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Dems are moving further left.

Never say never. Immigration can be fixed with a little cooperation by all.

I didn't say it can't be fixed. I said you will never get a law or wall that will prevent 100% of illegals from entering.
 
I didn't? You admitted the government is excellent at controlling our military. Are there other things the government could do well if the people pushed for it?

Republicans believe in strong military. Who voted for increased military spending over the last 50 years? Republicans! Dems vote against it.
 
Absolutely no problem But let’s not pretend the DoD doesn’t have issues too.
Then why aren't you railing against DOD when we know billions are being wasted? Instead, you spend your time preventing families from having affordable healthcare or not properly funding our educational systems?
 
Agreed, you have to take the comprehensive approach to make the true difference.

I didn't say it can't be fixed. I said you will never get a law or wall that will prevent 100% of illegals from entering.
 
So which is it? Is the government control of the military the shining example for you or the black whole of spending when the governments in control?

Then why aren't you railing against DOD when we know billions are being wasted? Instead, you spend your time preventing families from having affordable healthcare or not properly funding our educational systems?
 
Oh yeah. You asked to see their documentation?

They can’t speak English. They are buying .99 cent natural lights and have no shoes on. Educated immigrants can speak enginsh and usually have shoes on. You can act a fool if your want but you know we are being over run, you just want to be blind and support Dems
 
It almost fell apart under Obama. Socialist don’t believe in military spending. So, if you have your way, that will fall too.

Average defense spending as a percentage of the total budget was 19% under Bush and 18% under Obama. How exactly did things almost fall apart?
 
Please, we all want a strong military but does it take spending more than the next 7 countries combined?

Well, since you just know we are #1, but really don’t know why. Look no further than what Regan said to Russia. “We’ll out spend you every time”. That’s what it takes and if we every stop we won’t be number 1. It’s that simple. How much do you think we should spend? Whatever it takes? I think so. You should wonder why Dems aren’t for it.
 
Average defense spending as a percentage of the total budget was 19% under Bush and 18% under Obama. How exactly did things almost fall apart?

Obama didn’t have a Dem congress for 6 years. They control spending. He was never for the much neeed up grades. You know it. If Dems are in control our military will fall short and if socialist are then we won’t have one period.
 
They can’t speak English. They are buying .99 cent natural lights and have no shoes on. Educated immigrants can speak enginsh and usually have shoes on. You can act a fool if your want but you know we are being over run, you just want to be blind and support Dems

Lol. Show me one legitimate source of information that shows we are being overrun. I don't think footwear and the type of beer people buy at the corner store quite supports your argument.
 
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So which is it? Is the government control of the military the shining example for you or the black whole of spending when the governments in control?
Neither. My point is you and other right wingers gloat about the government doing a great job with controlling and managing our military but does a shitty job with everything else. Perhaps the reason is we don't demand they do better in other areas.
 
I'll be glad to discuss border security policy with you. First I want you to answer the question. What Democrats are for open borders? You made this claim that the party favors open borders. Now either backup your bullshit or just admit you are wrong.
The whole democratic leadership prove me wrong. I'm not wrong Lou a bill was sent to the senate and not one democratic leader voted for it. President Trump had even gave them what they wanted a path for the dreamers that were here illegally to become citizens. Not one-of the democrats voted for it because of the wall. And border controls.
 
Our ability to fight wars and protect our interest is unquestionable but it certainly comes at a cost. That said, what else would you like our government to control?

Neither. My point is you and other right wingers gloat about the government doing a great job with controlling and managing our military but does a shitty job with everything else. Perhaps the reason is we don't demand they do better in other areas.
 
Well, since you just know we are #1, but really don’t know why. Look no further than what Regan said to Russia. “We’ll out spend you every time”. That’s what it takes and if we every stop we won’t be number 1. It’s that simple. How much do you think we should spend? Whatever it takes? I think so. You should wonder why Dems aren’t for it.
Dems are for spending what's necessary to keep us on top. The question is does it take spending more than the next 7 countries combined? Also, if you think the government does a fine job with the military, why can't they do the same in other areas?
 
