So no pics of Trump throwing up the "U"???

[CashvilleCane1]

I know exactly what happened in the real estate market as I was a full time realtor from 2002 thru 2010. Yes it was under Clinton that the law was changed in the late 90's to help low income families buy a home. But of course what happened the republicans took advantage of that with deregulation ideology and took total advantage of something that was meant to help poor people reach the American Dream of being home owner and just took it to the next level for their own greedy purposes to make a buck. And I did see the movie!!! The law was not changed so that hack mortgage brokers can prey on strippers that all of a sudden think they are house flippers/real estate gurus. Back in that time the banks were so greedy and so taking advantage of the deregulation policies that they refinanced my HELOC limit to an additional $150k over the freakin phone!! No docs required. No appraisal issued. They asked me a questions what I thought my house was worth. I repeat that: they ask ME what my house was worth and I told them a random figure so I could get that increase. They put me on hold for 10 minutes and then when they came back, they said ok and I was approved. That simple. You have absolutely no idea how much fraud was going on back then. I buddy of mine was a mortgage broker and he would write his niece we was 7 years old as a tenant of an condo when someone was looking to buy a investment unit. No income verification, no job checks, no checking on where down payment money came from, 110% financing with Absolutely no docs needed other than a Fico score. Lenders approving $800,000 to families making $100k HH income KNOWING they couldn't afford it!!

Sorry but that is not what the law was written for and the greedy banks and republicans who where asleep at the wheel and could care less what Wall Street was doing with these sub prime loans could cRe less that the common man was getting ripped off!! As long as Goldman Sachs managers made there quarterly bonuses is what counted.

Try getting a loan now!! You have to provide so many documents that if you can't afford a home, you won't get approved. And thatbisbhow it should be!!! Gov't is in place to protect the people from greedy mutha ****ers like Trump who just a few years ago suckered the middle class again with "Trump University".

So please don't tell me about the real estate market. I not only worked in it, I bought a home in 1999 (after the Clinton law was changed) where I had to show proof of funds and income verification and employer letter). I bought another house in 2004 where I didn't have to show anything other than my ID and FICO score and mortgage broker just wrote in my HH income (no one checked). I bought another house in 2007 for much more than I could afford and without had test selling my previous house and the bank didn't cAre. They approved me anyways on something that I should have never been approved for. I did not have to go foreclosure or short sale route but I lost a tone of equity. I then bought my current house in 2012 and the amount of docs I had to show (3 years tax returns, check stubs, letter from employer, etc, etc) was incredible. But guess what?? It is to ensure that the real estate market does not collapse like it did back then with greedy assholes like Trump and Wall Street A-Holes who had no freakin clue what consequences would come from their greed.

I love all the inferences to suit your argument but could actually specify who changed what and when? See in a true free market when business owner / leaders make poor decisions they suffer the consequences of said actions. Not in this era where your too big to fail and owe everyone favors for donations. Say like Solyndra (sp) for example...

 

[tcane58]

I think that's the daughter Trump wants to date. SMDH. She is hot I'd do her but the thought of a father saying that about his own daughter is sick.

Slow down there Skippy. With your wit and charming personality I am sure you’re quite the Casanova, but I think the religious Jewish girl who you suggested has Nazi bloodlines might be a little insecure and intimidated around you.......lol.

 

[theUforlife]

I'll make this easy for you since you're only telling Half truths or you just don't realize what you're saying.

The real estate market wasn't caused by the republicans. The housing markets blew up because the banks were granting loans to builders who were building hundreds of spec homes without buyers and flooding the market which is kept stable by supply and demand. Way too much supply brought the market to halt and then the banks changed their regulations & made it almost impossible to borrow money.

Auto-Industry was bailed out by Bush which was a HUGE mistake. The federal govt should never get involved in private industry or subsidize it. EVER! It manipulates the markets.

Wars? We are heavily involved in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria & Lybia. Hillary was waging her own private arms race in Syria. We are now the worlds largest financier of state sponsored terrorism (Iran) & have dealt arms directly to Isis and Al-Qaeda.

