Actually the people who get the most handouts, are the ones who don't need them at all....IT's called corporate welfare. Jon Stewart said it best "Why is it that if you take advantage of a tax break and you are a corporation, you are a smart business man." But if you take advantage of something you need to not go hungry, you are a moocher?"
3 members of the 1972 Dolphins....Gotta love this
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Caneship. Have you ever checked out like the FACTS? Please note the following excerpt.
These figures cover only the federal income tax and ignore the
substantial amounts of other federal taxes especially the payroll tax
that many of these households pay. As a result, these figures
greatly overstate the share of households that do not pay federal
taxes. Tax Policy Center data show that only about 17 percent
of households did not pay any federal income tax or payroll tax in
2009, despite the high unemployment and temporary tax cuts that marked
that year.[5]
In 2007, a more typical year, the figure was 14 percent. This
percentage would be even lower if it reflected other federal taxes that
households pay, including excise taxes on gasoline and other items.
This post was edited on 8/22 3:57 PM by porky3100
This post was edited on 8/22 4:03 PM by porky3100
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3505
These figures cover only the federal income tax and ignore the
substantial amounts of other federal taxes especially the payroll tax
that many of these households pay. As a result, these figures
greatly overstate the share of households that do not pay federal
taxes. Tax Policy Center data show that only about 17 percent
of households did not pay any federal income tax or payroll tax in
2009, despite the high unemployment and temporary tax cuts that marked
that year.[5]
In 2007, a more typical year, the figure was 14 percent. This
percentage would be even lower if it reflected other federal taxes that
households pay, including excise taxes on gasoline and other items.
This post was edited on 8/22 3:57 PM by porky3100
This post was edited on 8/22 4:03 PM by porky3100
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3505
Stewart is a clown....
Corporate Welfare....nice term...
Question:
If you take your own money, risk it by creating jobs..aren't you entitled to make a profit.... If people dont invest,create jobs and produce is some capacity then we( the work force ) dont have work.......Call it trickle down economics or whatever you want, it is a reality. Risk = Reward,,,greater the risk,greater the reward.
I saw this at 19 years old...some people never figure it out.
The Fair tax method is the only way get out of this.....one tax, one time,everyone pays their share.......
If I worked my ass off and Finally got a brand new car, and my neighbor stays home and watches TV but my tax dollars buys him one, whats fair about that..
it is true ...some people need help......a small percentage of the ones that get it.....
Corporate Welfare....nice term...
Question:
If you take your own money, risk it by creating jobs..aren't you entitled to make a profit.... If people dont invest,create jobs and produce is some capacity then we( the work force ) dont have work.......Call it trickle down economics or whatever you want, it is a reality. Risk = Reward,,,greater the risk,greater the reward.
I saw this at 19 years old...some people never figure it out.
The Fair tax method is the only way get out of this.....one tax, one time,everyone pays their share.......
If I worked my ass off and Finally got a brand new car, and my neighbor stays home and watches TV but my tax dollars buys him one, whats fair about that..
it is true ...some people need help......a small percentage of the ones that get it.....
I am staying home watching old Cane games on the tube!!! Maybe I will watch the 1989 Notre Lame game while everyone is having a great time at the White House. Not me.
Hey UCFgoon, some facts for your perusal:
- The official unemployment rate excludes those not looking for work from the numerator. By various estimates, the real under/unemployment rate is well over 10%, and possibly over 20%, depending on the precise definitions used. The labor market is still in shambles. You can Google "real unemployment rate" to learn some real facts, not cooked books and PR-friendly numbers.
- The housing market is being propped up by foreign investment purchasers (mostly from China) paying cash for distressed properties. There is no actual recovery, which any honest person in the industry can tell you. Mortgage rates are low solely because of Federal Reserve intervention (aka money printing), and have nothing to do with actual market conditions. This will change if/when the Fed decides to take away the punch bowl. Be glad you and your fiance are subsidized, because you sure wouldn't be able to do it in this market otherwise. (I'm not even going to address the "stock market" point, as blue-chip equity prices have almost zero bearing on actual economic conditions, which you should know, living through the Bush years.)
- It's also worth noting that the Fed's easy money policies were the major macroeconomic cause of the 2008 crash. It certainly wasn't any "deregulation." The facts show that Bush set a record - since passed by Obama - for most economically significant regulations passed in a single term. You can talk all you want about alleged deregulation, but it doesn't make it true. The opposite has been happening - demonstrably - for decades. Look it up.
