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For the Libs touting the Amash B.S.

Amash has been transparent and honest about everything he believes in, and why he votes on every single bill. He believes in the Constitution and not on party affiliations. It is pretty near impossible to find a politician that is as transparent as Amash is regardless of his feelings about the Mueller Report.
 
Amash has been transparent and honest about everything he believes in, and why he votes on every single bill. He believes in the Constitution and not on party affiliations. It is pretty near impossible to find a politician that is as transparent as Amash is regardless of his feelings about the Mueller Report.

He can be transparent and honest...but you have to wonder if the position has to do with Tekton?

We would probably have to ask him.

But it certainly appears that the position is related to the company issues.
 
Either way it’s a direct conflict of interest with his seat.

His business involves Chinese manufacturing. Guess what? So do most American businesses. The bottom line is labor is cheaper in China. Business owners are trying to get their products made at the lowest possible cost. Why would any capitalist be against that?
 
His business involves Chinese manufacturing. Guess what? So do most American businesses. The bottom line is labor is cheaper in China. Business owners are trying to get their products made at the lowest possible cost. Why would any capitalist be against that?

Well that’s just great but not the point here. The point being why now after tariffs does he say he supports impeachment. He certainly didn’t just get the Mueller report.
 
Well that’s just great but not the point here. The point being why now after tariffs does he say he supports impeachment. He certainly didn’t just get the Mueller report.

I have no idea. Perhaps he thought about the payoff of the porn star, perhaps he remembered Trump's anti-American performance in Helsinki, or maybe he actually read the report and formed opinion. I don't know. The bottom line is even if he did do it because of his business he wouldn't be the first politician to vote or act in their own self-interest. Does every politician that gets money from a union or the NRA or any organization also have a conflict of interest? If so, Congress would be empty.
 
He is a RINO and has been against Trump since day one - In fact he will probably be switching parties soon - Republicans are already lining up against him for the next election
 
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He is a RINO and has been against Trump since day one - In fact he will probably be switching parties soon - Republicans are already lining up against him for the next election

Actually votes with Trump more than 60% of the time. Not exactly what I would describe as an opponent. Funny that a moderate is absolutely demonized and you all bitch about dems going too far left. Apparently you aren't fans of the center either.
 
I have no idea. Perhaps he thought about the payoff of the porn star, perhaps he remembered Trump's anti-American performance in Helsinki, or maybe he actually read the report and formed opinion. I don't know. The bottom line is even if he did do it because of his business he wouldn't be the first politician to vote or act in their own self-interest. Does every politician that gets money from a union or the NRA or any organization also have a conflict of interest? If so, Congress would be empty.

The statement you repeat is” I don’t Know “ now that’s the truth you and the rest of the TDS crowd have been guessing and guessing wrong for over two years now. As for congress you are correct they yell they want transparency but try and get the list of sexual harassment claims paid and who for. Better yet where did money come from and who authorized funding.
 
The statement you repeat is” I don’t Know “ now that’s the truth you and the rest of the TDS crowd have been guessing and guessing wrong for over two years now. As for congress you are correct they yell they want transparency but try and get the list of sexual harassment claims paid and who for. Better yet where did money come from and who authorized funding.

You're right I don't know and neither do you. All I know is what he said just like you. As far as the rest of your post it looks like you changed the subject but I'm assuming you agree that mostly every politician is going to act or vote in their self-interest. Both parties.
 
You're right I don't know and neither do you. All I know is what he said just like you. As far as the rest of your post it looks like you changed the subject but I'm assuming you agree that mostly every politician is going to act or vote in their self-interest. Both parties.
Lou l don’t think you’re a good judge of a politician being moderate, since ther’s no such thing as an elected democrat moderate.
 
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Lou l don’t think you’re a good judge of a politician being moderate, since ther’s no such thing as an elected democrat moderate.

So voting along party lines 60% of the time isn't moderate? If that's not moderate then what the hell is?
 
Lou l don’t think you’re a good judge of a politician being moderate, since ther’s no such thing as an elected democrat moderate.

