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Don't care your race or party affiliation watch this N Carolina dad. This is how MOST people feel.

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Of course but they have to realize this is SWEEPING across our Country with Independents and people who think of themselves as moderate Democrats. They don't want BS. They want the children taught to read and write and science and American History. They don't want American History to be taught in a manner that points fingers at todays kids or has politics entwined in it. They also don't want sex education taught in a way that is inappropriate or sexualizes it. I mean blow jobs being taught to elementary kids?
 
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My question is WHAT EXACTLY IS CRITICAL RACE THEORY? I get a different definition depending on who I ask. But if CRT is simply teaching ALL of this country's history, the good, bad and the ugly, to our children, I'm all for it.

The best way for a people to repeat history, is to not know it. I think it's critical for ALL of our children to know the atrocities of slavery, Jim Crow, Civil War. And black, white and brown children should know that although it was whites who were the slave owners and oppressors of blacks, there were also whites who fought against it along side blacks. And to this day there are many whites supporting the black cause for equality and fair treatment in this country.

That's being real and transparent with our kids........why would people not want their child to know the truth about this country? There is nothing in this country's history, that's factual, that I'd have a problem with being taught to my child.

But to pretend that none of this country's violent and racist past happened, and hide it from our children is doing a disservice to ALL of them. What better way to move this country forward with our young people, than to teach them ALL of our history so that they have an understanding of what others are feeling/thinking and work towards solutions, rather than hiding it, denying that racism still exists or slavery and oppression ever happened for that matter. That's what helps to create dissension between races........ a lack of understanding and dialog.
 
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My question is WHAT EXACTLY IS CRITICAL RACE THEORY? I get a different definition depending on who I ask. But if CRT is simply teaching ALL of this country's history, the good, bad and the ugly, to our children, I'm all for it.

The best way for a people to repeat history, is to not know it. I think it's critical for ALL of our children to know the atrocities of slavery, Jim Crow, Civil War. And black, white and brown children should know that although it was whites who were the slave owners and oppressors of blacks, there were also whites who fought against it along side blacks. And to this day there are many whites supporting the black cause for equality and fair treatment in this country.

That's being real and transparent with our kids........why would people not want their child to know the truth about this country? There is nothing in this country's history, that's factual, that I'd have a problem with being taught to my child.

But to pretend that none of this country's violent and racist past happened, and hide it from our children is doing a disservice to ALL of them. What better way to move this country forward with our young people, than to teach them ALL of our history so that they have an understanding of what others are feeling/thinking and work towards solutions, rather than hiding it, denying that racism still exists or slavery and oppression ever happened for that matter. That's what helps to create dissension between races........ a lack of understanding and dialog.
claboo I gre up in the 60's and learned plenty about slavery, The Civil War, Indian tribes and what we did to them. Remembering history is honorable, telling Black kids they are victims and white children are privlidged oppressors isn't how anyone should be teaching anything.
 
claboo I gre up in the 60's and learned plenty about slavery, The Civil War, Indian tribes and what we did to them. Remembering history is honorable, telling Black kids they are victims and white children are privlidged oppressors isn't how anyone should be teaching anything.
I would agree 100%, IF that is what CRT is doing. For some reason, I think that's your and many others interpretation, of what's specifically being communicated to these kids. I have a hard time believing an educator is blatantly telling white kids they are privileged oppressors of blacks, and telling blacks that they are victims. Just not passing the smell test.
And even if that were to happen in a few isolated incidents, I'm sure that's not the spirit of the curriculum as it was written, and those particular educators need to be reprimanded.
 
