Dude the generalizations need to end. Seriously.
Another mass shooting
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I think it’s silly to point to Chicago bc part of the problem in Chicago makes a case for why gun laws need to be federalized to at least a universal standard. It doesn’t help your argument it only makes it worse.
i didn’t take it as a racist remark. But you seem to know the undertone of what it signifies. So I’ll leave that between you and yourself.
if you say you’re a logical man then you should use your logic to understand that this doesn’t happen in any other civilized country. Why is that? We don’t have more mental illness than anyone else does. So what’s the difference? Could it be that we have 45% of the guns on the planet in one country? If you use your logic then it may makes sense to you…
Lets start with that assault weapon used in Buffalo. Your response is emblematic of Republican responses in general after such killings. Please read your post again and maybe you'll understand.
In other words, you've got nothing. This is a bad people problem, not a gun problem.
That’s not my goal cuz i never stated as such. I could care less if they ban firearms, it wouldn’t affect my daily life.
police presence in school is nice and should be there for reasons other than guns but both of the 2 major incidents occurred with armed security (retired police officer) and an actual police officer present and it didn’t deter the situation bc they were outgunned and the attacker had bodyarmor. So it makes it hard for them to respond. We used that idea already, not working. We need to try something else.
No, places like France have bad people that kill over 80+ at a time with vehicles. Take away guns and killers will always find other ways of carrying out their carnage. Are you for banning all trucks or just reducing their gas tank capacities to limit the amount of damage that they can do. A vehicle is a much more efficient mass killing weapon than any firearm you can mention here.
You guys pop off with factual statements but you hardly ever do the research so look below and then let me know if it changes anything you thought to be true.
By posting these stats I am in no way defending nor thrilled with the path America is on with these killings. Not mass shootings and not the increasing homicide rates either.
I posed my Chicago statement in the form of a question.
Average (Mean) Annual Death Rate per Million People from Mass Public Shootings (U.S., Canada, and Europe, 2009-2015):
- Norway — 1.888
- Serbia — 0.381
- France — 0.347
- Macedonia — 0.337
- Albania — 0.206
- Slovakia — 0.185
- Switzerland — 0.142
- Finland — 0.132
- Belgium — 0.128
- Czech Republic — 0.123
- United States — 0.089
- Austria — 0.068
- Netherlands — 0.051
- Canada — 0.032
- England — 0.027
- Germany — 0.023
- Russia — 0.012
- Italy — 0.009
World Population Review on Mass Shootings Worldwide.
Still it's awful very very awful.
And just to be clear; I point to Chicago, NY, Miami, Detroit, LA, and ANY OTHER city where the homicide rate is out of control without Party Affiliation.
It is a society out of control and no matter whether it's a mass shooting which has tremendous shock value or a racist based killing like Buffalo or just an everyday weekend in some of these cities, the HORROR IS THE SAME!
No difference. A crying embarrasing unmitigated disaster.
Comparing the Global Rate of Mass Public Shootings to the U.S.’s Rate and Comparing Their Changes Over Time
34 Pages Posted: 14 Dec 2018
John R. Lott
Crime Prevention Research Center
Date Written: November 12, 2018
Abstract
The U.S. is well below the world average in terms of the number of mass public shootings, and the global increase over time has been much bigger than for the United States.Over the 18 years from 1998 to 2015, our list contains 2,354 attacks and at least 4,880 shooters outside the United States and 53 attacks and 57 shooters within our country. By our count, the US makes up less than 1.15% of the mass public shooters, 1.49% of their murders, and 2.20% of their attacks. All these are much less than the US’s 4.6% share of the world population. Attacks in the US are not only less frequent than other countries, but they are also much less deadly on average.
Out of the 97 countries where we have identified mass public shootings occurring, the United States ranks 64th in the per capita frequency of these attacks and 65th in the murder rate.
Not only have these attacks been much more common outside the US, the US’s share of these attacks have declined over time. There has been a much bigger increase over time in the number and severity of mass shootings in the rest of the world compared to the US.
Ok great you’re reading stats! Now do gun involved homicides in all those countries. Not just mass shootings.
Let’s see those stats.
Dude I'm getting tired. I think we are both in DEEP agreement that all of this stinks bad.
You didn't address the, secure, single point point of entry idea.
You identify with specifics, what ideas you feel don't work to curb this type of incident.
Please tell with with specifics, what actions/ laws/ policy changes that could have been in place to prevent yesterday's shooting from happening.
And what you did there was disingenuous. You showed part of the report that favored your point, even tho most can figure out that it’s a bit empty and you left out the good part right after that. Let me help out everyone else for context since you already know this but didn’t wanna post it.
Statistics under scrutiny: Why some experts disagree with the CRPC report on mass shooters
As eye-opening as the CRPC study was, many statisticians believe the reason the results seem so counterintuitive is that they’re incorrect. One of the more detailed analyses appeared on the fact-checking website snopes.com and concluded that the CRPC report used “inappropriate statistical methods” which led to misleading results.According to the snopes analysis, one of those inappropriate methods was the leaving out of the many European countries that had not experienced a single mass shooting between 2009-2015. This data would not have changed the position of the U.S. on the list, but its absence could lead a reader to believe—incorrectly—that the U.S. experienced fewer mass shooting fatalities per capita than all but a handful of countries in Europe. A more important oversight, again according to snopes, was the report's use of average deaths per capita instead of a more stable metric. Thanks to the smaller populations of most European countries, individual events in those countries had statistically oversized influence and warped the results. For example, Norway’s world-leading annual rate was due to a single devastating 2011 event, in which far-right extremist Anders Behring Breivik gunned down 69 people at a summer camp on the island of Utøya. Norway had zero mass shootings in 2009, 2010, 2012, 2013, 2014, and 2015.
