NIH admits US funded gain-of-function in Wuhan — despite Fauci’s denials

[central17]

Very clearly, we live in different countries. The latest polling on Fauci that I could find concludes that 68% of Americans trust Dr. Fauci‘s advice on the pandemic. I’m in that camp.

Support for Fauci skews heavily Democratic, 80%+, and falls off dramatically among Republicans. I’m guessing with some confidence that Mahb, 17, and NoShore are in that camp.

We all have different sources of information that we trust or don’t trust,leading to different beliefs. I don’t see a path where those differing beliefs can be reconciled. We are a divided country.

Cortez,
6 Million people dead worldwide and you are focusing on political division within the US? 6 Million people dead and you are quoting polling data. Hitler polled extremely well in Germany in the late 1930's. Does that somehow make him less evil? I could get into a discussion about the fallacy of polls, especially by the media outlets you said within the past 24 hours that you only adhere to. But to attempt to say you have any interest in the truth and then quote polls as any kind of an indicator of the desired truth is simply misguided.

A simple question Cortez, going back to my Catholic educational upbringing: does a poll response at any given singular time accurately define an absolute truth? Please feel free to respond in detail to my overall post. But I think all honest debators on this board will take great interest in a binary "yes" or "no" as to your philosophical response to the question that compares current polling data to absolute truth.

 

[NO.SHORECANE]

I'd like to see a poll on Fauci support by M.D."s.

 

[mahb]

He would be the 1st ever negative poll taken. Especially with physicians that have 10+ years in practice. He has put us and our ethic's in question and without respect a Dr has a very difficult job trying to heal anyone. He's a loser and a traitor in my book

 

[cortez55403]

Cortez,
6 Million people dead worldwide and you are focusing on political division within the US? 6 Million people dead and you are quoting polling data. Hitler polled extremely well in Germany in the late 1930's. Does that somehow make him less evil? I could get into a discussion about the fallacy of polls, especially by the media outlets you said within the past 24 hours that you only adhere to. But to attempt to say you have any interest in the truth and then quote polls as any kind of an indicator of the desired truth is simply misguided.

A simple question Cortez, going back to my Catholic educational upbringing: does a poll response at any given singular time accurately define an absolute truth? Please feel free to respond in detail to my overall post. But I think all honest debators on this board will take great interest in a binary "yes" or "no" as to your philosophical response to the question that compares current polling data to absolute truth.

You’re getting a little high and mighty, 17, believing that “you have truth” on Fauci and that 68% of your fellow citizens are wrong. Your confidence is strong. Your arrogance about your position is even stronger. Not a good look.

 

[central17]

Cortez,
First, I will ask you again:
does a poll response at any given singular time accurately define an absolute truth?
I really don't understand the relevance of a poll when the discussion revolves around determining fact of what someone did or did not say or do.

Second, please provide a link to your 68% poll. With Biden at 42% and dropping like a rock, I highly doubt Fauci is at 68% approval. Especially after recent relevations. But I will read and then comment on what you send.

But most importantly what does poling have to do with character and truthfulness? At various times I am sure the following positions had polling over 68% approval ratings:

Hitler is doing a great job for Gemany (German poll in the 1930's)
Attacking Pearl Harbor is great idea (Japanese poll in 1941)
Slavery is a good thing (Several US southern tates in the 1850's)
Women should not be allowed to vote (US Men in the 1800's)
Man will never go to the moon (1800's)
The earth is flat (Papal voters in the early 1500's)

Do not understand your infatuation with polls when it comes to determining truth

 

[NO.SHORECANE]

You’re getting a little high and mighty, 17, believing that “you have truth” on Fauci and that 68% of your fellow citizens are wrong. Your confidence is strong. Your arrogance about your position is even stronger. Not a good look.

You just can't give up on a poll that means what with regard to his involvement in funding of Covid. Nothing.

 

[cortez55403]

poll. The Hill, 6-21-21.