- 5 million FEWER people voted for Obama in 2012 than 2008, despite the country adding over 8 million people during that time. That is not a democratic mandate, no matter how you try to spin it. The facts say that fewer people wanted Obama to get a second term; it just so happened that his challenger was even more unpopular than he was. The aggregate numbers tell the story; not your handpicked (and misleading) percentages.
P.S. I think both parties (and the last two presidents) suck. When you look at the facts in an independent manner, so should you. Your blind partisanship makes your school - well, UCF, I guess - look pretty bad.
So Caneship did you deliberately ignore the facts that I presented in response to your earlier "misstatements"?
Also your logic is very flawed. It presumes that the ONLY people who work hard are job creators. Many Americans work hard but do not own a business. In many cases, the hardest working people are the working poor, Working 2 and 3 jobs to make ends meet.
Could you also specify which government program bought your neighbor a car? I mean you would not sit here and lie would you?
Not really. Promethus did not cite a single reference for his claims. Beyond that-- simply goggling real unemplyment rate is meaningless. What's important is that the METHODOLOGY used over the years is consistent. Therefore, you can't pull googled stats and make any meaningful comparisons to the medthods that have been used over the long term.Otherwise you risk comparing apples to oranges.
http://money.msn.com/tax-tips/post.aspx?post=292d620a-6459-4381-a22b-f3b59dc64ff8
45 % Paid no tax... 36% also got checks from IRS...
109 Million on Fed heatlh ins.............
Plenty of facts out there. just depends on which ones you want to Quote.......
45 % Paid no tax... 36% also got checks from IRS...
109 Million on Fed heatlh ins.............
Plenty of facts out there. just depends on which ones you want to Quote.......
Hey UCFgoon, some facts for your perusal:
- The official
unemployment rate excludes those not looking for work from the
numerator. By various estimates, the real under/unemployment rate is
well over 10%, and possibly over 20%, depending on the precise
definitions used. The labor market is still in shambles. You can
Google "real unemployment rate" to learn some real facts, not cooked
books and PR-friendly numbers.
- The housing market is being
propped up by foreign investment purchasers (mostly from China) paying
cash for distressed properties. There is no actual recovery, which any
honest person in the industry can tell you. Mortgage rates are low
solely because of Federal Reserve intervention (aka money printing), and
have nothing to do with actual market conditions. This will change
if/when the Fed decides to take away the punch bowl. Be glad you and
your fiance are subsidized, because you sure wouldn't be able to do it
in this market otherwise. (I'm not even going to address the "stock
market" point, as blue-chip equity prices have almost zero bearing on
actual economic conditions, which you should know, living through the
Bush years.)
- It's also worth noting that the Fed's easy money
policies were the major macroeconomic cause of the 2008 crash. It
certainly wasn't any "deregulation." The facts show that Bush set a
record - since passed by Obama - for most economically significant
regulations passed in a single term. You can talk all you want about
alleged deregulation, but it doesn't make it true. The opposite has
been happening - demonstrably - for decades. Look it up.
- 5
million FEWER people voted for Obama in 2012 than 2008, despite the
country adding over 8 million people during that time. That is not a
democratic mandate, no matter how you try to spin it. The facts say
that fewer people wanted Obama to get a second term; it just so happened
that his challenger was even more unpopular than he was. The aggregate
numbers tell the story; not your handpicked (and misleading)
percentages.
P.S. I think both parties (and the last two
presidents) suck. When you look at the facts in an independent manner,
so should you. Your blind partisanship makes your school - well, UCF, I
guess - look pretty bad.
1. 2.6 million jobs lost in the recession..800,000 were manufacturing jobs...Corporate outsourcing and the house of representatives refusal to sign obama's transportation bill that would help significantly reduce that "real unemployment" number of all those people who aren't looking for work anymore because their jobs don't exist anymore!
2. The housing market technically cant truly recover because the business practices of giving mortgages to people they never should have and trading and betting those bad mortgages is what cause the housing market crash.Drastic economic changes that attract competent American home buyers are needed...like hmmm maybe...a first time buyers clause?...or low mortgage interest rates that should have already been in place?
3. 5 million fewer people voted for obama and he still won the presidency a second time. The other millions of people who voted for him don't have a educated reason for doing so again?..what does that say about conservatives who still couldn't convince the public their ideology makes sense?..People need to quit pretending what happened in 2008 is something that doesn't take well over a decade of new policies to fix
4.I am a registered independent....and i just cant seem to be insulted by the fact that i go to ucf?....odd insult...
- The official
unemployment rate excludes those not looking for work from the
numerator. By various estimates, the real under/unemployment rate is
well over 10%, and possibly over 20%, depending on the precise
definitions used. The labor market is still in shambles. You can
Google "real unemployment rate" to learn some real facts, not cooked
books and PR-friendly numbers.
