But calling an innocent man Georgy Porgey somehow makes it right…lol.
AzarOriginally posted by Azar:
Originally posted by bkmorgan52:
Azar your response may be one of the most racist comments I have ever seen on this board. I have no doubt that you have experienced racial injustices as part of your life and they no doubt shape your beliefs but that does not mean that that is categorically how it is across our country. You made some bold and what I would call racial statements of your own in that response. First when you address our court system and say it has never shown any justice towards black people. What about Brown vs the Board of Education and all the civil rights cases that were upheld during the 60's and since. Are those not examples of how the court system in America has worked for African Americans in our country. In many statements you make large generalizations about white people saying "white people" or "most white people" or "this is still Amerikkka for Black people". I had a football coach that used to say we did two things at practice your were either getting better or getting worse but that it was very hard to stay were you were. I believe this is true in all aspects of our life. Statements like yours only make our country and race relations get worse. Are there still examples of racism in America, yes. However, we have moved leaps and bounds from where we were and I believe we continue to move forward and that things get better on a daily basis. Making broad generalizations like you have will only cause our country to move backwards. It offends me and I consider it racist when I hear comments like you were making. I believe the Zimmerman verdict was correct but it has nothing to do with race and you assuming that just because I am white and because I support the Zimmerman verdict makes me a racist is absurd. You thinking just because someone is white doesn't mean they haven't experienced or seen racism is racist in itself. There are comments made on this board all the time referring to Trailerhassee and talking about hillbillies when we refer to SEC teams on this board. I happen to live in the south and I happen to live in a trailer so those types of statements seem racist to me. I grew up what I have seen stated on this board as "trailer trash". We were dirt poor and the only housing we could afford was a trailer. It didn't make me a racist or trashy or anything else it is just where I had to live. I went to college I have a masters degree and I still live in a trailer because I can't afford the house I want because of the $60,000 plus in student loans I had to get to go to college. Why did I have to get so many loans if I was so poor? Because a vast majority of the financial aid available when I went to school was for minorities and women. That left out one group that couldn't get the financial aid, white men. To me that was racist that just because I was a white man everyone assumed I must be able to pay for college, why wouldn't I be able to since all white men are rich. The only way the problem of racism will get fixed is if both white and black people in our country teach their children that race does not matter. When I was in HS one of my best friends was black. After football practice one day we went to another friends house to swim. His dad got pissed because his son had brought a black person home to swim in the pool. His dad had grown up in the 50's when there was segregation for pools and other stuff and that was normal to him. It hadn't even crossed my or my white friends mind that his dad wouldn't want a black person swimming in the pool. My point is that we changed that way of thinking for us. I know my white friend didn't think that way and still doesn't and neither do I. I teach my kids to treat everyone the same. My brother in law married a black women. I have 3 nieces that are bi-racial and one that is not because of a previous marriage. One time when they came to our house she was telling me white people do this and white people do that. I told her you can't make broad generalization like that because not all white people are the same just like all black people aren't the same. There is nothing a black person can't do in our country that a white person cant do ask Oprah, Barrack Obama, Clarence Thomas....... I shouldn't have gone to college. I lived in poverty growing up. I have over 30 cousins and I am one of the few that graduated HS let alone college. It had nothing to do with the fact that I was white. I chose to better myself rather than focus on conditions in which I lived. I used them as motivation to improve my way of life. AMERICA not "Amerikkka" is a great place to live. The only thing stopping anyone white or black from succeeding in our country is themselves. Are there racist people, yes both black and white. However, I believe the vast majority of Americans are good people that are starting to put racism in the past where it belongs.Originally posted by Azar:
Originally posted by tde:
Originally posted by Azar:
I commend you for at least having the courage to answer the question but what does being a staunch supporter of the Zimmerman verdict mean? Why a fan of one and not the other? Why do you believe OJ was guilty when there absolutely nothing other than circumstantial evidence linking OJ vs the hardcore evidence ignored in the Zimmerman case? What's the difference? The court which you believe in says that OJ did not do it, so why support one decision and not the other? What might be the difference here? You cite all the mistakes made in OJ's case but what about all the mistakes made in the Trayvon case from the beginning at the crime scene up through the trial? Trying to make some sense of this other than the obvious reason. Please explain.....Originally posted by tde:
Originally posted by Azar:
I ask this question on the other TM thread and I'll ask it on this to see if I can get a response. To all you who are citing the laws and agreeing with this decision based on the law, I have a question. Was OJ's acquittal the correct decision based on the law? Considerable less evidence connecting OJ to Nicole's Murder, so based on the law did they reach the right decision in his case...I'll be waiting for this........
