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The SCOTUS situation is completely the Dems fault (they know it)

This is 2 responses that our country is ****ed...stop the bullshit and do what is right for the country...i am independent and what both parties are doing is disgraceful

I agree. But the Republicans are playing hardball and the democrats need to fight fire with fire. What the OP conveniently failed to mention was that McConnell simply refused to consider almost every single judge Obama put forward no matter what. So Harry Reid did change the rules for judges other than the Supreme Court. McConnell then refused to even consider a moderate nominee for the Supreme Court with the excuse that it was an election year. Then when they couldn't get 60 for Gorsich they changed the rules for the Supreme Court. Now it's all good to confirm a Supreme Court nominee in an election year.

So clearly McConnell is playing hardball and is very effective at it. Democrats need to respond. If they win the senate they better not confirm one single judge in the next congress unless Biden is president. If they have the senate and Biden is president then they also need to expand and pack the court. It's a shame that it would come to that but we're here. And it all goes back to McConnell's refusal to consider anyone that Obama put up. Yes both parties have fault here but the Republicans have taken it to the extreme.
 
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By this logic we would still have slavery and women wouldn't be able to vote. That's the conservative way - preserving the ugliness and inequity of the past instead of facilitating the future.

You argument makes no sense...
 
ion This works both ways, which means the Dems will proceed to pack the courts with four new SCOTUS picks and get rid of the filibuster, which will not only invalidate whoever Trump picks to replace RBG, but also make the court more Dem friendly for an entire lifetime.
Or until the Reps win the POTUS and Senate again and pack the court with an additional 20. Just deal with the consequeces of elections. Obama picked two intelectual lightweights in Sotomayor and especially Kagan. The Reps have to live with it. Basically loser dems think that Shumer is equal to Madison. Can only hope the country wakes up and understands the brilliance of the founders and the constitution versus the short terms lies and greed of the modern day democrat party. Venezuela is not a bad place if you are Maduro or one of his cronies. Mao and Stalin did not miss the millions they slaughtered.
 
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I agree. But the Republicans are playing hardball and the democrats need to fight fire with fire. What the OP conveniently failed to mention was that McConnell simply refused to consider almost every single judge Obama put forward no matter what. So Harry Reid did change the rules for judges other than the Supreme Court. McConnell then refused to even consider a moderate nominee for the Supreme Court with the excuse that it was an election year. Then when they couldn't get 60 for Gorsich they changed the rules for the Supreme Court. Now it's all good to confirm a Supreme Court nominee in an election year.

So clearly McConnell is playing hardball and is very effective at it. Democrats need to respond. If they win the senate they better not confirm one single judge in the next congress unless Biden is president. If they have the senate and Biden is president then they also need to expand and pack the court. It's a shame that it would come to that but we're here. And it all goes back to McConnell's refusal to consider anyone that Obama put up. Yes both parties have fault here but the Republicans have taken it to the extreme.
Except Trump has already had nearly 200 Judges confirmed thanks to Harry Reid. Problem is Reid never considered the Senate would be lost in 14 then 16 and even more in 18. That is why it's best to leave tradition alone.
 
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Or until the Reps win the POTUS and Senate again and pack the court with an additional 20. Just deal with the consequeces of elections. Obama picked two intelectual lightweights in Sotomayor and especially Kagan. The Reps have to live with it. Basically loser dems think that Shumer is equal to Madison. Can only hope the country wake up and understands the brilliance of the founders and the constitution versus the short terms lies and greed of the modern day democrat party. Venezuela is not a bad place if you are Mzduro or one of his cronies. Mao and Stalin did not miss the millions they slaughtered.

This is unlikely because Republicans face a fundamental numbers problem. Every four years millions of new voters reach voting age, millions more die off, and about a million people become naturalized citizens. Newer young voters tend to skew heavily Dem, older voters dying off tend to be more traditional/conservative, and immigrants tend to skew Dem as well. So it doesn't take a math degree to see why Republicans are slowly going the way of the Dodo bird, which is why they are now having to resort to dark tactics like gerrymandering, voter ID laws, preventing felons who have done their time from voting, reducing early mail in voting, and limiting immigration into the country. So if the Dems were to move forward with a scorched earth policy, there's little that can be done about it in the long run.
 
