REAL talk on Polls and fake news MSM ( and others) the unmasking

[HJCane]

Happy Election Day to my fools on here. When the dust settles late tonight and over the next 5-7 days in Pennsylvania and North Carolina we will all see how FAKE, how SKEWED, how we were once again MANIPULATED and LIED to.
The Polls don't jive with our own eyes. When we are told that Biden is winning in all these swing states I say look at the excitement, the crowds, the rallies, car parades, boat parades with your own eyes. How do these polls work? Someone calls you up asks you questions, takes your answers. A statistician then makes a prediction. We know that people lie to these pollsters, we know that the polls are not always equal in the number of likely repubs and dems they survey. Could be the person taking the poll also lies.
Why wouldn't the MSM tell the truth to the people? If the FAKE news told America that Biden was getting crushed there are risks to their agenda. Biden supporters might not vote, might not show up. They can't risk that because then the "down ballot" voting for Congress and State Legislators would also be in jeopardy and the CAN NOT and WILL NOT take that risk. In 2016 we saw parades and rallies in solid Blue states NY, NJ, California for Hillary. Now we see them in Manhattan and Beverly Hills for Trump. We have seen 57,000 in BUTLER, PA for Trump, thousands and thousands in NC, AZ, Michigan, Wisconsin, Florida. So many people that thousands are turned away or line the streets. In Miami-Dade in 2016 Hillary got 624K votes to 333K for Trump. That number will change dramatically this election. The Latin vote is not going to Biden in Miami. Prior to the campaign rallies we saw generic pop up rallies form without urging from the campaign. People just forming a parade to support Trump and they were large and excited.
My eyes don't lie. This election is not as close as they make it. If Trump loses I will be shocked. These pollsters will be out of work when this one is over.

 

[majus12]

GO TRUMP

 

[ellu]

Y’all really judging how 2 million people vote because 10k people went to a rally...during a pandemic...while claiming the title of silent majority???

If it goes the other way will you accept that it was an illusion?

 

[HJCane]

Y’all really judging how 2 million people vote because 10k people went to a rally...during a pandemic...while claiming the title of silent majority???

If it goes the other way will you accept that it was an illusion?

No I will accept it as a reality, that the polls and MSM got it right. I've never had a problem with acceptance in my life. I wish more humans could say that don't you? I also am a very logical person applying it in my life and business and I see a disconnect between the polls and the excitement. Perhaps i'm blinded by wishful thinking .

 

[ellu]

No I will accept it as a reality, that the polls and MSM got it right. I've never had a problem with acceptance in my life. I wish more humans could say that don't you? I also am a very logical person applying it in my life and business and I see a disconnect between the polls and the excitement. Perhaps i'm blinded by wishful thinking .

Post of the year!

 

[HJCane]

Post of the year!

Coming up on 59 years old Ellu. It took awhile if you understand...........

 

[ellu]

Coming up on 59 years old Ellu. It took awhile if you understand...........

Respect! ✊🏾

 

[majus12]

Y’all really judging how 2 million people vote because 10k people went to a rally...during a pandemic...while claiming the title of silent majority???

If it goes the other way will you accept that it was an illusion?

It’s not an isolated rally ellu!!!
There are rally’s EVERYWHERE, EVERY STATE even in CALI.
Pfffft

 

[ellu]

It’s not an isolated rally ellu!!!
There are rally’s EVERYWHERE, EVERY STATE even in CALI.
Pfffft

What’s the population of Cali again?

 

[El Cubano]

Y’all really judging how 2 million people vote because 10k people went to a rally...during a pandemic...while claiming the title of silent majority???

If it goes the other way will you accept that it was an illusion?

Get the facts right jack... 20,000 plus ever rally...Not to mention the organic boat, Trucks, tractor and car parades of thousands of people all over this country..

And don’t forget 20-31% of Rally goers are register Dems & independent voters..!!!!

 

[ellu]

Get the facts right jack... 20,000 plus ever rally...Not to mention the organic boat, Trucks, tractor and car parades of thousands of people all over this country..

And don’t forget 20-31% of Rally goers are register Dems & independent voters..!!!!

Let’s make it 40k...does the math really support the hypothesis?

 

[El Cubano]

Let’s make it 40k...does the math really support the hypothesis?

I quess when Trump wins tonight ur theory will be proven Wrong...

 

[ellu]

I quess when Trump wins tonight ur theory will be proven Wrong...

No. My theory isn’t that Trump will lose. Anyone that thinks an incumbent can’t win is a ****ing idiot.

my point is thinking large crowds equal winning is just as dumb as the aforementioned. Bernie gets massive crowds and Biden thumped him. John Kerry’s crowds crushed George Bush, crushed him.

crowds as a metric of winning an election, especially during a pandemic, are dumb. Trumpism defeating the GOP and DNC won’t change that fact.

