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Really? Your actually going to compare the two? Irving doesn't run a company were 90% of the people that works for him is the very color he said he hated... GTFO!!! Jerk!
 
Asinine comparison. Irvin is not in the position of power that that asshole is in.


Insensitive comments are not the same as "why do you have to be seen with Blacks?"
 
Irvin's comments were obviously tongue and cheek and if you will a very poor attempt at what was a backhanded compliment.

A said above, he is not an owner of a team where the financial stability and profits of all teams can impacted by an idiot owner, It is why companies have clauses that allow them or force franchisees out, and i don't doubt that this would fit the bill.

Irvin in 2006 trying to be funny is in no way analogous to the clippers situation. The guy should be forced out. I hope there is not a loop hole to allow him to transfer to a family member. He can pay the fine and sell the team. Yes he will make a profit as he has had the team a long time, but he doesn't need the money as much as he needs the prestige of being in a very small group of powerful folks, i.e. NBA owners. Pretty pleased with the strong and quick response of the league.
 
Context
Context
Context

Whether we like it or not, the context in which things are said and done MATTERS.

Whites, as the majority, and more often than not in a position of power, when they make racist remarks those remarks have a different contextual meaning and power than when similar remarks come from the minority.

Like it or not it is true

Add to that this countries HISTORY of racism, this countries HISTORY of slavery, and lack of civil rights and unequal opportunity, all against blacks or people of color and U have a context in which comments from different people carry different weight.

Context matters

U can tap your good friend \ buddy, who is female, on the butt and say "nice ass".......but see what happens if U do that to a total stranger

Context matters
 
Originally posted by MCBcane:
Really? Your actually going to compare the two? Irving doesn't run a company were 90% of the people that works for him is the very color he said he hated... GTFO!!! Jerk!
Good thing Irving said it and not Irvin…whew close call
 
The ideal way this should be handled is the public boycott this racist owner and hopefully all other businesses he is involved in. Break him where it hurts most, the bank. The nba while, not bad on their part have to be carefull here. Our country allows people to be stupid. Are we going to ban owners if we find out their gay? Religious beliefs? Lots of slippery slopes here. He should get all the negative actions that may come his way, but it needs to be from the public sector as much as possible. The nba is not government. They are a business and have the right to dicipline their own. Thank god the feds are not involved. I would bash him for what he said, but defend his right to actually say stupid shittt.
 
Be careful bro on how you speak on these issues.Whites now days didnt do any harm but some of you are in .your privileged position from racist acts and we as blacks are still successful.So leave Ervin alone
 
There's no such thing as "reverse" racism. It's either racist or it's not.

That said this guy's a dumbazz. Probably always has been. Glad he got exposed, only wish it was about 35 years sooner.
 
OP has just won dumbest post in CaneSport history give him a white gown and mask and send him to Gainesville with the rest of the kissing cousins
 
100% Epic Failure by the OP for two reasons: (1) He Spells "racism", "recisem"; and (2) he believes the concept of "reverse racism" exists... It doesn't. Racism is racism irrespective of who is the person making the racist statement or act, and who is the person receiving that racist statement or act.
This post was edited on 4/29 8:55 PM by advarkas
 
Originally posted by kerem:

Context
Context
Context

Whether we like it or not, the context in which things are said and done MATTERS.

Whites, as the majority, and more often than not in a position of power, when they make racist remarks those remarks have a different contextual meaning and power than when similar remarks come from the minority.

Like it or not it is true

Add to that this countries HISTORY of racism, this countries HISTORY of slavery, and lack of civil rights and unequal opportunity, all against blacks or people of color and U have a context in which comments from different people carry different weight.

Context matters
U can tap your good friend \ buddy, who is female, on the butt and say "nice ass".......but see what happens if U do that to a total stranger
Context matters
Lol uhhh no! I would leave that judgement to those who are offended! Not sure what kind of f#cked up way of thinking you come from with that remark. As for the asshat from the LAC, had that coming to him!
 
There's no such thing as "reverse" racism. It's either racist or it's not.

That said this guy's a dumbazz. Probably always has been. Glad he got exposed, only wish it was about 35 years sooner.
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this. There is no reverse racism. There is only racism.
 
What he said was not cool but it was in the privacy of his home. When the law reaches past your front lawn when it comes to free speech that is a huge problem. This was a hit job by Johnson. He wants the team and will be given the team within the year. The words were heinous and hard to accept but I would love to put a recorder in the homes of all the celebrity's and pro athletes without their knowledge and see what we get. Be careful with this one people. This is an first amendment rights issue too.
 