This is unlikely because Republicans face a fundamental numbers problem. Every four years millions of new voters reach voting age, millions more die off, and about a million people become naturalized citizens. Newer young voters tend to skew heavily Dem, older voters dying off tend to be more traditional/conservative, and immigrants tend to skew Dem as well. So it doesn't take a math degree to see why Republicans are slowly going the way of the Dodo bird, which is why they are now having to resort to dark tactics like gerrymandering, voter ID laws, preventing felons who have done their time from voting, reducing early mail in voting, and limiting immigration into the country. So if the Dems were to move forward with a scorched earth policy, there's little that can be done about it in the long run.
You're delusional with your declining white man and repub dreams. People grow up and get jobs, have kids, want a better life, become republicans. Except the idiots.
 
This is unlikely because Republicans face a fundamental numbers problem. Every four years millions of new voters reach voting age, millions more die off, and about a million people become naturalized citizens. Newer young voters tend to skew heavily Dem, older voters dying off tend to be more traditional/conservative, and immigrants tend to skew Dem as well. So it doesn't take a math degree to see why Republicans are slowly going the way of the Dodo bird, which is why they are now having to resort to dark tactics like gerrymandering, voter ID laws, preventing felons who have done their time from voting, reducing early mail in voting, and limiting immigration into the country. So if the Dems were to move forward with a scorched earth policy, there's little that can be done about it in the long run.
Raoul don't be dumb. Every 4 years young people become older, start making some money in their career, settle down start a family, and then they figure out real quick that they don't want to send more money to the Democrats in DC via higher taxes. Their daydream days of their youth turn a bit more conservative.
 
You're delusional with your declining white man and repub dreams. People grow up and get jobs, have kids, want a better life, become republicans. Except the idiots.
Not to mention the youngest of voters tend to have the lowest turnout.
 
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Raoul says Trump is limiting immigration into the country - yes he is , ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION and the TRUTH is there were 756,000 new immigrants that became American citizens in 2018 ( 16% increase over 2014) and last year 834,000
He has NO idea what he’s talking about which is not unusual
 
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You're delusional with your declining white man and repub dreams. People grow up and get jobs, have kids, want a better life, become republicans. Except the idiots.

Your issue is with reality, not me. The numbers don’t lie and the math doesn’t care about your feelings.
 
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Except Trump has already had nearly 200 Judges confirmed thanks to Harry Reid. Problem is Reid never considered the Senate would be lost in 14 then 16 and even more in 18. That is why it's best to leave tradition alone.

They opened the door it back fired now they want to change the rules...pussies..!!!
 
Except Trump has already had nearly 200 Judges confirmed thanks to Harry Reid. Problem is Reid never considered the Senate would be lost in 14 then 16 and even more in 18. That is why it's best to leave tradition alone.

I agree. But you also have to acknowledge that McConnell broke tradition by simply refusing to even consider a large number of judges Obama nominated. Automatic filibuster regardless. He was the first senate majority leader to utilize this tactic. It would have been one thing if there was a problem with specific nominees but that wasn't the case. It was filibuster regardless. So unfortunately the democrats enacted the only option open to them.
 
I agree. But you also have to acknowledge that McConnell broke tradition by simply refusing to even consider a large number of judges Obama nominated. Automatic filibuster regardless. He was the first senate majority leader to utilize this tactic. It would have been one thing if there was a problem with specific nominees but that wasn't the case. It was filibuster regardless. So unfortunately the democrats enacted the only option open to them.
Whatever the reason it would have been resolved by simply doing one thing; WIN BACK OR HOLD THE SENATE and the Democrats failed to do so. This was 2013 not 2016. Just so you know I don't like when any of these Institutions use these tactics (they both do) A President puts forth a person for advice and consent, that person should get an up or down vote. If they don't like the person, vote no.
 