I'm not sure what the trend on growth is as I haven't been keeping up with it.

Unemployment #'s are incorrect. The real number is around 12% because of all those who can no longer claim the benefits (which they don't account for).

We are a laughing stock with weak leadership!

And befor you ask I'm not a trump supporter. He will only help this country financially because it's his own billions at risk. I do believe he will bring in the right people to fill the national security positions.

His immigration stance is just not plausible. There are way more than 11-12 million illegals here. They need a path to citizenship. As for the wall I do agree because of national security. We have had members of terrorists orgs crossing the borders for years. We were picking of Hezballah members crossing the borders back in 2002-2003.

The IRS needs to go! A flat or fair sales tax needs to be employed. DEPT of education needs to go. Hell im not oppose to each state paying a % to the federal govt budget but being responsible for their own tax plans. If they want to offer a healthcare from the state then by all means.

The federal govt duplicates so much of what the state's already do. Then they offer the state federal dollars to do what the federal govt wants them to do. When the state's disagree the fed govt holds the federal tax dollars over their heads and threatens to take the money away.

You don't know shit about the Real Eatate market. Builders kept getting loans and building because lenders kept writing bogus loans to people not only regular buyers but also to fly by night condo flippers who actually thought they were the next trump and the foreign market who where either laundering cash or finding a place to park it rather than their communist/socialist countries like Venezuela or Russia. And lenders stopped lending AFTER THE Mrket crashed!!!! Not before. By then it was too late and they had been bailed out by the gov't who was now watching over who gets loans and who doesn't.

Auto Bailout-you are wrong about that too. The Auto bail out was actually a huge success. The dollars for clunkers for dealerships, which was backed by gov't money was a great kickstart to auto industry on retail level and ever since, the Auton industry has flourished. So much so that 100% of the bail out money has been returned to he gov't with interest!!!

War- Are you kidding me!!! You are going to compare our involvement currently in Middle East to what it was in 2004-2009??? Surely you are joking!! One of the republicans biggest complaints now is that we should have More involvement. Unemployment numbers are absolutely correct. It depends if you are using U-3 numbers or U-6 numbers. You are quoting U-6 numbers at 11% (not 12% by the way) and if we are going to go apples to apples, the real unemployment (U-6) in 2008/early 2009 was over 17.5%!!!! So either way, it sucked in 2008 and currently if you want a job, you can easily get one. Employers are creating jobs and hiring.

Laughing stock??? Sorry that is the republicans and Trump (not even a real Republican) brainwashing Americans. We have a positive GDP. Are dollar value is very good. Low unemployment, not in any major wars oh and by the way, Obama has captured or killed more terrorist than Bush ever did, even with his two war machines going on.

Don't believe the republican hate hype!!

 

[CashvilleCane1]

Reagan and Ollie North say hello. It's not the first and last time an administration will try to get things done without Congressional approval.

Exactly! So you've proven my point! You can't hang Ollie out to dry and then Hillary walks. Listen there are several top level guy in the FBI who are saying if the Attorney General refuses prosecution they'll turn in their papers.

 

[CashvilleCane1]

You don't know shit about the Real Eatate market. Builders kept getting loans and building because lenders kept writing bogus loans to people not only regular buyers but also to fly by night condo flippers who actually thought they were the next trump and the foreign market who where either laundering cash or finding a place to park it rather than their communist/socialist countries like Venezuela or Russia. And lenders stopped lending AFTER THE Mrket crashed!!!! Not before. By then it was too late and they had been bailed out by the gov't who was now watching over who gets loans and who doesn't.

Auto Bailout-you are wrong about that too. The Auto bail out was actually a huge success. The dollars for clunkers for dealerships, which was backed by gov't money was a great kickstart to auto industry on retail level and ever since, the Auton industry has flourished. So much so that 100% of the bail out money has been returned to he gov't with interest!!!