Yes. I am a staunch supporter of the Zimmerman verdict but in OJ's criminal trial the prosecution gave too many outs to the jury to find him not guilty. The prosecution was wholly unprepared when presenting their DNA evidence so they got torn to shreds by Barry Scheck. At the time of OJ's trial the introduction of DNA as a tool was novel so the jury needed to be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that the use of DNA was a legitimate science. Sheck tore them apart by exposing so many instances of contamination. This doesn't mean that I believe that OJ didn't do it, it just means the state didn't prove their case.
This post was edited on 7/17 7:44 PM by Azar
When I stated that "this doesn't mean that I believe that OJ didn't do it" I was basing this statement off the additional evidence that was brought into OJ's civil trial. I still cant with 100% certainty say that OJ did it. But gun to my head to make a choice I would say he did it. Also, I never said that I didn't support the OJ decision. I fully did because I support the system.
Yes, the prosecution in the Zimmerman case made mistakes. They introduced his testimony which was not subject to cross examination. They switched theories about who was on top. They didn't adequately prepare their star witness. Having said this I don't think it would have made a difference. I said I was a staunch supporter because I believed Zimmermman's story that he was in fear for his life when he was getting the crap kicked out of him. Why? Because there was testimony from the lead detective that he believed that Zimmerman was telling the truth, and further, when the detective lied to Zimmerman and said that there was a video of the incident Zimmerman's reaction was "thank God." Also, the forensics proved that Trayvon was on top and I thought the testimony from the defense's medical expert was more credible than the prosecution's expert. Was Trayvon profiled? Absolutely. However, that in and of itself does not make it illegal. I just didn't see hardcore evidence in Zimmerman's guilt like you did and in no way believe that there was more evidence against Zimmerman than OJ had against him.
Our legal system is not perfect, but its still the best in the world. There are always going to be some injustices such Marisa Alexander, however, in large part, I believe that our system works better than any other.
This post was edited on 7/18 5:22 AM by tde
Tde, you are just blowing smoke if you expect me to believe you supported the OJ decision prior to some new evidence. Regarding the GZ case, there's not one iota of solid proof that Zimmerman was getting the crap beat out of him yet you mention it as fact. Laceration could've come with a fall, it doesn't prove anything one way or the other. Zimmerman walked around perfectly fine after the incident as shown on police video and Trayvon's knuckles had no bruises on them. Maybe you've never been in a fight before, but I assure you there is no way there would no bruising or swelling on his knuckles after supposedly beating the hell out of someone. It's laughable in a disgusting sort of way how you choose to overlook all the factors that provoked the incident, factors that prove Trayvon was the one defending himself vs Zimmerman. The established facts we do know and not the assumptions you are making based on circumstantial evidence is that Zimmerman got out of his car, called the kid a coon on the phone, was advised by 911 not to chase Trayvon a couple of times yet continued to chase the kid down and provoking the entire incident that lead to murder of a kid. Yet and still, you choose to believe that Trayvon was the attacker and the aggressor. In your mind, Trayvon was the thug and must have been the attacker regardless of the fact of GZ chasing him down and the kid running scared from a stranger because there's no law. I guess Trayvon was suppose to get on you knees, be obedient to a stranger, and beg for his life. This is pretty much the twist message that shines through. I'm sure you tell you son or daughter to be obedient to strangers and come to them when they follow you at night. Yep, sounds like sound advise to me
As for your court system being the best in the world, that's merely opinion and not fact so save that company line. This is true based on what comparative study of world court systems? This is nothing more that a conditioned BS response created by those who are a part of this BS system. Every time one of these kangaroo court proceedings take place and another AA is fckd by the system, I hear the same BS "Its not perfect but its the best in the world". No its not perfect, its not even descent, its a BS system that has never shown any justice towards black people. It was never designed to be fair and just towards us, and it remains that way. There are enough stories of blatant and intentional injustices towards black people to create a encyclopedia series. Melissa Alexander is just the tip of the iceberg so save the sh*t happens speech with that also.
That being said, I was not in the least bit surprise by the GZ decision, pissed but not surprised. I don't care to convince you or any white person on here that this case was both a tragedy driven by racism and a travesty of justice because I sincerely believe that those of your mindset lack the ability to empathize with anyone other than your own. I've learned that speaking to the progenitors and benefiters of racism about racism is about as futile as speaking to mountain about being in the way. The psychosis of racism is so deeply instilled in the collective mind of the majority of white America and has created such a privileged and arrogant attitude that you (plural) really believe the BS in which you speak when it comes to racial injustices.