An easy, though arguably insensitive, way to illustrate the shortcomings of this approach is to imagine it applied to the 9/11 attacks, which killed 2,977 people in the United States on a single day in 2001. Running that data through the CRPC formula yields the following statistic: Plane hijackings by terrorists caused an average of 297.7 deaths per year in the U.S. from 2001-2010. This is mathematically accurate, but it paints a badly distorted picture of what actually happened during those ten years.
In addition, the CRPC study went a step further and computed average annual deaths per capita. Critics argue this further warps the data, because Norway’s population is a fraction of the U.S. population. As a result, Norway’s death rate came out more than 20 times higher than that of the U.S.—which tallied 66 deaths in 2012 alone (nearly matching Norway's total for the full study) and averaged at least one death per month for the entire seven-year data set.
Some context for everyone.
I put my ideas out on this thread in a few earlier post not about yesterday bc we don’t have enough info on yesterday. But it woulda helped last week and it woulda helped In Michigan earlier this year.
deuce1906:
"Nationwide background check, mandatory training (at least a one day course) or however many hrs experts and law enforcement deem is necessary, no more online sales (gotta go to a store or if you sell to a friend you gotta go thru a broker of some sort to certify the sale like a notary on a signature) and a solid 3-5 days waiting period to purchase a firearm.
you want an assault rifle you gotta do extra training for that. Like an additional day course or something.
I think those are sensible measures."
I found the above post from you, so I am assuming this is what you meant.
Let's take them one at a time.
Nationwide background check. I am actually in favor of this. But, to answer my question to you, how would this have prevented yesterdays shooting? The shooter would likely have passed.
Mandatory training. This will provide potential gun owners with proper guidelines for safety, but, fails to disclose whether or not a person has an evil intent.
No more online sales. I'm not entirely against this. But, again, this would not have prevented the shooting yesterday.
So I ask you again, what ideas do you have, that if implemented, would have prevented the shooting yesterday?
No wide brush. Just the facts. Republicans have held up sensible gun legislation for years. Deal with it!!
You missed the point central17...
No reason for this 18 yr old to be able to buy not 1 but 2 AR long guns ... without a permit ? or a 24hr waiting period.
Can't buy/lease a car without a valid photo driver's license and then proof of insurance...
I await your response (miami) central17 Rocket man.
I'm done with our discussion. You're not being serious. Speak to those grieving parents in Texas about your suggestions. Smfh
And you can speak to those 80+ families that were impacted in France. If that doesn't work then speak to those grieving families from that Christmas parade that a deranged lunatic plowed through. It seems as if you only get upset by certain acts of derangement and not others. Would you not agree that a vehicle makes for a much more efficient mass killing instrument than any gun available?
Thank you, the idiot was crying out there last night, and was decrying the thought of putting police officers in schools two years ago.
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So tired of the same old talking points by people only trying to place blame for political reasons, and offering nothing that will realistically solve the problem.
How about making schools a hard target.
Put a couple of police permanently in EVERY school. We need to start protecting our kids like we do our banks or gold.
There’s no reason not to do this, what’s more important kids or banks?
Only have one way to enter schools where people have to be buzzed in, and have multiple ways to exit the building.
Train and arm two or three teachers, no one needs to know who they are.
Instead of posting signs that say gun free zones, post signs that say armed security.
Make schools a HARD target!
How about making schools a hard target.
Put a couple of police permanently in EVERY school. We need to start protecting our kids like we do our banks or gold.
There’s no reason not to do this, what’s more important kids or banks?
Only have one way to enter schools where people have to be buzzed in, and have multiple ways to exit the building.
Train and arm two or three teachers, no one needs to know who they are.
Instead of posting signs that say gun free zones, post signs that say armed security.
Make schools a HARD target!
I feel sorry for law abiding citizens stuck in Democrat run cities that aren’t safe, and risk their lives just commuting to work.
They have to listen to woke idiots do everything they can, to make it impossible to protect themselves.
There’s not enough cops in the world to protect someone in democrat run cities. Cops are called after someone is shot.
They have to listen to woke idiots do everything they can, to make it impossible to protect themselves.
There’s not enough cops in the world to protect someone in democrat run cities. Cops are called after someone is shot.
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This incident should be "another day in America, i.e., "lets take a moment to honor the sacrifice of our brave school children who lay down their lives to protect our rights to bear Arms."
Disgusting, horrifying and shameful. We are No. 1 alright, but in the worst possible way.
Disgusting, horrifying and shameful. We are No. 1 alright, but in the worst possible way.
Yes to the above.
Not to be a broken record, but that is what is done in Israel. They have not had a school shooting death in 48 years.
I will agree with you that a background check, photo ID and a waiting period are absolutely reasonable restrictions. Have never written otherwise. I'd even put things like a drug test requirement on the table of discussion.
Just curious, do you believe that photo ID should be an absolute requirement to vote?
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