I would agree 100%, IF that is what CRT is doing. For some reason, I think that's your and many others interpretation, of what's specifically being communicated to these kids. I have a hard time believing an educator is blatantly telling white kids they are privileged oppressors of blacks, and telling blacks that they are victims. Just not passing the smell test.
And even if that were to happen in a few isolated incidents, I'm sure that's not the spirit of the curriculum as it was written, and those particular educators need to be reprimanded.
Well claboo when parents in certain districts saw the curriculum being taught to their children during the lockdown sessions, they freaked. So as much as u might be correct in your belief, so might they be. Difference is I don't have young kids anymore and I assume you haven't seen the teachings either.
 
Well claboo when parents in certain districts saw the curriculum being taught to their children during the lockdown sessions, they freaked. So as much as u might be correct in your belief, so might they be. Difference is I don't have young kids anymore and I assume you haven't seen the teachings either.
You're absolutely right, I haven't seen the curriculum, however just as some make have "freaked", I'm sure many were fine with it and even happy that it was being taught to the kids. Again, if it's factual, why oppose it?? That's all I'm saying......if it's factual use it to create understanding and dialog between the students, but make the teachings grade and age appropriate. JMOP
 
You're absolutely right, I haven't seen the curriculum, however just as some make have "freaked", I'm sure many were fine with it and even happy that it was being taught to the kids. Again, if it's factual, why oppose it?? That's all I'm saying......if it's factual use it to create understanding and dialog between the students, but make the teachings grade and age appropriate. JMOP
Claboo slavery, wars, sex, crimes are ALL factual, holocaust, but we don't tell today's German kids that they are Nazis. We don't teach that the whole world is racist. Thats not teaching, thats indoctrination.
 
Claboo slavery, wars, sex, crimes are ALL factual, holocaust, but we don't tell today's German kids that they are Nazis. We don't teach that the whole world is racist. Thats not teaching, thats indoctrination.
This is spot on the truth. The sad thing a house divided will not survive.
 
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Im 60 years old attended elementary school in the South. North Miami Beach to be exact Sabal Palm elementary off NE 6th ave. Yes Florida is / was the South. I was in 3rd or 4th grade probably 1968-69. I remember very well doing a book report on Frederick Douglas. We all had to choose a hero from slavery days. A fantastic man.
Point is I wrote that book report as Black kids were just getting bussed in, desegregation had just passed after very dark days in our Country. As I wrote that book report Blacks and Jews were still not permitted to join The Bath Club or La Gorce Country Club or numerous other golf / tennis clubs around South Florida ( don't even talk about the rest of hillbilly Florida) and Blacks were not permitted on many miles of beaches.
The Black kids bussed in were called Colored or Negroes. In my home we were NOT permitted to refer to Black people using those terms as my parents taught us that each of those terms were derogatory and if we had to refer to a Black person we simply used the term Black. As an example; Harry tell me about your new friend John Cutliffe ( a real kid in 5th grade) Well mom he's a very nice Black boy and he's my friend. If I had said he's a Negroe I would have got my ass whooped by my parents. It was FORBIDDEN!

What is my point? We were taught the horrors of slavery by White teachers and as a Jew we were also taught all people will be respected in my home UNLESS the person is a scumbag and then color didn't matter.
 
@claboo I have not heard anyone anti-CRT say that history should not be taught or sex education or any topic that is unpleasant . As a Jew we know all too well that the Holocaust needs to be taught everywhere. The method of the teaching is the point.
Further, there are some on the far left that are going WAY too far and it's well documented that some are trying to teach kids that it's ok if you are a boy but inside a girl. That if you are born a girl but identify as a boy, then thats all fine. Problem is these kids haven't even hit puberty yet. Just an example.
 
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Claboo slavery, wars, sex, crimes are ALL factual, holocaust, but we don't tell today's German kids that they are Nazis. We don't teach that the whole world is racist. Thats not teaching, thats indoctrination.
I see you are insistent with labeling kids as part of your CRT argument. My point is American history, CRT, or what ever you call it has nothing to do with putting labels on today's people, that's why it's called history.

You CAN teach a class about homosexuality without telling all the kids they are gay....just an example.

Give our youth AND educators more credit than that.