It continues to amaze me every time I see it, a people who have never had to deal with the receiving end of racism or have never seriously had to intimately deal with any racial matters somehow think they know more about the nuances and complexities of racism than those who have dealt with it generation after generation. Most white people could not cite me one example of racism in our social, economic, or political structure yet you arrogantly attempt to tell black people whether something's racist or not. Black folks deal with the ridiculous issue as a daily part of life but we are apparently delusional when it comes to racism and white people must tell us when a situation is racist or not.
This country continues its cowardly stance when it comes to facing it's demons of slavery, racism, and oppression. The sweep it under the rug and act as if doesn't exist attitude remains. This is still Amerikkka for Black people, a country that lacks the moral and ethical courage to even address issues of race, let alone correct it. So carry on white folks with your celebratory attitude towards an injustice and continue to arrogantly believe that decisions like this won't ever affect you. Continue rooting for white instead of right, the demons will come back around .
This post was edited on 7/18 4:21 PM by Azar
BK,
First of all, you along with all of the white people who accuse black people of racism apparently don't have the slightest clue as to the definition of racism based on how you consistently use it incorrectly. Accusing black people of being racist because they speak out against racism is mind fckry at best. Tell me, where in any of my comments do I claim that black are superior and whites are inferior based on our skin color? Where in any of my comments does it say I hate white people? Where is the part where I say all whites are racist? What social structure, economic structure, or political structure do black people control where we can affect the lives and oppress whites? These are the elements of racism and none match any of the statements I've made or any black people you know. So stop the ignorant claim of black people being racist because they tell you about the BS racist system you support. A reaction to oppression, citing the history of racism and brutality towards blacks by whites, or calling out racism does not equal racism. It's jackazz logic and nothing more than a defense mechanism. Just out of curiosity, though, why don't you point out which one of my statements you believe is racist. It should be interesting to see you try to twist something out.
My comments do not and were not meant to indict every white person as being a racist, my use of the phrase white people refers to white America collectively because I do believe the majority fit into the category I've described. If you perceived it as me speaking in absolutes then I'm telling you that you are incorrect. What is correct is the fact that I believe the majority of white America is still racist, hence the Amerikkka reference I use to describe this country.
Citing me one case to prove that there's justice for black people is a joke, this case was the exception and not the norm so save it. Also, Brown vs BOE and desegregation was nothing more than a political decisions; a decision that proved to be an economic disaster for the black community. Desegregation created an economic depression that has never been overcome to this very day. Whites allowed us to come spend money in the white community but refused to hire black people to work with them or for them with the exception of a few menial positions such as housekeeping and janitorial service. People who once serviced and thrived when blacks patronized their own community suffered especially those in prominent positions such as lawyers, docs, teachers, Principals, etc. as money began to flow out of the community and they could not get jobs in white community doing their respective professions.
Let's also talk about the history of the Civil Rights movement or how any concessions that were ever made for black people were never done out of moral or ethical conviction by America. Instead, they were all either politically or economically motivated, bar none! Every decision was made due to some sort of pressure and none because it was the right thing to do. This is real history and not the rosy story you are attempting to paint.
As I stated earlier, though, this is more of the smoke screen to circumvent the real issue here. The issue has now become me being a racist as opposed to the racism on display by whites during and post the Trayvon case, right? When all else fails, just label me a racist so you don't have to discuss the real issue. I've seen this strategy a time or two. I swear, you guys just pull sh*t out your azzes in your attempts to defend white supremacy and hide mask racism in this country. Calling someone a racist has become your new thing, I guess.
This post was edited on 7/22 12:03 PM by Azar
Bk,
Very true and also there are different types of crime people forget. We don't talk about white collar crimes and corporate fraud. It is a fact that corporate fraud has cost us 3.5 trillion dollars toward the national debt. It is a much bigger problem than some ignorant thug robbing a liquor store. Every company's revenue has 5% corporate fraud. So, it is far from a race thing. The people in the entertainment business never focus on it but it is economically much more crippling to society.
They do. You just don't know about it because it is not news worthy. News is best when it is hatefilled and violent. Not when it is encouraging and positive.
OMG....please go away and watch foxnews or something. Geez! You have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about and using the fox talking points won't cut it with people that understand all about "their race".
1. No....you weren't talking to me. I was talking to YOU! STFU because you don't have a clue of what you are talking about in this community.
Huh? WTF are you talking about? My ethnicity is my business. It isn't yours. I am proud of it and could honestly care less what you or what anyone else thinks. Apparently you aren't as obsessed with post as you think....lol. But it really doesn't matter a hill of beans. People are people. Who cares?
