Hope Canes Players Don't Protest

[alanpen]

I sure hope the Canes players understand how sensitive this protest movement is becoming. With rights also come responsibilities and there will certainly be consequences to their actions should they participate themselves during the National Anthem at games.

Do they have rights, of course. The fans do also and don't be surprised if they exercise them by walking if this happens.

Sorry for the downer but thought it should be expressed!!

 

[majus12]

I sure hope the Canes players understand how sensitive this protest movement is becoming. With rights also come responsibilities and there will certainly be consequences to their actions should they participate themselves during the National Anthem at games.

Do they have rights, of course. The fans do also and don't be surprised if they exercise them by walking if this happens.

Sorry for the downer but thought it should be expressed!!

Not a chance.

 

[peynky27]

Not a chance.

Are you white?

 

[Cool Runnin']

If they do my Golden Cane donation is history.

 

[alanpen]

Are you white?

Yes I am white? Is that an issue?

 

[USMC/CANE]

Rights do have responsibility, but, we cannot shouldn't dictate how people protest. If anyone gets its, I do. But, when you begin to dictate freedoms, then they are no longer freedoms - no matter how out to lunch they may seem, they're still freedoms. This is a sensitive subject, but it's a microcosm of just how sensitive talking social relations is in the states.

It's no diffent than some arguing the 2nd amaement...would I sit or knee? No. But the police issue needs to be addressed big time.

 

[canesallday]

They have a right to protest just like I have right to think that there aholes

 

[Quise19]

If they do my Golden Cane donation is history.

Well take them and shove them. That's the problem, this issue is bigger than your donations.

 

[Zay0327]

I hope they do protest. Being a student, they prob won't be allowed to.
Like usmc stated.... I personally fought over seas so that these players (ppl in general) can have the choice (right) to protest. I even fought over seas so that the ppl that are bitching and complaining can have the right to do so. I rather ppl protest like this rather than riot.

 

[USMC/CANE]

They have a right to protest just like I have right to think that there aholes

You're correct. Perspectives drive reality. Fact is yours differs from theirs. One thing I learned long time ago was; never rationalize another mans perspective looking at from your stand point. It will never make sense. Being objective and listening to the problem will give clarity to the reason the person is angry.

 

[majus12]

Are you white?

Yes why? Does that invalidate my opinion? Protests are too bring attention to an issue.
That has been accomplished. At this point I believe it will counter productive

 

[rwhizman]

Why disrespect the flag or our national anthem.a lot of blood from all races in America was shed to keep our flag flying.there's other ways to protest.

 

[CANE1983]

Why is this still a story? Seriously?

Who gives a shit to be completely honest? How many times have you missed the anthem because you were on line for a beer? Arrived late? Were texting on your phone during?

These players want to bring attention to their issue, which is a big deal! The provincial dismissal actually only furthers their desire to protest. But I don't get why everyone is so offended. I could understand if they were turning their back, but they are kneeling down.

The great irony here is that the anthem is just a symbol. It represents America and its values. One of those values is freedom of speech. So by throwing a fit because some players want to exercise their first amendment rights (freedom of speech and peaceful protest), you are saying that you support the idea of America's values while simultaneously condemning someone for following those values.

Again, I'm not on the side or the protestors, either. I personally think they should stand; however, it doesn't affect my day one way or another. To be completely honest, they could play the Russian Anthem before the game and I'd be fine with it if we just won some damn football games.

 

[USMC/CANE]

Why disrespect the flag or our national anthem.a lot of blood from all races in America was shed to keep our flag flying.there's other ways to protest.

To be honest, the national anthem needs to be scrutinized on its intent. I take the JFK approach to things; you must be transparent in leadership and open to scrutiny. We must have reverence when needed, but nothing within good reason should be above reproach. As for the flag it is a symbol of unity, but are we really unified? Are the voices of all heard with equitable concern? In this time we are closer, but not complete. The only time we become homogeneous is during sporting appreciation, but, that dissipates once the clocks hit zero.

This country needs have a serious self evaluation that is candid and open. Why, this country is only 48 years removed from the assiniation of two men that wanted peace and foster a homogeneous society, but that dream died when they did. We have been stagnated in progress, lack of credible leadership driving us together and forward.

Perspective; the first black general in the Marine Corps just passed away. The Marine Corps has been around since 1775...we are just now moving forward out of a long and dark time in this country. Objective mindsets need to prevail on both sides. Blame should NOT be passed because the men living now did not impose the archaic and brutal laws, conversely understanding as to why there is trepidation towards others due to past transgressions is needed.

As late as the 90's discrimation in military was running rampant...objective perspective is needed, if we are to tackle this issue. It can be done.

 

[Cool Runnin']

Well take them and shove them. That's the problem, this issue is bigger than your donations.

