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Per CDC there’s more pneumonia deaths this year than Covid.


LMAO!!!! If that chart is true it means they are actually misclassifying Covid deaths. Covid doesn’t actually kill you. Your body’s response to it actually kills you. Just like aids. The aids virus doesn’t kill you per se, you die as a result of having complications to aids. Pneumonia is a build up of fluid in the lungs. What is Covid. A respiratory disease that affects also your respiratory system (lungs), neurological system, your cardiovascular system and impacts your nephrology. So the fact that the graph shows the rise of pneumonia along with Covid means people are dying of it because of Covid and they are choosing to change the classification of death to make it seem like there are less Covid related deaths. Lol. This is hilarious. Because anyone with a medical background could tell you what’s wrong with this.

you boys enjoy. Feel free to look up on google anything I just said.
 
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LMAO!!!! If that chart is true it means they are actually misclassifying Covid deaths. Covid doesn’t actually kill you. Your body’s response to it actually kills you. Just like aids. The aids virus doesn’t kill you per se, you die as a result of having complications to aids. Pneumonia is a build up of fluid in the lungs. What is Covid. A respiratory disease that affects also your respiratory system (lungs), neurological system, your cardiovascular system and impacts your nephrology. So the fact that the graph shows the rise of pneumonia along with Covid means people are dying of it because of Covid and they are choosing to change the classification of death to make it seem like there are less Covid related deaths. Lol. This is hilarious. Because anyone with a medical background could tell you what’s wrong with this.

you boys enjoy. Feel free to look up on google anything I just said.

You hate facts, you’ll go in a million directions to avoid them.
 
LMAO!!!! If that chart is true it means they are actually misclassifying Covid deaths. Covid doesn’t actually kill you. Your body’s response to it actually kills you. Just like aids. The aids virus doesn’t kill you per se, you die as a result of having complications to aids. Pneumonia is a build up of fluid in the lungs. What is Covid. A respiratory disease that affects also your respiratory system (lungs), neurological system, your cardiovascular system and impacts your nephrology. So the fact that the graph shows the rise of pneumonia along with Covid means people are dying of it because of Covid and they are choosing to change the classification of death to make it seem like there are less Covid related deaths. Lol. This is hilarious. Because anyone with a medical background could tell you what’s wrong with this.

you boys enjoy. Feel free to look up on google anything I just said.


I figured it out, CD has two accounts.
 
You hate facts, you’ll go in a million directions to avoid them.

lol. I didn’t disagree with your facts. I put em in context. You don’t see anything weird with how closely the pneumonia track in the graph closely follows the Covid track. That doesn’t tip you off at all? No? Doesn’t make you curious? Ask more questions? I gave you a breakdown of what happened. You choose not to believe it. You can also look up anything if you think I’m lying. Yet you claim I hate facts. I’m actually using your facts. Lol. Not hating on them. Explaining them.
 
Hospitals get paid more for covid patients and reimbursement for uninsured if cause of death is covid they get paid more
So they are not gonna list covid death as pneumonia more likely to list pneumonia as covid.
Follow the money

hospitals don’t make $ on Covid patients. They don’t make much money treating regular patients. Where hospitals make money is on surgeries. Look it up. I can get you a link if you want.
 
I did look up the relief act provided xtra payments from Medicare and for uninsured
Don’t know how to post links but copied this from a search

Politifact looked at an analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation which found the average Medicare payment for a less severe COVID-19 hospitalization was just over $13,000, and for a hospitalization requiring a ventilator it was just over $40,000. This includes the 20% “add on” through the CARES Act. That increases the hospital’s standard payment for similar treatment of non-COVID patients.

We rate the claim that hospitals make more money from COVID-19 patients as true.
 
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LMAO!!!! If that chart is true it means they are actually misclassifying Covid deaths. Covid doesn’t actually kill you. Your body’s response to it actually kills you. Just like aids. The aids virus doesn’t kill you per se, you die as a result of having complications to aids. Pneumonia is a build up of fluid in the lungs. What is Covid. A respiratory disease that affects also your respiratory system (lungs), neurological system, your cardiovascular system and impacts your nephrology. So the fact that the graph shows the rise of pneumonia along with Covid means people are dying of it because of Covid and they are choosing to change the classification of death to make it seem like there are less Covid related deaths. Lol. This is hilarious. Because anyone with a medical background could tell you what’s wrong with this.

you boys enjoy. Feel free to look up on google anything I just said.
You could say that about nearly any death that is not related to blunt force trauma wounds. Old people dont just die out of thin air, they have one or several organ failures or complications. What a foolish comparison charading as competent medical advice.
 
