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Durham report WOW Trump was right they DID SPY ON HIM!

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This will be ignored by MSNBC and CNN and the Washington Post and NY Times although it is BIGGER than WATERGATE!

In addition Durham has spent 3.1 million in his investigation and lets contrast that to Mueller who spent 38.1 mm of our money. Both for 1 year periods.
 


This will be ignored by MSNBC and CNN and the Washington Post and NY Times although it is BIGGER than WATERGATE!

In addition Durham has spent 3.1 million in his investigation and lets contrast that to Mueller who spent 38.1 mm of our money. Both for 1 year periods.
OK, so lets just ignore all the eyewitness disclosures on how Trump tried to overturn the election because he was spied on. Makes sense to me!
 
OK, so lets just ignore all the eyewitness disclosures on how Trump tried to overturn the election because he was spied on. Makes sense to me!
So you have no problem with a sitting President of the United States of either party being spied on IN the White House? Figures. Guessing you wouldn't be ok with spying on Obama.
 
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OK, so lets just ignore all the eyewitness disclosures on how Trump tried to overturn the election because he was spied on. Makes sense to me!
Mike it's all coming FULL CIRCLE now! Trump said he was spied on and they laughed, he said Russia Collusion was a hoax and you dems laughed, bitched, whined, he said fake news was in bed with the Dems and you libs said he was anti-free press.
DNC paid for and commissioned the fake dossier by Steele CHECK
Hillary paid for and tried to have TECH COMPANY #1 hack into Trumps home and business computers to plant "Russian disinformaton" CHECK
Fake news ran with the BOGUS Russian collusion story and NOW WON"T REPORT on the Durham report CHECK

And then you libs scratch your heads as to why January 6th was a powder keg ready to explode.
For some supporters of Trump they had enough. It was 4 YEARS of disregarding their votes, harassment, lies, deceipt, cheating, spying, and preventing the man from running our Country AS HE WAS ELECTED TO DO!
 
The hypocrisy is ridiculous, democrats are screaming about 2020 , yet they still wrongfully claim that DJT was illegitimate.
It was a sham , a farce . Then DJT gets criticized for allegedly interfering with a bogus investigation which was conducted by highly partisan democrat scumbags . Mueller himself was clearly a victim of early onset dementia. His appearance in front of Congress was elder abuse. He was clueless
What an embarrassment
 
The hypocrisy is ridiculous, democrats are screaming about 2020 , yet they still wrongfully claim that DJT was illegitimate.
It was a sham , a farce . Then DJT gets criticized for allegedly interfering with a bogus investigation which was conducted by highly partisan democrat scumbags . Mueller himself was clearly a victim of early onset dementia. His appearance in front of Congress was elder abuse. He was clueless
What an embarrassment
Mueller in 1 year 31.8 mm $ Durham in 1 year 3.1mm $
 
it all comes down to RESPONSABILITY, which Dem's do not nor have shown ANY evidence they have. It comes down to LOVE, RESPECT, and APPRECIATION of COUNTRY, which they do NOT posses. THEY ONLY CARE for THEMSELVES and THEIR PARTY(PERIOD). It comes down to INTEGRITY , and this is something THEY DO NOT EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE. Where are the screams of betrayal, where are the articles, where is the OUTRAGE now that LIES, DISHONESTY, GASS-LIGHTING, WILLFUL BOLD FACED LIES are PROVEN ? AND with COORDINATION from HILLERY HERSELF on live TV, as her bought and paid for TEAM invaded, planted, and DESEMINATED self-=serving LIES to HARM and STEAL an AMERICAN PRESIDENCY. No DEM's DGAF about AMERICAN, nor AMERICANS, they care about DEM's and ANYTHING that agrees with them THAT THEY CAN USE TO GAIN AND HOLD ON TO POWER.
Think I'm Wrong? Wish I was, BUT YOU could always POST your Indignation, and show US ALL where your Virtue lies
 
We should spy on any president who lies nonstop to the American people.
case in point ! 🤣 😂 🤣😂U can always count on Cems to represent ROFLMAO. Who is WE ? Is "we" a Democrat or better yet Omar? What gives a Dem ANY right to assume They are or hold ANY Moral compass ? What have You done that is ANY GOOD for the Whole of The Country ? What makes Dem's THE AUTHORITY on TRUTH, when YOU HAVE BEEN CAUGHT LIEING SOOOO MANY TIMES ? Short answer NAGDT. Thanks Cems ! Hey did you read the Latest Hilldawg and DNC Crime ?
 


