I see Fascism right now happening on the Trump right that is undeniable when you look at what Fascism is.

[cdwright40]

The projection of accusing others of doing what they do on a monumental scale. The acts of violence and the threats of violence. I see the allegiance to Putin. I see the acts of not accepting democracy. Looking to "find" votes. New rules in states that are losing the popular vote. The disregard of the social norms and laws. The freedom they feel to be destructive and just do what they feel like doing regardless of if it is illegal. It seems MAGA or Make America great is code for when Americans lives largely with a lack of a moral code. in the 1700's and 1800's.

Are Trump Republicans Fascists?

No, says BU historian Jonathan Zatlin, but they can still be dangerous

www.bu.edu

 

[Raoul2]

The projection of accusing others of doing what they do on a monumental scale. The acts of violence and the threats of violence. I see the allegiance to Putin. I see the acts of not accepting democracy. Looking to "find" votes. New rules in states that are losing the popular vote. The disregard of the social norms and laws. The freedom they feel to be destructive and just do what they feel like doing regardless of if it is illegal. It seems MAGA or Make America great is code for when Americans lives largely with a lack of a moral code. in the 1700's and 1800's.

Are Trump Republicans Fascists?

No, says BU historian Jonathan Zatlin, but they can still be dangerous

www.bu.edu

You're spot on.

The Texas GOP platform released the other day is basically an authoritarian fascist platform. Even ordinary Republican politicians who have served this country in wars are being attacked as "globalist RINOs". This is clearly a party that is unstable and in severe moral decline.

 

[NO.SHORECANE]

The projection of accusing others of doing what they do on a monumental scale. The acts of violence and the threats of violence. I see the allegiance to Putin. I see the acts of not accepting democracy. Looking to "find" votes. New rules in states that are losing the popular vote. The disregard of the social norms and laws. The freedom they feel to be destructive and just do what they feel like doing regardless of if it is illegal. It seems MAGA or Make America great is code for when Americans lives largely with a lack of a moral code. in the 1700's and 1800's.

Are Trump Republicans Fascists?

No, says BU historian Jonathan Zatlin, but they can still be dangerous

www.bu.edu

Boston University - LOL! Woke City-AOC"S alma mater.

 

[majus12]

Boston University - LOL! Woke City-AOC"S alma mater.

THESE 2 douchbags make me laugh daily.
EVERY day more and more absurd bullshyt comes from their shallow, emotional, ignorant thought process’s.
I look forward to reading what they embarrass their donkey selves with.
We need people like them for comic relief.
“Stupid is as Stupid does”
Pfffft

 

[321Cane407]

You're spot on.

The Texas GOP platform released the other day is basically an authoritarian fascist platform. Even ordinary Republican politicians who have served this country in wars are being attacked as "globalist RINOs". This is clearly a party that is unstable and in severe moral decline.

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Abnormal just means deviating from a usual outcome. Are most people not straight?

 

[cdwright40]

Abnormal just means deviating from a usual outcome. Are most people not straight?

Deviating? Please...it's bullying. Not Deviating. There is a difference.

 

[sabrose]

By any definition homosexuality is abnormal. One only has to study biology to understand that. The question is to we punish people for their abnormality? No we shouldn't. As most gay people are good people who historically have contributed to science and the arts historically ,they should be allowed to live their lives in peace. But pushing that lifestyle on the majority of the population especially to children is offensive and should be curtailed.
As for the 2020 election there are major issues with it that strongly suggest fraud. One only has to look at Joe Biden's popularity numbers, his campaign and his feeble state to question the 2020 election.
As for fascism ,big tech and the Biden Administration have censored speech, engaged in violation of the 1st,4th and 6th amendments for the Jan 6 protestors .Their attempts to federalize election law violate the 4th amendment .There are many other violations of law.
Joe Biden's criminal pay for play enterprise has been ignored while none of the Accusations against Trump held water.
Those that support the Biden administration are either ignorant, have a hate on for the society due to financial or racial bias or somehow profit from the subterfuge that is the Democrat party.