17,

Your obsession with finding “the absolute truth” is obsessive and almost fanatical. I said nothing about the “truth” and how it might relate to these poll numbers. It’s about opinion, not truth. You went on a rant all on your own.

hitler? slavery? You’re off the rails.

 

[mahb]

LOL a poll LOL. A Media run (contrived) poll ROFLMA and ahhhh cough how many people were polled, from where, and of what affiliation? Bawhahahaha
You should go deposit your retirement to the hands of a statistician, they are the boss at polls. I'm going to ask an investment banker how well polls can predict profitable investment. 😂 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Seriously cortez your rationalizing to try and justify your point of view. Why not just list the actions he's taken? What does that say? Has he been up front and truthful ? How transparent has he and the situation been handled? Has he taken any responsibility of anything ?
Can you honestly fill in those blanks and honestly be able to say YES, without anyone being able to prove you wrong ?
Don't think so,,,

 

[mahb]

Ahh Cortez The Hill 6/21/21

Poll: 61 percent say Fauci has been truthful to the best of his knowledge on COVID-19 origins
A poll of 950 people LOL couldn't even predict red/black in roulette , and that poll is suppose to know (Devine/ consult spirits) if Fauci is telling the truth. You put your trust on a roll of the dice

NIH ADMITS FUNDING GAIN-OF-FUNCTION WUHAN LAB RESEARCH

What a difference 4 months makes. The NIH ( National Institute of Health) has now ADMITTED Funding the "Gain of Function" experiments Fauci vehemently said didn't exist. Rand Paul can have him arrested for lying to Congress about this very same THING on Camera.

 

[Allied2651]

Common Cortez, are you in Fauci's will? Your defense of him goes well beyond your typical rationalism?

Manson was a Musician
Hitler was an Artist
Bundy was a student
Mao was a Librarian
Stalin was a Journalist
Son of Sam was a postman

All mass murderer's can point to simple vocations as a starting point..

I would add Coumo a mass murderer was a politician. CD's hero!

 

[NO.SHORECANE]

The only meaningful poll will be in one year. Let's see how it plays out.

 

[mahb]

Check this out from The Hill. All thanks to Cortez

Fauci: Immigrants 'absolutely not' driving coronavirus infections in US .

This is an absolute and indefensible Lie. In this piece of fluff you'll only read opinion. Not 1 instance of data beyond the number sited for Deaths in America 700k. In a moment of poetic irony lab coat wearing Fauci say

" Certainly, immigrants can get infected, but they’re not the driving force of this," he added. "Let’s face reality here."

He sounds like he's trying to sell you, lets face reality here. So lets ,,,,

missing from this article is the % of infections found in the immigrants that have crossed our boarders. unofficially 6-8 out of 10 is the variation from the numbers I've seen cited in the news sites, as well as the cdc. For some reason the accounting of these immigrants has been incompleat and hard to find if exist lol.
We also know that the infectivity of covid is about 3 to 10 , so alittle over 3 infections/per 1 infected. The Varients are much more infective .

Now the most important part in determining if Exogenous( people with covid coming from outside the US) Covid is driving Covid rates within the country ,,,,,,,,,,, How Many Immigrants Have Crossed The Boarder ? Include the Got a ways,,,,,,,,, Include the standard deviation of error (admittedly high by the administration due to inaccurate/under count of crossings)

So How Many Millions of Immigrants , who came with Covid & caught Covid on the way here, are infected and where have they ALL been Placed ?

Are you starting to remember Immigrants being flown into States, being Bussed into States ? How Many States ?

So without having to come to Any Kind of conclusion when a politician says " Fauci: Immigrants 'absolutely not' driving coronavirus infections in "

is it truthful ? or is "Absolutely " code for " WITHOUT A DOUBT"

 

[central17]

poll. The Hill, 6-21-21.