This will be ignored by MSNBC and CNN and the Washington Post and NY Times although it is BIGGER than WATERGATE!

In addition Durham has spent 3.1 million in his investigation and lets contrast that to Mueller who spent 38.1 mm of our money. Both for 1 year periods.
Gotta say the guy was spot on just about everything thrown at him..
 
case in point ! 🤣 😂 🤣😂U can always count on Cems to represent ROFLMAO. Who is WE ? Is "we" a Democrat or better yet Omar? What gives a Dem ANY right to assume They are or hold ANY Moral compass ? What have You done that is ANY GOOD for the Whole of The Country ? What makes Dem's THE AUTHORITY on TRUTH, when YOU HAVE BEEN CAUGHT LIEING SOOOO MANY TIMES ? Short answer NAGDT. Thanks Cems ! Hey did you read the Latest Hilldawg and DNC Crime ?
Have you heard Trump's accountant has quit? Maybe they got tired of the lies and corruption. Or maybe they're running for the hills cuz the NY State Attorney and Manhattan DA have finally nailed Trump's azz.
 
We should spy on any president who lies nonstop to the American people.
What kind of country do you want? If anyone infiltrated the White House servers to lie about any sitting president and the media and tech companies took part that’s what you want.
sounds like a modern day coup
Have you heard Trump's accountant has quit? Maybe they got tired of the lies and corruption. Or maybe they're running for the hills cuz the NY State Attorney and Manhattan DA have finally nailed Trump's azz.
or maybe the Ny state attorney has destroyed their business and they’ve had enough…
 
Dems January 6th was an INSURRECTION!
Also Dems lets spy on Trump before and after he was a US sitting President, plant evidence on his servers and then launch a 3.5 year investigation on the evidence they TRIED TO PLANT!!
Have you seen the movie Forrest Gump? There's a scene where Forrest is telling a story about one of his ventures at the bus stop but the old guy didn't believe him. The old guy goes "I've heard some whoppers in my day". That's my thought about your post.

Lol...lol
Lol...lol
 
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Seems to me Trump told more truth than nearly anyone. Hillary and the DNC on the other hand......................not so much.
Trump told 30,573 lies during his presidency. That's 21 lies per day. No question he told more lies than any other president.
 
" You can keep your health insurer. You can keep your doctor."
"I don't know anything about my son's business dealings" My son is the smartest person I've ever known. I'm not going to shut down the economy. I'm going to shut down the virus."
"You can drink disinfectant like bleach" to kill the virus. "The virus will slowly disappear by summer".
 
What kind of country do you want? If anyone infiltrated the White House servers to lie about any sitting president and the media and tech companies took part that’s what you want.
sounds like a modern day coup

or maybe the Ny state attorney has destroyed their business and they’ve had enough…
None of what you posted is the truth. Come again.
 
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What kind of country do you want? If anyone infiltrated the White House servers to lie about any sitting president and the media and tech companies took part that’s what you want.
sounds like a modern day coup

or maybe the Ny state attorney has destroyed their business and they’ve had enough…
Speaking of coup. How did that January 6th insurrection attempt fair?
 
We should spy on any president who lies nonstop to the American people.
cems, please answer this question honestly.
Who is the "we" that should decide?
Is it the RNC, the DNC, CNN, Fox, AOC, Jim Jordan, cems on Cane Sport?
Where does the rule of law start and begin? Many people in this country are starting to believe that the same rules do not apply for the political class.
THAT is the biggest threat to our democracy.
 
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Have you heard Trump's accountant has quit? Maybe they got tired of the lies and corruption. Or maybe they're running for the hills cuz the NY State Attorney and Manhattan DA have finally nailed Trump's azz.
Maybe maybe- Come back when he goes to jail. You can celebrate with your idols Adam Schiff and Eric Swalwell who used to be on the Intelligence Committee before McCarthy removed them.
 
What does this have to do with the Miami Hurricanes? I was under the impression that this site was a Sports site about the Miami Hurricanes. Why is all the Political stuff being posted here.
 
