Of course but they have to realize this is SWEEPING across our Country with Independents and people who think of themselves as moderate Democrats. They don't want BS. They want the children taught to read and write and science and American History. They don't want American History to be taught in a manner that points fingers at todays kids or has politics entwined in it. They also don't want sex education taught in a way that is inappropriate or sexualizes it. I mean blow jobs being taught to elementary kids?crickets from the dims.
claboo I gre up in the 60's and learned plenty about slavery, The Civil War, Indian tribes and what we did to them. Remembering history is honorable, telling Black kids they are victims and white children are privlidged oppressors isn't how anyone should be teaching anything.My question is WHAT EXACTLY IS CRITICAL RACE THEORY? I get a different definition depending on who I ask. But if CRT is simply teaching ALL of this country's history, the good, bad and the ugly, to our children, I'm all for it.
The best way for a people to repeat history, is to not know it. I think it's critical for ALL of our children to know the atrocities of slavery, Jim Crow, Civil War. And black, white and brown children should know that although it was whites who were the slave owners and oppressors of blacks, there were also whites who fought against it along side blacks. And to this day there are many whites supporting the black cause for equality and fair treatment in this country.
That's being real and transparent with our kids........why would people not want their child to know the truth about this country? There is nothing in this country's history, that's factual, that I'd have a problem with being taught to my child.
But to pretend that none of this country's violent and racist past happened, and hide it from our children is doing a disservice to ALL of them. What better way to move this country forward with our young people, than to teach them ALL of our history so that they have an understanding of what others are feeling/thinking and work towards solutions, rather than hiding it, denying that racism still exists or slavery and oppression ever happened for that matter. That's what helps to create dissension between races........ a lack of understanding and dialog.
I would agree 100%, IF that is what CRT is doing. For some reason, I think that's your and many others interpretation, of what's specifically being communicated to these kids. I have a hard time believing an educator is blatantly telling white kids they are privileged oppressors of blacks, and telling blacks that they are victims. Just not passing the smell test.claboo I gre up in the 60's and learned plenty about slavery, The Civil War, Indian tribes and what we did to them. Remembering history is honorable, telling Black kids they are victims and white children are privlidged oppressors isn't how anyone should be teaching anything.
Well claboo when parents in certain districts saw the curriculum being taught to their children during the lockdown sessions, they freaked. So as much as u might be correct in your belief, so might they be. Difference is I don't have young kids anymore and I assume you haven't seen the teachings either.I would agree 100%, IF that is what CRT is doing. For some reason, I think that's your and many others interpretation, of what's specifically being communicated to these kids. I have a hard time believing an educator is blatantly telling white kids they are privileged oppressors of blacks, and telling blacks that they are victims. Just not passing the smell test.
And even if that were to happen in a few isolated incidents, I'm sure that's not the spirit of the curriculum as it was written, and those particular educators need to be reprimanded.
You're absolutely right, I haven't seen the curriculum, however just as some make have "freaked", I'm sure many were fine with it and even happy that it was being taught to the kids. Again, if it's factual, why oppose it?? That's all I'm saying......if it's factual use it to create understanding and dialog between the students, but make the teachings grade and age appropriate. JMOPWell claboo when parents in certain districts saw the curriculum being taught to their children during the lockdown sessions, they freaked. So as much as u might be correct in your belief, so might they be. Difference is I don't have young kids anymore and I assume you haven't seen the teachings either.
Claboo slavery, wars, sex, crimes are ALL factual, holocaust, but we don't tell today's German kids that they are Nazis. We don't teach that the whole world is racist. Thats not teaching, thats indoctrination.You're absolutely right, I haven't seen the curriculum, however just as some make have "freaked", I'm sure many were fine with it and even happy that it was being taught to the kids. Again, if it's factual, why oppose it?? That's all I'm saying......if it's factual use it to create understanding and dialog between the students, but make the teachings grade and age appropriate. JMOP
This is spot on the truth. The sad thing a house divided will not survive.Claboo slavery, wars, sex, crimes are ALL factual, holocaust, but we don't tell today's German kids that they are Nazis. We don't teach that the whole world is racist. Thats not teaching, thats indoctrination.
I see you are insistent with labeling kids as part of your CRT argument. My point is American history, CRT, or what ever you call it has nothing to do with putting labels on today's people, that's why it's called history.Claboo slavery, wars, sex, crimes are ALL factual, holocaust, but we don't tell today's German kids that they are Nazis. We don't teach that the whole world is racist. Thats not teaching, thats indoctrination.
