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OT Zimmerman just taken into custody up here

Zimmerman vs Hernandez would be a helluva matchup. I guess it would come down to "the draw".
 
It was probably self-defense

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What is wrong with people. You get the break of your life and in less than 2 months do something more dumb.
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Wait till the whole story comes out, the rumo is his wifes father is an ex con.



This post was edited on 9/9 3:54 PM by cane856
 
Originally posted by cane856:
Wait till the whole story comes out, the rumo is his wifes father is an ex con.




This post was edited on 9/9 3:54 PM by cane856
This is why this dope will continue to do dumb shit. Someone is always making excuses for this coward. What justification is there to put your hands on a gun during a domestic argument?

This guy is a coward plain and simple. People like him should not have guns because they do not know how to responsibly carry one.
 
Originally posted by dboy2011:


Originally posted by cane856:
Wait till the whole story comes out, the rumo is his wifes father is an ex con.






This post was edited on 9/9 3:54 PM by cane856
This is why this dope will continue to do dumb shit. Someone is always making excuses for this coward. What justification is there to put your hands on a gun during a domestic argument?

This guy is a coward plain and simple. People like him should not have guns because they do not know how to responsibly carry one.
As usual you missed the point, until the whole story comes out no one knows what happened. It a divorce and the wife and her father said he did it. That doesn't make it true. What if the father threatened him, What if he didn't do what his wife says he did. That was he has not been arrested. Don't jump to conclusions until the facts come out. No on is making excuses for him, you are innocent until proven guilty except in your court room. If he did it he should pay for it.

I think the whole family has problems.


This post was edited on 9/9 4:30 PM by cane856
 
YEP! Easiest one to call. People like him and O.J. are idiots. Just like the thread I started after he was acquitted. These people ALWAYS GET THEIRS IN THE END! Yet there are still people that just will never get it and walk around like he is some hero....smdh. Giving him a pet name even. It is so sad.
 
Haha to those that fantasized about blowing away Trayvon Martin by proxy.

Looks like your boy is going down!
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Yeah, he will eventually. He will go down like a $2.00 whore.

I look at it the same way I look at several canesport subscribers here. You don't have to do anything or worry about anything. Stupid people always check themselves.
 
Originally posted by cane856:
Originally posted by dboy2011:

Originally posted by cane856:
Wait till the whole story comes out, the rumo is his wifes father is an ex con.





This post was edited on 9/9 3:54 PM by cane856
This is why this dope will continue to do dumb shit. Someone is always making excuses for this coward. What justification is there to put your hands on a gun during a domestic argument?

This guy is a coward plain and simple. People like him should not have guns because they do not know how to responsibly carry one.
As usual you missed the point, until the whole story comes out no one knows what happened. It a divorce and the wife and her father said he did it. That doesn't make it true. What if the father threatened him, What if he didn't do what his wife says he did. That was he has not been arrested. Don't jump to conclusions until the facts come out. No on is making excuses for him, you are innocent until proven guilty except in your court room. If he did it he should pay for it.

I think the whole family has problems.


This post was edited on 9/9 4:30 PM by cane856

They haven't missed the point, or the opportunity mi amigo.

These two are classic sheep. They cried racism in the case and were more concerned with it than the tragic death of a young kid....a distant second to their agenda. When the verdict didn't go the way they hoped, they simply still couldn't pray for the young man and his family...it was still all about what they were told was more important and being "right"....

I handle race discrimination cases all the time, and sadly, no different than a criminal case, guilty parties simply do not always get what they deserve. You keep fighting, you don't fall apart and whine and cry like these two clowns.

Now, Zimmerman may be getting some "cosmic justice" or he may be just be falling apart from what must be continual hatred of him in the community....or like you said...his family just may be completely sick or dysfunctional...regardless...

It simply does nothing but expose these clowns for what they by coming on here gloating about an unrelated arrest for a domestic situation. If you dare to call it like it is...then they like to toss around the one word that truly defines who they are...racist.

UM
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Originally posted by cane856:


Originally posted by dboy2011:



Originally posted by cane856:
Wait till the whole story comes out, the rumo is his wifes father is an ex con.







This post was edited on 9/9 3:54 PM by cane856
This is why this dope will continue to do dumb shit. Someone is always making excuses for this coward. What justification is there to put your hands on a gun during a domestic argument?

This guy is a coward plain and simple. People like him should not have guns because they do not know how to responsibly carry one.
As usual you missed the point, until the whole story comes out no one knows what happened. It a divorce and the wife and her father said he did it. That doesn't make it true. What if the father threatened him, What if he didn't do what his wife says he did. That was he has not been arrested. Don't jump to conclusions until the facts come out. No on is making excuses for him, you are innocent until proven guilty except in your court room. If he did it he should pay for it.

I think the whole family has problems.




This post was edited on 9/9 4:30 PM by cane856
Hey mi amigo...I don't know where you are from but if the father threatened me then I would either leave or call the police. Now, that is just me. Jump to conclusions? Are people jumping to conclusions on poor George again? lol....Man, I couldn't make this stuff up. I wish you knew how this sounds to any sane person.

Explain to the class please how this douchebag is always the center of drama that is never his fault? This is common sense and speaks to his ability to make a decision dude. IT doesn't matter what happened to that degree. The dude is full of drama and nonsense. Don't you get that? Oh, and btw. He has a gun permit. smdh!!!

This post was edited on 9/14 10:02 PM by cdwright40
 
Originally posted by FightinIbis:



Originally posted by cane856:



Originally posted by dboy2011:




Originally posted by cane856:
Wait till the whole story comes out, the rumo is his wifes father is an ex con.








This post was edited on 9/9 3:54 PM by cane856
This is why this dope will continue to do dumb shit. Someone is always making excuses for this coward. What justification is there to put your hands on a gun during a domestic argument?

This guy is a coward plain and simple. People like him should not have guns because they do not know how to responsibly carry one.
As usual you missed the point, until the whole story comes out no one knows what happened. It a divorce and the wife and her father said he did it. That doesn't make it true. What if the father threatened him, What if he didn't do what his wife says he did. That was he has not been arrested. Don't jump to conclusions until the facts come out. No on is making excuses for him, you are innocent until proven guilty except in your court room. If he did it he should pay for it.

I think the whole family has problems.





This post was edited on 9/9 4:30 PM by cane856

They haven't missed the point, or the opportunity mi amigo.

These two are classic sheep. They cried racism in the case and were more concerned with it than the tragic death of a young kid....a distant second to their agenda. When the verdict didn't go the way they hoped, they simply still couldn't pray for the young man and his family...it was still all about what they were told was more important and being "right"....

I handle race discrimination cases all the time, and sadly, no different than a criminal case, guilty parties simply do not always get what they deserve. You keep fighting, you don't fall apart and whine and cry like these two clowns.

Now, Zimmerman may be getting some "cosmic justice" or he may be just be falling apart from what must be continual hatred of him in the community....or like you said...his family just may be completely sick or dysfunctional...regardless...

It simply does nothing but expose these clowns for what they by coming on here gloating about an unrelated arrest for a domestic situation. If you dare to call it like it is...then they like to toss around the one word that truly defines who they are...racist.

UM



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Well said. The two Al Sharpton disciples, or clowns as you call them, are chomping at the bit ready to throw their "justice" party every time Zimmerman takes a piss or a dump. I wonder if we would have seen one post from these clowns had Trayvon been white? Notice how it's the same clowns who are quick to jump on any poster that expresses adulation over Coach Golden, yet when Shannon was coaching, and even now, these clowns break open the moisturizing lotion with tissue paper or socks in hand whenever they discuss Shannon.



This post was edited on 9/15 2:30 AM by tde
 
Originally posted by FightinIbis:





Originally posted by cane856:





Originally posted by dboy2011:






Originally posted by cane856:
Wait till the whole story comes out, the rumo is his wifes father is an ex con.










This post was edited on 9/9 3:54 PM by cane856
This is why this dope will continue to do dumb shit. Someone is always making excuses for this coward. What justification is there to put your hands on a gun during a domestic argument?

This guy is a coward plain and simple. People like him should not have guns because they do not know how to responsibly carry one.
As usual you missed the point, until the whole story comes out no one knows what happened. It a divorce and the wife and her father said he did it. That doesn't make it true. What if the father threatened him, What if he didn't do what his wife says he did. That was he has not been arrested. Don't jump to conclusions until the facts come out. No on is making excuses for him, you are innocent until proven guilty except in your court room. If he did it he should pay for it.

I think the whole family has problems.







This post was edited on 9/9 4:30 PM by cane856

They haven't missed the point, or the opportunity mi amigo.

These two are classic sheep. They cried racism in the case and were more concerned with it than the tragic death of a young kid....a distant second to their agenda. When the verdict didn't go the way they hoped, they simply still couldn't pray for the young man and his family...it was still all about what they were told was more important and being "right"....