Nah. It isn't. I won't support a crybaby entitled kid disrespecting my flag. I wouldn't put up with my son doing it and I won't put up with an athlete who I am putting through school doing it. And if enough of us don't, you won't have a football team to cheer for because those donations go directly to scholarships, nothing else. Money talks, so shove THAT.

 

[HurricaneGreen]

I Hope thoses kids do what ever they feel in their hearts is the right thing to do. Not what the majority of white America want them to do. People who are not seeing white people shot with out a weapon, shot in the back,a unarmed veteran shot dead Naked . Than the police get paid, and never charge for the crime.
Two or Three months ago, two white gang members of the Ghost FACE killers,are
Something like that where snatching a women purse in Marietta Georgia . Complete Thugs with tattoos all over their bodies. The police gave chase they shot at the police. The Police never shot back, one was caught with no mark on him, they caught the other later an did no harm to him.
Google it if you don't believe me.

 

[advarkas]

I have ZERO problem with players protesting the National Anthem for reasons THEY believe are valid and nobleworthy... Doesn't matter what I THINK... I disagree with it 100% and am offended, but just because I am offended doesn't mean I have the right to shut down someone else's LAWFUL free speech... Doesn't work that way- that is the problem with Liberals. Now, if a PRIVATE organization like an NFL team wants to take action, then that is a different matter. The Dolphins can have some sort of internal policy that says that the Dolphins as an employer require the employees i.e. the players to stand... But this notion that we should just round up people and throw them out of the country because those people exercise LAWFUL, peaceful form of free speech is beyond reproach... And this is coming from a Republican who donates to Police Departments and thinks Black Lives Matter is a total piece of shit... But I am a Constitutional Law Attorney... And a good attorney represents people on an objective level and tries to understand both sides of the issue.

 

[CFSteve]

There is zero chance of that happening because the players aren't on the field until after the national anthem .

It would be devastating to the program if that happened so the coaches are smart making sure there's no chance.

 

[Ronald1978]

For all of you who think anyone should stand up for the anthem read Francis Scott Key original version and tell me why is the star spangled banner attached to our flag?

 

[two40]

Its making blacks go back and study the position of true freedom and liberty in America.Blacks are still 3/4 human in Americas constitution.But respect a flag?Im proud of who i am and what my people fought threw that i can have something,Not a song that wasnt ment for me.

 

[CFSteve]

For all of you who think anyone should stand up for the anthem read Francis Scott Key original version and tell me why is the star spangled banner attached to our flag?

Whatever he wrote originally, thought or said doesn't mean anything at this point. The American flag, Pledge of Allegiance and the national anthem are symbols that patriotic Americans revere and honor. They all have their own meaning for each of us. To me it means I honor those who have given their lives and sacrificed so I can have freedom and liberty. And I also express gratitude for the opportunity to live in the greatest country in the world. It's not perfect, no one ever said it was.

 

[tcane58]

I sure hope the Canes players understand how sensitive this protest movement is becoming. With rights also come responsibilities and there will certainly be consequences to their actions should they participate themselves during the National Anthem at games.

Do they have rights, of course. The fans do also and don't be surprised if they exercise them by walking if this happens.

Sorry for the downer but thought it should be expressed!!

I dont see that because this team looks unified and I dont think any one wants to be a distraction.

 

[michaelmtripp_a_aol.com]

I'm pretty sure this is a non-issue, at least at home. Doesn't the band play the National Anthem before the teams come out?

As for the protests in general, I understand the anger that the players feel. It feels to them like racist cops are out there constantly getting away with murdering black people (among other things) and getting away with it due to a racist criminal justice system. It also feels to them like black people get the short end of the stick from the criminal justice system in general. Cases like the ridiculous sentence that the white Stanford swimmer got show that they certainly have evidence to back up their feelings. I'm sure if he was a black football player, he would have received a MUCH harsher sentence.

I just think that protesting the anthem/flag is protesting against the wrong thing. The country (which the flag and anthem represent) does not stand for racism and oppression. Long ago it did but thankfully it evolved and doesn't anymore.

Of course there are still racist people (some of whom are cops) in the country. They are a very low percentage of people. The problem with the type of protest they are doing is lumping the majority of people into the category of racists. That makes non-racist white people get defensive when they see the kneeling. In turn, that leads to dividing people to have arguments along racial lines instead of uniting people to confront the issue at hand.

Players could easily call attention to the issue by wearing T-shirts during post game interviews or even putting some kind of sticker with a symbol on their helmet in violation of NFL rules. Dare the NFL to fine them for trying to highlight an issue. Hell, if they went about it the right way, they could probably get the NFL involved and get approval for players that want to highlight the issue to be allowed to put a sticker on their helmet or patch on their uniform.