Well then we are saying the same thing.I see you are insistent with labeling kids as part of your CRT argument. My point is American history, CRT, or what ever you call it has nothing to do with putting labels on today's people, that's why it's called history.
You CAN teach a class about homosexuality without telling all the kids they are gay....just an example.
Give our youth AND educators more credit than that.
And yes, I have no problem with teaching our children about all of what slavery entails....as long as its age and grade appreciate. Same with the Holocaust.
Not so sure that we are. Your argument is that educators can't teach our kids about the atrocities of slavery and racism without telling every white child that he/she IS a racist oppressor of black people, AND telling all the black kids that they are victims.......which is ridiculous and hyperbole at its finest, which those who oppose CRT want to indulge in.Well then we are saying the same thing.
Ok so this is where we differ because that's EXACTLY what they are doing! Why do you think parents are in an uproar in Virginia, Californaia, Washington, NY just to name a few? You think parents just woke up one day and decided to get involved.? Why is this Black father in the video enraged. Don't come at me unless you are watching what's going on. Look and listen to the video. That ain't Harry bro.Not so sure that we are. Your argument is that educators can't teach our kids about the atrocities of slavery and racism without telling every white child that he/she IS a racist oppressor of black people, AND telling all the black kids that they are victims.......which is ridiculous and hyperbole at its finest, which those who oppose CRT want to indulge in.
Educators CAN teach Slavery, Racism, Jim Crow, Civil War, Holocaust, and all that goes with it, WITHOUT telling children this is who they are today........that's just common sense and responsible teaching.
Claboo,Not so sure that we are. Your argument is that educators can't teach our kids about the atrocities of slavery and racism without telling every white child that he/she IS a racist oppressor of black people, AND telling all the black kids that they are victims.......which is ridiculous and hyperbole at its finest, which those who oppose CRT want to indulge in.
Educators CAN teach Slavery, Racism, Jim Crow, Civil War, Holocaust, and all that goes with it, WITHOUT telling children this is who they are today........that's just common sense and responsible teaching.
For starters this "bi racial" parent, in his words, doesn't speak for anyone but himself. Secondly, all I've seen are the groups of people who oppose CRT, predominately white of course, and groups of predominately blacks well in favor of it. Until I actually have an opportunity to review with my own eyes and ears, the curriculum, I will continue to hold my position of my initial post in this thread.Ok so this is where we differ because that's EXACTLY what they are doing! Why do you think parents are in an uproar in Virginia, Californaia, Washington, NY just to name a few? You think parents just woke up one day and decided to get involved.? Why is this Black father in the video enraged. Don't come at me unless you are watching what's going on. Look and listen to the video. That ain't Harry bro.
I was clearly referring to our founding fathers .You had me half way agreeing with you....until the part about
"Were slave owners evil men.......of course not"
Well I think the slaves who tried to escape....... from being someone's slave....... who were captured, horse whipped, hung by there neck on tree limbs, and the female slaves who were routinely raped by there slave owner, MIGHT JUST DISAGREE WITH YOUR PREMISE that these were not bad guys.
This is precisely why there is a need for all of our kids to be taught real and transparent history.....so that they are not ignorant enough to think such a thing.
I'M DONE......
You had me half way agreeing with you....until the part about
"Were slave owners evil men.......of course not"
Well I think the slaves who tried to escape....... from being someone's slave....... who were captured, horse whipped, hung by there neck on tree limbs, MIGHT JUST DISAGREE WITH YOUR PREMISE that these were not bad guys.
This is precisely why there is a need for all of our kids to be taught real and transparent history.
I'M DONE......
NO ONE who enslaves another human being is a Good Guy, whoever the hell they are.I was clearly referring to our founding fathers .
Washington, Jefferson , Madison , Henry , Monroe , Jackson . The entire Virginia House of Representatives , the entire South Carolina delegation to the First Congressional conference - plus many more -slave holders all. Are kids to be taught that these men were evil ? Bad guys?
Two of them are on Mount Rushmore-
Ok get back to us when you do. Are you a father? I raised 3 boys all 3rd generation holocaust survivors. We WANT people taught about the horrors of the holocaust. How, why, and who did it to us Jews. I am positive you feel the same on slavery and other topics. No one is saying otherwise friend.For starters this "bi racial" parent, in his words, doesn't speak for anyone but himself. Secondly, all I've seen are the groups of people who oppose CRT, predominately white of course, and groups of predominately blacks well in favor of it. Until I actually have an opportunity to review with my own eyes and ears, the curriculum, I will continue to hold my position of my initial post in this thread.