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lol. I didn’t disagree with your facts. I put em in context. You don’t see anything weird with how closely the pneumonia track in the graph closely follows the Covid track. That doesn’t tip you off at all? No? Doesn’t make you curious? Ask more questions? I gave you a breakdown of what happened. You choose not to believe it. You can also look up anything if you think I’m lying. Yet you claim I hate facts. I’m actually using your facts. Lol. Not hating on them. Explaining them.

Im just sitting back watching you make one foolish post after another.
 
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I did look up the relief act provided xtra payments from Medicare and for uninsured
Don’t know how to post links but copied this from a search

Politifact looked at an analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation which found the average Medicare payment for a less severe COVID-19 hospitalization was just over $13,000, and for a hospitalization requiring a ventilator it was just over $40,000. This includes the 20% “add on” through the CARES Act. That increases the hospital’s standard payment for similar treatment of non-COVID patients.

We rate the claim that hospitals make more money from COVID-19 patients as true.

Ok cool. So you think 13k is a lot or ventilator 40k is a lot. When I tore my Achilles, it was out patient surgery (I was only there for one day) and it was 55k. Now that you looked that up look up how many hospitals have stopped elective surgeries, then look up how many hospitals have had to lay off staff. Also if, this may help you look up the number of hospitalized Covid patients in a state per day. That will show you how many rooms these hospitals have. Not a lot. This is not a money making venture. Hospitals can charge like 15k per heart stent surgeries. They do those in out patients. A doctor can place like 5+ in a day
 
Ok cool. So you think 13k is a lot or ventilator 40k is a lot. When I tore my Achilles, it was out patient surgery (I was only there for one day) and it was 55k. Now that you looked that up look up how many hospitals have stopped elective surgeries, then look up how many hospitals have had to lay off staff. Also if, this may help you look up the number of hospitalized Covid patients in a state per day. That will show you how many rooms these hospitals have. Not a lot. This is not a money making venture. Hospitals can charge like 15k per heart stent surgeries. They do those in out patients. A doctor can place like 5+ in a day

Politafact states More which according to dictionary means


more
/môr/

determiner · pronoun
  1. a greater or additional amount or degree.

    So one could assume covid patients are reimbursed with More $ than pneumonia

 
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Im just sitting back watching you make one foolish post after another.

that’s fine. Lol. They are perfectly comprehensible. And if you don’t comprehend then you call me foolish. When anyone with a medical background can tell you the same thing.
 
Politafact states More which according to dictionary means


more
/môr/

determiner · pronoun
  1. a greater or additional amount or degree.

    So one could assume covid patients are reimbursed with More $ than pneumonia

ok. I run a medical office I’m telling you what your describing is a drop in the bucket. Let’s take a nurse. A pulmonary nurse, which is needed to take care of a patient on a ventilator about $50 an hr. To have a couple nurses provide 24 hr care cost $1200 a day. We aren’t even talking about supplies, support staff, the doctor, the equipment counting the ventilator. Recent study shows patients spend an average of 10 days on a ventilator. Having a nurse care for that patient around the clock for 10 days is 12k. And that’s just the nurse. So now that extra 40k for a patient on a ventilator is down to 28k. We haven’t paid anyone else or paid for anything else in terms of supplies or equipment.
 
ok. I run a medical office I’m telling you what your describing is a drop in the bucket. Let’s take a nurse. A pulmonary nurse, which is needed to take care of a patient on a ventilator about $50 an hr. To have a couple nurses provide 24 hr care cost $1200 a day. We aren’t even talking about supplies, support staff, the doctor, the equipment counting the ventilator. Recent study shows patients spend an average of 10 days on a ventilator. Having a nurse care for that patient around the clock for 10 days is 12k. And that’s just the nurse. So now that extra 40k for a patient on a ventilator is down to 28k. We haven’t paid anyone else or paid for anything else in terms of supplies or equipment.
Well then I guess xtra doesn’t mean xtra
I’m assuming xtra means on top of in other words the normal costs are paid and then xtra on top of that

Obviously this is going nowhere because we have a different definition of ... xtra , more,in addition to, on top off.