I handle race discrimination cases all the time, and sadly, no different than a criminal case, guilty parties simply do not always get what they deserve. You keep fighting, you don't fall apart and whine and cry like these two clowns.

Now, Zimmerman may be getting some "cosmic justice" or he may be just be falling apart from what must be continual hatred of him in the community....or like you said...his family just may be completely sick or dysfunctional...regardless...

It simply does nothing but expose these clowns for what they by coming on here gloating about an unrelated arrest for a domestic situation. If you dare to call it like it is...then they like to toss around the one word that truly defines who they are...racist.

UM





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Well said. The two Al Sharpton disciples, or clowns as you call them, are chomping at the bit ready to throw their "justice" party every time Zimmerman takes a piss or a dump. I wonder if we would have seen one post from these clowns had Trayvon been white? Notice how it's the same clowns who are quick to jump on any poster that expresses adulation over Coach Golden, yet when Shannon was coaching, and even now, these clowns break open the moisturizing lotion with tissue paper or socks in hand whenever they discuss Shannon.
TDE, both you and Fighting Ibis are delusional. I checked you on this before, you nor Ibis can cite not one sentence or comment where any of the black people involved in this case made this a racial issue. This case was made a racial issue strictly by white america and the fact of how white America galvanized behind Zimmerman supporting him financially and socially for no other reason than him being white. This "we just wanted justice for Zimmerman" excuse you gave as if whites have a history of not receiving justice was ridiculous and simply a smoke screen. You clowns constantly make up your own narratives in order to marginalize injustices towards black people as you consistently accuse black people of provoking the issue without any proof of what your saying whatsoever. I asked TDE specifically to give me one quote where Al, Jessie, Trayvon's Mother or Father said anything about this being a racial issue, and he danced and fumbled without ever giving me anything. I pose the same challenge to you, Ibis, since you've ignorantly claimed blacks were more concerned about racism claims than the murder of a child. Why don't you point out anything you have or can find that indicates such a ridiculous claim. Show me some statement, story, etc. that indicates the murder an innocent child being a by the way issue for black people and racism being the main focus. I'll wait for this one as I tap my fingers on my desk......How bout this, it seems that white's were more concerned about Zimmerman's "whiteness" being jeopardized than the murder of an innocent child.

The racism and white supremacy is so ingrained in some of you that you really think the B.S. your saying makes sense. Again, Trayvon's case had nothing to do with black people claiming racism vs worrying about the fact that a young boy was murdered. This sounds ignorant as hell and insults the intelligence of black people. This case has been and remains a demand for justice for an innocent young boy who was murdered for no reason other than the fact of him being profiled. And yes, he was racially profiled! Ironically Ibis, it is your comprehension, understanding, and humanity that is in question if the only message you received from all this is it being an issue of race. It shows how the mind that has been conditioned by white supremacy processes a situation that should be about humanity and the murder of a child but instead views it as black people crying about race. Because it was a black child involved, deflection and protection of white rights are more important to you than the loss of an innocent life. Coincidently, I just recently watched the documentary of the Emmit Till story and lo and behold, I'll be damn if the turn of events did not go exactly the same as the Trayvon case. It was my first time watching it and I was blown away at the mirror image of all the events that transpired. As black people demanded justice for Emmit, whites galvanized and financed the murderers' defense, accused the black folks of being the trouble makers and eventually held a kangaroo court proceeding in which the murderers were acquitted. It's people like you, Ibis and TDE, along with the others of your mind set who don't realize how transparent you are with your rhetoric about racism being some false flag issue mostly created by delusional black folks. It's you who are the delusional ones and the ones sounding absolutely ridiculous. Yeah, you're an expert in racism because I'm sure it's been a major part of your life since you were born, right? Your parents and grand parents experienced Jim Crow and fought for Civil rights so you'd know about all the intricacies of systemic racism that occurs socially and economically. Yep, racism claims are all a bunch of hogwash and poor, good ole white folk are just constantly being picked on by the bullying black folks. Smdh! I mean, for real man? Are you serious with this sh*t?

I say again, the wheels of universal justice continues to turn. Zimmerman is already making his supporters look like fools and the medical examiner is now speaking out about how the prosecution intentionally threw the case (i.e. Kangaroo court like I said). With racism, selfishness, greed, murderous conquest seeking more power & control over other countries, the United Snakes of Amerikkka continues on a dangerous journey that will ultimately end in self destruction. Racism is one of the evils that power this twisted machine.


This post was edited on 9/15 6:22 PM by Azar
 
Originally posted by Azar
Originally posted by FightinIbis:



Originally posted by cane856:



Originally posted by dboy2011:




Originally posted by cane856:
Wait till the whole story comes out, the rumo is his wifes father is an ex con.








This post was edited on 9/9 3:54 PM by cane856
This is why this dope will continue to do dumb shit. Someone is always making excuses for this coward. What justification is there to put your hands on a gun during a domestic argument?

This guy is a coward plain and simple. People like him should not have guns because they do not know how to responsibly carry one.
As usual you missed the point, until the whole story comes out no one knows what happened. It a divorce and the wife and her father said he did it. That doesn't make it true. What if the father threatened him, What if he didn't do what his wife says he did. That was he has not been arrested. Don't jump to conclusions until the facts come out. No on is making excuses for him, you are innocent until proven guilty except in your court room. If he did it he should pay for it.

I think the whole family has problems.





This post was edited on 9/9 4:30 PM by cane856

They haven't missed the point, or the opportunity mi amigo.

These two are classic sheep. They cried racism in the case and were more concerned with it than the tragic death of a young kid....a distant second to their agenda. When the verdict didn't go the way they hoped, they simply still couldn't pray for the young man and his family...it was still all about what they were told was more important and being "right"....

I handle race discrimination cases all the time, and sadly, no different than a criminal case, guilty parties simply do not always get what they deserve. You keep fighting, you don't fall apart and whine and cry like these two clowns.

Now, Zimmerman may be getting some "cosmic justice" or he may be just be falling apart from what must be continual hatred of him in the community....or like you said...his family just may be completely sick or dysfunctional...regardless...

It simply does nothing but expose these clowns for what they by coming on here gloating about an unrelated arrest for a domestic situation. If you dare to call it like it is...then they like to toss around the one word that truly defines who they are...racist.

UM



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Well said. The two Al Sharpton disciples, or clowns as you call them, are chomping at the bit ready to throw their "justice" party every time Zimmerman takes a piss or a dump. I wonder if we would have seen one post from these clowns had Trayvon been white? Notice how it's the same clowns who are quick to jump on any poster that expresses adulation over Coach Golden, yet when Shannon was coaching, and even now, these clowns break open the moisturizing lotion with tissue paper or socks in hand whenever they discuss Shannon.
TDE, both you and Fighting Ibis are delusional. I checked you on this before, you nor Ibis can cite not one sentence or comment where any of the black people involved in this case made this a racial issue. This cased was made a racial issue strictly by white america and the fact of how white America galvanized behind Zimmerman supporting him financially and socially for no other reason that him being white. This "we just wanted justice for Zimmerman" excuse you gave as if whites have a history of not receiving justice was ridiculous and simply a smoke screen. You clowns constantly make up your own narratives in order to marginalize injustices towards black people as you consistently accuse black people of provoking the issue without any proof of what your saying whatsoever. I asked TDE specifically to give me one quote where Al, Jessie, Trayvon's Mother or Father said anything about this being a racial issue, and he danced and fumbled without ever giving me anything. I pose the same challenge, Ibis, since you've ignorantly claimed black were more concerned about racism claims than the murder of a child. Why don't you point out anything you have or can find that indicates such a ridiculous claim. Show me some statement, story, etc. that indicates the murder being a by the way issue for black people and racism being the main focus. I'll wait for this one as I tap my fingers on my desk......How bout this, it seems that white's were more concerned about Zimmerman's "whiteness" being jeopardized than the murder of an innocent child.

The racism and white supremacy is so ingrained in some of you that you really think the B.S. your saying makes sense. Again, Trayvon's case had nothing to do with black people claiming racism and not worrying about the fact that a young boy was murdered. This sounds ignorant as hell and insults the intelligence of black people. This case has been and remains a demand for justice for an innocent young boy who was murdered for no reason other than the fact of him being profiled. And yes, he was racially profiled! Ironically Ibis, it is your comprehension, understanding, and humanity that is in question if the only message you received from all this is it being an issue of race. It shows how the mind that has been conditioned by white supremacy processes a situation that should be about humanity and the murder of a child but instead views it as black people crying about race. Because it was a black child involved, deflection and protection white rights are more important to you than the loss of an innocent life. Coincidently, I just recently watched the documentary of the Emmit Till story and lo and behold, I'll be damn if the turn of events did not go exactly the same at the Trayvon case. It was my first time watching it and I was blown away at the mirror image of all the events that transpired. As black people demanded justice for Emit, whites galvanized and financed the murder's defense, accused the black folks of being the trouble makers and eventually held a kangaroo court proceeding in which the murderers were acquitted. It's people like you, Ibis and TDE, along with the others of your mind set who don't realize how transparent you are with your rhetoric about racism being some false flag issue mostly created by delusional black folks. It's you who are the delusional ones and the ones sounding absolutely ridiculous. Yeah, you're an expert in racism because I'm sure it's been a major part of your life since you were born right? Your parents and grand parents experienced Jim Crow and fought for Civil rights so you'd know about all the intricacies of systemic racism that occurs socially and economically. Yep, racism claims are all a bunch of hogwash and poor, good ole white folk are just constantly being picked on by the bullying black folks. Smdh! I mean, for real man? Are you serious with this sh*t?