War- Are you kidding me!!! You are going to compare our involvement currently in Middle East to what it was in 2004-2009??? Surely you are joking!! One of the republicans biggest complaints now is that we should have More involvement. Unemployment numbers are absolutely correct. It depends if you are using U-3 numbers or U-6 numbers. You are quoting U-6 numbers at 11% (not 12% by the way) and if we are going to go apples to apples, the real unemployment (U-6) in 2008/early 2009 was over 17.5%!!!! So either way, it sucked in 2008 and currently if you want a job, you can easily get one. Employers are creating jobs and hiring.

Laughing stock??? Sorry that is the republicans and Trump (not even a real Republican) brainwashing Americans. We have a positive GDP. Are dollar value is very good. Low unemployment, not in any major wars oh and by the way, Obama has captured or killed more terrorist than Bush ever did, even with his two war machines going on.

Don't believe the republican hate hype!!

The auto industry was bailed out on taxpayers dime! Each a giant turd! At no time is that ok! Cash for clunkers was also tax payers $$$. You must be a socialist. Only a socialist would think its ok to pay for this stuff with other people's money.

 

[BreakingCane]

Exactly! So you've proven my point! You can't hang Ollie out to dry and then Hillary walks. Listen there are several top level guy in the FBI who are saying if the Attorney General refuses prosecution they'll turn in their papers.

Good. Wealthy folks and politicians get free passes. Nothing new. Ollie took it for Reagan, just like someone will take it for Hillary. It's a waste of our taxpayer and country's time on this nonsense.

 

[CashvilleCane1]

Good. Wealthy folks and politicians get free passes. Nothing new. Ollie took it for Reagan, just like someone will take it for Hillary. It's a waste of our taxpayer and country's time on this nonsense.

Why was it not a waste of time back then? Realistically speaking we have always operated in non-sanctioned operation on foreign soil. We have been doing it since the Cold War era began. Difference being is now it's politically advantageous to throw others under the bus for votes and money. This little round started with Petraeus.

 

[BreakingCane]

Why was it not a waste of time back then? Realistically speaking we have always operated in non-sanctioned operation on foreign soil. We have been doing it since the Cold War era began. Difference being is now it's politically advantageous to throw others under the bus for votes and money. This little round started with Petraeus.

It is all a waste of time. Back then and now. The partisan parade has to go tit for tat instead of getting stuff done.

 

[theUforlife]

I love all the inferences to suit your argument but could actually specify who changed what and when? See in a true free market when business owner / leaders make poor decisions they suffer the consequences of said actions. Not in this era where your too big to fail and owe everyone favors for donations. Say like Solyndra (sp) for example...

Hand out?? How about all the big banks that raped the American people and then basically blackmailed the American Gov't for a handout with a unlimited amount check.

Beleive that crap happened under the republicans who theories is basically survival of the fittest. Make as much money as you can and F-ck the rest.

But hey, you are a teacher. Let's vote in Trump so he can get rid the education department on federal level so some big wigs of big companies can make more money and buy another house in Aspen because those savings are certainly not going to trickle down the the regular worker or middle management. Will you then be happy with only your state running the education department with no help from the federal governmemt?? No more federal grants?? That less gov't you want and what Trump wants.


This is not some small business that would cost a hundred jobs or so. GM does it get a hand out and you are talking about hundreds of thousands of jobs lost. Add the banks and IAG not getting handouts and you are talking about hundreds of thousands more jobs plus loss of many billins of dollars in 401k's retirement accounts, all savings become unsecured and a depression with panic on the streets worse than the 30's. All because the lenders wanted there stock prices to continue to be inflated and mKe a few more points on each mortgage closing.

 

[theUforlife]

The auto industry was bailed out on taxpayers dime! Each a giant turd! At no time is that ok! Cash for clunkers was also tax payers $$$. You must be a socialist. Only a socialist would think its ok to pay for this stuff with other people's money.