Originally posted by canesdve:
What he said was not cool but it was in the privacy of his home. When the law reaches past your front lawn when it comes to free speech that is a huge problem. This was a hit job by Johnson. He wants the team and will be given the team within the year. The words were heinous and hard to accept but I would love to put a recorder in the homes of all the celebrity's and pro athletes without their knowledge and see what we get. Be careful with this one people. This is an first amendment rights issue too.
Lots of truth here... Karma caught up with ol' boy though. Defintely agree with your perspective though.
 
Originally posted by canesdve:
What he said was not cool but it was in the privacy of his home. When the law reaches past your front lawn when it comes to free speech that is a huge problem. This was a hit job by Johnson. He wants the team and will be given the team within the year. The words were heinous and hard to accept but I would love to put a recorder in the homes of all the celebrity's and pro athletes without their knowledge and see what we get. Be careful with this one people. This is an first amendment rights issue too.
two things:

1. He is not being charged legally.

2. He routinely had her record him, because he was getting forgetful and she would play back what he said so he could remember, she stated that he knew he was being recorded. Reports say we only heard a snippet of that particular interaction because they recorded all the time (more than that conversation)

This post was edited on 4/30 1:55 AM by hurricaneshaun
 
What he said was lamentable and detestable, but as Voltaire once said " I disagree with what you said, but I'll fight to the death to defend your right to say it"

Freedom of speech no longer exists in our country, unless your name is Jeremiah Wright.
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Originally posted by NCTopgoon:
What he said was lamentable and detestable, but as Voltaire once said " I disagree with what you said, but I'll fight to the death to defend your right to say it"

Freedom of speech no longer exists in our country, unless your name is Jeremiah Wright.
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Definitely tongue and Cheek but a double standard no less. Switch the roll no pun intended. I can't believe that Antrelle Roll was awarded a roads scholar while at UM, a white man must have got it on with his mom because there is no way a black football player could be capable of being that smart. Still tongue cheek?
 
Originally posted by MCBcane:
Really? Your actually going to compare the two? Irving doesn't run a company were 90% of the people that works for him is the very color he said he hated... GTFO!!! Jerk!


I guess the irony in your statement escapes you. The only thing that matters is whether people discriminate because of their beliefs or prejudices.
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Originally posted by canesdve:
What he said was not cool but it was in the privacy of his home. When the law reaches past your front lawn when it comes to free speech that is a huge problem. This was a hit job by Johnson. He wants the team and will be given the team within the year. The words were heinous and hard to accept but I would love to put a recorder in the homes of all the celebrity's and pro athletes without their knowledge and see what we get. Be careful with this one people. This is an first amendment rights issue too.
Lots of truth here..Don't know if Magic was really behind this though, he shouldn't be accused without proof.
 
Originally posted by canesdve:
What he said was not cool but it was in the privacy of his home. When the law reaches past your front lawn when it comes to free speech that is a huge problem. This was a hit job by Johnson. He wants the team and will be given the team within the year. The words were heinous and hard to accept but I would love to put a recorder in the homes of all the celebrity's and pro athletes without their knowledge and see what we get. Be careful with this one people. This is an first amendment rights issue too.
This is NOT a 1st admend issue
NOONE denied him the right to say what ever the hell he wants to say. There was no government intervention.

He is entitled to say what he wants.
Period

The governing body of his business interest is also entitled to appropriately react as their bylaws allow them to.
Period.

In no way were his LEGAL 1st admend rights violated
 
Originally posted by canesdve:
What he said was not cool but it was in the privacy of his home. When the law reaches past your front lawn when it comes to free speech that is a huge problem. This was a hit job by Johnson. He wants the team and will be given the team within the year. The words were heinous and hard to accept but I would love to put a recorder in the homes of all the celebrity's and pro athletes without their knowledge and see what we get. Be careful with this one people. This is an first amendment rights issue too.

Again, WRONG
The law did NOT reach beyond his front lawn
This is NOT a Federal or State intervention. This is NOT a criminal prosecution.

what reached beyond his front door was public opinion condemning a racist asshole and the laws and governing body of the private business entity he is a member of.
 
Originally posted by CashvilleCane1:

Originally posted by kerem:

Context
Context
Context

Whether we like it or not, the context in which things are said and done MATTERS.

Whites, as the majority, and more often than not in a position of power, when they make racist remarks those remarks have a different contextual meaning and power than when similar remarks come from the minority.

Like it or not it is true

Add to that this countries HISTORY of racism, this countries HISTORY of slavery, and lack of civil rights and unequal opportunity, all against blacks or people of color and U have a context in which comments from different people carry different weight.