I say again, wheels of universal justice continues to turn. Zimmerman is already making his supporters look like fools and the medical examiner is now speaking out about how the prosecution intentionally threw the case (i.e. Kangaroo court like I said). With racism, selfishness, greed, murderous conquest seeking more power & control over other countries, the United Snakes of Amerikkka continues on a dangerous journey that will ultimately end in self destruction. Racism is one of the evils that power this twisted machine.


This post was edited on 9/15 12:35 PM by Azar

I dont always agree but you hit this one out of the park.

People jump to an assumption about race because of thier own needs.

To me this is about choices....not race. Just because the parties are different races, that isnt at the core of what we know as fact.

The issue isnt anymore him being black than Nicole Simpson being white. The facts illustrate bad judgement. OJ driving down the road in a bronco with AC wirh a lot if cash for example. Poor judgement. I dont feel any need to side with him because he is black. People rush to that conclusion just like with zimmerman.

People that may agree with Sharpton are not about race for that reason. Al Sharpton has an opinion like we all do. Some i agree with and others i dont. So, people get scared and defensive when it isnt called for. They want to side with thier race, right or wrong because they assume everyone is doing that....ummm no. Everyone is not doing that.

Here is the thing for me. You dont need to pursue anyone with a gun when you are asked not to by 911. No he doesnt have to listen....but for me why wouldnt he? Again! A poor decision. His color or Trayvons has nothing to do with it.

You made poor decisions.
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Originally posted by Azar:





Originally posted by FightinIbis:









Originally posted by cane856:









Originally posted by dboy2011:










Originally posted by cane856:
Wait till the whole story comes out, the rumo is his wifes father is an ex con.














This post was edited on 9/9 3:54 PM by cane856
This is why this dope will continue to do dumb shit. Someone is always making excuses for this coward. What justification is there to put your hands on a gun during a domestic argument?

This guy is a coward plain and simple. People like him should not have guns because they do not know how to responsibly carry one.
As usual you missed the point, until the whole story comes out no one knows what happened. It a divorce and the wife and her father said he did it. That doesn't make it true. What if the father threatened him, What if he didn't do what his wife says he did. That was he has not been arrested. Don't jump to conclusions until the facts come out. No on is making excuses for him, you are innocent until proven guilty except in your court room. If he did it he should pay for it.

I think the whole family has problems.











This post was edited on 9/9 4:30 PM by cane856

They haven't missed the point, or the opportunity mi amigo.

These two are classic sheep. They cried racism in the case and were more concerned with it than the tragic death of a young kid....a distant second to their agenda. When the verdict didn't go the way they hoped, they simply still couldn't pray for the young man and his family...it was still all about what they were told was more important and being "right"....

I handle race discrimination cases all the time, and sadly, no different than a criminal case, guilty parties simply do not always get what they deserve. You keep fighting, you don't fall apart and whine and cry like these two clowns.

Now, Zimmerman may be getting some "cosmic justice" or he may be just be falling apart from what must be continual hatred of him in the community....or like you said...his family just may be completely sick or dysfunctional...regardless...

It simply does nothing but expose these clowns for what they by coming on here gloating about an unrelated arrest for a domestic situation. If you dare to call it like it is...then they like to toss around the one word that truly defines who they are...racist.

UM









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Well said. The two Al Sharpton disciples, or clowns as you call them, are chomping at the bit ready to throw their "justice" party every time Zimmerman takes a piss or a dump. I wonder if we would have seen one post from these clowns had Trayvon been white? Notice how it's the same clowns who are quick to jump on any poster that expresses adulation over Coach Golden, yet when Shannon was coaching, and even now, these clowns break open the moisturizing lotion with tissue paper or socks in hand whenever they discuss Shannon.
TDE, both you and Fighting Ibis are delusional. I checked you on this before, you nor Ibis can cite not one sentence or comment where any of the black people involved in this case made this a racial issue. This case was made a racial issue strictly by white america and the fact of how white America galvanized behind Zimmerman supporting him financially and socially for no other reason than him being white. This "we just wanted justice for Zimmerman" excuse you gave as if whites have a history of not receiving justice was ridiculous and simply a smoke screen. You clowns constantly make up your own narratives in order to marginalize injustices towards black people as you consistently accuse black people of provoking the issue without any proof of what your saying whatsoever. I asked TDE specifically to give me one quote where Al, Jessie, Trayvon's Mother or Father said anything about this being a racial issue, and he danced and fumbled without ever giving me anything. I pose the same challenge to you, Ibis, since you've ignorantly claimed blacks were more concerned about racism claims than the murder of a child. Why don't you point out anything you have or can find that indicates such a ridiculous claim. Show me some statement, story, etc. that indicates the murder an innocent child being a by the way issue for black people and racism being the main focus. I'll wait for this one as I tap my fingers on my desk......How bout this, it seems that white's were more concerned about Zimmerman's "whiteness" being jeopardized than the murder of an innocent child.

The racism and white supremacy is so ingrained in some of you that you really think the B.S. your saying makes sense. Again, Trayvon's case had nothing to do with black people claiming racism vs worrying about the fact that a young boy was murdered. This sounds ignorant as hell and insults the intelligence of black people. This case has been and remains a demand for justice for an innocent young boy who was murdered for no reason other than the fact of him being profiled. And yes, he was racially profiled! Ironically Ibis, it is your comprehension, understanding, and humanity that is in question if the only message you received from all this is it being an issue of race. It shows how the mind that has been conditioned by white supremacy processes a situation that should be about humanity and the murder of a child but instead views it as black people crying about race. Because it was a black child involved, deflection and protection of white rights are more important to you than the loss of an innocent life. Coincidently, I just recently watched the documentary of the Emmit Till story and lo and behold, I'll be damn if the turn of events did not go exactly the same as the Trayvon case. It was my first time watching it and I was blown away at the mirror image of all the events that transpired. As black people demanded justice for Emmit, whites galvanized and financed the murderers' defense, accused the black folks of being the trouble makers and eventually held a kangaroo court proceeding in which the murderers were acquitted. It's people like you, Ibis and TDE, along with the others of your mind set who don't realize how transparent you are with your rhetoric about racism being some false flag issue mostly created by delusional black folks. It's you who are the delusional ones and the ones sounding absolutely ridiculous. Yeah, you're an expert in racism because I'm sure it's been a major part of your life since you were born, right? Your parents and grand parents experienced Jim Crow and fought for Civil rights so you'd know about all the intricacies of systemic racism that occurs socially and economically. Yep, racism claims are all a bunch of hogwash and poor, good ole white folk are just constantly being picked on by the bullying black folks. Smdh! I mean, for real man? Are you serious with this sh*t?

I say again, the wheels of universal justice continues to turn. Zimmerman is already making his supporters look like fools and the medical examiner is now speaking out about how the prosecution intentionally threw the case (i.e. Kangaroo court like I said). With racism, selfishness, greed, murderous conquest seeking more power & control over other countries, the United Snakes of Amerikkka continues on a dangerous journey that will ultimately end in self destruction. Racism is one of the evils that power this twisted machine.





This post was edited on 9/15 6:22 PM by Azar

So I danced and fumbled when you asked me to point out remarks made by Jesse and Al which show that they made the Martin case about race? Ask and you shall receive. I already gave you one quote from Jesse in a prior post, but here are some other doozies by Jackson. Based on the outcome of the Martin trial and stand your ground laws Jackson said that Florida is the "Selma of our time" and that Florida is an "Apartheid State." Also, because the present Florida Governor wont change the stand your ground laws, Jackson compared the Florida Governor's stance to that of the former Governor of Alabama in the 1960s who blocked two black kids from attending the University of Alabama because he favored segregation. Nah, no racial overtones in those comments.

As for Sharpton, he hasn't made outlandish statements like Jackson, but it doesn't take an expert on race relations to know that Sharpton's urging of the DOJ to press civil rights charges against Zimmerman is based on race since the DOJ can only bring an action against Zimmerman if race was the motivating factor in the shooting. Sharpton has taken this stance even though the FBI spent a year and tons of man power investigating whether race was a motivating factor and found nothing.

If Al and Jessie are just seekers of justice regardless of color, where were Al and Jesse when Casey Anthony was found not guilty? Where were the nationwide protests? So lets not claim that the outrage expressed by Jesse, Al and many communities in the Trayvon Martin case were solely based on the fact that Martin was an unarmed teenager and had nothing to do with the color of his skin.

