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WTH is going on? I have never seen it so bad. Oregon, Colorado, California, Arizona. Something is very wrong with the way we handle Forests and manage them. I have always wondered year after year why we have not devised a way / fleet of dealing with these yearly fires. Why don't we have a huge fleet of planes that can dump water or retardant on these fires?
 
WTH is going on? I have never seen it so bad. Oregon, Colorado, California, Arizona. Something is very wrong with the way we handle Forests and manage them. I have always wondered year after year why we have not devised a way / fleet of dealing with these yearly fires. Why don't we have a huge fleet of planes that can dump water or retardant on these fires?
It’s the dead brush that is not being cleaned out and the.catching on fire near power lines and roads on California.
 
It’s the dead brush that is not being cleaned out and the.catching on fire near power lines and roads on California.
It's stupid already and it's every year. I have friends out in Aspen they go 6 weeks every summer. They tell me the smoke is terrible.
 
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WTH is going on? I have never seen it so bad. Oregon, Colorado, California, Arizona. Something is very wrong with the way we handle Forests and manage them. I have always wondered year after year why we have not devised a way / fleet of dealing with these yearly fires. Why don't we have a huge fleet of planes that can dump water or retardant on these fires?
Gives more credence to global warming.
 
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It’s the dead brush that is not being cleaned out and the.catching on fire near power lines and roads on California.
Conclusory.

Lack of rain is the primary culprit as super dry conditions create tinder across vast stretches of forests and grasslands which are so prevalent across the American West. Rainfall this year in the West is at 30% of annual levels. In those conditions, any “spark” can start a raging fire, eg a car bumper scraping on the pavement, an untended camping fire, a thrown cigarette, dry lightning, a downed powerline, etc. If a new fire is fueled by high, dry winds, the firefighters have no hope of putting it out or even containing it. The fire quickly consumes all fuel (dry grasslands, dry trees) in its path.

Populated areas built near grasslands and dry forests are easy targets. Firefighters clear “firebreaks” to protect homes. These won’t stop the fires but perhaps will steer them towards less populated areas.
 
Gives more credence to global warming.
LMAO, everything is PC, racist, or global warming.
How about earth, which is hundreds of millions of years old, simply going thru a “blink of an eye” in her life, of extreme weather.????
How about that????? Eh??????????
Nah, you all are always pointing fingers, looking to place blame on everything but reality &
yourselves.!

Seriously, WTF is wrong with you liberal pussified douchbags???
 
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It’s the dead brush that is not being cleaned out and the.catching on fire near power lines and roads on California.
True … these fires are somewhat preventable , but once again , government gets in the way … my buddy is top advisor to Newsom on this issue , and the stories he can tell … dead brush not being removers due to idiotic laws is the root cause of these fires
 
Conclusory.

Lack of rain is the primary culprit as super dry conditions create tinder across vast stretches of forests and grasslands which are so prevalent across the American West. Rainfall this year in the West is at 30% of annual levels. In those conditions, any “spark” can start a raging fire, eg a car bumper scraping on the pavement, an untended camping fire, a thrown cigarette, dry lightning, a downed powerline, etc. If a new fire is fueled by high, dry winds, the firefighters have no hope of putting it out or even containing it. The fire quickly consumes all fuel (dry grasslands, dry trees) in its path.

Populated areas built near grasslands and dry forests are easy targets. Firefighters clear “firebreaks” to protect homes. These won’t stop the fires but perhaps will steer them towards less populated areas.
All true and we have the pacific ocean just sitting to the west. Maybe a few water pipelines might help? Just thinking out loud. Where is the fleet of air plane tankers to carry water and retardant? I mean yes you are correct on the causation but we need more focus on the cure and defense. It's happening every year.
 
Speaking of fires, I just this moment received a text message from county officials in my area posting a “Red Flag Warning” for the 24 hours beginning at 5pm today. A Red Flag is the highest level of fire danger.

This texting service was introduced in 2017 after local fires devastated both rural and suburban communities. It is very helpful in that gives warnings, updates on existing fires and evacuation orders when the fires threaten homes and businesses.
 
LMAO, everything is PC, racist, or global warming.
How about earth, which is hundreds of millions of years old, simply going thru a “blink of an eye” in her life, of extreme weather.????
How about that????? Eh??????????
Nah, you all are always pointing fingers, looking to place blame on everything but reality &
yourselves.!

Seriously, WTF is wrong with you liberal pussified douchbags???
I'm not placing blame on anything, just making a valid observation. A new study says the earth is warming faster and for a longer period than it has in the last 2,ooo yrs. It also debunks a hypothesis, one cited by climate skeptics, that cyclical warming and cooling periods have occured naturally across the globe during the last 2,ooo years. The researchers say warming over the last century is a direct result of CO2 emissions and other greenhouses. And lose the arrogant attitude Ahole! You're far from the voice of reality! BTW. I don't necessarily believe in the global warming theory. I just listed their reasoning. I'm more inclined to think it's a cyclical phase, the same as you, dipshyt!
 