And yes, I have no problem with teaching our children about all of what slavery entails....as long as its age and grade appreciate. Same with the Holocaust.
 
I see you are insistent with labeling kids as part of your CRT argument. My point is American history, CRT, or what ever you call it has nothing to do with putting labels on today's people, that's why it's called history.

You CAN teach a class about homosexuality without telling all the kids they are gay....just an example.

Give our youth AND educators more credit than that.

And yes, I have no problem with teaching our children about all of what slavery entails....as long as its age and grade appreciate. Same with the Holocaust.
Well then we are saying the same thing.
 
Well then we are saying the same thing.
Not so sure that we are. Your argument is that educators can't teach our kids about the atrocities of slavery and racism without telling every white child that he/she IS a racist oppressor of black people, AND telling all the black kids that they are victims.......which is ridiculous and hyperbole at its finest, which those who oppose CRT want to indulge in.

Educators CAN teach Slavery, Racism, Jim Crow, Civil War, Holocaust, and all that goes with it, WITHOUT telling children this is who they are today........that's just common sense and responsible teaching.
 
Not so sure that we are. Your argument is that educators can't teach our kids about the atrocities of slavery and racism without telling every white child that he/she IS a racist oppressor of black people, AND telling all the black kids that they are victims.......which is ridiculous and hyperbole at its finest, which those who oppose CRT want to indulge in.

Educators CAN teach Slavery, Racism, Jim Crow, Civil War, Holocaust, and all that goes with it, WITHOUT telling children this is who they are today........that's just common sense and responsible teaching.
Ok so this is where we differ because that's EXACTLY what they are doing! Why do you think parents are in an uproar in Virginia, Californaia, Washington, NY just to name a few? You think parents just woke up one day and decided to get involved.? Why is this Black father in the video enraged. Don't come at me unless you are watching what's going on. Look and listen to the video. That ain't Harry bro.
 
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Not so sure that we are. Your argument is that educators can't teach our kids about the atrocities of slavery and racism without telling every white child that he/she IS a racist oppressor of black people, AND telling all the black kids that they are victims.......which is ridiculous and hyperbole at its finest, which those who oppose CRT want to indulge in.

Educators CAN teach Slavery, Racism, Jim Crow, Civil War, Holocaust, and all that goes with it, WITHOUT telling children this is who they are today........that's just common sense and responsible teaching.
Claboo,
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Your argument is that educators can't teach our kids about the atrocities of slavery and racism without telling every white child that he/she IS a racist oppressor of black people, AND telling all the black kids that they are victims
While I cannot say I have personally sat in on CRT training or teaching, from what I have read and heard from several parents, is that is exactly what the CRT curriculum is. Have you personally experienced?

Your first post on this thread was spot on about the need for discussion and honesty about our country's racial history. However I have seen far too much evidence against CRT to have any trust that its teachings and methods are an appropriate vehicle to generate productive discouse.

As is true in so many of the wrongs in the history of the world, follow the money!
https://nypost.com/2021/10/14/watchdog-probes-ethical-conflicts-tied-to-garland-son-in-law/
Merrick Garland, Attorney General of the United States has a financial interest in CRT. He failed to disclose that financial interest to congress. Why? He investigated under terrorist protocols, parents that objected to CRT teaching in their childrens schools. Does that seem a little extreme? The US spends over $750B on education annually. Any evidence that the DC political elite view CRT as a way to make themselves rich and indoctrinate a generation of children? Most people are for true understanding and moving forward in harmony for all races, colors and creeds. But there is signifigant evidence that is not the goal of CRT.

After the DOJ has treated parents that disagree with a few individuals on a school board as terrorists, possibly to protect beltway financial interests in CRT, there has been a loss of trust among many parents. When the Loudon County Va. school board that supported CRT, had a father of a daughter that was raped under school supervision was hauled off in chains, for daring to question that schoolboard, all trust was lost.