Context matters
U can tap your good friend \ buddy, who is female, on the butt and say "nice ass".......but see what happens if U do that to a total stranger
Context matters
Lol uhhh no! I would leave that judgement to those who are offended! Not sure what kind of f#cked up way of thinking you come from with that remark. As for the asshat from the LAC, had that coming to him!
NOT surprising that the nuance of the argument would escape you.

That's why I tried to simplify it, dumb it down for U by putting the example of the girl with the nice ass.
 
Irvin was just a bad joke. He was trying to be funny and it did not work out. where Sterlings comments were no where near being a joke.
 
Originally posted by kerem:

Context
Context
Context

Whether we like it or not, the context in which things are said and done MATTERS.

Whites, as the majority, and more often than not in a position of power, when they make racist remarks those remarks have a different contextual meaning and power than when similar remarks come from the minority.

Like it or not it is true

Add to that this countries HISTORY of racism, this countries HISTORY of slavery, and lack of civil rights and unequal opportunity, all against blacks or people of color and U have a context in which comments from different people carry different weight.

Context matters

U can tap your good friend \ buddy, who is female, on the butt and say "nice ass".......but see what happens if U do that to a total stranger

Context matters
Thank you, Kerem. Well said, the myth of reverse racism continues. lol
 
I tend to agree with Mark Cuban.



He said forcing Sterling to sell would be un-American:



"But regardless of your background, regardless of the history they have, if we're taking something somebody said in their home and we're trying to turn it into something that leads to you being forced to divest property in any way, shape or form, that's not the United States of America. I don't want to be part of that."
 
Originally posted by NCTopgoon:

I tend to agree with Mark Cuban.



He said forcing Sterling to sell would be un-American:



"But regardless of your background, regardless of the history they have, if we're taking something somebody said in their home and we're trying to turn it into something that leads to you being forced to divest property in any way, shape or form, that's not the United States of America. I don't want to be part of that."

That's why I said yesterday that the owners will not vote to force him to sell and set a precedent that things said in private can cause you to lose your business.
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Well, first of all the concept of reverse racism doesn't exist.

Second of all in response to some of what I have read. There is a very very important aspect to what Kereem is saying. Black people are rougly 13% of the US population. To shirk this off as insignificant is a grave mistake.

Essenstially that means you may get your feeling hurt by what a black person says but you won't have any further affect more than likely.

You won't face the same levels of discrimination. This is a fact. If you come to me for example and tell me about affirmative action preventing you from getting into college. My response is going to be so, you think very small percentage of the population prevented you from going to college? This is just a ration of what blacks being a minority face on a regular bases with everything in life. Look at the unemployment rates. Look at this in socio economical terms without saying the words "race card" or "excuse".

Numbers do not lie. Math is universal. There is a reason considering our embarassing history that honestly doesn't go back too far this is amplified when concerning blacks. Yes, blacks can be racist but you would have to be pretty naive to think its effects are the same. You can get mad at being called a racist slur but that ain't exactly like being followed in the mall for no reason.

Please stop comparing the two equally because they aren't equal and the history of racism isn't the same. Hell you had Jim Crow laws in this country in the 60's. That isn't really that far back. We are talking about LAWS that are racist. Segregation.

We have a very long way to go but these ideals are passed down. There has been great progress but we still think it is a big deal to have an african american president. To me that shouldn't even be a big deal.
 
CDW, if I read you correctly, you feel that it's okay to give preference to minorities, even when they are less qualified than a non-minority. That's racial discrimination any way you cut it. Discriminating now to make up for past discrimination is flat wrong. If my son is applying for a scholarship, and has best grades and qualifications, why should that scholarship be given to a less qualified person because of their skin color?

While I fully acknowledge and lament that blacks have been discriminated against for centuries, we should be working to eliminate further discrimination, not discriminate further to try to make up for things done in the past. That's a very slippery slope. Who gets to decide when enough discrimination against whites has been reached?

Sorry dude, but reverse racial discrimination is a reality right now. I welcome you to explain how it isn't.

IMHO, ALL DISCRIMINATION, whether it be racial, gender, age, or sexual preference, should be done away with. Our constitution bans discrimination against any American, whether it was done in the past, or done now to try to "make up" for past sins.
 
Originally posted by NCTopgoon:

CDW, if I read you correctly, you feel that it's okay to give preference to minorities, even when they are less qualified than a non-minority. That's racial discrimination any way you cut it. Discriminating now to make up for past discrimination is flat wrong. If my son is applying for a scholarship, and has best grades and qualifications, why should that scholarship be given to a less qualified person because of their skin color?