Trump told 30,573 lies during his presidency. That's 21 lies per day. No question he told more lies than any other president.
Biden over 16k lies and oh here you go again.

No, Trump Hasn't Made 20,000 'False or Misleading' Claims​

There are now 21 on-the-record denials rebutting The Atlantic’s bombshell alleging President Trump called American soldiers “losers” and “suckers.” Ignoring the most problematic aspect of Atlantic Editor Jeffrey Goldberg’s report – his sources were all anonymous -- many journalists saw this story as the perfect opportunity to wager the institutional media’s credibility against that of the president, who to be charitable, has a strained relationship with the truth.

Brian Stelter, the host of CNN’s media criticism show, “Reliable Sources,” began Sunday’s episode with a monologue lamenting the fact that many news outlets even bothered to report Trump’s vehement denials of The Atlantic story. “Why confer credibility where it doesn’t belong? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 20,000 times, well, shame on all of us,” he said. “Why keep acting like things are normal after 20,000 false and misleading claims?"

Indeed, per The Washington Post fact-checker database, President Trump has told 20,000 “false and misleading” claims through July 9 of this year – an astonishing average of nearly 16 false or misleading statements a day. Framed in those terms, Stelter has a point. Choosing between the credibility of Trump or, say, a CNN host, the editor of a prestige magazine such as The Atlantic, let alone a Washington Post fact-checker, is no choice at all.


The problem is that any cursory inspection of the Post database reveals that the idea that Trump has told 20,000 “false or misleading” statements is itself false and misleading. Vast quantities of the 20,000 are redundancies – statements, however tendentious, that Trump has repeated ad nauseum. More problematic is that thousands of statements The Washington Post labels as untrue or misleading are more properly considered the habitual verbal excess for a man known for his immoderate form of communication. Further, a great many of the Post’s objections to Trump’s statements amount to argumentative quibbles that aren’t really “fact checks.”


Just to start, here’s one of Trump’s most oft-repeated “lies,” according to Washington Post fact checkers: “My job was made harder by phony witch hunts, by ‘Russia, Russia, Russia’ nonsense.” The Post dings Trump for some variation of this claim 227 times – more than 1% of Trump’s alleged untruths. Yet, the Post’s justification for why Trump is wrong to say this is pure pettifogging.

Much of it essentially consists of a defense of the probe conducted by special prosecutor Robert Mueller. However, the most tangible results from the Mueller investigation – criminal charges for Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort for unrelated work in Ukraine and fecklessly charging (and then quietly dropping the charges) against a bunch of Russian nationals for hacking and other dirty computer tricks – don’t come close to proving Trump colluded with Russia to steal an election.


In that respect, the Post fact checker flirts with dishonesty in the way it omits salient facts. “Mueller declined to reach a decision on whether to bring charges against Trump for obstructing justice. … Mueller spent nearly half of the report laying out a sustained effort by Trump to derail the investigation, including an effort by the president to have Mueller removed,” notes the Post.
It’s telling the Post is dredging up the obstruction allegations. Trump supporters would frame what happened this way: The Mueller investigation started with no real evidence that Trump colluded with Russia, uncovered no new evidence, and when investigators realized they had nothing, pivoted to making a politicized case for obstruction while investigating a crime they knew didn’t exist. Meanwhile, a top FBI lawyer just pleaded guilty to lying on Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrants. If the FBI lied to get warrants to spy on Trump associates, that seems pretty close to “phony witch hunt.”

Suffice it to say, you will find numerous other Trump-Russia “fact checks” in the bowels of the Post database that fail to acknowledge there was major malfeasance in the FBI investigation, and there are reasons to believe the highest levels of the Obama administration knew about and enabled an improper and politicized investigation into Trump – reasons the fact checker credulously dismisses.

Setting aside 2016, the Post fact checker is also wading into the current election. How the Post justifies calling this statement misleading is a head-scratcher: “We need security, we can't defund our police and we can't abolish the police. They want to abolish our police.” (Again, the Post’s 20,000 total falsehoods registers Trump saying some variation of this eight different times.)
According to the Post this is false because “Biden does not support ‘defunding police,’ according to the candidate and the campaign.” However, the context of the Sean Hannity interview in which Trump makes the statement in no way suggests Trump is directly referring to Biden. “They” seems to mean the Democratic Party or the left more generally.
In addition, Biden has also said he’s “absolutely” in favor of redirecting funds from the police – which is the definition many “defund the police” supporters are using. Regardless, it’s true that numerous prominent Democrats and progressive activists have come out in favor of “defunding the police,” whatever that loaded phrase is supposed to mean. A New York Times article last month, headlined “Biden Said, ‘Most Cops Are Good.’ But Progressives Want Systemic Change,” testifies to the fact this is a significant intraparty tension. (See also this other Times op-ed from a progressive activist, “Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police.”)