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By this logic we would still have slavery and women wouldn't be able to vote. That's the conservative way - preserving the ugliness and inequity of the past instead of facilitating the future.
And we still have slavery if It was for the Democrats
 
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Whatever the reason it would have been resolved by simply doing one thing; WIN BACK OR HOLD THE SENATE and the Democrats failed to do so. This was 2013 not 2016. Just so you know I don't like when any of these Institutions use these tactics (they both do) A President puts forth a person for advice and consent, that person should get an up or down vote. If they don't like the person, vote no.

I understand when it was and McConnell simply refused to consider these nominees, which is not consistent with the traditions that you spoke of. Seems like you are okay with McConnell breaking that tradition but aren't okay with Reid breaking the tradition. Look both parties are responsible but this all started with McConnell's tactics.
 
I understand when it was and McConnell simply refused to consider these nominees, which is not consistent with the traditions that you spoke of. Seems like you are okay with McConnell breaking that tradition but aren't okay with Reid breaking the tradition. Look both parties are responsible but this all started with McConnell's tactics.
Don't know where I lost you but pretty sure I wrote " A President puts forth a nominee and the person should get an up or down vote." Did you not read that?
 
Lib's Live in a me 1st fantasy bubble. It use to be Republicans were thought (70's-early 90')of as snobby elite trust fund babies too rich to care, NOW its the Democrats. Yha you think you're entitled to have Garland not just nominated but elected to the Supreme Court, when you DON'T EVEN Hold the Senate. How Dare they not Do As We Say ! The only error I see was Repub's not just laughing at the Dems and saying the Truth He's not getting nominated nor elected , because WE the Republican Voted in Senate Majority Don't Agree or Want To. It's the only mistake, as if the Shoe were on the other Foot, The Dem's would of Surely Done. Only an Idiot would think that a Majority has to appease a minority in Government. Take a Civics Class and actually Learn How it Works, before you begin exposing just how moronic you are. ALL Dems do is accuse, assault, attack, smear, lie, and threaten, and don't even show the faculty to remember a simple nursery rhyme " Don't Cry Wolf ". I feel the worse for real democrat's who have seen their party taken over and turned into a human cesspool.
 
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Don't know where I lost you but pretty sure I wrote " A President puts forth a nominee and the person should get an up or down vote." Did you not read that?

I did and I agree. It's a shame it came to this but the democrats really have no choice but to expand the court and pack it if they win the presidency and the senate. The Republicans have shown they will do absolutely anything to ensure a conservative court and the dems need to respond accordingly. And then I'm sure when the Republicans have the chance they would do the same and round and round we go. And this is exactly why McConnell's approach to block every nominee no matter what was just wrong. McConnell is the epitome of what is wrong in DC. No interest in compromise. Dems also have their share of these people too
 
I did and I agree. It's a shame it came to this but the democrats really have no choice but to expand the court and pack it if they win the presidency and the senate. The Republicans have shown they will do absolutely anything to ensure a conservative court and the dems need to respond accordingly. And then I'm sure when the Republicans have the chance they would do the same and round and round we go. And this is exactly why McConnell's approach to block every nominee no matter what was just wrong. McConnell is the epitome of what is wrong in DC. No interest in compromise. Dems also have their share of these people too
You can not agree with me and then write this garbage. Pack the court? Absolutly anything to ensure a conservative court? A Justice died. There is a vacant seat. President nominates Senate confirms. Thats bread and butter constitution stuff. He wouldn't be able to confirm if not for the Nuclear Option put in by Harry Reid. They are doing their jobs that voters elected them to do. Pack the court says " We don't like the make up of the court so lets change the rules again." Nonsense.
 