While I fully acknowledge and lament that blacks have been discriminated against for centuries, we should be working to eliminate further discrimination, not discriminate further to try to make up for things done in the past. That's a very slippery slope. Who gets to decide when enough discrimination against whites has been reached?

Sorry dude, but reverse racial discrimination is a reality right now. I welcome you to explain how it isn't.

IMHO, ALL DISCRIMINATION, whether it be racial, gender, age, or sexual preference, should be done away with. Our constitution bans discrimination against any American, whether it was done in the past, or done now to try to "make up" for past sins.
Here's a quote from an article that speaks about the percentage of African American students at the University of Michigan:

According to Bloomberg's Greg Stohr, "n 2006, the last full year in which race could be directly considered in admissions, blacks accounted for 6.4 percent of the freshman class, a number that excludes foreign students. Last year, black enrollment was 4.6 percent. Hispanic enrollment fell from 5.3 percent in 2006 to 3.9 percent in 2012."

AA's have more than likely never accounted for more that 7% at UM which is probably true for most the larger Universities, yet, white folks continue to perpetuate this myth of reverse racism and whites not getting into college due to unqualified or ineligible black folks taking their spots. Where, please show me, under affirmative action does it require universities to accept unqualified black students? I swear, I'm amazed at how you guys run with rhetoric simply because it supports your position of white supremacy. Never mind all of the white students who get in due to nepotism, legacy, who they know, etc. Never mind the fact that white students still make up plus 60% of most of these Universities. Noooo, it's that 5-6% black folks who are hurting us and it's just not fair. Really? In the wake of what just happened, you can honestly say with a straight face that white corporations, business, and schools are ready to do the right thing when it comes to their hiring practice or accepting AA students? Question is, how much do you really know about the discrimination factor as it pertains to these issues? Have you ever researched it to see if its really needed or actually makes sense? Serious question I'm asking, I'm really trying to understand the thought process on this issue. Or, are you just in white man defense mode and believe anything done specifically to benefit black folks is an attack on your liberties or somehow disenfranchises you? What's the thought process here?
 

Azar, anything done specifically benefit any ethnic group is wrong. Are things done to specifically benefit whites wrong? Of course!

I'm not in defense mode any more than you are. I just think justice should be blind. Skin color should never be a factor in anything. Of course, this is only a dream. There is so much racial prejudice, both black and white, that it will never go away, at least in my lifetime.

A stat to consider..... 96% of blacks voted for the black candidate (Obama). Only 57 of whites voted for the white candidate. Would you try to tell me that color was not a factor in the black vote? Of course it was.

Racial prejudice has been with us for over 200 years and it isn't going away soon, but I've seen it getting better.
 
Originally posted by NCTopgoon:

CDW, if I read you correctly, you feel that it's okay to give preference to minorities, even when they are less qualified than a non-minority. That's racial discrimination any way you cut it. Discriminating now to make up for past discrimination is flat wrong. If my son is applying for a scholarship, and has best grades and qualifications, why should that scholarship be given to a less qualified person because of their skin color?

While I fully acknowledge and lament that blacks have been discriminated against for centuries, we should be working to eliminate further discrimination, not discriminate further to try to make up for things done in the past. That's a very slippery slope. Who gets to decide when enough discrimination against whites has been reached?

Sorry dude, but reverse racial discrimination is a reality right now. I welcome you to explain how it isn't.

IMHO, ALL DISCRIMINATION, whether it be racial, gender, age, or sexual preference, should be done away with. Our constitution bans discrimination against any American, whether it was done in the past, or done now to try to "make up" for past sins.
You don't sound like you know what affirmative action is to be honest. White people give preference all the time and still do it legally through legacy enrollments dude. There is no such thing as reverse racism. It doesn't exist. Do you think if someone donates the library to the University they aren't giving preferential treatment to their offspring? Do you think the guy on the board of trustees kid is treated like everyone else? Nobody is that Naive I hope.

You can talk all you want to talk but this puts minorities at a distinct disadvantage. Just look at the pure numbers. We are not given the same socio economic opportunities.

Affirmative Action levels the playing field because if you tell me some black dude is the reason you didn't get in to college, you don't belong in college. IT is that simple because of the vast opportunities afforded non minorities in comparison.

And by the way, you should understand that affirmative action is not discrimination. It is an attempt at diversity which benefits everyone. If you have the same exact qualifications, minorities are given the benefit of the doubt. If you want to get into college you should have better qualifications. You have more inherent opportunities. Affirmative Action is not about race.
It is about equality...and there is not equality right now. The numbers prove this point....over and over and over again.
This post was edited on 5/2 12:55 AM by cdwright40
 
Originally posted by NCTopgoon:

Azar, anything done specifically benefit any ethnic group is wrong. Are things done to specifically benefit whites wrong? Of course!