17,

Your obsession with finding “the absolute truth” is obsessive and almost fanatical. I said nothing about the “truth” and how it might relate to these poll numbers. It’s about opinion, not truth. You went on a rant all on your own.

hitler? slavery? You’re off the rails.

How many lies ago is 6-21-21.
Care to wager a case of fine wine that Fauci's current polling is less than 68%?

 

[grbcane]

 

[grbcane]

@cortez55403 this hardly a right wing news source.

 

[central17]

Cortez,
Is NewsWeek a right wing source? They are speculating that Biden might fire the growingly unpopular Fauci to save his own poll numbers
https://www.newsweek.com/firing-dr-...nage-next-covid-wave-his-poll-numbers-1641690

 

[cortez55403]

Cortez,
Is NewsWeek a right wing source? They are speculating that Biden might fire the growingly unpopular Fauci to save his own poll numbers
https://www.newsweek.com/firing-dr-...nage-next-covid-wave-his-poll-numbers-1641690

No way Biden fires Fauci. A Right Wing wet dream.

 

[remma]

Cortez,
First, I will ask you again:
does a poll response at any given singular time accurately define an absolute truth?
The earth is flat (Papal voters in the early 1500's)

Do not understand your infatuation with polls when it comes to determining truth

The earth is flat - Kyrie Irving 2018

I think they're still polling on this one

 

[grbcane]

 

[grbcane]

 

[cortez55403]

The earth is flat - Kyrie Irving 2018

I think they're still polling on this one

I respect that you guys believe firmly what you believe. I worry that you are not fully aware that the majority of Americans don’t agree with you. I worry further that you’re occupying far right fringy positions with pride, anger and intolerance.

 

[krvanness]

I respect that you guys believe firmly what you believe. I worry that you are not fully aware that the majority of Americans don’t agree with you. I worry further that you’re occupying far right fringy positions with pride, anger and intolerance.

Cortez, I enjoy your posts and don't always disagree with you. But, assuming the polls you cite are correct, who cares what the majority thinks. The majority isn't always right on either side of an issue.

 

[cortez55403]

Cortez, I enjoy your posts and don't always disagree with you. But, assuming the polls you cite are correct, who cares what the majority thinks. The majority isn't always right on either side of an issue.

KRV. That’s fair and fine. Certainly, the majority isn’t always right.

On this Fauci issue, however, isn’t it also a mistake to assume that the majority is absolutely wrong and that the “absolute truth” is that Fauci is a liar, fraud and a financially self interested bureaucrat? The vigorous belief in this indictment of Fauci feels unbalanced, radical and ideology-based.

 

[NO.SHORECANE]

I don’t think 68% of Americans support Fauci in spite of the fact that MSM is covering up all his transgressions.

 

[cortez55403]

I don’t think 68% of Americans support Fauci in spite of the fact that MSM is covering up all his transgressions.

That’s what the data says, NoShore. That data is blended , composed of wildly different numbers for Dems (80%+ approval for Fauci) and way lower for Republicans.

IMHO, this wild split reflects:

*cultural divides across the US population. Pro and Anti Trump factions hate each other.

*sources of information/opinion also vary radically. MSN vs Murdoch/Fox/Tucker. Just getting different information.

 

[mahb]

Polls are meant to predict a certain thing or action, IF they are done correctly. Even then they are done to Predict NOT guarantee. Madam Cleo may be rich off fools calling her #, but that doesn't the fools that called her received correct readings. Clinton was polled to win in a landslide,,,,,,,,,,, some people use polls to bluster what they want and aid in convincing themselves or others their opinion is correct,,,,,, Call me nowwww !
So though you post and seem to focus your opinion based on polls, Do YOU have a thought or belief that is yours? asking for a friend

 

[cortez55403]

Polls are meant to predict a certain thing or action, IF they are done correctly. Even then they are done to Predict NOT guarantee. Madam Cleo may be rich off fools calling her #, but that doesn't the fools that called her received correct readings. Clinton was polled to win in a landslide,,,,,,,,,,, some people use polls to bluster what they want and aid in convincing themselves or others their opinion is correct,,,,,, Call me nowwww !
So though you post and seem to focus your opinion based on polls, Do YOU have a thought or belief that is yours? asking for a friend

I stated clearly several times that I believe and support Fauci. Weren’t your reading?

