What about NY City they have some of the strictest gun laws in the country?
What about drugs they’re illegal in Indiana, plenty of drugs make to Chicago?
Anyone in Chicago blaming Indiana for their problems deserves that pathetic mayor they have.
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What about drugs they’re illegal in Indiana, plenty of drugs make to Chicago?
Anyone in Chicago blaming Indiana for their problems deserves that pathetic mayor they have.
What are you talking about? Are you talking about drugs or guns? Stop talking what about x, what about y. Focus on the issue at hand. I explained to you why we need federal guidelines on guns so that everyone is playing on the same playing field.
you sound like you’re not trying to have a fruitful conversation.
body armor, military style rifles why are we making these available to the general population. Police officers responding to these events are massively outgunned and the killers have protection. That’s nonsense.
enough of the BS.. the only people who should be allowed to carry assault rifles are law enforcement & military PERIOD enough of your right to buy assault rifles.
There are 50 or so spineless Senators in DC who refuse to do anything to help us because they're all willing to sacrifice lives of innocent people for money & power from the Gun Lobby.
Steve Kerr was spot on last night
There are 50 or so spineless Senators in DC who refuse to do anything to help us because they're all willing to sacrifice lives of innocent people for money & power from the Gun Lobby.
Steve Kerr was spot on last night
Tell that to the people of the Ukraine.
I don't think it's the fault of any administration nor do I think any of these measures will stop crazy people. I just don't. What would help is securing our schools far better as an example.
True that! Heard this am that it has been 48 years since there has been a school shooting in Israel. Hamas has tried, but all schools have two heavily armed military style professionals and various other security measures to protect their children.
So teenagers get hooked on drugs because their doctors prescribe them drugs?
Come on man.
Just because you make something illegal does not make it unavailable. Hasn't worked for drugs. Didn't work with alcohol. And, won't work with guns.
We clearly have a mental illness problem in this country. What makes these young kids want to committ mass murder?
Wouldn’t this nut job wacko have passed the strictest background check ? Yes
Wouldn’t he been have been able to inflict similar damage with a run of the mill hand gun , if “ AR type “ weapons were banned for sale? Yes
Did the Texas open carry law affect this tragedy? No
Actually Trump was close to getting a deal done on background checks , but the democrats were intent on impeaching him instead . Poof goes the legislation.
This rush to impose culpability on one political party is disgusting
Another example of rooting for death to gain a political advantage. Or at least it seems that way . Never let a crisis goes to waste
Wouldn’t he been have been able to inflict similar damage with a run of the mill hand gun , if “ AR type “ weapons were banned for sale? Yes
Did the Texas open carry law affect this tragedy? No
Actually Trump was close to getting a deal done on background checks , but the democrats were intent on impeaching him instead . Poof goes the legislation.
This rush to impose culpability on one political party is disgusting
Another example of rooting for death to gain a political advantage. Or at least it seems that way . Never let a crisis goes to waste
We have a culture in this country that glamorizes violence and dehumanizes living beings (people). Look at tv, Hollywood, internet, video games, social media, etc. This is certainly part of the equation. I am not defending the gun situation. I am not a gun person, but I do believe law abiding people have the right to defend themselves.The sick twisted perp in this massacre clearly had no regard for human life.
And I hope and pray that you'll never have to experience what the 80+ families in France had to go through. What, you think it's different simply because a different weapon was used to carry out the killings or was it simply because it happened in France? Maybe you've forgotten the images of those that were run over during a Christmas parade in this country not too long ago. If you want to be sick of something then you should take a look at those that choose to politicize gun deaths for their own gain.
You loons are more concerned with passing laws to protect an un born fetus than young school children!
So, 2 mass shootings here in the last 5 years that took 75 lives? That's still less than the one incident in France where a truck was used. I've had at least one gun for over 54 years and not once has any of my guns been involved in a shooting. Doesn't sound like my guns matter. What you describe is a bad people problem, not a gun problem.
Why was there access via an unlocked door?
All schools should have one single, secure, point of entry.
All classrooms should have locking doors.
While we are arguing about guns, perhaps, we could take the $40 billion being earmarked for Urkraine and reallocate to securing our schools here in the US.
Just a thought.
All schools should have one single, secure, point of entry.
All classrooms should have locking doors.
While we are arguing about guns, perhaps, we could take the $40 billion being earmarked for Urkraine and reallocate to securing our schools here in the US.
Just a thought.
"It's not a gun problem"? There are more guns in the U.S. than people and you see no connection between that and the number of mass shootings?
Thanks for the compliment. Do you have no empathy for the 80+ that were killed in France or the Christmas parade goers that were mowed down in cold blood? We get it, you have an agenda here.
Mike don't be that guy. The guy who spits out stupidity. Two different topics and quit lumping and blaming a large sector of America because of a luntatic.
Do you have children yet?
WE GAVE THE SCHOOLS MORE MONEY THEN THEY KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH during "covid relief." I wonder how many used some funds on fixing broken doors? Fixing fencing? High tech cameras or any other security measure?
I bet not too many.
I’m using logic, I’m not virtue signaling. The way to stop bad guys with guns is to make sure good aren’t inhibited from getting guns. No gun laws are going to keep bad guys from getting guns, or stop unstable people from acting unstable.
The worst thing to do is get emotional and allow those idiots in DC to quote fix the problem. Politicians particularly democrats don’t solve problems they make things worse. There’s things that can be done, but have nothing to do with gun laws. I
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I can have a warehouse full of AR15's and an 18 wheeler of ammo. I'm not a danger. A sociopath with a steak knife or hammer can be more dangerous. But the gun will protect me from that whack job Bernie Sanders supporter.
I see guns in the wrong hands as a problem indeed and knives and all other weapons.