Maybe you believe Biden, who has drifted left on numerous significant policy questions after a primary with socialist Bernie Sanders, can hold the line on defunding the police against many of his own supporters. But the Post has no business disputing Trump here. It looks as if the Post is moving the goalposts to give Biden cover on an issue hurting him at the polls.
Other allegedly misleading claims are simply insulting to readers, such as this one Trump’s been rung up for eight times: “We have tremendous African American support.” Trump exceeded expectations with his share of the African American vote in 2016. Regardless, is he supposed to call his own supporters lackluster? If this statement is “false or misleading,” what level of wishful political rhetoric is acceptable?
So far, all of the examples from the Post fact checker I’ve cited are from the first page of its database. But that’s the particular genius of what the Post has done – transformed thousands of nits it would like to pick into a cudgel of a talking point to be used against Trump, knowing no one is going to comb through such an exhaustive and tedious list.
I’ve spent the better part of a decade offering occasionally exhaustive analyses of why the entire media fact-checking enterprise is flawed, never mind the outrageous political double standards fact checkers employed in the Obama years.

However, I’ve also long said that if you must rely on a fact checker – and I don’t recommend it – The Washington Post is the best of the bunch. The Post fact-checking operation is more transparent and less biased than others, and head fact checker Glenn Kessler is responsive to complaints and is certainly capable of doing excellent journalism – see his recent deep dive into a GOP Senate candidate’s claims about his charitable work.
Had Post fact checkers been more discerning, they could have nailed Trump on a much smaller, but still impressive number of claims that would be difficult to dispute. Instead, they buffaloed the public with the dubious claim Trump has made an astounding 20,000 false or misleading statements. The worry is now that the media’s habitual overreach in the Trump era will endure long after Trump leaves office. In the meantime, there’s an election in two months, and voters who are asked to choose between the media’s credibility and Trump’s are frantically looking to see what’s behind door No. 3.
 
So you have no problem with a sitting President of the United States of either party being spied on IN the White House? Figures. Guessing you wouldn't be ok with spying on Obama.
So you have no problem with a presidential candidate trying to divert democracy by employing multiple schemes to overturn an election?
 
can you apply THAT to Hilary Clinton, Obama, The DNC, and Dem Media ? All of those participated in conducting, and covering up an attack on a US President, which involved trying to Overturn an Election as well. Where is your opinion on THAT ? Does That Reality exist in your mind ?
🧐🤓🥸,,,,,,,,,🥱
 
Biden over 16k lies and oh here you go again.

No, Trump Hasn't Made 20,000 'False or Misleading' Claims​

There are now 21 on-the-record denials rebutting The Atlantic’s bombshell alleging President Trump called American soldiers “losers” and “suckers.” Ignoring the most problematic aspect of Atlantic Editor Jeffrey Goldberg’s report – his sources were all anonymous -- many journalists saw this story as the perfect opportunity to wager the institutional media’s credibility against that of the president, who to be charitable, has a strained relationship with the truth.

Brian Stelter, the host of CNN’s media criticism show, “Reliable Sources,” began Sunday’s episode with a monologue lamenting the fact that many news outlets even bothered to report Trump’s vehement denials of The Atlantic story. “Why confer credibility where it doesn’t belong? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 20,000 times, well, shame on all of us,” he said. “Why keep acting like things are normal after 20,000 false and misleading claims?"

Indeed, per The Washington Post fact-checker database, President Trump has told 20,000 “false and misleading” claims through July 9 of this year – an astonishing average of nearly 16 false or misleading statements a day. Framed in those terms, Stelter has a point. Choosing between the credibility of Trump or, say, a CNN host, the editor of a prestige magazine such as The Atlantic, let alone a Washington Post fact-checker, is no choice at all.