I thought you were in education. Learn to read. It was not a hand out. It was a loan as the gov't had shares in the auto industry and most importantly IT WAS ALL PAID BACK WITH INTEREST!!!!! What don't you understand about that?? Maybe if the republicans and there less gov't and free market wouldn't have f-cked up the middle class so much to the point they couldn't afford their homes or an auto payment, we wouldn't have been in this mess.

And don't call me a socialist because you are clueless on what a socialist is. Last I checked, you can still own your home, you can still own a gun, the media can say what they want, you can still protest (unless Trump takes over and starts enforcing police state on people who protest), police cannot just come into your house and put you in jail for. I reason at all. Those are things that happen in a socialist country like Cuba or China. We can actually have this conversation. In Cuba, they would have been monitoring this and either you or I get arrested and put in prison. So please relax on that BS socialist comment. This country is far from a socialist country. Again Nother scare tactic and BS rhetoric from the republican side.

 

[801canesmxer]

This reminds be of the Shannon vs Golden threads where each side tries to prove that the other guy sucks more than their guy sucks when quite frankly, both sides suck.

 

[CashvilleCane1]

I thought you were in education. Learn to read. It was not a hand out. It was a loan as the gov't had shares in the auto industry and most importantly IT WAS ALL PAID BACK WITH INTEREST!!!!! What don't you understand about that?? Maybe if the republicans and there less gov't and free market wouldn't have f-cked up the middle class so much to the point they couldn't afford their homes or an auto payment, we wouldn't have been in this mess.

And don't call me a socialist because you are clueless on what a socialist is. Last I checked, you can still own your home, you can still own a gun, the media can say what they want, you can still protest (unless Trump takes over and starts enforcing police state on people who protest), police cannot just come into your house and put you in jail for. I reason at all. Those are things that happen in a socialist country like Cuba or China. We can actually have this conversation. In Cuba, they would have been monitoring this and either you or I get arrested and put in prison. So please relax on that BS socialist comment. This country is far from a socialist country. Again Nother scare tactic and BS rhetoric from the republican side.

First of all I see you don't distinguish between socialism and communism so you get an A+ in my book. In education? I coach football... Lol, I'm not a teacher.

There is neither bullsh#t or rhetoric in anything I've stated. We have moved many steps closer to a socialist system. We are a far cry from a free republic that we once were.

We have united under one large govt who wants to control as much as possible. Tell me I'm wrong...

 

[Cat.5 Cane]

You don't know shit about the Real Eatate market. Builders kept getting loans and building because lenders kept writing bogus loans to people not only regular buyers but also to fly by night condo flippers who actually thought they were the next trump and the foreign market who where either laundering cash or finding a place to park it rather than their communist/socialist countries like Venezuela or Russia. And lenders stopped lending AFTER THE Mrket crashed!!!! Not before. By then it was too late and they had been bailed out by the gov't who was now watching over who gets loans and who doesn't.

Auto Bailout-you are wrong about that too. The Auto bail out was actually a huge success. The dollars for clunkers for dealerships, which was backed by gov't money was a great kickstart to auto industry on retail level and ever since, the Auton industry has flourished. So much so that 100% of the bail out money has been returned to he gov't with interest!!!

War- Are you kidding me!!! You are going to compare our involvement currently in Middle East to what it was in 2004-2009??? Surely you are joking!! One of the republicans biggest complaints now is that we should have More involvement. Unemployment numbers are absolutely correct. It depends if you are using U-3 numbers or U-6 numbers. You are quoting U-6 numbers at 11% (not 12% by the way) and if we are going to go apples to apples, the real unemployment (U-6) in 2008/early 2009 was over 17.5%!!!! So either way, it sucked in 2008 and currently if you want a job, you can easily get one. Employers are creating jobs and hiring.

Laughing stock??? Sorry that is the republicans and Trump (not even a real Republican) brainwashing Americans. We have a positive GDP. Are dollar value is very good. Low unemployment, not in any major wars oh and by the way, Obama has captured or killed more terrorist than Bush ever did, even with his two war machines going on.