 

[majus12]

What’s the population of Cali again?

Way to deflect and ignore the point. Cali is simply a blue state.PERIOD.
Keep trying to ignore what your eyes tell you. Trump gets 3-35 THOUSAND per stop 5 x a day. Joey talks to dozens.

 

[ellu]

Way to deflect and ignore the point. Cali is simply a blue state.PERIOD.
Keep trying to ignore what your eyes tell you. Trump gets 3-35 THOUSAND per stop 5 x a day. Joey talks to dozens.

Did you intend to make my point? You did a great job of it.

 

[majus12]

Did you intend to make my point? You did a great job of it.

Figures you would ignore my valid and specific point

 

[ellu]

Figures you would ignore my valid and specific point

Let me understand, you were signaling that large crowd enthusiasm at rallys were tantamount to a Trump win. I simply pointed out that a massive rally was 1% of the population and generally not indicative of election success.

You then point to the massive turnouts in Cali and in doing so emphasize that Cali remains deep blue.

This is literally my point.

 

[edtuna]

No. My theory isn’t that Trump will lose. Anyone that thinks an incumbent can’t win is a ****ing idiot.

my point is thinking large crowds equal winning is just as dumb as the aforementioned. Bernie gets massive crowds and Biden thumped him. John Kerry’s crowds crushed George Bush, crushed him.

crowds as a metric of winning an election, especially during a pandemic, are dumb. Trumpism defeating the GOP and DNC won’t change that fact.

Biden Thumped Bernie??? See comments like this prove your ignorance. The only reason Bernie didn’t run away with it was because Pocahontas stayed in and split the progressive vote or Bernie would have won easily. Biden was dead 4 -5th place in Iowa NH. He is a terrible candidate even the Dems thought so. He will lose big time.

 

[hawaiian cane]

Happy Election Day to my fools on here. When the dust settles late tonight and over the next 5-7 days in Pennsylvania and North Carolina we will all see how FAKE, how SKEWED, how we were once again MANIPULATED and LIED to.
The Polls don't jive with our own eyes. When we are told that Biden is winning in all these swing states I say look at the excitement, the crowds, the rallies, car parades, boat parades with your own eyes. How do these polls work? Someone calls you up asks you questions, takes your answers. A statistician then makes a prediction. We know that people lie to these pollsters, we know that the polls are not always equal in the number of likely repubs and dems they survey. Could be the person taking the poll also lies.
Why wouldn't the MSM tell the truth to the people? If the FAKE news told America that Biden was getting crushed there are risks to their agenda. Biden supporters might not vote, might not show up. They can't risk that because then the "down ballot" voting for Congress and State Legislators would also be in jeopardy and the CAN NOT and WILL NOT take that risk. In 2016 we saw parades and rallies in solid Blue states NY, NJ, California for Hillary. Now we see them in Manhattan and Beverly Hills for Trump. We have seen 57,000 in BUTLER, PA for Trump, thousands and thousands in NC, AZ, Michigan, Wisconsin, Florida. So many people that thousands are turned away or line the streets. In Miami-Dade in 2016 Hillary got 624K votes to 333K for Trump. That number will change dramatically this election. The Latin vote is not going to Biden in Miami. Prior to the campaign rallies we saw generic pop up rallies form without urging from the campaign. People just forming a parade to support Trump and they were large and excited.
My eyes don't lie. This election is not as close as they make it. If Trump loses I will be shocked. These pollsters will be out of work when this one is over.

Polls dont mean a damn thing, unreliable

 

[majus12]

Let me understand, you were signaling that large crowd enthusiasm at rallys were tantamount to a Trump win. I simply pointed out that a massive rally was 1% of the population and generally not indicative of election success.

You then point to the massive turnouts in Cali and in doing so emphasize that Cali remains deep blue.

This is literally my point.

Typical legal masturbation. Nice try ellu.
I wasn’t simply referring to Cali, but nationwide, I merely stated EVEN IN Cali.But your condescending ass tried to twist it.
I made a simple and salient point. I’ll trust my eyes, and rally enthusiasm. There has NEVER EVER been anything like it.
NO one EVER considered Cali in play, only you would try to make a point of it.

 

[ellu]

Biden Thumped Bernie??? See comments like this prove your ignorance. The only reason Bernie didn’t run away with it was because Pocahontas stayed in and split the progressive vote or Bernie would have won easily. Biden was dead 4 -5th place in Iowa NH. He is a terrible candidate even the Dems thought so. He will lose big time.