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This was so predictable. Democrats are not going to lay down for this! FACT! Republicans are welcome to jam a supreme court nominee through even though they were very clear themselves it is not the right thing to do. If they had a hearing on Obamas pick it would be less hypocritical but this is disgraceful. I am going to just sit by and watch the fallout and you better believe it will be huge.

Our democracy is at stake and people think this is just some kind of power grab and nothing to see here. This is huge. Incumbents refusing to leave office prior to the election? Some of you really see nothing wrong with this. Which tells me our system is already broken.

The bottom line is there is no doubt and never was any doubt Moscow Mitch and Dumpster fire Trump can not rely on the American people to decide what is best. They think it is their role to do that but like I said. We are going to find out the ramifications of doing this and I am certain they will be huge.
 
You can not agree with me and then write this garbage. Pack the court? Absolutly anything to ensure a conservative court? A Justice died. There is a vacant seat. President nominates Senate confirms. Thats bread and butter constitution stuff. He wouldn't be able to confirm if not for the Nuclear Option put in by Harry Reid. They are doing their jobs that voters elected them to do. Pack the court says " We don't like the make up of the court so lets change the rules again." Nonsense.
Listen this is what is going to happen....and there is no need to bother trying act like what is happening trying to jam a supreme court justice through without hearing Obamas pick is just not going to be tolerated. These are FACTS! Supreme Court picks are not just for Republicans. You gonna learn today....lol
 
Listen this is what is going to happen....and there is no need to bother trying act like what is happening trying to jam a supreme court justice through without hearing Obamas pick is just not going to be tolerated. These are FACTS! Supreme Court picks are not just for Republicans. You gonna learn today....lol
Ok CD ok. Politics is a dirty business. Tell me how clean the Dems are. I'll wait. Y'all futzed up when you changed the vote count and now it is going to bite you right in your azzez. The IRONY here is when Harry Reid did it the Republicans told him EXACTLY what would one day happen and here we are................Short term thinking can harm longer term results in life. Very common mistake.
 
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Ok CD ok. Politics is a dirty business. Tell me how clean the Dems are. I'll wait. Y'all futzed up when you changed the vote count and now it is going to bite you right in your azzez. The IRONY here is when Harry Reid did it the Republicans told him EXACTLY what would one day happen and here we are................Short term thinking can harm longer term results in life. Very common mistake.
If politics are a dirty business then you should have no problem with what is about to go down. Right? You should be well aware of the ramifications....and have no problem with it. You want to point fingers at one side but at the end of the day...Democrats just aren't going to allow you to ignore Obama's pick and them pick your own. It's a bridge too far. It doesn't compare to what Ried did and pretending this would is rather ridiculous. The Dems aren't going to lay down here. You should already know that and you can't just tell me "politics is a dirty business" when your party does something wrong on all levels and then act outraged when Dems do. It's not gonna work that way. People aren't going to be bullied. They will get hit right back in the mouth....so yes it is a dirty game.
 
This is unlikely because Republicans face a fundamental numbers problem. Every four years millions of new voters reach voting age, millions more die off, and about a million people become naturalized citizens. Newer young voters tend to skew heavily Dem, older voters dying off tend to be more traditional/conservative, and immigrants tend to skew Dem as well. So it doesn't take a math degree to see why Republicans are slowly going the way of the Dodo bird, which is why they are now having to resort to dark tactics like gerrymandering, voter ID laws, preventing felons who have done their time from voting, reducing early mail in voting, and limiting immigration into the country. So if the Dems were to move forward with a scorched earth policy, there's little that can be done about it in the long run.

Basically you are saying that you that Chavez had it right and you want the US to be Venezuela. See how that works out for you.
 
Basically you are saying that you that Chavez had it right and you want the US to be Venezuela. See how that works out for you.

If you think Democracy is Socialism then you may want to hit the books again. This is a pretty simple issue - every four years more conservatives die off than are replenished by new young voters and recently naturalized immigrants. Beyond the basic 2nd grade math required to acknowledge this, white Americans will soon be outnumbered by non-whites, so I’ll let you draw your own conclusions as to what this means for the voter balance.
 