Yes, a dialogue and discussion is needed. But the CRT lobby has lost the trust of at least 50% of the population. That is not a starting point for a productive discussion. Trust in the education system must first be restored. Whether CRT is bad or not, there is no doubt its leading supporters actions have created a cause for concern amongst a large % of parents.
 
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Ok so this is where we differ because that's EXACTLY what they are doing! Why do you think parents are in an uproar in Virginia, Californaia, Washington, NY just to name a few? You think parents just woke up one day and decided to get involved.? Why is this Black father in the video enraged. Don't come at me unless you are watching what's going on. Look and listen to the video. That ain't Harry bro.
For starters this "bi racial" parent, in his words, doesn't speak for anyone but himself. Secondly, all I've seen are the groups of people who oppose CRT, predominately white of course, and groups of predominately blacks well in favor of it. Until I actually have an opportunity to review with my own eyes and ears, the curriculum, I will continue to hold my position of my initial post in this thread.
 
CRT is not really a curriculum
It’s a way of analyzing history from a certain perspective. It why people are correct when they say they aren’t teaching CRT to 3 rd graders
But what they are teaching , from a CRT perspective , is that our history had been based on a subjugation of one race by another and that it continues to this day by institutional means. Or so I think
I learned all the history I needed in public schools. I became a History major in college .
Nothing was spared as to the warts of our collective history. Was our country founded by elite white men , a majority of which were slave owners? Of course. We’re they evil people? Of course not
Our schools need to present our history in a balance way. No one supports racism .
No one should be made to feel that they are oppressors or oppressed.
Period
 
You had me half way agreeing with you....until the part about
"Were slave owners evil men.......of course not"

Well I think the slaves who tried to escape....... from being someone's slave....... who were captured, horse whipped, hung by there neck on tree limbs, and the female slaves who were routinely raped by there slave owner, MIGHT JUST DISAGREE WITH YOUR PREMISE that these were not bad guys.

This is precisely why there is a need for all of our kids to be taught real and transparent history.....so that they are not ignorant enough to think such a thing.

I'M DONE......
 
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You had me half way agreeing with you....until the part about
"Were slave owners evil men.......of course not"

Well I think the slaves who tried to escape....... from being someone's slave....... who were captured, horse whipped, hung by there neck on tree limbs, and the female slaves who were routinely raped by there slave owner, MIGHT JUST DISAGREE WITH YOUR PREMISE that these were not bad guys.

This is precisely why there is a need for all of our kids to be taught real and transparent history.....so that they are not ignorant enough to think such a thing.

I'M DONE......
I was clearly referring to our founding fathers .
Washington, Jefferson , Madison , Henry , Monroe , Jackson . The entire Virginia House of Representatives , the entire South Carolina delegation to the First Congressional conference - plus many more -slave holders all. Are kids to be taught that these men were evil ? Bad guys?
Two of them are on Mount Rushmore-
 
You had me half way agreeing with you....until the part about
"Were slave owners evil men.......of course not"

Well I think the slaves who tried to escape....... from being someone's slave....... who were captured, horse whipped, hung by there neck on tree limbs, MIGHT JUST DISAGREE WITH YOUR PREMISE that these were not bad guys.

This is precisely why there is a need for all of our kids to be taught real and transparent history.

I'M DONE......

I was clearly referring to our founding fathers .
Washington, Jefferson , Madison , Henry , Monroe , Jackson . The entire Virginia House of Representatives , the entire South Carolina delegation to the First Congressional conference - plus many more -slave holders all. Are kids to be taught that these men were evil ? Bad guys?
Two of them are on Mount Rushmore-
NO ONE who enslaves another human being is a Good Guy, whoever the hell they are.

And to be brutally honest, this country was inhabited by Native American Indians FIRST. And we know what happened to them and at the hands of whom.......not black folks.
So how can one be a founder of a land that is already occupied and claimed.

