemy and who is now treated by the US as one of its friends and one of its trading partners in Asia : Vietnam. Our relations are so friendly that a few days ago VP Kamala Harris' trip to Vietnam was a priority.
To call something a debacle suggests there is a better way to do things and we know how to do it better. Case in point: If you are driving along and suddenly you are confronted by a natural disaster and you can no longer drive because your car stalls, do we call that a debacle or do we call it inevitable??? When we hear pundits and critics calling the exit from Afghanistan a debacle, compared to what?????? When has any country evacuated from a foreign war that they lost in a way that is better than what we are seeing now???? The answer: NEVER
This is the best version of war we lost that the world has ever seen. That doesnt make it good, that doesnt make it orderly, that doesnt make it safe for everyone involved but does mean nothing else was realistically possible.
In 1975, when we exited Vietnam and the last helicopter left Saigon, Republican POTUS Gerald Ford's press secretary Ron Nessen, who Ford inherited from the resignation of Richard Nixon, was asked what was POTUS Ford's reaction to South Vietnam's surrender to North Vietnam? Nessen replied "given the military situation, this did seem to be the inevitable result." No one in the press corp then asked "why POTUS Ford did not publicly say it was inevitable that the side we had been fighting for would surrender before they surrendered?" Because the reporters were all adults then who understood the POTUS could not publicly predict the surrender of the weak govt we had been fighting for. Everyone accepted that there would not be a complete count of how many people got out of Vietnam at the end of a war we lost. No one in the WH press corp believed they were better at evacuation logistics than the US military. The American news media was not then in the business of paying Generals to come on TV and have them tell you they are smarter than the current generals that are in command and also claim to be smarter than the Generals who served during the war in Vietnam.
Can the evacuation from Vietnam be called a debacle? Some will call it that we all knew at the time everyday we spent in Vietnam was a debacle and a moral disgrace.
Why does our govt cave into the military industrial complex instead of spending $$$$ on our country as a whole? As I mentioned at the beginning we keep hearing how bad things are in Afghanistan from former officers but where they successful while they were in Afghanistan??? The Afghan people would be better served if our primary goal is to improve their lives but instead we create "little Americas" to have Plutocracy take a chunk out of a country so we can control it.
 
Speaking of putting on a show, that is exactly what the US Military Industrial Complex is trying to do. WE have seen numerous media appearances by US generals and other members of high rank giving so called critiques on National media outlets saying "why didnt they do that?", They shouldve done this, If it were up to me, Thats a no no, " etc., these same folks who failed in their military endeavors are on the payroll of the military industrial complex and they are told what to say, what not to say so the industrial complex can save face. To which I will add these individuals who have failed now see a golden oppurtunity to redeem themselves and feel vindicated by throwing their colleagues under the bus. I dont think I need to remind everyone the military industrial complex has its hooks deeply imbedded in our members of congress and senate, on both sides.
On 08/24 word from the WH said some 53,000 were evacuated from Afghanistan since the end of July. Of those 53,000 evacuees 48,000 were evacuated after the President of Afghanistan evacuated himself and the country ended up with the Taliban in complete control. With 53,000 evacuated by 08/24 the Biden administration and the US military continue, as they did last week to manage the most successful evacuation from a war that America LOST. Some media outlets continues to portray the evacuation as a debacle. That is because if not all of them, most of them are not old enough or not yet born the first time the US lost a much bigger war and fled that country while being shot at by the people the US called the enemy and who is now treated by the US as one of its friends and one of its trading partners in Asia : Vietnam. Our relations are so friendly that a few days ago VP Kamala Harris' trip to Vietnam was a priority.
To call something a debacle suggests there is a better way to do things and we know how to do it better. Case in point: If you are driving along and suddenly you are confronted by a natural disaster and you can no longer drive because your car stalls, do we call that a debacle or do we call it inevitable??? When we hear pundits and critics calling the exit from Afghanistan a debacle, compared to what?????? When has any country evacuated from a foreign war that they lost in a way that is better than what we are seeing now???? The answer: NEVER
This is the best version of war we lost that the world has ever seen. That doesnt make it good, that doesnt make it orderly, that doesnt make it safe for everyone involved but does mean nothing else was realistically possible.
In 1975, when we exited Vietnam and the last helicopter left Saigon, Republican POTUS Gerald Ford's press secretary Ron Nessen, who Ford inherited from the resignation of Richard Nixon, was asked what was POTUS Ford's reaction to South Vietnam's surrender to North Vietnam? Nessen replied "given the military situation, this did seem to be the inevitable result." No one in the press corp then asked "why POTUS Ford did not publicly say it was inevitable that the side we had been fighting for would surrender before they surrendered?" Because the reporters were all adults then who understood the POTUS could not publicly predict the surrender of the weak govt we had been fighting for. Everyone accepted that there would not be a complete count of how many people got out of Vietnam at the end of a war we lost. No one in the WH press corp believed they were better at evacuation logistics than the US military. The American news media was not then in the business of paying Generals to come on TV and have them tell you they are smarter than the current generals that are in command and also claim to be smarter than the Generals who served during the war in Vietnam.
Can the evacuation from Vietnam be called a debacle? Some will call it that we all knew at the time everyday we spent in Vietnam was a debacle and a moral disgrace.
Why does our govt cave into the military industrial complex instead of spending $$$$ on our country as a whole? As I mentioned at the beginning we keep hearing how bad things are in Afghanistan from former officers but where they successful while they were in Afghanistan??? The Afghan people would be better served if our primary goal is to improve their lives but instead we create "little Americas" to have Plutocracy take a chunk out of a country so we can control it.
Another deflection.
 