Not going to question your knowledge of medical billing.
But when I had my construction business if someone paid me xtra or more I was pretty happy
If the facts don’t fit the narrative sorry bout that
The mind is like a parachute if it doesn’t open it’s useless
 
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You hate facts, you’ll go in a million directions to avoid them.
I called him out in the other thread about this because he doesn’t see what he does. During a normal year, if someone died from a heart attack and they had the flu as well, it was coded as heart attack on their death certificate. This year, if they died from a heart attack and had covid, it is a death due to covid. Sad but true, regarding the misclassification of deaths. @CashvilleCane1 has discussed this several times and posted links to doctors having issues with these misclassifications.
 
ok. I run a medical office I’m telling you what your describing is a drop in the bucket. Let’s take a nurse. A pulmonary nurse, which is needed to take care of a patient on a ventilator about $50 an hr. To have a couple nurses provide 24 hr care cost $1200 a day. We aren’t even talking about supplies, support staff, the doctor, the equipment counting the ventilator. Recent study shows patients spend an average of 10 days on a ventilator. Having a nurse care for that patient around the clock for 10 days is 12k. And that’s just the nurse. So now that extra 40k for a patient on a ventilator is down to 28k. We haven’t paid anyone else or paid for anything else in terms of supplies or equipment.
This is not a cash grab because they want more Covid patients rather one of necessity due to regulations. You are 100% correct that hospitals derive most of their profits from elective surgeries. That said for many months hospitals have not been allowed to conduct elective procedures and as such this has blown a hole in their budgets. Due to this they are labeling everything they possibly can as a Covid death in order to get the higher payment for treatment performed because they desperately need the additional revenue. At any point in the past if you had a patient with 3-5 (avg Covid death in US has 3) underlying comorbidities and they caught the flu and died it would never have been labeled a flu death, now it is because of the financial incentives to do so.

This in turn fuels the panic porn by the media and is why most people are wildly misinformed about their risks. Almost 2/3 of people under 45 think that if they get Covid they have a strong chance of dying even though their odds are almost zero.
 
This is not a cash grab because they want more Covid patients rather one of necessity due to regulations. You are 100% correct that hospitals derive most of their profits from elective surgeries. That said for many months hospitals have not been allowed to conduct elective procedures and as such this has blown a hole in their budgets. Due to this they are labeling everything they possibly can as a Covid death in order to get the higher payment for treatment performed because they desperately need the additional revenue. At any point in the past if you had a patient with 3-5 (avg Covid death in US has 3) underlying comorbidities and they caught the flu and died it would never have been labeled a flu death, now it is because of the financial incentives to do so.

This in turn fuels the panic porn by the media and is why most people are wildly misinformed about their risks. Almost 2/3 of people under 45 think that if they get Covid they have a strong chance of dying even though their odds are almost zero.
And the sheep continue to fall in line... Interesting study by Franklin Templeton - Gallup reveals a gross misperception of COVID risk among Americans, driven by partisanship and misinformation. Gotta love how people keep getting duped by Fakenews....



ON MY MIND: THEY BLINDED US FROM SCIENCE

First insights from the new Franklin Templeton–Gallup research project on the behavioral response to the COVID-19 pandemic and implications for the recovery: we find a gross misperception of COVID-19 risk, driven by partisanship and misinformation, and a willingness to pay a significant “safety premium” that could affect future inflation.

The first round of our Franklin Templeton–Gallup Economics of Recovery Study has already yielded three powerful and surprising insights:
  1. Americans still misperceive the risks of death from COVID-19 for different age cohorts—to a shocking extent;

  2. The misperception is greater for those who identify as Democrats, and for those who rely more on social media for information; partisanship and misinformation, to misquote Thomas Dolby, are blinding us from science; and

  3. We find a sizable “safety premium” that could become a significant driver of inflation as the recovery gets underway.

MISPERCEPTIONS OF RISK
Six months into this pandemic, Americans still dramatically misunderstand the risk of dying from COVID-19:
  1. On average, Americans believe that people aged 55 and older account for just over half of total COVID-19 deaths; the actual figure is 92%.

  2. Americans believe that people aged 44 and younger account for about 30% of total deaths; the actual figure is 2.7%.

  3. Americans overestimate the risk of death from COVID-19 for people aged 24 and younger by a factor of 50; and they think the risk for people aged 65 and older is half of what it actually is (40% vs 80%).
These results are nothing short of stunning. Mortality data have shown from the very beginning that the COVID-19 virus age-discriminates, with deaths overwhelmingly concentrated in people who are older and suffer comorbidities. This is perhaps the only uncontroversial piece of evidence we have about this virus. Nearly all US fatalities have been among people older than 55; and yet a large number of Americans are still convinced that the risk to those younger than 55 is almost the same as to those who are older.


 
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