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True … these fires are somewhat preventable , but once again , government gets in the way … my buddy is top advisor to Newsom on this issue , and the stories he can tell … dead brush not being removers due to idiotic laws is the root cause of these fires

I don’t know about the other states, but California doesn’t practice fire science as much, especially prescribed burns. I know the southeastern U.S. uses prescribed burns at a much higher rate than the western U.S.
 
I'm not placing blame on anything, just making a valid observation. A new study says the earth is warming faster and for a longer period than it has in the last 2,ooo yrs. It also debunks a hypothesis, one cited by climate skeptics, that cyclical warming and cooling periods have occured naturally across the globe during the last 2,ooo years. The researchers say warming over the last century is a direct result of CO2 emissions and other greenhouses. And lose the arrogant attitude Ahole! You're the one placing the blame on everything but reality!
Science and medicine are political now, you can get a study to say anything. Some things I look for is who is funding the study, and if the study is peer reviewed.
 
I don’t know about the other states, but California doesn’t practice fire science as much, especially prescribed burns. I know the southeastern U.S. uses prescribed burns at a much higher rate than the western U.S.
Correct .. it’s like they want the fires .. strange
 
Science and medicine are political now, you can get a study to say anything. Some things I look for is who is funding the study, and if the study is peer reviewed.
The researchers I referred to are from the Oeschger Center for Climate Change Research at Switzerland;s University of Bern. Team leader Raphael Neukom is a paleolimnologist at Bern University. Paleolimnology is a multidisciplinary science that uses the physical, chemical and biological information preserved in sediment profiles to reconstruct past environmental conditions. I believe they are funded by Climate Change Research Grants.
 
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80 large wildfires are now in progress across the Western states. Dead brush on the side of the road does not ignite 80 large fires.

Rather, worst draught since the 1970’s has set the stage for another long and terrible fire season. Hasn’t rained in my neighborhood since March.
 
The researchers I referred to are from the Oeschger Center for Climate Change Research at Switzerland;s University of Bern. Team leader Raphael Neukom is a paleolimnologist at Bern University. Paleolimnology is a multidisciplinary science that uses the physical, chemical and biological information preserved in sediment profiles to reconstruct past environmental conditions. I believe they are funded by Climate Change Research Grants.
That sounds like the type of egghead group that studies fish fossils to understand why dogs pee on fire hydrants.
 
That sounds like the type of egghead group that studies fish fossils to understand why dogs pee on fire hydrants.
Typical stupid and uninformed comment. They are a leading climate research center that serves as the umbrella for the collaboration of around 250 climate researchers from a wide range of disciplines. Why don't you try doing some research before posting your wise-ass nonsense?
 
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WTH is going on? I have never seen it so bad. Oregon, Colorado, California, Arizona. Something is very wrong with the way we handle Forests and manage them. I have always wondered year after year why we have not devised a way / fleet of dealing with these yearly fires. Why don't we have a huge fleet of planes that can dump water or retardant on these fires?
Obama's. Policies. Things got wetter under Trump,but have gotten worse under Biden. However @CashvilleCane1 says God will take care of it! So now I feel better
 
WTH is going on? I have never seen it so bad. Oregon, Colorado, California, Arizona. Something is very wrong with the way we handle Forests and manage them. I have always wondered year after year why we have not devised a way / fleet of dealing with these yearly fires. Why don't we have a huge fleet of planes that can dump water or retardant on these fires?
I used to live in Cali when I was younger and for whatever reasons, the canyons there are as flammable as a can of gasoline. I was out playing one day with a friend in the canyon behind my backyard and pretending we were on a camp out . I set a small fire and within minutes it was a raging inferno. The friend ran and it was impossible to put out alone. I knew I was in big trouble and afraid to go home. so I ran to the top of a hill and sat there watching as firefighters came and put it out. Learned a valuable lesson that day and never tried a stupid stunt like that again. Remembering how fast that fire exploded, I understand why the area is so susceptible to fires. I was also stationed there in the USMC and our base almost had to be evacuated due to an approaching fire. The place is a tinderbox!
 
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Typical stupid and uninformed comment. They are a leading climate research center that serves as the umbrella for the collaboration of around 250 climate researchers from a wide range of disciplines. Why don't you try doing some research before posting your wise-ass nonsense?
Re your opinion that that the random group of green weenies you spoke of:
They are a leading climate research center

I have a very difficult time taking seriously the assessment of credibility from a person that believes that a Hunter Biden "painting" is worth $500,000.
 