The problem is that any cursory inspection of the Post database reveals that the idea that Trump has told 20,000 “false or misleading” statements is itself false and misleading. Vast quantities of the 20,000 are redundancies – statements, however tendentious, that Trump has repeated ad nauseum. More problematic is that thousands of statements The Washington Post labels as untrue or misleading are more properly considered the habitual verbal excess for a man known for his immoderate form of communication. Further, a great many of the Post’s objections to Trump’s statements amount to argumentative quibbles that aren’t really “fact checks.”


Just to start, here’s one of Trump’s most oft-repeated “lies,” according to Washington Post fact checkers: “My job was made harder by phony witch hunts, by ‘Russia, Russia, Russia’ nonsense.” The Post dings Trump for some variation of this claim 227 times – more than 1% of Trump’s alleged untruths. Yet, the Post’s justification for why Trump is wrong to say this is pure pettifogging.

Much of it essentially consists of a defense of the probe conducted by special prosecutor Robert Mueller. However, the most tangible results from the Mueller investigation – criminal charges for Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort for unrelated work in Ukraine and fecklessly charging (and then quietly dropping the charges) against a bunch of Russian nationals for hacking and other dirty computer tricks – don’t come close to proving Trump colluded with Russia to steal an election.


In that respect, the Post fact checker flirts with dishonesty in the way it omits salient facts. “Mueller declined to reach a decision on whether to bring charges against Trump for obstructing justice. … Mueller spent nearly half of the report laying out a sustained effort by Trump to derail the investigation, including an effort by the president to have Mueller removed,” notes the Post.
It’s telling the Post is dredging up the obstruction allegations. Trump supporters would frame what happened this way: The Mueller investigation started with no real evidence that Trump colluded with Russia, uncovered no new evidence, and when investigators realized they had nothing, pivoted to making a politicized case for obstruction while investigating a crime they knew didn’t exist. Meanwhile, a top FBI lawyer just pleaded guilty to lying on Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrants. If the FBI lied to get warrants to spy on Trump associates, that seems pretty close to “phony witch hunt.”

Suffice it to say, you will find numerous other Trump-Russia “fact checks” in the bowels of the Post database that fail to acknowledge there was major malfeasance in the FBI investigation, and there are reasons to believe the highest levels of the Obama administration knew about and enabled an improper and politicized investigation into Trump – reasons the fact checker credulously dismisses.

Setting aside 2016, the Post fact checker is also wading into the current election. How the Post justifies calling this statement misleading is a head-scratcher: “We need security, we can't defund our police and we can't abolish the police. They want to abolish our police.” (Again, the Post’s 20,000 total falsehoods registers Trump saying some variation of this eight different times.)
According to the Post this is false because “Biden does not support ‘defunding police,’ according to the candidate and the campaign.” However, the context of the Sean Hannity interview in which Trump makes the statement in no way suggests Trump is directly referring to Biden. “They” seems to mean the Democratic Party or the left more generally.
In addition, Biden has also said he’s “absolutely” in favor of redirecting funds from the police – which is the definition many “defund the police” supporters are using. Regardless, it’s true that numerous prominent Democrats and progressive activists have come out in favor of “defunding the police,” whatever that loaded phrase is supposed to mean. A New York Times article last month, headlined “Biden Said, ‘Most Cops Are Good.’ But Progressives Want Systemic Change,” testifies to the fact this is a significant intraparty tension. (See also this other Times op-ed from a progressive activist, “Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police.”)

Maybe you believe Biden, who has drifted left on numerous significant policy questions after a primary with socialist Bernie Sanders, can hold the line on defunding the police against many of his own supporters. But the Post has no business disputing Trump here. It looks as if the Post is moving the goalposts to give Biden cover on an issue hurting him at the polls.
Other allegedly misleading claims are simply insulting to readers, such as this one Trump’s been rung up for eight times: “We have tremendous African American support.” Trump exceeded expectations with his share of the African American vote in 2016. Regardless, is he supposed to call his own supporters lackluster? If this statement is “false or misleading,” what level of wishful political rhetoric is acceptable?
So far, all of the examples from the Post fact checker I’ve cited are from the first page of its database. But that’s the particular genius of what the Post has done – transformed thousands of nits it would like to pick into a cudgel of a talking point to be used against Trump, knowing no one is going to comb through such an exhaustive and tedious list.
I’ve spent the better part of a decade offering occasionally exhaustive analyses of why the entire media fact-checking enterprise is flawed, never mind the outrageous political double standards fact checkers employed in the Obama years.