If some white player was a KKK member and kneeled during the anthem to protest that blacks were allowed to vote, I doubt very many "free speech advocates" would be defending his right to protest. Granted, he'd get his ass beat in the locker room but I'm trying to make a point with a hypothetical. Just because you have the right to do something, doesn't mean it is appropriate to do or the best course of action.

 

[USMC/CANE]

Its making blacks go back and study the position of true freedom and liberty in America.Blacks are still 3/4 human in Americas constitution.But respect a flag?Im proud of who i am and what my people fought threw that i can have something. Not a song that wasnt ment for me.

It's actually 3/5:60% and this is the perspective that needs to be addressed (in civil discourse) to have both sides come to a civil agreement. I admit, learning the stricken verse make me sick to my stomach. Literally sick!

 

[cdwright40]

A players decision to peacefully protest is his American right. I'm not exactly sure what you are expecting to happen if they peacefully protest. They can do that if they want to do it.

 

[m.dan]

I sure hope the Canes players understand how sensitive this protest movement is becoming. With rights also come responsibilities and there will certainly be consequences to their actions should they participate themselves during the National Anthem at games.

Do they have rights, of course. The fans do also and don't be surprised if they exercise them by walking if this happens.

Sorry for the downer but thought it should be expressed!!

Cool....that's what makes America so great!! The players AND the fans have rights..RIGHT??

 

[m.dan]

Nah. It isn't. I won't support a crybaby entitled kid disrespecting my flag. I wouldn't put up with my son doing it and I won't put up with an athlete who I am putting through school doing it. And if enough of us don't, you won't have a football team to cheer for because those donations go directly to scholarships, nothing else. Money talks, so shove THAT.

and that's the beauty of it..YOU have the right to spend YOUR money where YOU see fit...

 

[centurion20]

Great article supporting both sides - but debunking the racial undertone so many people claim the national anthem is. Who knew, FS Key a progressive?
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/31/opinions/star-spangled-banner-criticisms-opinion-clague/

 

[HurricaneGreen]

Nah. It isn't. I won't support a crybaby entitled kid disrespecting my flag. I wouldn't put up with my son doing it and I won't put up with an athlete who I am putting through school doing it. And if enough of us don't, you won't have a football team to cheer for because those donations go directly to scholarships, nothing else. Money talks, so shove THAT.

Do you really think those kid give a what, what you think. Just like those Dolphins players didn't care what you are anybody think. You guys need to get a life, are counter protest, by standing during the whole hold game, with a flag in one hand the other across your heart ,dress in red, white,and blue. If you can afford to do that.

 

[USMC/CANE]

Great article supporting both sides - but debunking the racial undertone so many people claim the national anthem is. Who knew, FS Key a progressive?
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/31/opinions/star-spangled-banner-criticisms-opinion-clague/

Wait, wait, wait, they call the Colnial Marines (escaped slaves) traitors? What?!? Lmao! Wait? What?! Traitors to who? The salve owners. Bro, in my book if you owned slaves there is zero defending that. Zero! Don't trivialize the owning of slaves. It was a dehumanizing and disgusting period in our history.

 

[3rd Cane]

Are you white?

You know what, i'm going to start boycotting prayer as well. I think we got to blame God just as much as we blame America for some unrighteous things happening.

Heavy sarcasm

Think about it!

I mean cmon, let's fight for equality but not piss on our country and the memory of this who faught for the freedom to protest in the process.....

 

[centurion20]

Wait, wait, wait, they call the Colnial Marines (escaped slaves) traitors? What?!? Lmao! Wait? What?! Traitors to who? The salve owners. Bro, in my book if you owned slaves there is zero defending that. Zero! Don't trivialize the owning of slaves. It was a dehumanizing and disgusting period in our history.

right as i said this article supports both sides. keep reading buddy.

 

[Seanloc1]

The problem with people weighing in on this issue on the negative side is they've probably never been oppressed or violated or subject to different rules or regulations or treated differently just because of the color of their skin. I've been pulled over seats thrown out my car because cops say give me a murder weapon who has the guns I've had a gun put to my head and then told you're lucky you didn't move or you would've been dead I've been talked to like a piece of shit for asking the police questions it happens everyday in poor urban communities and has been happening since before I was born. Many people who are against this protest have not experienced or lived through these things. My children have had police tell them to move on before the get Trayvon Martin treatment. If you haven't lived it don't criticize it. Open up your ears African Americans have had the same complaints for hundreds of years. I served in the military and it was the first time a person called me a ****** outright I am in law enforcement and there are people who view African Americans as garbage and those who work with them are the good few instead of the norm we need a lot of change in this country still.