- The housing market is being
propped up by foreign investment purchasers (mostly from China) paying
cash for distressed properties. There is no actual recovery, which any
honest person in the industry can tell you. Mortgage rates are low
solely because of Federal Reserve intervention (aka money printing), and
have nothing to do with actual market conditions. This will change
if/when the Fed decides to take away the punch bowl. Be glad you and
your fiance are subsidized, because you sure wouldn't be able to do it
in this market otherwise. (I'm not even going to address the "stock
market" point, as blue-chip equity prices have almost zero bearing on
actual economic conditions, which you should know, living through the
Bush years.)
- It's also worth noting that the Fed's easy money
policies were the major macroeconomic cause of the 2008 crash. It
certainly wasn't any "deregulation." The facts show that Bush set a
record - since passed by Obama - for most economically significant
regulations passed in a single term. You can talk all you want about
alleged deregulation, but it doesn't make it true. The opposite has
been happening - demonstrably - for decades. Look it up.
- 5
million FEWER people voted for Obama in 2012 than 2008, despite the
country adding over 8 million people during that time. That is not a
democratic mandate, no matter how you try to spin it. The facts say
that fewer people wanted Obama to get a second term; it just so happened
that his challenger was even more unpopular than he was. The aggregate
numbers tell the story; not your handpicked (and misleading)
percentages.
P.S. I think both parties (and the last two
presidents) suck. When you look at the facts in an independent manner,
so should you. Your blind partisanship makes your school - well, UCF, I
guess - look pretty bad.
1. 2.6 million jobs lost in the recession..800,000 were manufacturing jobs...Corporate outsourcing and the house of representatives refusal to sign obama's transportation bill that would help significantly reduce that "real unemployment" number of all those people who aren't looking for work anymore because their jobs don't exist anymore!
2. The housing market technically cant truly recover because the business practices of giving mortgages to people they never should have and trading and betting those bad mortgages is what cause the housing market crash.Drastic economic changes that attract competent American home buyers are needed...like hmmm maybe...a first time buyers clause?...or low mortgage interest rates that should have already been in place?
3. 5 million fewer people voted for obama and he still won the presidency a second time. The other millions of people who voted for him don't have a educated reason for doing so again?..what does that say about conservatives who still couldn't convince the public their ideology makes sense?..People need to quit pretending what happened in 2008 is something that doesn't take well over a decade of new policies to fix
4.I am a registered independent....and i just cant seem to be insulted by the fact that i go to ucf?....odd insult...
1. This run-on sentence is borderline nonsensical, and fails to address the substantive point that the economy sucks. If you think that legislative mandates to create manufacturing jobs will solve the massive structural unemployment in this country (which you completely denied in your first post, FWIW), you simply have no clue about how jobs are actually created in the real world. It's not surprising you think this way since you don't really support yourself or have had to make a real living, so there is no incentive for you to actually experience the error of your perspective. In the ensuing years as you learn how the world works in reality (and not a textbook or classroom), you will encounter the gritty reality of how this economy puts food in your mouth and clothes on your back. It is through change generated by competitive ingenuity and evolutionary iteration, and certainly not by static mandates from Washington. In 1900, most of America made its living farming. Today, it is less than 5%. Do you think it is a bad thing that we "lost" those farming jobs?
2. The "business practice of giving mortgages to people they never should have" is called the Community Reinvestment Act, and is not a form of deregulation, but is rather a government mandate, supported by the President and his party, that requires mortgage providers do exactly what you say they should not do. Low interest rates, which are exactly what we have right now, thanks to current Administration policy, contribute to that problem. Your completely ignoring my comment about the Federal Reserve shows you have zero understanding of economics, and so I would urge you to learn how monetary policy truly impacts the economy, and you will realize how laughable any notion that something like a "first-time buyers clause" - or anything else proposed by the President or Congress - could solve the housing market's problems.
3. Obama getting five million fewer votes doesn't say anything about conservatives. What it says at is at LEAST five million fewer Americans wanted to see him President. That says a lot about Obama as a candidate. (FWIW, Bush got more votes in his second term election. What does that say about him?) For me, I'm a real independent who knows politicians are BS, so I don't have to deal with the same gnawing cognitive dissonance that you do.
4. I don't care what you are registered as, you think and talk like a partisan Democrat. When you start thinking like an independent, you can see that Obama lies like Bush lies, that they both really have no idea how to run an economy, and that We the People had better find a better way to manage our precious nation before it's too late. Hopefully along the way, you'll also be able to form cogent arguments and complete sentences, and then no insults will be applicable or necessary.