This works both ways, which means the Dems will proceed to pack the courts with four new SCOTUS picks and get rid of the filibuster, which will not only invalidate whoever Trump picks to replace RBG, but also make the court more Dem friendly for an entire lifetime.
Funny how all of a sudden everything that has stayed the same for over 200 years, Dems want to change.
Why dont they STFU and actually leguislate something. All dems have done is crawl all over Trump.
Yeah and add 2 states.
5 2MORE months
 
Funny how all of a sudden everything that has stayed the same for over 200 years, Dems want to change.
Why dont they STFU and actually leguislate something. All dems have done is crawl all over Trump.
Yeah and add 2 states.
5 2MORE months

It’s probably related to right wingers playing politics with Obama’s last scotus pick. When you brazenly cheat you should expect brazen retribution.

Beyond that, it’s actually a great idea to cycle more justices in and out to keep things fresh and up to date with social norms.
 
If politics are a dirty business then you should have no problem with what is about to go down. Right? You should be well aware of the ramifications....and have no problem with it. You want to point fingers at one side but at the end of the day...Democrats just aren't going to allow you to ignore Obama's pick and them pick your own. It's a bridge too far. It doesn't compare to what Ried did and pretending this would is rather ridiculous. The Dems aren't going to lay down here. You should already know that and you can't just tell me "politics is a dirty business" when your party does something wrong on all levels and then act outraged when Dems do. It's not gonna work that way. People aren't going to be bullied. They will get hit right back in the mouth....so yes it is a dirty game.
Obamas pick had ZERO chance of getting confirmed ZERO. Just as the Democrats would do if the roles were reversed. ZERO SHOT! Changing our institutions to help your side out because you haven't been able to recapture the Senate will not happen yet that is how you Liberals see America. A country and institutions that need to be changed to benefit your warped power grab. Ruth Ginsberg died. The Supreme Court seat is open, the President has a constitutional duty to name a Justice and BECAUSE the Senate is controlled by the Republicans and the dumb shyt Reid did in 2013, the nominee will be confirmed. Suck it.
 
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Obamas pick had ZERO chance of getting confirmed ZERO. Just as the Democrats would do if the roles were reversed. ZERO SHOT! Changing our institutions to help your side out because you haven't been able to recapture the Senate will not happen yet that is how you Liberals see America. A country and institutions that need to be changed to benefit your warped power grab. Ruth Ginsberg died. The Supreme Court seat is open, the President has a constitutional duty to name a Justice and BECAUSE the Senate is controlled by the Republicans and the dumb shyt Reid did in 2013, the nominee will be confirmed. Suck it.
Stop your BULLSHIT! It's not for the Republicans to decide what a hearing will result in...nor is it for you. We have a process for a reason. You bring it to a hearing. Then they vote. You don't just dismiss a legitimate nomination.
 
Stop your BULLSHIT! It's not for the Republicans to decide what a hearing will result in...nor is it for you. We have a process for a reason. You bring it to a hearing. Then they vote. You don't just dismiss a legitimate nomination.
[/Q Yes they do check history. It's a legitimate nomination to you but not to them. Sorry Charlie.
 


Dude.... seriously. I don't believe you are that stupid. They called it illegitimate because it was in an election year no? Sound familiar? Can't have it both ways. If it's legit now it's legit then.
 
It’s probably related to right wingers playing politics with Obama’s last scotus pick. When you brazenly cheat you should expect brazen retribution.