 

[cems52]

I especially like this quote in the article.

Is there any fascist analog on the American left?​

That’s one of those rhetorical questions that’s easily disposed of. There is no such thing as fascism on the American left. There might be violence on the American left, although there’s far less than there is on the right. This is a tactical move on the right to deny its own responsibility.

Love it!!

 

[cems52]

By any definition homosexuality is abnormal. One only has to study biology to understand that. The question is to we punish people for their abnormality? No we shouldn't. As most gay people are good people who historically have contributed to science and the arts historically ,they should be allowed to live their lives in peace. But pushing that lifestyle on the majority of the population especially to children is offensive and should be curtailed.
As for the 2020 election there are major issues with it that strongly suggest fraud. One only has to look at Joe Biden's popularity numbers, his campaign and his feeble state to question the 2020 election.
As for fascism ,big tech and the Biden Administration have censored speech, engaged in violation of the 1st,4th and 6th amendments for the Jan 6 protestors .Their attempts to federalize election law violate the 4th amendment .There are many other violations of law.
Joe Biden's criminal pay for play enterprise has been ignored while none of the Accusations against Trump held water.
Those that support the Biden administration are either ignorant, have a hate on for the society due to financial or racial bias or somehow profit from the subterfuge that is the Democrat party.

Interesting quote from your post.

"As for the 2020 election there are major issues with it that strongly suggest fraud. One only has to look at Joe Biden's popularity numbers, his campaign and his feeble state to question the 2020 election."

Do you have proof of your fraud claim? Please elaborate. Trump got his azz handed to him and he lost. More Americans felt as they do today, Trump was not up for the job.

 

[Raoul2]

By any definition homosexuality is abnormal. One only has to study biology to understand that. The question is to we punish people for their abnormality? No we shouldn't. As most gay people are good people who historically have contributed to science and the arts historically ,they should be allowed to live their lives in peace. But pushing that lifestyle on the majority of the population especially to children is offensive and should be curtailed.
As for the 2020 election there are major issues with it that strongly suggest fraud. One only has to look at Joe Biden's popularity numbers, his campaign and his feeble state to question the 2020 election.
As for fascism ,big tech and the Biden Administration have censored speech, engaged in violation of the 1st,4th and 6th amendments for the Jan 6 protestors .Their attempts to federalize election law violate the 4th amendment .There are many other violations of law.
Joe Biden's criminal pay for play enterprise has been ignored while none of the Accusations against Trump held water.
Those that support the Biden administration are either ignorant, have a hate on for the society due to financial or racial bias or somehow profit from the subterfuge that is the Democrat party.

Abnormal would be the wrong term. Its just as biological as heterosexuality is and has a clear evolutionary benefit to the species, which has been proven in scientific research.

As for Biden, people support him because the guy before him is a criminal who tried to destroy the country by overturning a legal and legitimate election because his weak ego couldn't admit he lost. If there was a normal Republican in office over the previous 4 years, Biden wouldn't have even run. The people wanted rid of the scumbag and Biden was the vehicle to accomplish it.

 

[remma]

I especially like this quote in the article.

Is there any fascist analog on the American left?​

That’s one of those rhetorical questions that’s easily disposed of. There is no such thing as fascism on the American left.

Guess they should go grab a copy of New York Times best seller Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, from Mussolini to the Politics of Change


prior to the book’s appearance just about every writer and thinker since 1945 assumed fascism and Naziism were manifestations of extremism on the right. It seemed plausible and fair. After all, counterbalancing fascism we had communism, the left’s own form of extremism. One really nasty political outlook was thus placed at the far end of each side, an evident symmetry that rendered Western societies’ political factions essentially even and discouraged further complaint or introspection about one’s assigned shade on the political spectrum. This orthodoxy was strengthened by the Cold War-era tendency of many non-Communist authoritarian regimes, often displaying the trappings of fascism and typically described as right-wing, to align themselves with the West. If fascists were anything but right-wing, why would such regimes make common cause with the capitalist democracies instead of the Soviet Union?