Again, another reason for transparent and honest history being taught to our youth. Not just "feel good" history for white Americans.
 
For starters this "bi racial" parent, in his words, doesn't speak for anyone but himself. Secondly, all I've seen are the groups of people who oppose CRT, predominately white of course, and groups of predominately blacks well in favor of it. Until I actually have an opportunity to review with my own eyes and ears, the curriculum, I will continue to hold my position of my initial post in this thread.
Ok get back to us when you do. Are you a father? I raised 3 boys all 3rd generation holocaust survivors. We WANT people taught about the horrors of the holocaust. How, why, and who did it to us Jews. I am positive you feel the same on slavery and other topics. No one is saying otherwise friend.
 
NO ONE who enslaves another human being is a Good Guy, whoever the hell they are.

And to be brutally honest, this country was inhabited by Native American Indians FIRST. And we know what happened to them and at the hands of whom.......not black folks.
So how can one be a founder of a land that is already occupied and claimed.

Again, another reason for transparent and honest history being taught to our youth. Not just "feel good" history for white Americans.
What is "feel good" history for White People? Your words. Words have REAL MEANING bro. There is NO feel good about slavery. None for War. None for the Holocaust. None for Native Indians. If you study Jewish history you will find nearly 5000 years of persecution. None feel good. All designed to enslave or wipe us out.
Greeks, Ottoman Empire, The Romans. Go to Rome you will find the Jewish Ghetto where we were forced to live walled in for 400 years.
Read and learn

Then you can visit the Jewish Ghetto in Venice on our tour of Italy

Jewish ghettos Venice

The Venetian Ghetto was the area of Venice in which Jews were forced to live by the government of the Venetian Republic. The English word ghetto is derived from the Jewish ghetto in Venice. The Venetian Ghetto was instituted on 29 March 1516 by decree of Doge Leonardo Loredan and the Venetian Senate.

There is no "feel good" for white folks. Everyone has a history. It isn't all peaches and cream. No one need be taught that history was all loving and sweet and nirvana. If it was, it wouldn't be taught.

That's 400 YEARS !!
 
What is "feel good" history for White People? Your words. Words have REAL MEANING bro. There is NO feel good about slavery. None for War. None for the Holocaust. None for Native Indians. If you study Jewish history you will find nearly 5000 years of persecution. None feel good. All designed to enslave or wipe us out.
Greeks, Ottoman Empire, The Romans. Go to Rome you will find the Jewish Ghetto where we were forced to live walled in for 400 years.
Read and learn

Then you can visit the Jewish Ghetto in Venice on our tour of Italy

Jewish ghettos Venice

The Venetian Ghetto was the area of Venice in which Jews were forced to live by the government of the Venetian Republic. The English word ghetto is derived from the Jewish ghetto in Venice. The Venetian Ghetto was instituted on 29 March 1516 by decree of Doge Leonardo Loredan and the Venetian Senate.

There is no "feel good" for white folks. Everyone has a history. It isn't all peaches and cream. No one need be taught that history was all loving and sweet and nirvana. If it was, it wouldn't be taught.

That's 400 YEARS !!
Just as the atrocities of the Holocaust are taught to our kids, so should the atrocities of slavery, oppression, Jim Crow.......IN THIS COUNTRY and even more so because this is American History. Not watered down so as to make white Americans feel better about it. That's it, I'm DONE WITH this. You gentlemen enjoy......Go Canes
 
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Just as the atrocities of the Holocaust are taught to our kids, so should the atrocities of slavery, oppression, Jim Crow.......IN THIS COUNTRY. Even moreover because this is American History. Not watered down so as to make white Americans feel better about it. That's it, I'm DONE WITH this. You gentlemen enjoy......Go Canes
It is taught and has been taught for DECADES in addition we now have a full month dedicated to Black History. It's called Black History Month to be exact.

You as well................
 