As for the parents of Trayvon Martin, I never indicated or implied that they made racial statements.





This post was edited on 9/16 5:23 AM by tde
 
Ok, I'll give you that about Jessie. See how easy it is to admit when you're wrong about something. Try it once in awhile Mr. Whiteman. However, as I think back it was Al who I asked you about the last time when you fumbled and mumbled, then you invoked Jessie when you couldn't find anything on Al. That's how it went, remember that? But lets be clear about one thing, white people investigating whether race was involved in an incident is about as much comedy as Dave Chappelle. The J. Edgar Hoover cointelpro FBI investigating race issues, imagine that. Lmao! Are you familiar with cointelpro used against black people during the 60's and 70's, possibly still being used? Just curious. Thats kinda like the police investigating police brutality, the biggest joke there is. Regardless of your dislike for Al and Jessie, who btw I'm also not a fan of for reasons much different from yours, your white denial is somehow preventing you from seeing the obvious. This case, indeed, has a racial aspect to it. A young black man was racially profiled, what part about that don't you get? No, GZ did not shoot TM klan style just because he was black but he did profile and chase him because he was black or forgive me, I forgot to use the code word, "suspicious" which ultimately led to his murder. You can add all the fluff you want and attempt to hide the real issue of why GZ profiled and chased Trayvon but you're only fooling yourself.

Again, here's where your white man's mind limits you from understanding the plight of others, namely black folks. Do you understand that there is a history, I repeat, a history of unarmed innocent black men/boys getting killed by whites and the white killer not getting any punishment. Let me repeat the last part again, "unarmed innocent black men/boys getting killed by whites and whites not getting punished for it." Why don't you try profiling and beating up a gay person now considering the history of attacks on gays and see how fast your azz ends up on the national news and being demonized by the LGBT community and others. You know why? Because there's a history of that being done and ain't no way in hell you're going to convince them that it was just a random act. Same with black folks who have a much, much, much longer history of violent acts being perpetrated against us for no reason. Yet, you expect the black community not to make any association after seeing an innocent kid get murdered and the murderer not even being arrested for 30 days? We're suppose to be satisfied with the kangaroo court proceeding that take place in the same little racist town where he's eventually acquitted. You think we're suppose to be cool with people gunning us and our children down, and getting away with no punishment? You really think that suppose to sit well with us because the "law" or the court said it was ok? The same court system that has been notoriously unjust towards black people? Yeah, right!


This post was edited on 9/17 11:49 AM by Azar
 
Azar unfortunately they could care less about young black youths dying in the manner upon which you are referring. It is just a sad truth. They don't care and don't want to care and think none of us should care.

Well, I care very much. I have been Trayvon Martin. I have a son that could be Trayvon Martin. None of them can releate in the way we do so there is a real disconnect. OH, and when I say we I am not just referring to people of color. I am referring to people of substance. They just don't have the same needs and goals. They have a need to take sides as opposed to understanding what is right and what is wrong. Then fixing it.

These are the same people that think other country's mass destroying their own is just their own business. They have convinced themselves that if something doesn't affect them, it just isn't worth their time.
This post was edited on 9/16 11:17 PM by cdwright40
 
Originally posted by cdwright40:

Azar unfortunately they could care less about young black youths dying in the manner upon which you are referring. It is just a sad truth. They don't care and don't want to care and think none of us should care.

Well, I care very much. I have been Trayvon Martin. I have a son that could be Trayvon Martin. None of them can releate in the way we do so there is a real disconnect. OH, and when I say we I am not just referring to people of color. I am referring to people of substance. They just don't have the same needs and goals. They have a need to take sides as opposed to understanding what is right and what is wrong. Then fixing it.

These are the same people that think other country's mass destroying their own is just their own business. They have convinced themselves that if something doesn't affect them, it just isn't worth their time.

This post was edited on 9/16 11:17 PM by cdwright40

This post makes a helluva lot more sense than you previous post and for the record, I agree with you on some things and disagree with you on some, also. But I think you need to stop the apologetic nonsense about this case having nothing to do with race. This case has a lot to do with race. Although it's not strictly about race, it definitely has an undeniable racial aspect involved. Do you honestly believe the fact that Trayvon was a young black kid had nothing to do with GZ following him?

It's also interesting to see that you understand there being a disconnect among them when it comes to this young child's life being taken and black life in general. The devaluation of black life is a recurring theme in this country and continues to be an ugly part of this society. Yet, whenever a situation like this occurs involving a white person getting off scot-free after killing a black person, it's always about black people whining about race vs them having any consideration of the life that was lost or precedent of no punishment for killing black people being set. Considering you apparently have somewhat of an understanding of this dynamic, why are you wasting your time rehashing the details of this case in order to explain away the racial aspect? GZ is coward azz dude who profiled TM based on a racist stereotypical perception he held. Had it been a young white kid, he'd never have step foot out of his car, called the police, or had any thoughts about him looking "suspicious". You seem really worried about these dudes placing their patented racist label on you, it seems to be the popular thing to do now when black people talk about race related issues. Somehow, mentioning anything about slavery, black history, or any injustice involving racism now makes black people racist according to the new white definition of racist. I'm sure it'll be written this way in the dictionary soon, just keep your eyes open. Lol.



TDE and Ibis, I wonder how fair you'd think it was if all of the so-called 911 terrorist were returned to Saudi or Iraq to face trial in a courtroom filled with Saudis who in turn acquitted them all charges? I wonder how you'd feel if this same scenario where white's were being blown up by middle easterners kept reoccurring and the perps were consitstently acquitted based on court room antics(I call it) and the way their laws are structured? Think you'd sit back quietly and say to yourselves, "well they went through the court system and it's their law"?
 
Originally posted by Azar:


Originally posted by cdwright40:

Azar unfortunately they could care less about young black youths dying in the manner upon which you are referring. It is just a sad truth. They don't care and don't want to care and think none of us should care.

Well, I care very much. I have been Trayvon Martin. I have a son that could be Trayvon Martin. None of them can releate in the way we do so there is a real disconnect. OH, and when I say we I am not just referring to people of color. I am referring to people of substance. They just don't have the same needs and goals. They have a need to take sides as opposed to understanding what is right and what is wrong. Then fixing it.

These are the same people that think other country's mass destroying their own is just their own business. They have convinced themselves that if something doesn't affect them, it just isn't worth their time.



This post was edited on 9/16 11:17 PM by cdwright40



This post makes a helluva lot more sense than you previous post and for the record, I agree with you on some things and disagree with you on some, also. But I think you need to stop the apologetic nonsense about this case having nothing to do with race. This case has a lot to do with race. Although it's not strictly about race, it definitely has an undeniable racial aspect involved. Do you honestly believe the fact that Trayvon was a young black kid had nothing to do with GZ following him?

It's also interesting to see that you understand there being a disconnect among them when it comes to this young child's life being taken and black life in general. The devaluation of black life is a recurring theme in this country and continues to be an ugly part of this society. Yet, whenever a situation like this occurs involving a white person getting off scot-free after killing a black person, it's always about black people whining about race vs them having any consideration of the life that was lost or precedent of no punishment for killing black people being set. Considering you apparently have somewhat of an understanding of this dynamic, why are you wasting your time rehashing the details of this case in order to explain away the racial aspect? GZ is coward azz dude who profiled TM based on a racist stereotypical perception he held. Had it been a young white kid, he'd never have step foot out of his car, called the police, or had any thoughts about him looking "suspicious". You seem really worried about these dudes placing their patented racist label on you, it seems to be the popular thing to do now when black people talk about race related issues. Somehow, mentioning anything about slavery, black history, or any injustice involving racism now makes black people racist according to the new white definition of racist. I'm sure it'll be written this way in the dictionary soon, just keep your eyes open. Lol.





TDE and Ibis, I wonder how fair you'd think it was if all of the so-called 911 terrorist were returned to Saudi or Iraq to face trial in a courtroom filled with Saudis who in turn acquitted them all charges? I wonder how you'd feel if this same scenario where white's were being blown up by middle easterners kept reoccurring and the perps were consitstently acquitted based on court room antics(I call it) and the way their laws are structured? Think you'd sit back quietly and say to yourselves, "well they went through the court system and it's their law"?


In addressing your previous post about Sharpton, you were right in that you had previously asked me for specific comments from Sharpton and in turn I gave you comments from Jackson.


As for your last paragraph in the above post, you're assuming that that jury found Zimmerman not guilty in part because Martin was black and that the jury didn't weigh the evidence. You have also made the assumption that the Zimmerman jury feels the same way about blacks the way Saudis and Iraqis feel about Americans. Are you saying that if there were black jurors that they would have been more impartial than the white jurors when it comes to weighing evidence? The goal is to find an impartial jury, not a jury that is going to vote based on skin color. What facts do you have to support your implication that race affected the jury's decision?