But there were always cracks in this cognitive armour. In truth, communism and fascism are at root virtually identical – however much they might differ in appearance, rhetoric, tactics or other superficial elements.

 

[alanpen]

I would be ver

The projection of accusing others of doing what they do on a monumental scale. The acts of violence and the threats of violence. I see the allegiance to Putin. I see the acts of not accepting democracy. Looking to "find" votes. New rules in states that are losing the popular vote. The disregard of the social norms and laws. The freedom they feel to be destructive and just do what they feel like doing regardless of if it is illegal. It seems MAGA or Make America great is code for when Americans lives largely with a lack of a moral code. in the 1700's and 1800's.

Are Trump Republicans Fascists?

No, says BU historian Jonathan Zatlin, but they can still be dangerous

www.bu.edu

I would be very interested in how you define Fascism. Most people use the term but have no idea what it means. They just tag someone with the moniker knowing it has such a bad rep.

 

[cdwright40]

@alanpen there really is not much ambiguity here. Fascism is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalist, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and the economy that rose to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

We are seeing these things occurring with the far right here right now with the MAGA crowd if you look at what is on video, phone recordings, pictures, and testimonies. Not just for Jan 6th either. These are just people that are out of control for perceived power. A total disrespect for the democratic process or the constitution. Also a total disrespect of fellow Americans. The way that poll worker and her family were treated was completely unacceptable in this country.

 

[cems52]

Guess they should go grab a copy of New York Times best seller Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, from Mussolini to the Politics of Change


prior to the book’s appearance just about every writer and thinker since 1945 assumed fascism and Naziism were manifestations of extremism on the right. It seemed plausible and fair. After all, counterbalancing fascism we had communism, the left’s own form of extremism. One really nasty political outlook was thus placed at the far end of each side, an evident symmetry that rendered Western societies’ political factions essentially even and discouraged further complaint or introspection about one’s assigned shade on the political spectrum. This orthodoxy was strengthened by the Cold War-era tendency of many non-Communist authoritarian regimes, often displaying the trappings of fascism and typically described as right-wing, to align themselves with the West. If fascists were anything but right-wing, why would such regimes make common cause with the capitalist democracies instead of the Soviet Union?

But there were always cracks in this cognitive armour. In truth, communism and fascism are at root virtually identical – however much they might differ in appearance, rhetoric, tactics or other superficial elements.

Suffice to say the Left and Right have extremists regardless of name.

 

[majus12]

@alanpen there really is not much ambiguity here. Fascism is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalist, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and the economy that rose to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

We are seeing these things occurring with the far right here right now with the MAGA crowd if you look at what is on video, phone recordings, pictures, and testimonies. Not just for Jan 6th either. These are just people that are out of control for perceived power. A total disrespect for the democratic process or the constitution. Also a total disrespect of fellow Americans. The way that poll worker and her family were treated was completely unacceptable in this country.

CLASS CLOWN!!!!!!!!!!
Pffft

 

[sabrose]

Suffice to say the Left and Right have extremists regardless of name.

I agree with that but at this time the left has engaged in political fascism and has gone too far. I think the far left have gone crazy. I also think the far right has too. Right wingers who are antisemitic and side with Putin are nuts as much as leftists that mask and vaccinate 3 year olds and censor speech and cancel people and violently attack Trump supporters and try to groom 5 yo's into transexuality or homosexuality..
You cant rationally argue that the City Governments ruled by Democrats are doing just fine. NYC, SF ,LA, Chicago. Atlanta .Philly ,D.C., NO.,have had massive spikes in crime . So when people look at the chaos in these cities they may vote Republican .Many are leaving those states which leaves an ever shrinking tax base and will lead to more chaos. The misleading statement about murders being highest in Red States omits the fact that those states murders are predominantly in Democrat Run cities in the south and those with the highest concentration of Blacks.
People need to step out of their narrow ideological lanes and ask if they really want the USA to spiral downward like it is now. The voters who supposedly put Biden in charge have hurt every American. Biden's 30 percent approval rating suggest that most Americans do not like the current state of affairs and change is coming.
Most Democrats are decent people and they need to examine whether they want to go along with the radical elements of their party .Most Republicans hate MConnell and Graham and don't trust McCarthy. The political fascism of the left has not allowed any dissenting opinions in their own party. It seems that Democrats do little examination of who they are voting for. That is why they have led us to the mess we are in.