What is "feel good" history for White People? Your words. Words have REAL MEANING bro. There is NO feel good about slavery. None for War. None for the Holocaust. None for Native Indians. If you study Jewish history you will find nearly 5000 years of persecution. None feel good. All designed to enslave or wipe us out.NO ONE who enslaves another human being is a Good Guy, whoever the hell they are.
And to be brutally honest, this country was inhabited by Native American Indians FIRST. And we know what happened to them and at the hands of whom.......not black folks.
So how can one be a founder of a land that is already occupied and claimed.
Again, another reason for transparent and honest history being taught to our youth. Not just "feel good" history for white Americans.
Just as the atrocities of the Holocaust are taught to our kids, so should the atrocities of slavery, oppression, Jim Crow.......IN THIS COUNTRY and even more so because this is American History. Not watered down so as to make white Americans feel better about it. That's it, I'm DONE WITH this. You gentlemen enjoy......Go CanesWhat is "feel good" history for White People? Your words. Words have REAL MEANING bro. There is NO feel good about slavery. None for War. None for the Holocaust. None for Native Indians. If you study Jewish history you will find nearly 5000 years of persecution. None feel good. All designed to enslave or wipe us out.
Greeks, Ottoman Empire, The Romans. Go to Rome you will find the Jewish Ghetto where we were forced to live walled in for 400 years.
Read and learn
Roman Ghetto - Wikipedia
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Then you can visit the Jewish Ghetto in Venice on our tour of Italy
Jewish ghettos Venice
The Venetian Ghetto was the area of Venice in which Jews were forced to live by the government of the Venetian Republic. The English word ghetto is derived from the Jewish ghetto in Venice. The Venetian Ghetto was instituted on 29 March 1516 by decree of Doge Leonardo Loredan and the Venetian Senate.
There is no "feel good" for white folks. Everyone has a history. It isn't all peaches and cream. No one need be taught that history was all loving and sweet and nirvana. If it was, it wouldn't be taught.
That's 400 YEARS !!
It is taught and has been taught for DECADES in addition we now have a full month dedicated to Black History. It's called Black History Month to be exact.Just as the atrocities of the Holocaust are taught to our kids, so should the atrocities of slavery, oppression, Jim Crow.......IN THIS COUNTRY. Even moreover because this is American History. Not watered down so as to make white Americans feel better about it. That's it, I'm DONE WITH this. You gentlemen enjoy......Go Canes
So we need to teach that the hero’s of the American revolution, the founders who established the greatest country on earth were bad people ? That’s why Youngkin got elected.NO ONE who enslaves another human being is a Good Guy, whoever the hell they are.
And to be brutally honest, this country was inhabited by Native American Indians FIRST. And we know what happened to them and at the hands of whom.......not black folks.
So how can one be a founder of a land that is already occupied and claimed.
Again, another reason for transparent and honest history being taught to our youth. Not just "feel good" history for white Americans.
Actually claboo if you want truth you should learn truth. Black Soldiers participated in plenty of slaughter of Native Indian Americans post our Civil War. The thing about history is that it takes no prisoners.NO ONE who enslaves another human being is a Good Guy, whoever the hell they are.
And to be brutally honest, this country was inhabited by Native American Indians FIRST. And we know what happened to them and at the hands of whom.......not black folks.
So how can one be a founder of a land that is already occupied and claimed.
Again, another reason for transparent and honest history being taught to our youth. Not just "feel good" history for white Americans.
Look these are kids. They need a well rounded education . They aren't getting Doctorate degrees. If they want to know heavy duty in depth knowledge of a subject they can pursue it at any major university. Masters, Ph.D etc...They should teach the wrongs of the world. For instance how the American native was a warrior that was at war all the time before white people. How blacks were put int slavery by other blacks in Africa. How bad Slavery was throughout man kind. Many European whites were in slavery at one time. Difference today is not the teaching of wrong but the teaching of entitlement and hate to our young minorities. Look at all the single family homes, young children out all night at clubs with no parent supervision, Flash destruction and stealing of stores, no dad’s taking responsibility, praising law breaking thugs over police officers, the list can go on and on. White man are not evil bad people are evil of all colors.Many whites spilt blood to end slavery. Black people are not evil. We need to teach right from wrong not hate. Yep a house divided will not stand. All people of all color should learn and respect each other. All Life’s Matter.