Obama didn’t have a Dem congress for 6 years. They control spending. He was never for the much neeed up grades. You know it. If Dems are in control our military will fall short and if socialist are then we won’t have one period.

Oh so it was because of the Republican congress. I see. Would it interest you to know that defense spending actually went down after Republicans took control? And what upgrades didn't happen? Again how did everything almost fall apart as you say? Repeating what you hear on TV is fine but please provide some facts. How did all almost fall apart?
 
Our ability to fight wars and protect our interest is unquestionable but it certainly comes at a cost. That said, what else would you like our government to control?
Not going there because we haven't settled my earlier point. That is, do you think the government is capable of doing a great job in other areas like they've done with our military?
 
Lol...on the one hand you’ll argue the DoD has excessive waste and on the other hand argue the government is doing an exceptional job managing it.

Dems are for spending what's necessary to keep us on top. The question is does it take spending more than the next 7 countries combined? Also, if you think the government does a fine job with the military, why can't they do the same in other areas?
 
I don’t think the government has done a great job running the DoD, rather I think our military is the greatest fighting force on earth despite it.

Not going there because we haven't settled my earlier point. That is, do you think the government is capable of doing a great job in other areas like they've done with our military?
 
Lol...on the one hand you’ll argue the DoD has excessive waste and on the other hand argue the government is doing an exceptional job managing it.
The two points don't cancel out each other. You can be doing a great but still have room for improvement. Yes?
 
There always room for improvement but suffice it to say, while our military is extraordinary, there is vast room for improvement.

The two points don't cancel out each other. You can be doing a great but still have room for improvement. Yes?
 
I don’t think the government has done a great job running the DoD, rather I think our military is the greatest fighting force on earth despite it.

I often wonder why people feel the government does a lousy job of everything it touches? It always goes back to the people who elected our government officials.
 
Are you comfortable with 300,000 illegal immigrants entering our country per year.
Cane919 you say it clearly. Bottom line Lou and cems really do not believe in borders . Typical liberals I just wish the would say what they really mean and that is they despise any thing President Trump does. Lou calls me a bullshiter and not once did I belittle him .
 
There always room for improvement but suffice it to say, while our military is extraordinary, there is vast room for improvement.
The question is can the government make those improvements? I say yes they can for our military and any other program if the voters insist.
 
Lol. Can't argue based on facts so of course the stats are fake. By the way when you walk outside and see a nonwhite person it doesn't mean they are illegal. I know it may scare you to see a Mexican or a Cuban but that's a whole separate issue.
Why even go there Lou why do all liberals have to play the race card instead of sticking to discussing policy.
 
Nah. I don’t think our government fails because you voted for Xxxxx, rather that Xxxxx failed us.

I often wonder why people feel the government does a lousy job of everything it touches? It always goes back to the people who elected our government officials.
 
They’re just following the party line. The real reason the Dems don’t want the wall,or even immigration reform, is not only about President Trump succeeding, but it will eliminate a hot button issue for their base. It’s simply politics.

Cane919 you say it clearly. Bottom line Lou and cems really do not believe in borders . Typical liberals I just wish the would say what they really mean and that is they despise any thing President Trump does. Lou calls me a bullshiter and not once did I belittle him .
 
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I doubt it, but mainly because of the changing strategies and agendas of the chariots administrations.

The question is can the government make those improvements? I say yes they can for our military and any other program if the voters insist.
 
They’re just following the party line. The real reason the Dems don’t want the wall,or even immigration reform, is not only about President Trump succeeding, but it will eliminate a hot button issue for their base. It’s simply politics.
You need to run for office you have a good way of debating and staying calm. cems and I never could lol
 
There’s where we differ. I see the waste but also see where it should be diverted within the DoD. Again, shifting priorities generally means one area suffers while another gains, then reversed when a new administration comes in. Our military leaders do an exceptional job trying to balance it for the most part.

If you feel that way then there is no waste. For me it is.
 
There’s where we differ. I see the waste but also see where it should be diverted within the DoD. Again, shifting priorities generally means one area suffers while another gains, then reversed when a new administration comes in. Our military leaders do an exceptional job trying to balance it for the most part.
You and I will never agree on this. The military budget is bloated and is not directed at the right things.
 
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