 

[cdwright40]

I agree with that but at this time the left has engaged in political fascism and has gone too far. I think the far left have gone crazy. I also think the far right has too. Right wingers who are antisemitic and side with Putin are nuts as much as leftists that mask and vaccinate 3 year olds and censor speech and cancel people and violently attack Trump supporters and try to groom 5 yo's into transexuality or homosexuality..
You cant rationally argue that the City Governments ruled by Democrats are doing just fine. NYC, SF ,LA, Chicago. Atlanta .Philly ,D.C., NO.,have had massive spikes in crime . So when people look at the chaos in these cities they may vote Republican .Many are leaving those states which leaves an ever shrinking tax base and will lead to more chaos. The misleading statement about murders being highest in Red States omits the fact that those states murders are predominantly in Democrat Run cities in the south and those with the highest concentration of Blacks.
People need to step out of their narrow ideological lanes and ask if they really want the USA to spiral downward like it is now. The voters who supposedly put Biden in charge have hurt every American. Biden's 30 percent approval rating suggest that most Americans do not like the current state of affairs and change is coming.
Most Democrats are decent people and they need to examine whether they want to go along with the radical elements of their party .Most Republicans hate MConnell and Graham and don't trust McCarthy. The political fascism of the left has not allowed any dissenting opinions in their own party. It seems that Democrats do little examination of who they are voting for. That is why they have led us to the mess we are in.

Yeah, this is just Maga propaganda.

People are people so you can get POS people regardless of party. So, that is obvious. It doesn't matter the party...but the difference is you see the Maga far right and you would be hard pressed to find anyone of any value. Usually they are just covering their own ass and carrying trumps water for him. Every now and then you will get one that won't go to jail for Trump they they will sill shit on others without a problem in the name of Trump.

You don't see the number of convictions (800 Maga people arrested) at the same rate you do democrats. That's real talk.

Hell most maga people won't even watch the Jan 6th hearing because they can't listen to anything or anyone that doesn't agree with them. They look for news that they want to hear instead of the truth.

Which is you elected a president that stole over 250 Million dollars on the basis of a lie the election was stolen. They bullied anyone that didn't try to illegally change the results. That's just the truth and this false equivalence of it goes on everywhere is bullshit. This is the office of the presidency. I don't every remember a democratic president doing this do you>?

 

[Raoul2]

I agree with that but at this time the left has engaged in political fascism and has gone too far.

To be clear, there's only one form of political fascism and its tightly correlated to the right. There are 14 core characteristics of fascism, and once again, nearly all of them are completely in sync with right wing politics in America.

For convenience, you can review each of the 14 below. As you'll see, there is near perfect alignment between fascism and right wing politics in the USA. Thus when we say fascism is coming to America, we literally mean it.

The 14 characteristics are:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
   Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
   
   
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
   Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
   
   
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
   The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
   
   
4. Supremacy of the Military
   Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
   
   
5. Rampant Sexism
   The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
   
   
6. Controlled Mass Media
   Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
   
   
7. Obsession with National Security
   Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
   
   
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
   Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
   
   
9. Corporate Power is Protected
   The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
   
   
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
    Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .
    