I'm not in defense mode any more than you are. I just think justice should be blind. Skin color should never be a factor in anything. Of course, this is only a dream. There is so much racial prejudice, both black and white, that it will never go away, at least in my lifetime.

A stat to consider..... 96% of blacks voted for the black candidate (Obama). Only 57 of whites voted for the white candidate. Would you try to tell me that color was not a factor in the black vote? Of course it was.

Racial prejudice has been with us for over 200 years and it isn't going away soon, but I've seen it getting better.
Ok, a few points here since you didn't really answer my questions directly, I'll try this again. Fyi, things have always been done to benefits white folks and they are still being done. So lets address your republican rhetoric first. You refer to Obama getting 96% of the black vote, we lets put this in perspective:

Carter 97%
Bill Clinton 84% & 83% respectively
John Kerry 93%
Al Gore 95%

Why didn't black folks vote for Alan Keyes, Al Sharpton, or Herman Cain? They're all black and by your logic should've received most of the black vote. Ok, so explain to me again according to these numbers how black people who've traditionally voted in majority percentages for democrats are being racist? You seemed to have breezed by my question on whether you truly believe white corporations and institutions are ready to fairly accepts or hire black people. You also neglected to say whether you've put any serious study into formulating your opinions on whether preferences are needed.

The problem with your logic, NCT, is its coming from the mindset of white supremacy cultural conditioning so you say these things such as benefits for any ethnic group is wrong as if all things are equal, have been equal, and if black were not enslaved, disenfranchised, and oppressed for over 300 years. In your privileged mine, you believe a few years of mandating that companies who were not hiring or refused to hire black people, hire them, and colleges who traditionally used discriminatory practices being forced to accept black students have made our circumstances all better and even, right? Not one special program, not one special grant, not a tax break, not even a fckn apology for the very people who made this country a wealthy superpower from the 100's of years of free labor. Imagine having a company or corp that had a free workforce for generations, what a dream, huh? You ever did a study to see what companies and institutions were created from this era of free labor? Probably not, I'd guess. Black folks deserve nothing yet you white folks have not one fckn problem with all the grants,the tax free status, free land, casinos, and all the sh*t given to Native Americans, now do you? No issue with them getting preferential treatment, right? Your talking head shows sure as hell never mentions it so I'd assume its a non issue. Noooo, they're too busy screaming about those 2% of black people being accepted into colleges or that 1% government contract being given to so called minorities via affirmative action, that's the problem. The program is not even geared specifically towards AA's, it groups all so called minorities and women. However, the focus constantly remains on how it gives black people some mythical advantage which no one has determined exactly what.

The ignorance and idiocy of racism shows the minute you apply just a little fact and truth. You haven't the slightest clue about the facts of the issue in which you speak, the only thing driving your opinion at this point is a racist ideology given to you by racist media propaganda known as Fox News and the like. I notice that everyone keep saying how racism isn't going away as if its some supernatural, omnipotent force beyond our control which is more racist propaganda, copout bullsh*t relieving white folks of any social or moral responsibility to stop being racist. The reason its not going anywhere is because white folks don't want to give it up. It's the foundation of control and white privilege, and that's the way you choose to keep it. You don't want to share power, control, or wealth with Black people and that's why it's never going away. Let's not keep throwing that statement out there without speaking about why it's not going away. It's was created and therefore, can be destroyed. It did not always exist! I think holistically and analytically from foundation of Ma'at (Truth, Justice, and Righteousness) so bullsh*t rhetoric does not fly with me. If you're not going to speak honestly, I going to call BS every time....Btw, white folks created racism longer than 200 years ago, actually closer to 400.






This post was edited on 5/2 2:10 PM by Azar
 
Yeah I think there is a grave misconception that black people support Obama blindly because he is black. There are a lot of black politicians we will NEVER support.

Blacks typically support candidates that allign themselves with minority concerns and issues. Not a tiny bit different than white people. This is a fact. Except white people have numbers so there is in inherent inequality people refer to as "the race card" lol. It isn't a card and if it were a card I wouldn't play that in my hand.

I don't care what you do. I will NEVER vote for Hermain cain or West or anyone that doesn't address issues I allign myself with. That would include all minorities not just blacks because of the inherent disadvantages.

Take women for example. If you are not alligned with womens issues you probably won't get my vote either.
 
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