This post was edited on 9/17 10:55 PM by tde
 
Originally posted by Azar:


Originally posted by cdwright40:

Azar unfortunately they could care less about young black youths dying in the manner upon which you are referring. It is just a sad truth. They don't care and don't want to care and think none of us should care.

Well, I care very much. I have been Trayvon Martin. I have a son that could be Trayvon Martin. None of them can releate in the way we do so there is a real disconnect. OH, and when I say we I am not just referring to people of color. I am referring to people of substance. They just don't have the same needs and goals. They have a need to take sides as opposed to understanding what is right and what is wrong. Then fixing it.

These are the same people that think other country's mass destroying their own is just their own business. They have convinced themselves that if something doesn't affect them, it just isn't worth their time.



This post was edited on 9/16 11:17 PM by cdwright40



This post makes a helluva lot more sense than you previous post and for the record, I agree with you on some things and disagree with you on some, also. But I think you need to stop the apologetic nonsense about this case having nothing to do with race. This case has a lot to do with race. Although it's not strictly about race, it definitely has an undeniable racial aspect involved. Do you honestly believe the fact that Trayvon was a young black kid had nothing to do with GZ following him?

It's also interesting to see that you understand there being a disconnect among them when it comes to this young child's life being taken and black life in general. The devaluation of black life is a recurring theme in this country and continues to be an ugly part of this society. Yet, whenever a situation like this occurs involving a white person getting off scot-free after killing a black person, it's always about black people whining about race vs them having any consideration of the life that was lost or precedent of no punishment for killing black people being set. Considering you apparently have somewhat of an understanding of this dynamic, why are you wasting your time rehashing the details of this case in order to explain away the racial aspect? GZ is coward azz dude who profiled TM based on a racist stereotypical perception he held. Had it been a young white kid, he'd never have step foot out of his car, called the police, or had any thoughts about him looking "suspicious". You seem really worried about these dudes placing their patented racist label on you, it seems to be the popular thing to do now when black people talk about race related issues. Somehow, mentioning anything about slavery, black history, or any injustice involving racism now makes black people racist according to the new white definition of racist. I'm sure it'll be written this way in the dictionary soon, just keep your eyes open. Lol.





TDE and Ibis, I wonder how fair you'd think it was if all of the so-called 911 terrorist were returned to Saudi or Iraq to face trial in a courtroom filled with Saudis who in turn acquitted them all charges? I wonder how you'd feel if this same scenario where white's were being blown up by middle easterners kept reoccurring and the perps were consitstently acquitted based on court room antics(I call it) and the way their laws are structured? Think you'd sit back quietly and say to yourselves, "well they went through the court system and it's their law"?
Here is what you have to understand. First and foremost. You have to have the ability to separate opinion from fact. Which post are you referring to. The post of my opinion or my post of the facts. Because when you confuse the two you are asking for deserved trouble. Don't fall into that trap of thinking you know the facts when you don't know them.

My opinion is this guy George Zimmerman is a douchebag the probably followed this kid because he is black. That has nothing to do with what the facts are. The fact is nobody knows other than who was there what the motives were. Everything else is deductive logic. Just because we can say we believe George Zimmerman had racist motives doesn't make it a fact. That is what his defenders are using and rightfully so. None of us know this. I know he followed someone after being asked not to follow. I know there were several poor decisions. That doesn't mean anything other than the GZ is a douchebag. Being a douche isn't against the law. There would be very few members here if it were.

I have an opinion, You have one. Everyone has one,. None of them are facts as to what happened that night in actuality. So, while I believe GZ motives may have to do with race, that doesn't make this entire case about race for me because it isn't a fact.

I have an opinion that O.J. Killed his wife and that young man. That doesn't make it a fact. That is why people like O.J. and Zimmerman were acquitted. The evidence that is admissible determines the facts for a jury and there wasn't enough admissible evidence. There was reasonable doubt. Therefore an acquittal.

Now only a complete moron would celebrate a acquittal with a young man dead and I don't care what color he is. Nobody here speaks for me. I have nothing to prove to any of you here. For me, it is tragic if the young man is white just like it is tragic if he is black. It is tragic period.

I have no problem with people like Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson. They are a needed voice but again these are human beings. That doesn't make them always right anymore than it makes anyone else always right. I think they help a lot of people without a voice have a voice.


This post was edited on 9/17 9:28 PM by cdwright40
 
TDE,

What I'm saying is that black juror would've had more of a human connection with the murdered child than the white jurors. It definitely matters when an all or predominantly white jury presides over a case of this nature and many times it influences the outcome. As much as you'd like to believe that cases are ruled 100% of the time based on the letter of the law, I'd have to say you're crazy to believe that. Personal opinions, beliefs, views, etc. can and have been used in many decisions throughout the course of history. This is why the vilification tactic is often used as they did against TM to project an image in the jurors' minds. Nothing in TM's past had anything to do with the facts of this case but they successfully conjured up as much negativity as possible. White juries have acquitted white defendants of murder against blacks countless times throughout history even in the cases where they were obviously guilty, this case is no different.

Our lives are not viewed with the same importance in court rooms. I do believe that with an all black jury coupled with a prosecutor who really wanted a conviction there would've been a much greater chance of GZ being convicted. It would have been a different proceeding if you had jurors who could make the connection to TM being their kid which I don't believe those jurors did. It's not hard to prove black life in America is not as valued the same as white life, I just saw someone quoting a stat on the frequency of white getting off for killing black people vs the opposite and it's glaringly disproportionate although I don't remember the exact no.

Regarding your last comment about my assumption of how the GZ jurors feel about blacks, although my analogy was not meant to make the assumption you stated, I assure you there's still an abundance of whites in this country who feel just as strongly about blacks as the Iraqis feel about Americans. However, my analogy was more of an attempt to provide you with an angle you could possibly relate and possibly give you an idea of what black people have experienced as a constant in the country courtesy of the criminal injustice system.

The tricky part about racism, especially this new stealthy version that has come about since its no longer politically correct to be overtly racist, is the fact that it's hard to prove. Ya'll are good at it now, anything short of saying the N-word it becomes a matter of opinion and very hard to prove. Its basically as CD said although I don't quite agree with his post, it becomes opinion vs opinion. But let me tell you something, most of us have dealt with racism all of our lives and our senses are pretty damn keen when it comes to identifying it. White folks who conduct themselves in racist manners in a given social or business setting may not think we notice it but trust me, we do. There just may be the slightest nuance in their actions, things that we of course could not use to prove to other white people especially that the particular individual is racist but we can tell for the most part. I'm not going to be arrogant and say we're on point every single time but we are right more often than not. We are definitely right more often than whites think we are. My point, however, is that today's systemic and social racism is often hard to prove because its no longer accompanied by derogatory language as in the past. It's executed in the form of coded language or on some other fabricated basis. Regarding Zimmerman and his crime having a racial basis, racial profiling is a statistically proven issue in this country, GZ has a chronic history of calling the cops to report black men, he used that code word of "suspicious" looking to descibe a kid who in actuality simply looked like your average black kid walking home when viewed through unbiased eyes, and regardless of what the police claims are about the 911 recordings I heard him call the kid a F'n coon. So your court and FBI findings are all BS to me and most of Black America who saw how this went down. It was a criminal act motivated by racial profiling.




This post was edited on 9/19 2:55 PM by Azar
 
Originally posted by cdwright40:

Originally posted by Azar:


Originally posted by cdwright40:

Azar unfortunately they could care less about young black youths dying in the manner upon which you are referring. It is just a sad truth. They don't care and don't want to care and think none of us should care.

Well, I care very much. I have been Trayvon Martin. I have a son that could be Trayvon Martin. None of them can releate in the way we do so there is a real disconnect. OH, and when I say we I am not just referring to people of color. I am referring to people of substance. They just don't have the same needs and goals. They have a need to take sides as opposed to understanding what is right and what is wrong. Then fixing it.

These are the same people that think other country's mass destroying their own is just their own business. They have convinced themselves that if something doesn't affect them, it just isn't worth their time.



This post was edited on 9/16 11:17 PM by cdwright40



This post makes a helluva lot more sense than you previous post and for the record, I agree with you on some things and disagree with you on some, also. But I think you need to stop the apologetic nonsense about this case having nothing to do with race. This case has a lot to do with race. Although it's not strictly about race, it definitely has an undeniable racial aspect involved. Do you honestly believe the fact that Trayvon was a young black kid had nothing to do with GZ following him?