Beyond that, it’s actually a great idea to cycle more justices in and out to keep things fresh and up to date with social norms.
I agree, I dont believe Supreme Court should be a lifetime appointment. Maybe 10 years.
However stacking the court isnt keeping it up to date, The Constitution is just that, not one individual judges current interpretation of the law, based on his personal or political opinions.
Lastly.
THERE IS NO CHEATING.
Dems fuked themselves with the filibuster, creating simple majority.
If situation was reversed you can bet your life Dems would be doing EXACTLY the same thing.
Bottom line, Dems tried to pull a fast one with Harry Reid and it came back to bite em in the ass.
52 MORE. Months
 
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I agree. But the Republicans are playing hardball and the democrats need to fight fire with fire. What the OP conveniently failed to mention was that McConnell simply refused to consider almost every single judge Obama put forward no matter what. So Harry Reid did change the rules for judges other than the Supreme Court. McConnell then refused to even consider a moderate nominee for the Supreme Court with the excuse that it was an election year. Then when they couldn't get 60 for Gorsich they changed the rules for the Supreme Court. Now it's all good to confirm a Supreme Court nominee in an election year.

So clearly McConnell is playing hardball and is very effective at it. Democrats need to respond. If they win the senate they better not confirm one single judge in the next congress unless Biden is president. If they have the senate and Biden is president then they also need to expand and pack the court. It's a shame that it would come to that but we're here. And it all goes back to McConnell's refusal to consider anyone that Obama put up. Yes both parties have fault here but the Republicans have taken it to the extreme.
It reminds me of debates here. You take shots and then you give shots and after that you start going on my facebook page and look to get personal with me and my family and friends. That's a bridge too far. You escalated the matter to the point were now I just dont GAF......and this behavior is not going to be tolerated. Its going to end one way or another.

This think with the judge is the same thing. You can't go back and expect two opposing parties not to take shots at each other that are dirty but there is as such thing as a bridge too far. When you do that you can expect the gloves to come off and there is no turning back.
 
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It reminds me of debates here. You take shots and then you give shots and after that you start going on my facebook page and look to get personal with me and my family and friends. That's a bridge too far. You escalated the matter to the point were now I just dont GAF......and this behavior is not going to be tolerated. Its going to end one way or another.

This think with the judge is the same thing. You can't go back and expect two opposing parties not to take shots at each other that are dirty but there is as such thing as a bridge too far. When you do that you can expect the gloves to come off and there is no turning back.
CD the gloves are off because the Obama administration spied on the Trump campaign during the 2016 election.
The gloves are off because the Democrats dragged this country thru 3.5 years of hell with Russian collusion hoax investigations costing millions of dollars and complete waste of time.
The gloves are off because the Democrats brought forth some old hag and tried to ruin Kavanaughs life.
The gloves are off because the Democrats conducted a sham impeachment for the 1st time in our history where only 1 party in the House voted to conduct the impeachment.
Now here you are talking about when the gloves come off................?
 
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CD the gloves are off because the Obama administration spied on the Trump campaign during the 2016 election.
The gloves are off because the Democrats dragged this country thru 3.5 years of hell with Russian collusion hoax investigations costing millions of dollars and complete waste of time.
The gloves are off because the Democrats brought forth some old hag and tried to ruin Kavanaughs life.
The gloves are off because the Democrats conducted a sham impeachment for the 1st time in our history where only 1 party in the House voted to conduct the impeachment.
Now here you are talking about when the gloves come off................?
That's only more bullshit because the fact of the matter is the Trump administration raised the right flags and were found guilty. Obama had nothing to do with it. The intelligence agencies are not going to allow the criminal activity (They even pleaded guilty to multiple times) to not be checked....and I don't GAF if they don't like this fact. Russia is an American enemy. Always will be.....so any administration trying to conspire with them needs to be checked.

All you are doing here is looking for excuses....but they do not hold water.
 
That's only more bullshit because the fact of the matter is the Trump administration raised the right flags and were found guilty. Obama had nothing to do with it. The intelligence agencies are not going to allow the criminal activity (They even pleaded guilty to multiple times) to not be checked....and I don't GAF if they don't like this fact. Russia is an American enemy. Always will be.....so any administration trying to conspire with them needs to be checked.

All you are doing here is looking for excuses....but they do not hold water.
52 more months of watching “DO NOTHING DEMS” do nothing except whine and bitch about Trump!
 
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