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NO ONE who enslaves another human being is a Good Guy, whoever the hell they are.

And to be brutally honest, this country was inhabited by Native American Indians FIRST. And we know what happened to them and at the hands of whom.......not black folks.
So how can one be a founder of a land that is already occupied and claimed.

Again, another reason for transparent and honest history being taught to our youth. Not just "feel good" history for white Americans.
So we need to teach that the hero’s of the American revolution, the founders who established the greatest country on earth were bad people ? That’s why Youngkin got elected.
 
NO ONE who enslaves another human being is a Good Guy, whoever the hell they are.

And to be brutally honest, this country was inhabited by Native American Indians FIRST. And we know what happened to them and at the hands of whom.......not black folks.
So how can one be a founder of a land that is already occupied and claimed.

Again, another reason for transparent and honest history being taught to our youth. Not just "feel good" history for white Americans.
Actually claboo if you want truth you should learn truth. Black Soldiers participated in plenty of slaughter of Native Indian Americans post our Civil War. The thing about history is that it takes no prisoners.

African American service from the American Revolution to the Civil War helped secure freedom and citizenship, but not equality.
From the Indian Wars of the 1860s to the start of the Korean War, African Americans continued to fight bravely in every American conflict, but they served in a segregated military. It reflected the racial prejudice and exclusion of society at large.

Ironies in American Military History

After the Civil War, thousands of troops were garrisoned across the West to protect American settlers and open the frontier for westward expansion. This sparked decades of conflict known as the Indian Wars.
African American servicemen in the 9th and 10th cavalry regiments, 24th and 25th infantry regiments, known as the Buffalo Soldiers, and the Seminole Negro Indian Scouts were part of this force. Scouts were descendants of the Black Seminoles who fought during the Seminole Wars and were renowned for their tracking skills and bravery.
Roughly 12,500 African Americans served in the Army during the Indian Wars between 1866 and 1891.
One in every five cavalrymen and 8 to 10% of infantry soldiers during the Indian Wars from 1866 to 1891 were African Americans.
Buffalo soldiers and scouts fought courageously against Native American warriors such as Geronimo and Victorio. But the irony of black men fighting red men for white men, as part of U.S. policy to fight and defeat Native Americans, was not lost on these soldiers.
 
They should teach the wrongs of the world. For instance how the American native was a warrior that was at war all the time before white people. How blacks were put int slavery by other blacks in Africa. How bad Slavery was throughout man kind. Many European whites were in slavery at one time. Difference today is not the teaching of wrong but the teaching of entitlement and hate to our young minorities. Look at all the single family homes, young children out all night at clubs with no parent supervision, Flash destruction and stealing of stores, no dad’s taking responsibility, praising law breaking thugs over police officers, the list can go on and on. White man are not evil bad people are evil of all colors.Many whites spilt blood to end slavery. Black people are not evil. We need to teach right from wrong not hate. Yep a house divided will not stand. All people of all color should learn and respect each other. All Life’s Matter.
 
They should teach the wrongs of the world. For instance how the American native was a warrior that was at war all the time before white people. How blacks were put int slavery by other blacks in Africa. How bad Slavery was throughout man kind. Many European whites were in slavery at one time. Difference today is not the teaching of wrong but the teaching of entitlement and hate to our young minorities. Look at all the single family homes, young children out all night at clubs with no parent supervision, Flash destruction and stealing of stores, no dad’s taking responsibility, praising law breaking thugs over police officers, the list can go on and on. White man are not evil bad people are evil of all colors.Many whites spilt blood to end slavery. Black people are not evil. We need to teach right from wrong not hate. Yep a house divided will not stand. All people of all color should learn and respect each other. All Life’s Matter.
Look these are kids. They need a well rounded education . They aren't getting Doctorate degrees. If they want to know heavy duty in depth knowledge of a subject they can pursue it at any major university. Masters, Ph.D etc...
 
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