I think the Right Wing Media jihad against him (deals with China; lying constantly; killing dogs; responsible for 500k dead; profiting personally from the pandemic; etc etc) is a politically motivated bunch of BS designed to boost Fox ratings and further incite the already angry Republican base. This base continues to be stunningly attracted to conspiracy theories and wild allegations about all manner of things. Fauci is just one of those ongoing targets of near violent political hysteria by media (Tucker Carlson) who like to continuously stir the pot. It is difficult for me to understand how otherwise intelligent people can watch, listen and agree with his BS.

Is this clear enough for you?

 

[mahb]

I see you use the word conspiracy a lot,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, does it bother you what was called conspiracy has now been proven True ? Does it bother you a group of Dr's came out and gave a discussion based on science facts concerning the leak at Wuhan and they were shut down, their message silenced ? Does it bother you a Chinese Dr. who worked at Wuhan and became the 1st whistle blower is dead ? Does it bother you a Female Dr , who worked in Wuhan came to the US to give her message and HER message was silenced ? Does it bother you that Fauci said and testified in court that neither he nor the NIH funded a red cent to Wuhan much less gain of F(x) experiments? Do you think the NIH is in on the conspiracy against Mr Fauci, since it has now admitted it DID fund the lab and the experiments ? Just curious as to if your angry about the possible betrayal of public trust, or just angry because focus has fallen on Fauci ?

 

[cortez55403]

I see you use the word conspiracy a lot,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, does it bother you what was called conspiracy has now been proven True ? Does it bother you a group of Dr's came out and gave a discussion based on science facts concerning the leak at Wuhan and they were shut down, their message silenced ? Does it bother you a Chinese Dr. who worked at Wuhan and became the 1st whistle blower is dead ? Does it bother you a Female Dr , who worked in Wuhan came to the US to give her message and HER message was silenced ? Does it bother you that Fauci said and testified in court that neither he nor the NIH funded a red cent to Wuhan much less gain of F(x) experiments? Do you think the NIH is in on the conspiracy against Mr Fauci, since it has now admitted it DID fund the lab and the experiments ? Just curious as to if your angry about the possible betrayal of public trust, or just angry because focus has fallen on Fauci ?

None of the alleged substance of the “conspiracies“ you mention bothers me one bit. If I have any anger, it’s at the Right Wing Media that lets its drive for ratings shamelessly incite its audience and thereby further divide this country.

 

[grbcane]

Republicans and Independents both agree Fauci should resign, only the Marxist democrats think he shouldn’t. Amazing since about 90% of our news is state run Democrat media, which gives Fauci glowing press.

Poll: Majority of voters say Fauci should resign

A majority of voters said President Biden's chief medical advisor, Anthony Fauci, should resign, a new Hill-HarrisX poll finds.

thehill.com

 

[mahb]

None of the alleged substance of the “conspiracies“ you mention bothers me one bit. If I have any anger, it’s at the Right Wing Media that lets its drive for ratings shamelessly incite its audience and thereby further divide this country.

Wow you must really really be mad at CNN/msnbc/ et al liberal media who have been proved to of lied , run false stories, called and discriminated against one part of this country's citizens solely because they hold political beliefs that differ from there own, failed to report truthful stories and even events. A media that allowed groups of thugs to harass, vandalize, burn, assault, and even murder calling it all a peaceful protest. Yha they printed retractions, and apologies, AFTER they were caught (on the back page), but then again that's why their viewership is low, where only the most fervent ideologues are left viewing.