LMBAO Bernie wasn't getting the black vote. That's a damn myth from a MAGA rally. Bernie was toast when Hillary (who black folks didn't love) got to the South in the primary. We love Joe, we associate Joe with Obama, Joe is good at the BBQ. Once they got to South Carolina it was a wrap.

Bernie with his bullshit was not getting Black women, Black Greek Letter Organizations nor Black Churches behind him.

But keep telling me how black voters vote...because I'm not involved in leadership positions with any national black organizations at all, nope, not me.

 

[edtuna]

LMBAO Bernie wasn't getting the black vote. That's a damn myth from a MAGA rally. Bernie was toast when Hillary (who black folks didn't love) got to the South in the primary. We love Joe, we associate Joe with Obama, Joe is good at the BBQ. Once they got to South Carolina it was a wrap.

Bernie with his bullshit was not getting Black women, Black Greek Letter Organizations nor Black Churches behind him.

But keep telling me how black voters vote...because I'm not involved in leadership positions with any national black organizations at all, nope, not me.

Trump is killing it on Dade county. FLorida is over. OK And Black people make up how much of the Dem party??

 

[cydneycraig]

Happy Election Day to my fools on here. When the dust settles late tonight and over the next 5-7 days in Pennsylvania and North Carolina we will all see how FAKE, how SKEWED, how we were once again MANIPULATED and LIED to.
The Polls don't jive with our own eyes. When we are told that Biden is winning in all these swing states I say look at the excitement, the crowds, the rallies, car parades, boat parades with your own eyes. How do these polls work? Someone calls you up asks you questions, takes your answers. A statistician then makes a prediction. We know that people lie to these pollsters, we know that the polls are not always equal in the number of likely repubs and dems they survey. Could be the person taking the poll also lies.
Why wouldn't the MSM tell the truth to the people? If the FAKE news told America that Biden was getting crushed there are risks to their agenda. Biden supporters might not vote, might not show up. They can't risk that because then the "down ballot" voting for Congress and State Legislators would also be in jeopardy and the CAN NOT and WILL NOT take that risk. In 2016 we saw parades and rallies in solid Blue states NY, NJ, California for Hillary. Now we see them in Manhattan and Beverly Hills for Trump. We have seen 57,000 in BUTLER, PA for Trump, thousands and thousands in NC, AZ, Michigan, Wisconsin, Florida. So many people that thousands are turned away or line the streets. In Miami-Dade in 2016 Hillary got 624K votes to 333K for Trump. That number will change dramatically this election. The Latin vote is not going to Biden in Miami. Prior to the campaign rallies we saw generic pop up rallies form without urging from the campaign. People just forming a parade to support Trump and they were large and excited.
My eyes don't lie. This election is not as close as they make it. If Trump loses I will be shocked. These pollsters will be out of work when this one is over.

Our REPUBLIC needs you to be correct

 

[ellu]

Trump is killing it on Dade county. FLorida is over. OK And Black people make up how much of the Dem party??

Simpleton, I called Florida for Trump, hell I'm frankly surprised its this close.
The black vote is the backbone of the Dem party, they were NOT voting for Bernie. Now worry about Biden, a real challenge.

 

[edtuna]

Simpleton, I called Florida for Trump, hell I'm frankly surprised its this close.
The black vote is the backbone of the Dem party, they were NOT voting for Bernie. Now worry about Biden, a real challenge.

250k lead. Close? The red wave has begun.make that up 300k in FL

 

[ellu]

Trump is killing it on Dade county. FLorida is over. OK And Black people make up how much of the Dem party??

Not a gloat, pointing out one thing, the states that flipped were all the Black vote. its the literal backbone of the DNC.

 

[HJCane]

Not a gloat, pointing out one thing, the states that flipped were all the Black vote. its the literal backbone of the DNC.

Trump was up with AA, up latins, up women, up with elderly in Florida (all I know on elderly) he got 8% AA vote in 16 and 20% in 20.

 

[ellu]

Trump was up with AA, up latins, up women, up with elderly in Florida (all I know on elderly) he got 8% AA vote in 16 and 20% in 20.

All I know is when the Dems needed to win they looked to inner city Wisconsin, Michigan and now they are looking too Philly and Pittsburgh which are...black votes. ATL is still in play too.

Again, not saying Trump was awful with blacks, hell in some states he did better than anyone, in fact its proof the black vote is important.

 

[dolcane]

All I know is when the Dems needed to win they looked to inner city Wisconsin, Michigan and now they are looking too Philly and Pittsburgh which are...black votes. ATL is still in play too.

Again, not saying Trump was awful with blacks, hell in some states he did better than anyone, in fact its proof the black vote is important.

But I’m legitimately confused. If Trump is an obvious racist as some say, why did he improve his black vote by over 30%?