Doug Jones, Joe Manchin, Mark Warner all Democratic senators and all vote with Trump close to half the time I'd guess. Not to mention quite a few others that vote with him a third of time. I know it doesn't fit your narrative but don't let facts get in your way. Not sure what moderate means to you but you sound really stupid when you say there are no democratic moderates.
 
Doug Jones, Joe Manchin, Mark Warner all Democratic senators and all vote with Trump close to half the time I'd guess. Not to mention quite a few others that vote with him a third of time. I know it doesn't fit your narrative but don't let facts get in your way. Not sure what moderate means to you but you sound really stupid when you say there are no democratic moderates.

They vote just enough to satisfy constituents in their state, and if the bill is going to pass anyway, they get permission from their leadership to vote with Trump. You can’t go strictly off voting records.
 
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You’re in denial Lou, this isn’t JfK’s Democrat party, when it came to economics, he was definitely a supply side President.Yes, what the Democrats today call trickle down economics.
 
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Actually votes with Trump more than 60% of the time. Not exactly what I would describe as an opponent. Funny that a moderate is absolutely demonized and you all bitch about dems going too far left. Apparently you aren't fans of the center either.
He voted against funding the border wall, against Kate’s Law, against every immigration lawTrump has proposed, against government funding during the shutdown , against concealed weapon carry across state lines, etc etc etc and he has been a congressman for 8 years and has basically done nothing but rename a post office as cushing pointed out He has voted present several times
 
His business involves Chinese manufacturing. Guess what? So do most American businesses. The bottom line is labor is cheaper in China. Business owners are trying to get their products made at the lowest possible cost. Why would any capitalist be against that?
My in-laws do business with China in the same manner, the difference being is they don’t carry a security clearance. See where I’m going with this. He’s vulnerable & it’s direct conflict of interest. I’d love to know how he was granted a clearance in the first place.
 
My in-laws do business with China in the same manner, the difference being is they don’t carry a security clearance. See where I’m going with this. He’s vulnerable & it’s direct conflict of interest. I’d love to know how he was granted a clearance in the first place.

So because the products in his business are made in China he's automatically disqualified from having a security clearance? Not sure I follow. Doesn't the president also have business interests abroad?
 
I believe the Presidents business is in real estate. There’s no direct correlation to leverage short of the Chinese trying to make some deal with him. Could it be? Absolutely could be! The Russian Trump deal for a hotel / casino, had it been done would have been a conflict of interest. Why do these words not mean anything anymore? Honestly I see it all the time in my profession and it’s always been a big deal until the last 10 years.
 
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You’re in denial Lou, this isn’t JfK’s Democrat party, when it came to economics, he was definitely a supply side President.Yes, what the Democrats today call trickle down economics.

This isn't Ronald Reagan's Republican party either.
 
I believe the Presidents business is in real estate. There’s no direct correlation to leverage short of the Chinese trying to make some deal with him. Could it be? Absolutely could be! The Russian Trump deal for a hotel / casino, had it been done would have been a conflict of interest. Why do these words not mean anything anymore? Honestly I see it all the time in my profession and it’s always been a big deal until the last 10 years.

So any member of Congress involved in business with China in any way has a conflict of interest? Not sure I agree with that at all. Are you saying it's a conflict because they would be hurt by the tariffs and therefore against the tariffs? In that case you could argue that any member who pays higher prices due to tariffs would be negatively impacted. Or you can make the argument that any member whose business benefited from the cut in the corporate tax rate also has a conflict of interest.
 