I am allowed to dislike this president, because its what men died for. The free right of speech!
What do you mean "you will follow his orders"? That sounds pretty damn fascist! I fear people like you that tells us what to do, what to think etc...I do not have to do what he says!
And why do you people on the left ALWAYS say that we that dislike Obama "racists "? I don't hate him because he is black (or half white), I hate him because he is RED! I'm sick and tired of reading and hearing that I'm a racist because I don't like Obama!! Just not true! And you are a POS for saying that!!
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"AND YOU WILL FOLLOW HIS ORDERS"
wow, talk about a whack job!!!!!
this is a free country, i thought..
wow, talk about a whack job!!!!!
this is a free country, i thought..
As an independent you could easily look up the real unemployment rate as I posted earlier also known as the U-6 unemployment rate. It was 14.2 when Obama came into office and it is currently 14.0. Obama has created more net jobs in his first four years than Bush did in his eight. Bush got more votes in his second election; however, he didn't even win the popular vote in the 1st one. Gore received more total votes and eventually won the popular vote. The reason for part of the drop off for Obama was that about 3 million fewer people voted in this election because people were tired of the political discourse in this country. As much as people dislike the President the Republican candidate received only 1 million more votes than their previous candidate. Maybe not as many people were as dissatisfied with the President as some on the board would leave you to believe. 3 million plus less voters, 5 million less vote for the Democrat and only 1 million more vote for the Republican. Finally, Obama still received about 22 million more votes total in both elections than did Bush. They are just about one in the same as I said earlier. Obama probably won't admit it; however, a lot of his policies are a continuation of what Bush implemented. I just find it ironic that many people on the right no longer support these policies or aren't even willing to vote on it because they are afraid of losing office in the mid-term election. They know the far-right (extreme) will not compromise and thus we are left with a country that is stuck in a stalemate and can't get anything done. This Congress has filibustered more than any other Congress in history. Too bad they'll never vote on term-limits but they are definitely needed. All politicians lie and the country is divided by the rich and the poor more than by race. Law makers create laws that benefit them. We can agree that they are all full of b.s. but as a business owner and someone who invests in the stock market, I can say that I'm doing much better under this President then I did under the last. Maybe that will change some as parts of the Affordable Care Act are implemented but the stock market has doubled and I'm not complaining.
As someone who served in the military, I'll always respect the office regardless of which party is in office. What about the President don't you like? I'm just curious? Obviously no one likes everything but he is more like Bush than Republicans or he himself want to admit. Bush did some good things and some things I didn't like. Obama has done some good things and some I didn't like. Most people that say they don't like him can't tell you why, which leads people to speculate it has to be about race although he is half white. People call him a socialist, communist, etc and can't define it. We are far from that! I know a lot of Democrats upset with him as well because he's compromised quite a bit. Unfortunately the right has broken off into two factions which is preventing anything from passing through the House. Boehner can't get a vote from his people on anything and has been a less than effective Speaker of the House. I'm just curious, you don't have to answer if you don't like.
Ardvarkas,that comment was made half in jest. But also to the same assholes that come on this site and spew that divisive bullshit everyday. But since you want to intervene, you're made from the same cloth as those assholes. Jerks like bbcane, lovethugu, and quite a few others. This is a football message board!! And you call me a pos?You're the same weak minded jackass that continuously made those lame
Ass Randy Shannon jokes for years. I told you awhile back that you could learn a lot about persevering difficulties in your life.You're the one that wanted to kill yourself over a chick a couple of years ago. So now if fancy is"the onion",you're"the crisis".
Ass Randy Shannon jokes for years. I told you awhile back that you could learn a lot about persevering difficulties in your life.You're the one that wanted to kill yourself over a chick a couple of years ago. So now if fancy is"the onion",you're"the crisis".
You may want to actually READ your stuff before posting. The article *disproves* your point. From YOUR article.
That does not mean such households end up paying no taxes whatsoever.
For instance, those in the group still pay other taxes such as state and local income taxes, as well as property and sales taxes.
And the group doesn't necessarily get off scot-free when it comes to payroll taxes -- which support Social Security and Medicare.
More
than two-thirds -- or 49 million of the 69 million households -- pay
payroll tax. Of those, 34 million end up paying more in payroll taxes
than they get back on their federal return. The other 15 million pay
payroll tax but they get enough refundable credits to offset what they
paid. (Get a 'receipt' for your taxes)
Contrary to what many assume, membership in the group isn't restricted to the poor.
What have you identified that he has done good for the Country thus far? Affordable Care Act?
UM
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