It's also interesting to see that you understand there being a disconnect among them when it comes to this young child's life being taken and black life in general. The devaluation of black life is a recurring theme in this country and continues to be an ugly part of this society. Yet, whenever a situation like this occurs involving a white person getting off scot-free after killing a black person, it's always about black people whining about race vs them having any consideration of the life that was lost or precedent of no punishment for killing black people being set. Considering you apparently have somewhat of an understanding of this dynamic, why are you wasting your time rehashing the details of this case in order to explain away the racial aspect? GZ is coward azz dude who profiled TM based on a racist stereotypical perception he held. Had it been a young white kid, he'd never have step foot out of his car, called the police, or had any thoughts about him looking "suspicious". You seem really worried about these dudes placing their patented racist label on you, it seems to be the popular thing to do now when black people talk about race related issues. Somehow, mentioning anything about slavery, black history, or any injustice involving racism now makes black people racist according to the new white definition of racist. I'm sure it'll be written this way in the dictionary soon, just keep your eyes open. Lol.



TDE and Ibis, I wonder how fair you'd think it was if all of the so-called 911 terrorist were returned to Saudi or Iraq to face trial in a courtroom filled with Saudis who in turn acquitted them all charges? I wonder how you'd feel if this same scenario where white's were being blown up by middle easterners kept reoccurring and the perps were consitstently acquitted based on court room antics(I call it) and the way their laws are structured? Think you'd sit back quietly and say to yourselves, "well they went through the court system and it's their law"?
Here is what you have to understand. First and foremost. You have to have the ability to separate opinion from fact. Which post are you referring to. The post of my opinion or my post of the facts. Because when you confuse the two you are asking for deserved trouble. Don't fall into that trap of thinking you know the facts when you don't know them.

My opinion is this guy George Zimmerman is a douchebag the probably followed this kid because he is black. That has nothing to do with what the facts are. The fact is nobody knows other than who was there what the motives were. Everything else is deductive logic. Just because we can say we believe George Zimmerman had racist motives doesn't make it a fact. That is what his defenders are using and rightfully so. None of us know this. I know he followed someone after being asked not to follow. I know there were several poor decisions. That doesn't mean anything other than the GZ is a douchebag. Being a douche isn't against the law. There would be very few members here if it were.

I have an opinion, You have one. Everyone has one,. None of them are facts as to what happened that night in actuality. So, while I believe GZ motives may have to do with race, that doesn't make this entire case about race for me because it isn't a fact.

I have an opinion that O.J. Killed his wife and that young man. That doesn't make it a fact. That is why people like O.J. and Zimmerman were acquitted. The evidence that is admissible determines the facts for a jury and there wasn't enough admissible evidence. There was reasonable doubt. Therefore an acquittal.

Now only a complete moron would celebrate a acquittal with a young man dead and I don't care what color he is. Nobody here speaks for me. I have nothing to prove to any of you here. For me, it is tragic if the young man is white just like it is tragic if he is black. It is tragic period.

I have no problem with people like Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson. They are a needed voice but again these are human beings. That doesn't make them always right anymore than it makes anyone else always right. I think they help a lot of people without a voice have a voice.



This post was edited on 9/17 9:28 PM by cdwright40
CD, stop putting words in my mouth. I never said this entire case was about race. No one is claiming such. I said you were trying to explain away the racial profiling aspect. There are enough indicators to say that TM was racially profiled. Sure, it's all opinion but we form our opinions based on the circumstances and past knowledge/experiences. GZ def. fits the bill of a racial profiler. Yes, of course the it would be a tragedy no matter the color but the fact is this does not happen to white kids. It's only happening to our kids and the perps continue to get set free and this is the problem. Don't quite understand where you're attempting to go with this???

Al and Jessie are both charlatans, they no more care about the black community and black issues than the Klan. This is about money and notoriety for them. However, I will agree that their notoriety is of value when it comes to cases of this nature. But don't get it twisted, their purpose is more about themselves than the case. You can take that to the bank!
 
Originally posted by Azar


Originally posted by cdwright40:

Originally posted by Azar:


Originally posted by cdwright40:

Azar unfortunately they could care less about young black youths dying in the manner upon which you are referring. It is just a sad truth. They don't care and don't want to care and think none of us should care.

Well, I care very much. I have been Trayvon Martin. I have a son that could be Trayvon Martin. None of them can releate in the way we do so there is a real disconnect. OH, and when I say we I am not just referring to people of color. I am referring to people of substance. They just don't have the same needs and goals. They have a need to take sides as opposed to understanding what is right and what is wrong. Then fixing it.

These are the same people that think other country's mass destroying their own is just their own business. They have convinced themselves that if something doesn't affect them, it just isn't worth their time.



This post was edited on 9/16 11:17 PM by cdwright40



This post makes a helluva lot more sense than you previous post and for the record, I agree with you on some things and disagree with you on some, also. But I think you need to stop the apologetic nonsense about this case having nothing to do with race. This case has a lot to do with race. Although it's not strictly about race, it definitely has an undeniable racial aspect involved. Do you honestly believe the fact that Trayvon was a young black kid had nothing to do with GZ following him?

It's also interesting to see that you understand there being a disconnect among them when it comes to this young child's life being taken and black life in general. The devaluation of black life is a recurring theme in this country and continues to be an ugly part of this society. Yet, whenever a situation like this occurs involving a white person getting off scot-free after killing a black person, it's always about black people whining about race vs them having any consideration of the life that was lost or precedent of no punishment for killing black people being set. Considering you apparently have somewhat of an understanding of this dynamic, why are you wasting your time rehashing the details of this case in order to explain away the racial aspect? GZ is coward azz dude who profiled TM based on a racist stereotypical perception he held. Had it been a young white kid, he'd never have step foot out of his car, called the police, or had any thoughts about him looking "suspicious". You seem really worried about these dudes placing their patented racist label on you, it seems to be the popular thing to do now when black people talk about race related issues. Somehow, mentioning anything about slavery, black history, or any injustice involving racism now makes black people racist according to the new white definition of racist. I'm sure it'll be written this way in the dictionary soon, just keep your eyes open. Lol.



TDE and Ibis, I wonder how fair you'd think it was if all of the so-called 911 terrorist were returned to Saudi or Iraq to face trial in a courtroom filled with Saudis who in turn acquitted them all charges? I wonder how you'd feel if this same scenario where white's were being blown up by middle easterners kept reoccurring and the perps were consitstently acquitted based on court room antics(I call it) and the way their laws are structured? Think you'd sit back quietly and say to yourselves, "well they went through the court system and it's their law"?
Here is what you have to understand. First and foremost. You have to have the ability to separate opinion from fact. Which post are you referring to. The post of my opinion or my post of the facts. Because when you confuse the two you are asking for deserved trouble. Don't fall into that trap of thinking you know the facts when you don't know them.

My opinion is this guy George Zimmerman is a douchebag the probably followed this kid because he is black. That has nothing to do with what the facts are. The fact is nobody knows other than who was there what the motives were. Everything else is deductive logic. Just because we can say we believe George Zimmerman had racist motives doesn't make it a fact. That is what his defenders are using and rightfully so. None of us know this. I know he followed someone after being asked not to follow. I know there were several poor decisions. That doesn't mean anything other than the GZ is a douchebag. Being a douche isn't against the law. There would be very few members here if it were.

I have an opinion, You have one. Everyone has one,. None of them are facts as to what happened that night in actuality. So, while I believe GZ motives may have to do with race, that doesn't make this entire case about race for me because it isn't a fact.

I have an opinion that O.J. Killed his wife and that young man. That doesn't make it a fact. That is why people like O.J. and Zimmerman were acquitted. The evidence that is admissible determines the facts for a jury and there wasn't enough admissible evidence. There was reasonable doubt. Therefore an acquittal.

Now only a complete moron would celebrate a acquittal with a young man dead and I don't care what color he is. Nobody here speaks for me. I have nothing to prove to any of you here. For me, it is tragic if the young man is white just like it is tragic if he is black. It is tragic period.

I have no problem with people like Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson. They are a needed voice but again these are human beings. That doesn't make them always right anymore than it makes anyone else always right. I think they help a lot of people without a voice have a voice.



This post was edited on 9/17 9:28 PM by cdwright40
CD, stop putting words in my mouth. I never said this entire case was about race. No one is claiming such. I said you were trying to explain away the racial profiling aspect. There are enough indicators to say that TM was racially profiled. Sure, it's all opinion but we form our opinions based on the circumstances and past knowledge/experiences. GZ def. fits the bill of a racial profiler. Yes, of course the it would be a tragedy no matter the color but the fact is this does not happen to white kids. It's only happening to our kids and the perps continue to get set free and this is the problem. Don't quite understand where you're attempting to go with this???

Al and Jessie are both charlatans, they no more care about the black community and black issues than the Klan. This is about money and notoriety for them. However, I will agree that their notoriety is of value when it comes to cases of this nature. But don't get it twisted, their purpose is more about themselves than the case. You can take that to the bank!

It is very very easy to see where i am going with it. I never put words in your mouth at all. I completely explained to you where i am going, where i have been and where i will stay. There is absolutely no ambiguity to it. I dont know how else to explain it.

Opinion does not make fact. That is and will always be the truth. That isnt down playing anything because the facts arenr there. That isnt my fault dude. I dont have anything to do with that.