I also see Ukraine begging for weapons to fight off the invading Russian Army.
I see Chicago every weekend and LA and Detroit and Miami and NYC...........
The opioid crisis affected people of many different ages, yes kids too.
mother society’s have issues with drugs and alcohol as well but no where else are people getting killed at the rate as we do here.
teens all around the world have issues that they are dealing with, only the ones in America go and buy an AR on the 18th bday to go kill people. That’s only happening here. You guys want to act like this is a worldwide phenomenon. It’s not.
9/11 happened, it killed 3500 people and we changed the way we fly, built a whole department to deal with such things.
let’s try to do something about this.
I’m guessing some of you wanted to build a wall, like trump wanted to. Everyone said building a wall won’t keep illegals out of this country. And most of you were like so what we gotta do something to keep immigrants out.
well this is the same, we can’t just do nothing and keep the status quo. We gotta try things and not just say “well it won’t make a difference cuz they will kill in other ways”. So what!!?? Let them find another way. This right here is the easiest way.
I rather have to get away from someone wielding a knife like the London bridge then someone in full tactical gear coming at me with an AR.
We have a ton of guns out there. And these killings are happening at a faster rate. When we had the assault weapons ban there were less mass murders, the ban expires in 04 and the numbers increased again. This isn’t rocket science.
there were good guys with guns last 2 weeks and people still got murdered bc They had more fire power. Handguns vs rifles. Make it hard to get or Ban the rifle give the cop a chance.
Anyone paying attention to Australia during the pandemic, understands what happens when people get emotional and give up gun rights.
They definitely weren’t acting like a democracy.
They definitely weren’t acting like a democracy.
What the hell does Ukraine wanting weapons have to do with this? They want better more sophisticated weapons. You think you keeping your guns will prevent us from getting invaded??? We have the most expensive military in the world. THAT will keep us from others invading. Not your AR.
AGAIN WTF DOES CHICAGO HAVE TO DO WITH THIS??
The aftermath of such killings is always the same. Republicans blame Dems but had an opportunity to fix the problem under Trump but did nothing. Lets face it. You refuse to do anything because it would disrupt your deal with the NRA and other militia groups across America. You crave these moments to flex your political power and therfore will never do anything about it.
I'm using major city crime / homicides to point out the absurdity of gun control measures.
Again I try to apply common sense.
Do I think there should be measures in place to check out who is buying guns? Yes.
Most States do this. There are loopholes which I never understood.
Do I think that will help? Not too much no.
AND THEN I ASK YOU TO LOOK AT STREET CRIME IN MAJOR USA CITIES where most of the time guns are used.
Why you so keen on defending Chicago and the DAILY carnage we see there?
Oh you think by me mentioning it that some how it's a RACIST remark?
Pathetic.
I don't see Republicans blaming anyone. You have the White House, The House and a 50/50 Senate. Get it done.
2019 USA Today
WASHINGTON – President Donald Trump said Friday that congressional leaders are talking about new "meaningful background checks" for gun buyers – but with input from the National Rifle Association and other gun groups that oppose current legislative proposals.
Trump predicted ongoing talks would produce "a very good package" for Congress to consider when it returns from summer recess in September. He also suggested there is a better "feeling" for getting something done than after a school shooting that killed 17 students and staff members in Parkland, Florida last year.
"We don’t want guns in the hands of the wrong people," Trump told reporters before departing the White House for a pair of fundraisers in New York.
Trump called for "common-sense background" checks, but did not detail what that might include. But he suggested the NRA would have input on whatever package emerges.
“We’ll see where the NRA is ... but we have to have meaningful background checks," Trump said, adding that the gun group has "good people" who want to do the right thing.
"I have a great relationship with the NRA," he said.
Earlier Friday, Trump said in a pair of tweets that "serious discussions are taking place between House and Senate leadership on meaningful Background Checks," adding that "guns should not be placed in the hands of mentally ill or deranged people."
Trump also acknowledged his talks this week with Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the NRA, and other gun rights groups in the wake of last weekend's mass shootings in Texas and Ohio. Trump said "their very strong views can be fully represented and respected" during the debate over gun policy.
"I am the biggest Second Amendment person there is, but we all must work together for the good and safety of our Country," Trump said.
And the answer to your question is that I do think anyone invading America would be very aware that the citizens have weapons so yes.
I am all for doing something.
You mentioned that changing airport security post 9/11 made airplanes more secure from weapons. It did.
Let's do something similar at schools to keep weapons out.
I am also for a police presence in schools. Which BTW, Steve Kerr, stated in the past that they needed to be removed because they were actually a danger to the kids. I wonder how he feels about that now? No one will have the balls to ask him, of course. But, I degress. Back to the issue at hand.
I am in favor of reasonable background checks. Let's keep nut jobs from buying guns in the first place. What is the definition of "reasonable?" This definition will broaden over time as gun deaths continue to happen, even after impletmention.
Some people, maybe you, IDK, have an ultimate goal of banning all firearms. How do you feel about that goal?
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If it's a gun problem as you say, then can you give me just one example of when a gun loaded itself and went and found a target to shoot? TIA.
In 2016, the NRA spent more than $30 million on behalf of the Trump campaign according to Federal Election Commission data.
The U.S. is the only nation in the world where civilian guns outnumber people. The U.S. has the highest firearm homicide rate in the developed world. If you can't see a connection, I don't know what to tell you.
Which one of those firearms loaded themselves and went on a killing spree? Not a hard question to answer.
The NRA and other gun toting fools love the Republican party and as a result support mass murders.
You can post all the bullshzt you like, but the truth is, Republicans love guns, the more the merrier. Join with Dems and establish a national law that does a complete background check on all gun purchasers. While we're at it, keep military style weapons from the public. Can you support that as a starting point?
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