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Wrong!! You got your "facts" all wrong, again. The dossier was not the only evidence used to obtain the FISA warrant for Carter Page. No matter how you and other right wingers twist the facts this investigation will continue.


Another tid bit, that document dump in July exposed another FBI and DOJ lie. It was claimed the dossier wasn’t the only evidence used,it sourced the article from Yahoo. Well Yahoo got its information from the dossier leaked by Steele, so they could open an investigation.
 
That's just it. It's founded in an idea that you tell the FISA court something we feel would have made them say no to a warrant. It's bordering on pathetic because they act like the only evidence that can be credible is what they deem credible. Not a judge. These people are sadly incorrigible. They are trying to turn our legal system into their own political kingdom.
Please provide me with the other evidence you speak of.
 
Please provide me with the other evidence you speak of.

Please read and share with Trump Nation so you guys will begin to look remotely credible when you talk. Because as it is right now you guys look like some wild laughing Hyenas without a clue:

The so-called dossier formed only a small part of the evidence used to meet the legal burden of establishing "probable cause" that Page was an agent of Russia.

The released documents contain dozens of pages that are entirely blacked out. People who have read them, including Rep. Adam Schiff, the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, say they contain secret evidence establishing ties between Page and Russians — evidence that goes beyond what was included in the dossier compiled by Christopher Steele. Frank Figliuzzi, the former FBI counterintelligence chief who is now an NBC News contributor, says that likely includes reporting from human sources and intercepted communications. Page, it should be said, denies that he was an agent of Russia and has not been charged with a crime.
 
National security experts who have reviewed the document say that even the parts that aren't blacked out contain more than enough information to provide a judge reason to rule that the FBI had probable cause to believe that Page was an agent of Russia.

Probable cause is much lower than the reasonable doubt the standard required to convict someone of a crime. "It's the probability of a possibility," said William Banks, director of the Institute for National Security and Counterterrorism at Syracuse University College of Law. Page had already appeared on the FBI's radar as a target of Russian intelligence recruitment in a separate spy case. He has acknowledged that he traveled to Moscow and met with Russian officials during the 2016 campaign. It would have been malpractice for the FBI, confronted with allegations that Page was helping the Russians, not to investigate, Figliuzzi says.
 
National security experts who have reviewed the document say that even the parts that aren't blacked out contain more than enough information to provide a judge reason to rule that the FBI had probable cause to believe that Page was an agent of Russia.

Probable cause is much lower than the reasonable doubt the standard required to convict someone of a crime. "It's the probability of a possibility," said William Banks, director of the Institute for National Security and Counterterrorism at Syracuse University College of Law. Page had already appeared on the FBI's radar as a target of Russian intelligence recruitment in a separate spy case. He has acknowledged that he traveled to Moscow and met with Russian officials during the 2016 campaign. It would have been malpractice for the FBI, confronted with allegations that Page was helping the Russians, not to investigate, Figliuzzi says.

National security experts who have reviewed the document say that even the parts that aren't blacked out contain more than enough information to provide a judge reason to rule that the FBI had probable cause to believe that Page was an agent of Russia.

Probable cause is much lower than the reasonable doubt the standard required to convict someone of a crime. "It's the probability of a possibility," said William Banks, director of the Institute for National Security and Counterterrorism at Syracuse University College of Law. Page had already appeared on the FBI's radar as a target of Russian intelligence recruitment in a separate spy case. He has acknowledged that he traveled to Moscow and met with Russian officials during the 2016 campaign. It would have been malpractice for the FBI, confronted with allegations that Page was helping the Russians, not to investigate, Figliuzzi says.


This is laughable, it reminds me of a kid waiting to do his book report on the night before it’s due: you’ve provided nothing.
 
This is laughable, it reminds me of a kid waiting to do his book report on the night before it’s due: you’ve provided nothing.
It's plenty. It is clear there is more than enough evidence to substantiate a warrant. So the warrant was granted and the warrant provided fruit. What is it about this simple procedure do you not understand. It's pretty simple but I can explain it to you. The problem is I can't understand it for you. They had what they needed and much of what was needed is redacted. Due to the fact there is something called an ongoing investigation happening.
 
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Another tid bit, that document dump in July exposed another FBI and DOJ lie. It was claimed the dossier wasn’t the only evidence used,it sourced the article from Yahoo. Well Yahoo got its information from the dossier leaked by Steele, so they could open an investigation.
Is Mueller continuing his investigation with this fake dossier? Yes!! Now stop your nonsense.
 
I understand, but it was used to spy on the Trump campaign, are you starting to get the picture ?

What's the problem with surveilling a campaign that is under suspicion for working with the Russians to defraud the US government? Do you now support criminal wrong doing?
 
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Ok, enlightened me, tel me of this other evidence you know about.

Carter Page was under FBI investigation for years for being a Russian spy. When he became one of Trump's foreign policy advisors it brought more focus on Trump's campaign thus the need for the FISA warrant. Also, George Papadopoulos spilled his guts about Hillary emails to an Australian diplomat who informed the FBI. George worked for the Trump campaign and has since pled guilty to lying to the FBI. He's awaiting sentence but is cooperating with Mueller.
 
That's just it. It's founded in an idea that you tell the FISA court something we feel would have made them say no to a warrant. It's bordering on pathetic because they act like the only evidence that can be credible is what they deem credible. Not a judge. These people are sadly incorrigible. They are trying to turn our legal system into their own political kingdom.
I really think they really don't know the facts. Remember, Fox Fake News does not give them all the facts.
 
What FISA warrant on Trump?

Alright Socrates and Plato...

The person obviously made a mistake.