Re your opinion that that the random group of green weenies you spoke of:
They are a leading climate research center

I have a very difficult time taking seriously the assessment of credibility from a person that believes that a Hunter Biden "painting" is worth $500,000.
My opinion? You actually think that I know enough about climate research centers to have that much information about a specific group? You're dumber than I thought. And I don't know anything about a Hunter Biden "painting" and have never posted a word about him on this board. I ask again, Why are you too damn lazy to do any type of research before posting your ignorant comments? Look up the group I mentioned and you can read "my opinion".
 
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Democrats stopped using the term, "global warming," since they discovered the true science about it. Now they use "climate change" to scare old people to death.
Why are you addressing that to me? If you paid attention you would realize that I don't believe in the global warming theory and have posted on here that I think the warming is due to a cyclical phase. I used that term in reference to those that still believe that theory and there are many. Even scientists don't agree on this issue. I just posted an article on here about a climate research center in Switzerland that promotes the global warming theory. I guess you were'nt paying attention.
 
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Gives more credence to global warming.
If u do ur home work it will show u fires like this where as bad if not worse back in the early 1800 as where droughts..

Climate Warming is a bunch of garbage…
Other parts of the country & world do not see anything like this because they manage the forest.

Indian tribes in the past managed the forest where they lived and hunted with great success…
 
If u do ur home work it will show u fires like this where as bad if not worse back in the early 1800 as where droughts..

Climate Warming is a bunch of garbage…
Other parts of the country & world do not see anything like this because they manage the forest.

Indian tribes in the past managed the forest where they lived and hunted with great success…
You pick out one statement and use it out of context. If you paid more attention, you would realize that I have posted on here that I don't believe in global warming. And Europe is currently undergoing record flooding which is claimed to be related to global warming so I guess they haven't managed their forests as well as you think. Indian tribes managed the forest? You gotta be shytin me! Even scientists don't agree on this issue so don't act like you have all the answers. BTW. Haven't you seen the videos of Rockport, Tx. and other beach towns? The water running down their main streets is four feet deep or higher. These are beach towns and they have no forests.
 
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You pick out one statement and use it out of context. If you paid more attention, you would realize that I have posted on here that I don't believe in global warming. And Europe is currently undergoing record flooding which is claimed to be related to global warming so I guess they haven't managed their forests as well as you think. Indian tribes managed the forest? You gotta be shytin me! Even scientists don't agree on this issue so don't act like you have all the answers.
They have had flooding for ever in that region… RU kidding me..
That is what happens when u build in low lying areas it happens in Houston Texas…
Helloooo….
 
You pick out one statement and use it out of context. If you paid more attention, you would realize that I have posted on here that I don't believe in global warming. And Europe is currently undergoing record flooding which is claimed to be related to global warming so I guess they haven't managed their forests as well as you think. Indian tribes managed the forest? You gotta be shytin me! Even scientists don't agree on this issue so don't act like you have all the answers.
Yea the same so called scientist that agree on climate warming…
 
Why are you addressing that to me? If you paid attention you would realize that I don't believe in the global warming theory and have posted on here that I think the warming is due to a cyclical phase. I used that term in reference to those that still believe that theory and there are many. Even scientists don't agree on this issue. I just posted an article on here about a climate research center in Switzerland that promotes the global warming theory. I guess you were'nt paying attention.
I don't really care what you post, it was merely an observation that happens to be accurate
 
I don't really care what you post, it was merely an observation that happens to be accurate
You don't care what I post but your "observation" just happened to directly follow, right? What a coincindence!
 
They have had flooding for ever in that region… RU kidding me..
That is what happens when u build in low lying areas it happens in Houston Texas…
Helloooo….
No, I'm not kidding you. I lived in Rockport for ten years and we never had that much flooding even during hurricanes. Data from NASA satellites show that polar ice caps are melting and they are melting six times faster than in the 1990's. With polar ice caps melting comes increased rates of global warming which includes increased rates of flooding, tropical storms and hurricanes during storm season.
 
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No, I'm not kidding you. I lived in Rockport for ten years and we never had that much flooding even during hurricanes. Data from NASA satellites show that polar ice caps are melting and they are melting six times faster than in the 1990's. With polar ice caps melting comes increased rates of global warming which includes increased rates of flooding, tropical storms and hurricanes during storm season. I never believed in global warming either but since we've been discussing this and I've done more research, I'm beginning to question that. The facts are hard to deny.
 
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No, I'm not kidding you. I lived in Rockport for ten years and we never had that much flooding even during hurricanes. Data from NASA satellites show that polar ice caps are melting and they are melting six times faster than in the 1990's. With polar ice caps melting comes increased rates of global warming which includes increased rates of flooding, tropical storms and hurricanes during storm season.
Please i’ve been hearing this for 50 years..
All horse shitt..
 
Please i’ve been hearing this for 50 years..
All horse shitt..
BS, you haven't heard that polar ice caps are melting for 50 yrs. Data doesn't lie. Global warming has evolved from theory to fact. The question now is what can we do about it?
 
There has always been fires.Lewis and Clark wrote about it so there
#cashsaysgodwillfixit
 
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