Don't believe the republican hate hype!![/QUOTE
You are correct. You will never get through to these blind tea baggers no matter how true the facts are. They have and will continue to convince themselves that the center/left is so wrong and the tea bagging right is never wrong. Do yourself a favor and don't engage with these nut bags.You can't reason with crazies.

 

[Caneship]

BOTTOM LINE IS;
Do you want what has made America the greatest country in history...where you are allowed to have a dream....an opinion....and hope to better your life....and better your children's life...
Or do you want a third world economy. ...same as the next guy...no hope of hard work pulling you up?...
The American middle class is being overburdened..the people who work EVERYDAY ...to give the others entitlements that dont....
We are a generous people..but enough is enough. Put chips in the bucket BEFORE you take more out....why should hard working people support lazy mfs....
Some need it ...99% dont.....
And don't give me the bernie argument...
Business owners have a right to make a profit..they are gambling with THEIR money....they create jobs...they have a right to make a marginal profit...

 

[rkrantz]

From a neutral standpoint, I don't think it's about agreeing or disagreeing necessarily. All of this tension across the nation is based off of perception - perceived threats, perceived generalizations, perceived prejudices. We're creating chaos based off of perceptions, not reality, and it becomes a vicious cycle.

Smartest post I've read regarding this subject on ANY website.

 

[rkrantz]

They probably had a job because unemployment is at 5%. Probably unemployed in 2008/2009 whe the great republican policies under Bush had our unemployment Rate at 11%. Yeah, the good old days under republican reign. Near collapse of the countries economy, two wars going full force (still waiting on weapons of mass destruction). Good idea to go back to that!! Awsome.

Trump wants to get rid of enviornment protection agency and cut education to closeto nothing but people love him because he is going to build a wall and make Mexicans pay for it and because he says "pretty terrific" all the time.

Idiot. I realize that this may be confusing to you to understand as a Liberal puppet, so I will try to simplify it for you as best I can. Unemployment is at 5% only because the other 6% of people who were being reported on Unemployment in 2008-2009 are no longer being reported. Do you know why they arent being reported anymore?? Not because they went and got jobs... but because their unemployment benefits ran out and instead they went and got a comfy spot on the couch to further receive Government Assistance.

Why work... when the Government will give you money for breathing?? All it will cost you is your dignity... and a vote. And whats dignity these days anyway?

I'd be embarrassed to be liberal.

 

[Emory Cane]

Are either of the Democratic candidates even discussing the ballooning National debt, and what their plans are to try to reign it in? Of course not. This is what I can't wrap my head around when it comes to all the millenials supporting these two. The 19 trillion dollar (and growing) debt is the single greatest threat to their ultimate chances of prosperity, and the only candidates discussing it at all are on the republican side.

 

[rkrantz]

In the court of public opinion? I'm not a Hilary fan, but I never get this argument. If that's how you classify it we're all criminals in some sense. So what?

Is there a more damning court than The Court of Public Opinion??? For a politician... that's far worse than a Court of Law.

 

[rkrantz]

Are either of the Democratic candidates even discussing the ballooning National debt, and what their plans are to try to reign it in? Of course not. This is what I can't wrap my head around when it comes to all the millenials supporting these two. The 19 trillion dollar (and growing) debt is the single greatest threat to their ultimate chances of prosperity, and the only candidates discussing it at all are on the republican side.

They arent adressing it because they dont plan to address it ever... they will sell the idea that our National Debt isnt as big an issue as it seems. The hopes of the retarded millenials is that all this debt will get washed away. Some other country will buy this debt and our country will pay it off. Won't affect them... since we will be a Socialist country at that time.

 

[JCR Cane]

Fact: US Treasury LOST $11+ Billion on its investment in GM.

 

[rkrantz]

Fact: US Treasury LOST $11+ Billion on its investment in GM.

No no no no!! They were paid in full with interest according to the Liberals!! How can one be a fact and the other fiction when both are presented as facts?!?!?

Oh yea... Liberals create their own facts with bogus numbers being reported by bogus agencies. There is no fact more clear than how full of shit a libtard is.