 

[alanpen]

Rights do have responsibility, but, we cannot shouldn't dictate how people protest. If anyone gets its, I do. But, when you begin to dictate freedoms, then they are no longer freedoms - no matter how out to lunch they may seem, they're still freedoms. This is a sensitive subject, but it's a microcosm of just how sensitive talking social relations is in the states.

It's no diffent than some arguing the 2nd amaement...would I sit or knee? No. But the police issue needs to be addressed big time.

You are correct on all points. Those that will be put off by it will have rights as well. Those rights will also be exercised. This program has always been run in a headwind. Trust me I know. I came to games all the way back in the 70s. My point is that we do not need any further headwinds and this would surely be one.

 

[USMC/CANE]

I'm pretty sure this is a non-issue, at least at home. Doesn't the band play the National Anthem before the teams come out?

As for the protests in general, I understand the anger that the players feel. It feels to them like racist cops are out there constantly getting away with murdering black people (among other things) and getting away with it due to a racist criminal justice system. It also feels to them like black people get the short end of the stick from the criminal justice system in general. Cases like the ridiculous sentence that the white Stanford swimmer got show that they certainly have evidence to back up their feelings. I'm sure if he was a black football player, he would have received a MUCH harsher sentence.

I just think that protesting the anthem/flag is protesting against the wrong thing. The country (which the flag and anthem represent) does not stand for racism and oppression. Long ago it did but thankfully it evolved and doesn't anymore.

Of course there are still racist people (some of whom are cops) in the country. They are a very low percentage of people. The problem with the type of protest they are doing is lumping the majority of people into the category of racists. That makes non-racist white people get defensive when they see the kneeling. In turn, that leads to dividing people to have arguments along racial lines instead of uniting people to confront the issue at hand.

Players could easily call attention to the issue by wearing T-shirts during post game interviews or even putting some kind of sticker with a symbol on their helmet in violation of NFL rules. Dare the NFL to fine them for trying to highlight an issue. Hell, if they went about it the right way, they could probably get the NFL involved and get approval for players that want to highlight the issue to be allowed to put a sticker on their helmet or patch on their uniform.

If some white player was a KKK member and kneeled during the anthem to protest that blacks were allowed to vote, I doubt very many "free speech advocates" would be defending his right to protest. Granted, he'd get his ass beat in the locker room but I'm trying to make a point with a hypothetical. Just because you have the right to do something, doesn't mean it is appropriate to do or the best course of action.

As to the KKK reference; black cops have protected KKK protestors for years...I'll leave it at that.

 

[m.dan]

The problem with people weighing in on this issue on the negative side is they've probably never been oppressed or violated or subject to different rules or regulations or treated differently just because of the color of their skin. I've been pulled over seats thrown out my car because cops say give me a murder weapon who has the guns I've had a gun put to my head and then told you're lucky you didn't move or you would've been dead I've been talked to like a piece of shit for asking the police questions it happens everyday in poor urban communities and has been happening since before I was born. Many people who are against this protest have not experienced or lived through these things. My children have had police tell them to move on before the get Trayvon Martin treatment. If you haven't lived it don't criticize it. Open up your ears African Americans have had the same complaints for hundreds of years. I served in the military and it was the first time a person called me a ****** outright I am in law enforcement and there are people who view African Americans as garbage and those who work with them are the good few instead of the norm we need a lot of change in this country still.

MONEY POST!!!

 

[LOOGEY]

Are you white?

Here we go with the Racist Card, you need to save that, not on this board please is weak and laughable.

 

[USMC/CANE]

I need to get sleep. But, I'll end with this; we're way ahead of where we were just 50 years ago. But we must keep pushing forward. Our past must be taught and accepted for what it was, that's the only way to move forward. Civil discourse and objective understanding must be our center of gravity.

The military was a shit show, Ike made a massive push to integrate us. He had to undo what previous presidents did (look up what Woodrow Wilson did) and set things right. Now, after a lot of sacrifice and men putting it all on the line (all men) we have a military that fair and just. If we knuckle draggers can do it, we all can do it.

 

[Cool Runnin']

Do you really think those kid give a what, what you think. Just like those Dolphins players didn't care what you are anybody think. You guys need to get a life, are counter protest, by standing during the whole hold game, with a flag in one hand the other across your heart ,dress in red, white,and blue. If you can afford to do that.

Do you really think i give a shyte what you or those kids think? IDGAF. But guess what, without the 200 people that give at my level, you don't have a team to cheer for. So STFU.

 

[CANE1983]

You know what, i'm going to start boycotting prayer as well. I think we got to blame God just as much as we blame America for some unrighteous things happening.

Heavy sarcasm

Think about it!

I mean cmon, let's fight for equality but not piss on our country and the memory of this who faught for the freedom to protest in the process.....

One could argue that sitting idly by and not fighting for justice is pissing on the country and the memory of those who fought for freedom.