 

[ellu]

But I’m legitimately confused. If Trump is an obvious racist as some say, why did he improve his black vote by over 30%?

You've never asserted bigotry by blacks? I know a bunch of black guys that hate immigration, are homophobic as a mofo, some are just sellouts. Hell the majority of revolutions that failed during slavery were...you guessed it foiled by slaves. Many of the best slave hunters? black.

So look at what 80% think, by definition the other group is miniscule. That being said, because we only make up 13% of the population, reducing our voting impact by 10% is massive.

My former boss, a sweet 60 year old black woman, has been MAGA from day one. Errbody is entitled to their own beliefs, whether Paris Denard, Lil Wayne or my cousin (avid black guy from an HBCU).

 

[HJCane]

All I know is when the Dems needed to win they looked to inner city Wisconsin, Michigan and now they are looking too Philly and Pittsburgh which are...black votes. ATL is still in play too.

Again, not saying Trump was awful with blacks, hell in some states he did better than anyone, in fact its proof the black vote is important.

It's also proof that a far larger % of Blacks do not think he's a racist and appreciated his efforts in the community these past 4 years. When you go from 8% of that demographic to 20% that's a large shift.

 

[ellu]

It's also proof that a far larger % of Blacks do not think he's a racist and appreciated his efforts in the community these past 4 years. When you go from 8% of that demographic to 20% that's a large shift.

No doubt. Probably more than that do. I know several non trumpers who don’t think he is. They also have some other extreme views too. Either way, this only reinforces how impactful the black vote is to Dems. Pealing a small percentage has kept this race from already having been called for Biden

 

[HJCane]

No doubt. Probably more than that do. I know several non trumpers who don’t think he is. They also have some other extreme views too. Either way, this only reinforces how impactful the black vote is to Dems. Pealing a small percentage has kept this race from already having been called for Biden

As it should be because in truth the Democrat party has been all talk little action and no group should be beholden to any 1 party. It's a recipe for being taken advantage of. Have to keep these politicians honest Ellu!

 

[cems52]

Way to deflect and ignore the point. Cali is simply a blue state.PERIOD.
Keep trying to ignore what your eyes tell you. Trump gets 3-35 THOUSAND per stop 5 x a day. Joey talks to dozens.

Old friend, now we see crowds don't matter.

Lol...lol
Lol...lol

 

[HJCane]

You've never asserted bigotry by blacks? I know a bunch of black guys that hate immigration, are homophobic as a mofo, some are just sellouts. Hell the majority of revolutions that failed during slavery were...you guessed it foiled by slaves. Many of the best slave hunters? black.

So look at what 80% think, by definition the other group is miniscule. That being said, because we only make up 13% of the population, reducing our voting impact by 10% is massive.

My former boss, a sweet 60 year old black woman, has been MAGA from day one. Errbody is entitled to their own beliefs, whether Paris Denard, Lil Wayne or my cousin (avid black guy from an HBCU).
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I agree with everything here except the use of the word sellouts.

 

[ellu]

fair enough but some are principled and some are just sell outs but that goes for all walks of life and is a vague term so I can concede that.

 

[HJCane]

fair enough but some are principled and some are just sell outs but that goes for all walks of life and is a vague term so I can concede that.

Don't know what sellout means in the context of one's beliefs. Now if you're speaking about kissing azz to rise up then that would be a sellout from that person to themselves because it would be fake and phony.

 

[ellu]

Don't know what sellout means in the context of one's beliefs. Now if you're speaking about kissing azz to rise up then that would be a sellout from that person to themselves because it would be fake and phony.

I was using sellout as a person who endorses policies that are opposite of their own inalienable characteristics, the closeted gay man that gives money to finance against gay rights and uses the leverage gained by his platform for his own benefit, the AA slave who is comfortable in master's quarters and informs the overseer of a coup knowing his daughter and son will be lynched as a result, that lil hunchback dude in 300 that gave up the Spartans secrets for some WAP, lol.

 

[HJCane]

I was using sellout as a person who endorses policies that are opposite of their own inalienable characteristics, the closeted gay man that gives money to finance against gay rights and uses the leverage gained by his platform for his own benefit, the AA slave who is comfortable in master's quarters and informs the overseer of a coup knowing his daughter and son will be lynched as a result, that lil hunchback dude in 300 that gave up the Spartans secrets for some WAP, lol.

300 LOL LOL! Lets win tonight F politics it's game day bro!

 

[majus12]

Old friend, now we see crowds don't matter.

Lol...lol
Lol...lol

Crowds mattered big time Cems. Like you said we will wait til ALL the dust settles.
Regardless we will have our lunch @ rustic Inn