However, I’ve also long said that if you must rely on a fact checker – and I don’t recommend it – The Washington Post is the best of the bunch. The Post fact-checking operation is more transparent and less biased than others, and head fact checker Glenn Kessler is responsive to complaints and is certainly capable of doing excellent journalism – see his recent deep dive into a GOP Senate candidate’s claims about his charitable work.
Had Post fact checkers been more discerning, they could have nailed Trump on a much smaller, but still impressive number of claims that would be difficult to dispute. Instead, they buffaloed the public with the dubious claim Trump has made an astounding 20,000 false or misleading statements. The worry is now that the media’s habitual overreach in the Trump era will endure long after Trump leaves office. In the meantime, there’s an election in two months, and voters who are asked to choose between the media’s credibility and Trump’s are frantically looking to see what’s behind door No. 3.
I didn't read your entire post. Too much nonsense and lies. Trump is under investigation for lying on his tax returns for years but now you claim he's an angel who doesn't lie. GTFOH!!!!
 
Can't you guys stop with all the Trump BS, both pro and con? None of this dialogue is important. What is important is the spying by Clinton personnel on a candidate for president and then a sitting president represent real threats to our democracy. I can't believe that neither dems or repubs on this site aren't totally outraged by this especially since we have argued endlessly about Jan 6 and Portland/Seattle being the end of the world. Come on, you guys, wake the F up
 
Maybe maybe- Come back when he goes to jail. You can celebrate with your idols Adam Schiff and Eric Swalwell who used to be on the Intelligence Committee before McCarthy removed them.
Is that your only measure of a criminal....going to jail? What about the many investigations and lawsuits? What about 2 impeachments? What about Trump’s attempt to overthrow the government. Al Capone was a criminal long before they finally nailed him with tax evasion. You got so much to learn.
 
Is that your only measure of a criminal....going to jail? What about the many investigations and lawsuits? What about 2 impeachments? What about Trump’s attempt to overthrow the government. Al Capone was a criminal long before they finally nailed him with tax evasion. You got so much to learn.
Since you are so open minded and have so much to teach us please share your enlightenment
 
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cems, please answer this question honestly.
Who is the "we" that should decide?
Is it the RNC, the DNC, CNN, Fox, AOC, Jim Jordan, cems on Cane Sport?
Where does the rule of law start and begin? Many people in this country are starting to believe that the same rules do not apply for the political class.
THAT is the biggest threat to our democracy.
We, meaning the American people. The only people who believe that are Republicans. Your peeps believe in Putin like governments AKA Fascism. Ask Trump.
 
Since I appear to be one of the few on this site who truly has an open mind on politics, I am justified in saying this Clinton crap, if true, is worse than Watergate. If you don't agree then please join the squirrel in looking for the proverbial acorn
 
can you apply THAT to Hilary Clinton, Obama, The DNC, and Dem Media ? All of those participated in conducting, and covering up an attack on a US President, which involved trying to Overturn an Election as well. Where is your opinion on THAT ? Does That Reality exist in your mind ?
🧐🤓🥸,,,,,,,,,🥱
You're here on an expired Visa. Time to back to Serbia. U.S. elections are of no concern to you.
 
Since I appear to be one of the few on this site who truly has an open mind on politics, I am justified in saying this Clinton crap, if true, is worse than Watergate. If you don't agree then please join the squirrel in looking for the proverbial acorn
You claim to have an open mind on politics and not to be a Trumper but you are always one of the first in line to defend him. Open mind my ass!
 
You claim to have an open mind on politics and not to be a Trumper but you are always one of the first in line to defend him. Open mind my ass!
I'll defend anyone who I think is correct in his/her actions or deeds. The difference between shallow, jaded thinkers like you and me is I actually think before I touch a key or open my mouth. It's very easy to hide behind a keyboard as you continually demonstrate
 
We, meaning the American people. The only people who believe that are Republicans. Your peeps believe in Putin like governments AKA Fascism. Ask Trump.
cems, every now and then, I try to give you the benefit of the doubt and attempt to engage in an inteligent discussion with you. Then you quickly remind me you are just a dumb ass and not worthy being treated with any respect.
 
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