    
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
    
    
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
    
    
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
    
    
14. Fraudulent Elections
    Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

 

[cdwright40]

I sum up the maga crown in one word. "Hyena's"

 

[cems52]

I agree with that but at this time the left has engaged in political fascism and has gone too far. I think the far left have gone crazy. I also think the far right has too. Right wingers who are antisemitic and side with Putin are nuts as much as leftists that mask and vaccinate 3 year olds and censor speech and cancel people and violently attack Trump supporters and try to groom 5 yo's into transexuality or homosexuality..
You cant rationally argue that the City Governments ruled by Democrats are doing just fine. NYC, SF ,LA, Chicago. Atlanta .Philly ,D.C., NO.,have had massive spikes in crime . So when people look at the chaos in these cities they may vote Republican .Many are leaving those states which leaves an ever shrinking tax base and will lead to more chaos. The misleading statement about murders being highest in Red States omits the fact that those states murders are predominantly in Democrat Run cities in the south and those with the highest concentration of Blacks.
People need to step out of their narrow ideological lanes and ask if they really want the USA to spiral downward like it is now. The voters who supposedly put Biden in charge have hurt every American. Biden's 30 percent approval rating suggest that most Americans do not like the current state of affairs and change is coming.
Most Democrats are decent people and they need to examine whether they want to go along with the radical elements of their party .Most Republicans hate MConnell and Graham and don't trust McCarthy. The political fascism of the left has not allowed any dissenting opinions in their own party. It seems that Democrats do little examination of who they are voting for. That is why they have led us to the mess we are in.

No mention in your post about the Republicans who believe and support the big lie. This quote from your post is so fitting and applies to you.

"People need to step out of their narrow ideological lanes and ask if they really want the USA to spiral downward like it is now."

From your own mouth you reject "narrow ideological lanes" but support pissing on our constitution by promoting an insurrection. Why?

Another quote from your post.

"The political fascism of the left has not allowed any dissenting opinions in their own party."

Does the name RINO speak to this? Your hypocrisy is unbelievable.

 

[cdwright40]

These people operating under the ridiculous nonsense that presidential election results were a lie are people who are ridiculous to me. I am not going to sugar coat this or put a suit and tie on it to make you feel good either. It's ridiculous and over 60 Bipartisan judges told you there is no evidence of this yet you refuse to recognize this. It's rather silly and ridiculous. Grow the hell up and face reality. There is no liberal media. This is what happened....and we can see there is no evidence because if there were credible evidence it would have been presented.

Furthermore, some of these people are so stupid they are still giving their money to Trump and his campaign based on this foolishness. How stupid can you be? Because that's pretty damn stupid if you ask me. Again, not cleaning it up for anyone's benefit. Just keepin it a buck.

What you need to be doing is getting off this ridiculous fool Trump and figure out how to build back your party to one of respect. Because right now it is just ridiculous and I don't care what false equivalence you want to bullshit us with. It has nothing to do with how ridiculous the republican party is right now. You literally have racist winning elections and having a say in what goes on. So tell me. What would that make you? The proud boys are and all sorts of racist shit head groups are running things in there now. Walking around like they own the place.

 

[Cool Runnin']

Amazing that there are people who truly prefer the shit we have been put through by Brandon and his incompetence over the last year and a half to the wonderful previous four years.

 

[cdwright40]

Wonderful previous four year for whom? The people that died because Trump didn't take Covid seriously by saying we would go from 19 to 0 cases by the end of the week...or to use bleach to get rid of it? Maybe the people that gave to the campaign had a wonderful time giving their hard earned money to him based on a lie. Do the think those poll workers he bullied had a good time? I could go on and on. Give me Dementia Brandon any day of the week please. Put this POS Trump behind bars where he belongs. I will do fine with either of them in office. I don't live my life check to check. I don't rely on politicians for anything and I suggest none of you do so either but you want to rely on a politician for your value instead of yourself. Therefore have no moral compass.

 

[Cool Runnin']

Wonderful previous four year for whom? The people that died because Trump didn't take Covid seriously by saying we would go from 19 to 0 cases by the end of the week...or to use bleach to get rid of it? Maybe the people that gave to the campaign had a wonderful time giving their hard earned money to him based on a lie. Do the think those poll workers he bullied had a good time? I could go on and on. Give me Dementia Brandon any day of the week please. Put this POS Trump behind bars where he belongs. I will do fine with either of them in office. I don't live my life check to check. I don't rely on politicians for anything and I suggest none of you do so either but you want to rely on a politician for your value instead of yourself. Therefore I have no moral compass.

None of what you said is true, as usual.