Non at all. The inadequacies with his administration's handling of the Corona Virus parallels that of the deal made with the Taliban.
Elaborate what they did beside the travel ban, develop three vaccines, follow the advice of fake doctor Fauci.
 
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Elaborate what they did beside then travel ban, develop three vaccines, follow the advice of fake doctor Fauci.
Trump placed travel restrictions on those traveling to the US via China, on Jan 30th. 27 days late
The development of the vaccines began a few years ago and research had also been in place. This was due to the SARS virus 10-12 years earlier. If I were you I would follow the advice of those in the medical field and not a sitting President that constantly tried to undermine Americans into thinking he had all the answers. Remember his famous last words: "I alone can fix it."
 
Trump placed travel restrictions on those traveling to the US via China, on Jan 30th. 27 days late
The development of the vaccines began a few years ago and research had also been in place. This was due to the SARS virus 10-12 years earlier. If I were you I would follow the advice of those in the medical field and not a sitting President that constantly tried to undermine Americans into thinking he had all the answers. Remember his famous last words: "I alone can fix it."

I remember him taking HEAVY criticism for his travel restrictions in January... which you say was 27 days late.

He was called a bigot. A Xenophobe. A racist. He was crucified by the media and Liberals. They said he jumped the gun and there was no reason to shut down the travel.

Turns out... he was right. And while Fauci, Liberals and the CDC were downplaying the virus at that time to make Trump look bad...

Turns out, he was right again.

My, the revisionist history is heavy in this room.
 
I remember him taking HEAVY criticism for his travel restrictions in January... which you say was 27 days late.

He was called a bigot. A Xenophobe. A racist. He was crucified by the media and Liberals. They said he jumped the gun and there was no reason to shut down the travel.

Turns out... he was right. And while Fauci, Liberals and the CDC were downplaying the virus at that time to make Trump look bad...

Turns out, he was right again.

My, the revisionist history is heavy in this room.
This same guy said "We should wait for the summer when it gets warmer. It will go away." He didnt encourage wearing masks. He also claimed using clorox, injecting it will fight the virus. Thousands of Americans dying and he pulls a stunt like this
 
This same guy said "We should wait for the summer when it gets warmer. It will go away." He didnt encourage wearing masks. He also claimed using clorox, injecting it will fight the virus. Thousands of Americans dying and he pulls a stunt like this

Oh goodness! How dare He listen to some of his advisors that thought the hot summer months would kill the virus. Clearly it didn't happen... but who knew what would or wouldn't happen back then?? Fauci knew though... right?

I'm sure if you ask a Liberal, they will tell you they knew all along, but we all know Liberals only believe what they hear on CNN or MSNBC.

He didn't encourage wearing masks... and neither did Fauci. It is on record and fact that Fauci himself admitted that wearing masks was a facade... theater... a placebo effect action that absolutely would not protect you or others from the virus. Then... once Trump took a similar stance, he flipped and politicized it in effort to hurt Trumps position.

All Trump did was follow Fauci's lead here, and then when Fauci flip flopped on him for political reasons Trump all of a sudden looked like a bad guy for not listening to the "experts".

His comment on injecting Clorox was taken so far out of context you might as well say he told people to drink Kool aid and walk off the edge of a cliff. This is part of the reason he quit giving daily briefings to the press because it didn't matter what he said or did... they took his words and twisted them up more than a wire coat hanger.

Didn't matter what he did... there was always someone or something there to twist or flip it around to make it seem like something else. Could you imagine how frustrating that must have been?? Could you imagine how poor Biden would appear if the media wasn't so liberally biased and actually reported the truth without a slanted lean toward one side?

Then again... if the media weren't so corrupted and slanted, I suppose it's probable to say that Biden would have never won the election in the first place.
 