I was very clear about my opinion but what you dont seem to understand is that is all it is. I am not going to present my opinion as fact. It isnt fact. Nobody should. Again, dont fall into that trap. That is exactly all that is because the only people that know what happened is who was actually there.

I wasnt there but i have an opinion that i shared with everyone here many times. I dont know how else to share it.

I have had family members do time because people make their opinion fact. I am not going to be a hypicrite. I have a cousin who did time for murder because of that. If you werent there, you dont know what happened. It isnt a downplay...it is how it should be.
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Originally posted by Azar:

TDE,

What I'm saying is that black juror would've had more of a human connection with the murdered child than the white jurors. It definitely matters when an all or predominantly white jury presides over a case of this nature and many times it influences the outcome. As much as you'd like to believe that cases are ruled 100% of the time based on the letter of the law, I'd have to say you're crazy to believe that. Personal opinions, beliefs, views, etc. can and have been used in many decisions throughout the course of history. This is why the vilification tactic is often used as they did against TM to project an image in the jurors' minds. Nothing in TM's past had anything to do with the facts of this case but they successfully conjured up as much negativity as possible. White juries have acquitted white defendants of murder against blacks countless times throughout history even in the cases where they were obviously guilty, this case is no different.

Our lives are not viewed with the same importance in court rooms. I do believe that with an all black jury coupled with a prosecutor who really wanted a conviction there would've been a much greater chance of GZ being convicted. It would have been a different proceeding if you had jurors who could make the connection to TM being their kid which I don't believe those jurors did. It's not hard to prove black life in America is not as valued the same as white life, I just saw someone quoting a stat on the frequency of white getting off for killing black people vs the opposite and it's glaringly disproportionate although I don't remember the exact no.

Regarding your last comment about my assumption of how the GZ jurors feel about blacks, although my analogy was not meant to make the assumption you stated, I assure you there's still an abundance of whites in this country who feel just as strongly about blacks as the Iraqis feel about Americans. However, my analogy was more of an attempt to provide you with an angle you could possibly relate and possibly give you an idea of what black people have experienced as a constant in the country courtesy of the criminal injustice system.

The tricky part about racism, especially this new stealthy version that has come about since its no longer politically correct to be overtly racist, is the fact that it's hard to prove. Ya'll are good at it now, anything short of saying the N-word it becomes a matter of opinion and very hard to prove. Its basically as CD said although I don't quite agree with his post, it becomes opinion vs opinion. But let me tell you something, most of us have dealt with racism all of our lives and our senses are pretty damn keen when it comes to identifying it. White folks who conduct themselves in racist manners in a given social or business setting may not think we notice it but trust me, we do. There just may be the slightest nuance in their actions, things that we of course could not use to prove to other white people especially that the particular individual is racist but we can tell for the most part. I'm not going to be arrogant and say we're on point every single time but we are right more often than not. We are definitely right more often than whites think we are. My point, however, is that today's systemic and social racism is often hard to prove because its no longer accompanied by derogatory language as in the past. It's executed in the form of coded language or on some other fabricated basis. Regarding Zimmerman and his crime having a racial basis, racial profiling is a statistically proven issue in this country, GZ has a chronic history of calling the cops to report black men, he used that code word of "suspicious" looking to descibe a kid who in actuality simply looked like your average black kid walking home when viewed through unbiased eyes, and regardless of what the police claims are about the 911 recordings I heard him call the kid a F'n coon. So your court and FBI findings are all BS to me and most of Black America who saw how this went down. It was a criminal act motivated by racial profiling.





This post was edited on 9/19 2:55 PM by Azar

Very fair points. Also true that all-white juries acquit white defendants who are charged with crimes against black victims more than they acquit black defendants who are charged with crimes against white victims. However, there is no way of telling in this case if the jury diminished the value of Martin's life because he was black. Take it for what is worth, but one juror said that the whole jury cried when they decided to acquit Zimmerman, so I don't think it was easy for them to acquit without realizing that a life had been lost. There is also no way of telling if a black juror, or jurors, would have had certain biases against Zimmerman because Martin was black. For instance, although I felt that the prosecution in the OJ case fvcked up, the majority of people and top legal pundits in this country felt that there were mountains of evidence to convict. So who is to say that the black jurors weren't enamored with Cochran and/or OJ because they were black, or did they acquit because they really felt there wasn't enough evidence to convict OJ? In sum, there is no perfect way to pick a jury to guarantee that they don't have biases based on their color, whether black or white.
 
CD,

Are you debating about the definition of opinion vs fact? Do honestly believe I don't know the difference between the two? Where in any of my statements did I give my opinion as a fact, I'd be interested in knowing what statement in particular are you referring to.
My point was ad is the fact that you keep stating the obvious of opinion not being fact in the most confusing way possible yet not making any correlation to a particular point in the case. Ok, bottom line, your saying opinion is not fact and vice versa. Fine, I got that and I hope you don't believe at any point that I didn't follow that. So I'm still curious about what facts are you referring to that makes this point relevant. Is it regarding your original explanation about it being about a choice with GZ and not race? If so, how do you know this as a fact? How did you factually determine that race did not come into play in GZ's thought process when he chose to pursue TM? There's always a thousand stories people can give about someone they know had this or that happen, and trust me, I've been a victim of fact vs opinion on a number of occasions. You do realize that opinions about cases are given many times from so called expert witness, right?
 
As a red headed light-eyed white male I say, "**** Zimmy!"
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Originally posted by Azar:
CD,

Are you debating about the definition of opinion vs fact? Do honestly believe I don't know the difference between the two? Where in any of my statements did I give my opinion as a fact, I'd be interested in knowing what statement in particular are you referring to.
My point was ad is the fact that you keep stating the obvious of opinion not being fact in the most confusing way possible yet not making any correlation to a particular point in the case. Ok, bottom line, your saying opinion is not fact and vice versa. Fine, I got that and I hope you don't believe at any point that I didn't follow that. So I'm still curious about what facts are you referring to that makes this point relevant. Is it regarding your original explanation about it being about a choice with GZ and not race? If so, how do you know this as a fact? How did you factually determine that race did not come into play in GZ's thought process when he chose to pursue TM? There's always a thousand stories people can give about someone they know had this or that happen, and trust me, I've been a victim of fact vs opinion on a number of occasions. You do realize that opinions about cases are given many times from so called expert witness, right?
I am not debating anything with you. I am simply telling you that I am not downplaying anything. I am stating my opinion just like you are. If your opinion is different than mine, then so be it.

How do I know for a fact race was not a factor? I don't know if race was a factor. I never said I did know it was. That is the difference here. I am not going to pretend to know something I don't. So what is the point of your question? I simply chose not to make it the basis of my opinion because I didn't have enough information to do so.

If you feel you did, that is your own decision but don't tell me I am downplaying race when my opinion is I don't have enough information to make this about race. I don't care what color the young man was, I am looking at the fact that someone lost their life unnecessarily. So, for me it isn't about race. It is about poor decisions that were unnecessary. Again, the reason for that? I don't have enough facts. I wasn't there.

I am not looking at it the way you are. He could be white or any other color. That doesn't factor in my opinion here so please don't talk to me about how I am downplaying something I don't feel I have enough facts to make it the basis of my opinion. I think the facts I have and I am comfortable with are the ones I use to form my opinion.

That doesn't mean that opinions aren't given many times about cases. That doesn't have anything to do with me and my own opinion. Those opinions are based on what they consider facts that are important to them. My opinion is based on facts that are important to me.
 
Lol, Calm down, Tiger. No one is telling you that you don't have a right to your opinion. Why do you keep fabricating issues to dissent? Fact vs Opinion, right to your opinion, you didn't say race was an issue which no one said you did, etc., where are you getting this stuff from? The only thing I said was that you were down playing the race issue, the rest of the stuff is out your own mind. Also, it was you who made an assumption by stating that some of us confuse fact and opinion, based on what I don't know. Regarding my OPINION of you previous post, however, may be its me but this sure as hell sounds like down playing the race issue. I've highlighted your quotes that shows the race issue being deflected. Ironically, your conclusion about it being a "judgement" issue flaws your entire point:

"People jump to an assumption about race because of thier own needs.

To me this is about choices....not race. Just because the parties are different races, that isnt at the core of what we know as fact.

The issue isnt anymore him being black than Nicole Simpson being white. The facts illustrate bad judgement.
OJ driving down the road in a bronco with AC wirh a lot if cash for example. Poor judgement. I dont feel any need to side with him because he is black. People rush to that conclusion just like with Zimmerman."


First, comparing the O.J. case the GZ case is apple to oranges, no relevant similarities whatsoever. Bruh, you can make a case of poor judgement in every criminal case there is, don't you see how ridiculous that sounds? Every damn criminal case is a case of poor judgement. Therefore using your logic, you can draw similarities between Jeffrey Dahmer's case and this case on the basis of it being a fact of "poor judgement". Lol. Moreover, your conclusion about it being "poor judgment" is ultimately an opinion, you're assuming that it was a judgement call for GZ vs him having some other intent. That hold's no more factual weight than the race opinion does. This is why you sound confused trying to explain away a point you deem as opinion with another opinion you're deeming as fact. Get it, Mr. Opinion vs Fact??? Lol.
 