He voted against funding the border wall, against Kate’s Law, against every immigration lawTrump has proposed, against government funding during the shutdown , against concealed weapon carry across state lines, etc etc etc and he has been a congressman for 8 years and has basically done nothing but rename a post office as cushing pointed out He has voted present several times

Maybe he did vote against those things. If he did good for him. Most people are against border walls and carrying concealed weapons across state lines. Not exactly moderate proposals. Those are far right proposals that most don't want
 
So any member of Congress involved in business with China in any way has a conflict of interest? Not sure I agree with that at all. Are you saying it's a conflict because they would be hurt by the tariffs and therefore against the tariffs? In that case you could argue that any member who pays higher prices due to tariffs would be negatively impacted. Or you can make the argument that any member whose business benefited from the cut in the corporate tax rate also has a conflict of interest.
Doing business when you’re a full time sitting member of Congress is a conflict of interest. As a full time public servant, your job is vested in the people’s interest not your own. It also opens doors to things like insider trading, depending on which committee you sit on, amongst other issues. You want to know why DC is as corrupt as it is? That is why. No sitting member of congress making $175k a year should leave office a newly minted millionaire if you know what I’m saying. This is why trump handed the businesses he owns over to his family members. I respect that but I’m also aware as to how this can be used against him too. The members of Congress have power to use their policy making decisions for their own personal gain. That isn’t what our country was founded upon. This is my opinion obviously but I’m just trying to explain why it’s a conflict of interest.
 
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Maybe he did vote against those things. If he did good for him. Most people are against border walls and carrying concealed weapons across state lines. Not exactly moderate proposals. Those are far right proposals that most don't want
Where did you get that info from?
 
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Doing business when you’re a full time sitting member of Congress is a conflict of interest. As a full time public servant, your job is vested in the people’s interest not your own. It also opens doors to things like insider trading, depending on which committee you sit on, amongst other issues. You want to know why DC is as corrupt as it is? That is why. No sitting member of congress making $175k a year should leave office a newly minted millionaire if you know what I’m saying. This is why trump handed the businesses he owns over to his family members. I respect that but I’m also aware as to how this can be used against him too. The members of Congress have power to use their policy making decisions for their own personal gain. That isn’t what our country was founded upon. This is my opinion obviously but I’m just trying to explain why it’s a conflict of interest.

So essentially you're saying no business person should be in Congress. Whether or not they are actively running their business (I've got beachfront property in Kansas I'd like to sell you if you actually believe Trump is not involved with his business) there would still be a conflict since the business could benefit from a particular vote.
 
So essentially you're saying no business person should be in Congress. Whether or not they are actively running their business (I've got beachfront property in Kansas I'd like to sell you if you actually believe Trump is not involved with his business) there would still be a conflict since the business could benefit from a particular vote.
That isn’t what I said at all. I said that if you’re running a business while being paid on the govt dime, and that business conflicts with your duties as a civil servant than that is the very definition of a conflict of interest. I’m not sure what’s so hard to understand about that?
 
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That isn’t what I said at all. I said that if you’re running a business while being paid on the govt dime, and that business conflicts with your duties as a civil servant than that is the very definition of a conflict of interest. I’m not sure what’s so hard to understand about that?

Define what "conflicts with your duties as a civil servant" means. I understand what you are saying but this is not nearly as simple as you make it out to be. For example, is any member of Congress who owns a business in conflict if they voted for a tax cut for those businesses? If not how is it different from him being against tariffs? They would both be voting for a measure that would reduce costs to their business.
 
Define what "conflicts with your duties as a civil servant" means. I understand what you are saying but this is not nearly as simple as you make it out to be. For example, is any member of Congress who owns a business in conflict if they voted for a tax cut for those businesses? If not how is it different from him being against tariffs? They would both be voting for a measure that would reduce costs to their business.
True they would, and yes it’s still a conflict of interest. It’s price of doing business if you want to be in politics. It also could become an ethics violation according to house committee rules.
 
True they would, and yes it’s still a conflict of interest. It’s price of doing business if you want to be in politics. It also could become an ethics violation according to house committee rules.

Well I'm willing to bet that there are multiple members of Congress that own businesses and voted for the tax cut. Not to mention all the politicians that personally benefited from the reduction in their personal tax rate. My point is Congress passes laws all the time that have an impact nationwide and it is impossible for them not to be impacted. Hence it is not a conflict of interest.
 
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