We all know that the Obama Administration secretly spied on the Trump campaign. The ability to spy on the Trump campaign was a result of 3 rulings by the FISA Court. A court that was created as a result of the 9/11 Attacks.

So, no, it was not a FISA Warrant, but a FISA Court ruling that was made as a result of a Trumped Dossier created by people who were paid by the Obama DOJ and FBI and the DNC.
 
The MSM is anti-Trump as his election made them all look like fools-they haven't yet been able to get over it .Carter Page hasn't been charged with anything and its been 2 years .Its a dead end --Mueller is corrupt -his investigation of Trump
is a farce.
The economy is doing great,Unemployment is at an all time low ,small businesses are thriving due to de-regulation,manufacturing is finally returning, the GDP was 4.1 the last quarter,Isis is all but wiped out.NK is no longer firing missiles ,NATO countries are contributing more as they should be,
Our military is stronger,we are out of the Iran nuclear fiasco,( they are on the verge of economical collapse) Jerusalem is now the home of the embassy in lsrael and so on.
All of this you can thank Donald Trump for,Yet CNN and MSNBC are 92% reporting anti-Trump news .The ugly forces of the radical socialists (aka, democrats) have been and will be continually working to destroy his Presidency with no regard of the impact on the nation of their actions. What we are witnessing is mass hysteria fueled by ignorance.
 
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Alright Socrates and Plato...

The person obviously made a mistake.

We all know that the Obama Administration secretly spied on the Trump campaign. The ability to spy on the Trump campaign was a result of 3 rulings by the FISA Court. A court that was created as a result of the 9/11 Attacks.

So, no, it was not a FISA Warrant, but a FISA Court ruling that was made as a result of a Trumped Dossier created by people who were paid by the Obama DOJ and FBI and the DNC.
You ever wondered why you and so many right wingers come across as uninformed so often? You guys make mistakes in your posts all the time. Your latest post is another deranged masterpiece. Fake news!
 
I love how when the economy is doing great under Obama, we can think of everything in the world to dispell this and when Trump takes over it is doing great because of all his policies. Well, if you look at the last 18 months of the Obama administration and the first 18 months of the Trump administration it is actually doing worse in just about every metric including Jobs and the Dow.
 
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I really think they really don't know the facts. Remember, Fox Fake News does not give them all the facts.


CEMS, you would be the one who doesn’t know the facts, and it’s by choice.
 
CEMS, you would be the one who doesn’t know the facts, and it’s by choice.
You just described yourself. You are completely oblivious right now to what is common legal standard in courts of Law and have replaced it with FoxNews political talking points.

Cems is right about this. People that really don't look at fox news but in rarity see this all the time because it is a common thing on the right. You think everyone else should believe what you have decided who you follow believes. You are totally blind to the fact that courts don't give two shits about political parties and they aren't supposed to. That's how they are set up. Sure they are human but the standards they are required to follow and practice have nothing to do with what political parties purchase. It is all about credibility and only credibility....and it has to be matched with other things that are credible.

People like yourself believe that republican judges will rule all things republican regardless of the evidence before them and to people like us that is laughable. Stop completely ignoring our judicial system and what our legal standards are.
 
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I guess you haven’t figured out the standard for a FISA is higher, it’s funny when you and CEMS don’t know what you’re talking about ,it’s right winger and FOX fake news.
 
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I guess you haven’t figured out the standard for a FISA is higher, it’s funny when you and CEMS don’t know what you’re talking about ,it’s right winger and FOX fake news.

So do you believe 4 Republican judges, who earned the responsibility to determine the validity of FISA warrants through likely strong academic and performance backgrounds, approved the FISA warrants through negligence or bc they are part of the “deep state” trying to take down Trump?
 
So do you believe 4 Republican judges, who earned the responsibility to determine the validity of FISA warrants through likely strong academic and performance backgrounds, approved the FISA warrants through negligence or bc they are part of the “deep state” trying to take down Trump?


It’s already been shown, that they weren’t aware the information wasn’t verified and was from Hillary, bought and paid for, and the other source Yahoo, was from the same source. To say they weren’t forthcoming, is an understatement. By the way the main source Steele, refused to testify in a British courtroom that the information he provided was true, he was afraid of prosecution. I’ll say this again, the standard for a FISA warrant is supposed to be tougher than a regular warrant.
 
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I guess you haven’t figured out the standard for a FISA is higher, it’s funny when you and CEMS don’t know what you’re talking about ,it’s right winger and FOX fake news.
This issue is not only about the FISA warrant which was obtained legally but rather other verifiable evidence which lead to the Mueller investigation. Stop being duped by Trump and his nonstop lying.
 
It’s already been shown, that they weren’t aware the information wasn’t verified and was from Hillary, bought and paid for, and the other source Yahoo, was from the same source. To say they weren’t forthcoming, is an understatement. By the way the main source Steele, refused to testify in a British courtroom that the information he provided was true, he was afraid of prosecution. I’ll say this again, the standard for a FISA warrant is supposed to be tougher for than a regular warrant.
Regardless of your distorted view of the facts surrounding this case the investigation continues. How will you proceed?
 
This issue is not only about the FISA warrant which was obtained legally but rather other verifiable evidence which lead to the Mueller investigation. Stop being duped by Trump and his nonstop lying.
There was no evidence, if that was the case, we would have heard of it. You’re welcome to provide this evidence you’re talking about.
 
Regardless of your distorted view of the facts surrounding this case the investigation continues. How will you proceed?


Pointing out how ilegitiment the investigation is, to CEMS.
 
I tried to to explain things to CD and Cems back then, but they weren’t having it.
 
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