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As a red headed light-eyed white male I say, "fck Zimmy!"

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My maan! And this is how all Americans who respect the rights and life of all should feel about this coward gunning down a kid walking from the store minding his business
 
Originally posted by Azar:
Lol, Calm down, Tiger. No one is telling you that you don't have a right to your opinion. Why do you keep fabricating issues to dissent? Fact vs Opinion, right to your opinion, you didn't say race was an issue which no one said you did, etc., where are you getting this stuff from? The only thing I said was that you were down playing the race issue, the rest of the stuff is out your own mind. Also, it was you who made an assumption by stating that some of us confuse fact and opinion, based on what I don't know. Regarding my OPINION of you previous post, however, may be its me but this sure as hell sounds like down playing the race issue. I've highlighted your quotes that shows the race issue being deflected. Ironically, your conclusion about it being a "judgement" issue flaws your entire point:

"People jump to an assumption about race because of thier own needs.

To me this is about choices....not race. Just because the parties are different races, that isnt at the core of what we know as fact.

The issue isnt anymore him being black than Nicole Simpson being white. The facts illustrate bad judgement.
OJ driving down the road in a bronco with AC wirh a lot if cash for example. Poor judgement. I dont feel any need to side with him because he is black. People rush to that conclusion just like with Zimmerman."


First, comparing the O.J. case the GZ case is apple to oranges, no relevant similarities whatsoever. Bruh, you can make a case of poor judgement in every criminal case there is, don't you see how ridiculous that sounds? Every damn criminal case is a case of poor judgement. Therefore using your logic, you can draw similarities between Jeffrey Dahmer's case and this case on the basis of it being a fact of "poor judgement". Lol. Moreover, your conclusion about it being "poor judgment" is ultimately an opinion, you're assuming that it was a judgement call for GZ vs him having some other intent. That hold's no more factual weight than the race opinion does. This is why you sound confused trying to explain away a point you deem as opinion with another opinion you're deeming as fact. Get it, Mr. Opinion vs Fact??? Lol.
I am calm and I am not Tiger....and what is up with all the LOL's? Pretty strange to me and I use it a lot.

I think there are some similarities between the cases of O.J. and GZ. I don't agree.

A. Not enough facts/evidence for a jury to convict would be the main one. So the acquittal would be an important one. Was Jefferey Dahmer Aquitted or did I miss something?

B. Victims are of different racial backgrounds than the accused.

C. Highly publicized trials that garner a lot of opinions and facts.

Not sure what you are talking about with Jefferey Dahmer. I don't get the reference. That is the only thing I am confused about. I am far from confused about what I have explained to YOU pretty clearly. Please don't suggest I sound confused because you simply may not agree with my premise. I am not confused one bit.

I get it and suggest you get it.

I am not interested in basing my opinion on anything that I don't have enough facts to back up. NO CONFUSION AT ALL. Very plain and pretty concise.

Recap? If I don't feel I have enough facts to support basing my opinion on race as motivation, I am not going to base my opinion on it. Simple as that. It isn't the main thing for me. The main thing for me is a young boy is dead unnecessarily. If you want to turn it into a racial crusade because you are comfortable with the evidence, that is your own choice.

Please don't make that someone else's choice because they may not feel the way you do. I am not interested in the racial crusade. In fact most people I know and talk to aren't interested in a racial crusade. We are interested in making sure everyone has equal civil/human rights. Regardless of the color of their skin, background.

Like I said, I agreed with many of your points. However, if you are going to rush to too many judgments that aren't adequately supported by facts then you aren't any better than those people who are defending GZ.

Nobody should be here talking about how someone did anything because of race without the evidence to support that. Nobody should be here suggesting without knowing me I dislike George Zimmerman because it was a black kid that lost his life. I could go on and on. It would be hypocritical of me to come here admonishing people on not seeing how racist George Zimmermans motives were on one breath. Then telling them I am not defending people based on race.






This post was edited on 9/21 6:41 PM by cdwright40
 
Wow, you got issues. The lol's are there because I'm literally laughing at how ridiculous you sound and the fact that you really believe the things you're saying make sense or prove a point. It's really is funny, no sh*t. Your first sentence is a good reference point as to why I said calm down. Lot's of vibrato in many of your statements. I have a right to my opinion, I'm not tiger, etc. Again, most of what you point out oppose conclusions that came out of your mind and no one else's.

Did you really understand my reference to Dahmer to be regarding the outcome of the case? Wow! So comprehension is the primary problem here along with a bit of ignorance, also. Dahmer was used as a reference to show how ridiculous your logic is, we could draw similarities in any case even those that have no similarities whatsoever, if we simply use the logic of it being a "bad choice". You get more interesting by the post, I tell you. Your ego is a mile high and you'll say the most ridiculous sh*t just to be right.

Regarding the racial crusade, as you refer to it, I understand the line of thinking coming from the mis-educated negro who's been taught to think in total opposition to his own self-interest and interest of his people. This proves my original point about you buck dancing around and trying to deflect the race issue. Negroes like you kill me, "we want to make sure everyone has rights". No one else needs your help, all other people are working together to make sure they have equal rights (i.e. Hispanics, Jewish, Gays) you name it. They are working for their interest, first and foremost, and do not emphasize how they are "helping others" neither are they scared of stating their purpose as being the betterment of their people. Ahhhh but the scared negro is different. Go ahead and try naming a few who've been highlighted in history as assisting the black struggle, and trust me, I could chop it and serve it on a platter regarding their true motives. I'm for justice for all people as well, however, it is black folk that continuously get the short end of the stick when it comes to justice. Yet negroes like you always want to make sure people know, "I'm not just doing this for black people, I'm not like that." Your the negro that's always scared to rock the boat when any racial injustice occurs and always trying to explain racial issues away to show your reverence. smh. You damn right black folks are my first interest and it ain't a damn crusade as you ignorantly call it, it's a fight for justice and equality as it has always been. Your words are just as marginalizing and disrespectful to black people and our plight as the coined term "race card" that whites often use. Race issues are not a card and this is not some fabricated crusade, Mr. Negro. Do they use Jewish card when Jews speak about their past? Let's see if Gay card is used with gays eventually. Nevertheless, this is what I expect from the mis-educated negro who believes he somehow transcends race and it's not an issue for him. Black people, by and large, are collectively in the same economic conditions as the 50's and 60's when we look at incomes and do statistical comparisons yet negroes like you think it's all good because you've got a few nuggets. So don't worry, I knew who you were and what you represented all along, you don't have to put on a show for the white dudes on here. In fact, I'll let them know. Guys, just so we're clear, CD does not support any of my view or philosophies nor does he hold any special dedication black people, our history or culture. There negro, you feel better with that disclaimer. Smh.

Take your ridiculous azz logic to someone who's buying it. No matter how much you double talk, that jedi mind sh*t doesn't work on me. I don't dance, I shoot straight...


This post was edited on 9/23 7:02 AM by Azar
 
Guess I touched a nerve. Sorry, I am not interested in reading the essay. It really isnt that complicated. Not interested in a race crusade based on the facts i have.

If that is in some Jedi mind trick fir you then sorry. I cant dumb it down anymore tiger.
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Originally posted by cdwright40:
Guess I touched a nerve. Sorry, I am not interested in reading the essay. It really isnt that complicated. Not interested in a race crusade based on the facts i have.

If that is in some Jedi mind trick fir you then sorry. I cant dumb it down anymore tiger.

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Listen Uncle Ruckus, you can't dumb down what's already dumb. You've only impressed yourself with that ridiculous logic of yours. I agree, it's not complicated at all. It's you who constantly attempt to complicate the simplest of issues. No nerves hit here, I just call'em like I see'm. You simply confirmed what I already knew you to be, a bojanglin, buck dancin azz negropean, that's all. "I'z ain't be on no racial crusade, boss." "I'z ain't like dem". Lol. What the hell is a racial crusade anyway??? Is that what you've interpreted the Civil Rights and fight for equality movements to be, a racial crusade? Can only shake my head at that ridiculousness but I'm sure you get the nod of approval from those you are trying to impress, though.....

Imagine, the man that consistently posts essays full of no substance, jibberish not being interested in reading anyone else's post. My posts are like kryptonite to the negropean, it causes him cringing, shaking, and to post immediate disclaimers which is why I took the liberty of posting one for you. That way you won't have to go through one of your painstaking explanations that make no sense whatsoever in your attempt to disassociate yourself from my comments. Seriously, you couldn't out debate me on my worst day. Not to say that you're wrong about everything, as they say, a broke clock is right twice a day. However, your ego is a lot greater than your wisdom and reasoning faculties. So stay in the house where it's safe and comfy for you, it's hot in the field!
 
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