This same guy said "We should wait for the summer when it gets warmer. It will go away." He didnt encourage wearing masks. He also claimed using clorox, injecting it will fight the virus. Thousands of Americans dying and he pulls a stunt like this
This is a flat Lie about Clorox. You sheep are good for a laugh.
 
He may have not said Clorox but definitely he did say BLEACH. Same ole, same Ole
Very wrong, he said disinfectant, a medicinal disinfectant:

"I see the disinfectant that knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning? As you see, it gets in the lungs, it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that."
 
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Where's Cems..someone said he's time out period (mini ban) is over...however, the rumor out of NW Broward is he had Covid and hasn't been seen.

IS he back on here..I haven't come across his posts
 
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Where's Cems..someone said he's time out period (mini ban) is over...however, the rumor out of NW Broward is he had Covid and hasn't been seen.

IS he back on here..I haven't come across his posts
@cems52 posted Friday or Saturday, then got embarrassed again.
 
Speaking of putting on a show, that is exactly what the US Military Industrial Complex is trying to do. WE have seen numerous media appearances by US generals and other members of high rank giving so called critiques on National media outlets saying "why didnt they do that?", They shouldve done this, If it were up to me, Thats a no no, " etc., these same folks who failed in their military endeavors are on the payroll of the military industrial complex and they are told what to say, what not to say so the industrial complex can save face. To which I will add these individuals who have failed now see a golden oppurtunity to redeem themselves and feel vindicated by throwing their colleagues under the bus. I dont think I need to remind everyone the military industrial complex has its hooks deeply imbedded in our members of congress and senate, on both sides.
On 08/24 word from the WH said some 53,000 were evacuated from Afghanistan since the end of July. Of those 53,000 evacuees 48,000 were evacuated after the President of Afghanistan evacuated himself and the country ended up with the Taliban in complete control. With 53,000 evacuated by 08/24 the Biden administration and the US military continue, as they did last week to manage the most successful evacuation from a war that America LOST. Some media outlets continues to portray the evacuation as a debacle. That is because if not all of them, most of them are not old enough or not yet born the first time the US lost a much bigger war and fled that country while being shot at by the people the US called the enemy and who is now treated by the US as one of its friends and one of its trading partners in Asia : Vietnam. Our relations are so friendly that a few days ago VP Kamala Harris' trip to Vietnam was a priority.
To call something a debacle suggests there is a better way to do things and we know how to do it better. Case in point: If you are driving along and suddenly you are confronted by a natural disaster and you can no longer drive because your car stalls, do we call that a debacle or do we call it inevitable??? When we hear pundits and critics calling the exit from Afghanistan a debacle, compared to what?????? When has any country evacuated from a foreign war that they lost in a way that is better than what we are seeing now???? The answer: NEVER
This is the best version of war we lost that the world has ever seen. That doesnt make it good, that doesnt make it orderly, that doesnt make it safe for everyone involved but does mean nothing else was realistically possible.
In 1975, when we exited Vietnam and the last helicopter left Saigon, Republican POTUS Gerald Ford's press secretary Ron Nessen, who Ford inherited from the resignation of Richard Nixon, was asked what was POTUS Ford's reaction to South Vietnam's surrender to North Vietnam? Nessen replied "given the military situation, this did seem to be the inevitable result." No one in the press corp then asked "why POTUS Ford did not publicly say it was inevitable that the side we had been fighting for would surrender before they surrendered?" Because the reporters were all adults then who understood the POTUS could not publicly predict the surrender of the weak govt we had been fighting for. Everyone accepted that there would not be a complete count of how many people got out of Vietnam at the end of a war we lost. No one in the WH press corp believed they were better at evacuation logistics than the US military. The American news media was not then in the business of paying Generals to come on TV and have them tell you they are smarter than the current generals that are in command and also claim to be smarter than the Generals who served during the war in Vietnam.
Can the evacuation from Vietnam be called a debacle? Some will call it that we all knew at the time everyday we spent in Vietnam was a debacle and a moral disgrace.
Why does our govt cave into the military industrial complex instead of spending $$$$ on our country as a whole? As I mentioned at the beginning we keep hearing how bad things are in Afghanistan from former officers but where they successful while they were in Afghanistan??? The Afghan people would be better served if our primary goal is to improve their lives but instead we create "little Americas" to have Plutocracy take a chunk out of a country so we can control it.
Didn’t read. Way too long and probably just anti american hate speech anyway.
 
Very wrong, he said disinfectant, a medicinal disinfectant:

"I see the disinfectant that knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning? As you see, it gets in the lungs, it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that."
I wont ask for you to provide video evidence because it will be a edited, photo shopped version. That is what right wing and their media affiliates media do. Hope you have a COFEVE moment
 
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