Missouri All-American DE Michael Sam comes out

[cfoster cane]

Originally posted by Azar:

Originally posted by advarkas:


To me, this is much to do about nothing... This young man Sam felt like he needed to make an national announcement that he was gay for whatever reasons. Good for him, the story should end there. Now, the national media is making this more of a story of this than I believe is warranted. I don't care what gays and lesbians do in their private time because I don't care what 99% of straight people do in their private time. If gays and lesbians can be moral, productive, law-abiding citizens, then that is all I care about- everything else is nothing but noise to me.

As someone who grew up in South Florida and lives in Downtown Fort Lauderdale (which is about 5 miles south of the City of Wilton Manors, a well-known openly gay and lesbian city), I have become tolerant, and to a degree sympathetic of gay and lesbian given some of the prejudice which they have faced over the years. However, I do not appreciate having the national media and the mass gay and lesbian groups consistently force feed the rest of the country all of this gay and lesbian stuff which is often trivial.

If there is a legitimate national issue involving gays and lesbians, such as marriage or the adopting children, then those issues warrant discussions from both sides. However, an athlete stating that he is gay is about as important to the average American as the Winter Olympics.

Varkas,

It should never have started with the announcement. So you're gay, be gay and do you! Why the big promotional announcement right before draft? This is intentional and strategic also. You don't think it was known that this would draw national media attention? And now the NFL is on the spot with LGBT because if he does not get drafted being a talented player, can you imagine the stink it's going to cause (no pun intended)? This is not about tolerance, no one is saying gay people can't be gay or should not have the same rights as everyone. In fact, other than marriage in some states they have exactly the same rights as everyone. This is about the hoopla, the celebration, and the cheering which equates to a gay promotion every time someone "comes out". If you like men, live your life but you ain't gotta market that sh*t. Just stand by and keep watching, you'll see where this madness is going......

I think it is unfair for some people to attack this particular kid because he went public. According to SI, the kid came out of the
closet to his teammates years ago...as far back as 2009
with guys in his signing class and then, officially, he came out to his
entire team this year in August. I don't believe he is self-promoting by going
public now. He actually chose not to comment publicly in a newspaper
story in Missouri back at the beginning of this season.

By going public
now, he is doing what he needs
to do to protect himself from a whisper campaign of scouts who were
recently asking questions about his dating life leading up to the
combine. By announcing it now, he made a wise business
calculation--it gives teams time (1) to come to grips with something they
would have discovered anyway, (2) to talk to existing players, and (3)
to ask him about it during the interview process. The teams would have found out about it anyway, so he is getting out in front of the story.

And, of
course, some people will try to whore out his story for the benefit of
their own particular political or social cause (both pro-LGBT and
anti-LGBT). But, this is a kid who was honest with his teammates and
friends about who he was, and he was honest with them at a time when he
did not stand to personally benefit from it. I don't think he should be
vilified for that.

At the end of the day, he wants to play football. He's good at football. His teammates at Mizzou knew who he was, and all reports are that he was a great teammate. I hope he gets the same chance to succeed in the league as anyone else.

 

[Dr.L.ThugU]

Absolutely!!!

Originally posted by advarkas:

Originally posted by canesfanincali:
Same left wing liberal commi media who will get Hillary elected in 2016. Enjoy folks.

Marco Rubio 2016... Let's do this.

 

[Dr.L.ThugU]

Well said man. I agree with everything you wrote.

Originally posted by Azar:

Originally posted by LoveTHUGU:
Damn, we haven't agreed a lot in the past but you are dead on balls accurate on this issue.

Originally posted by Azar:

Originally posted by TexasCane4Ever:

"Sam is obviously a beast on defense, wish he played for us. But it's interesting how accepting our culture is of homosexuality. Take the moral question out of the equation, homosexuality is a very unhealthy lifestyle. Those of you who use the mantra, "they want a normal life like the rest of us", really need to study the facts before you go with the cultural shift. 80% of homosexual men will suffer from prostate damage, ulcers and ruptures, and chronic incontinence and diarrhea because the human body was not created for such an act. 75% of homosexual men carry one or more STD, and that's not including AIDS. These include all sorts of non-viral infections like gonorrhea, syphilis, bacterial infections, and parasites. Also common among homosexuals are viral infections like herpes and hepatitis B (which afflicts 65% of homosexual men), both of which are incurable, as well as hepatitis A and anal warts, which afflict 40% of homosexual men. And I havena€™t even included AIDS. Most frightening is the statistic that, aside those who die from AIDS, the life expectancy for a homosexual male is about 45 years of age. That compares to a life expectancy of around 70 for men in general. If you include those who die of AIDS, which now infects 30% of homosexual men, the life expectancy drops to 39 years of age.

Bottom line, This lifestyle is horribly self-destructive and injurious to another person. So while Hollywood glorifies it and all the media outlets hide the health risks and solely focus on the human interest side of the story, the nation is led to believe that this lifestyle is as normal as any other. Where are the warnings? We mandate that every cigarette box is labeled with a warning because it's hazardous to your health, but no health warning to those who have their life span nearly cut in half! What a coverup! Talk about hypocrisy! America acts like the person who walks into the doctors office for an exam and says, "I don't care what you find, I just want to hear good news when I leave." And we call that compassion. What a sick society.



Posted from"




Have you ever heard the saying some people can "live" more in 5 years than others can in 50 "

Its called education. Being gay is accepted more and more because society is realizing almost all gay people are born that way. They did not wake the fuk up one day and say hhmmmmm, I like another mans sausage. But I agree it should not be an issue and the media pushes for it.

Tex, this is the biggest crock of sh*t I've read regarding this gay issue. In fact, most of the people participating in gay and bisexual activities are doing it by choice, a choice that has been encourage via the gay promotional atmosphere now going on. There is not one iota of proof of a gay gene or people being "born gay". The current gay boom is due to a strong marketing and political campaign by the Lgbt. Most of you have no clue as to what's really going on in the new gay movement/agenda. They've turned most of you into promo-sexuals (promoting a lifestyle that's anti-life and anti-nature). If someone wants to do it, do it and keep it to yourself but I ain't with promoting that sh*t like it's good because you get what you have now, an entire generation of confused kids.

Hey, 1 out of 100 issues ain't bad, huh? They've really pull the wool over most people's eyes regarding this issue. As an earlier poster put it, not only is it unnatural, it's unhealthy. I'm no religious person by far, I follow natural, spiritual and holistic principles and homosexuality is surely not a part of my cultural heritage. I will not allow what has now become one of the most twisted and morally corrupt societies on earth to skew my thinking to the point of believing this is normal. What has now become the gay mafia(LGBT) has created an atmosphere of heterophobia. If you say you don't agree with homosexuality it's automatically assumed you hate gay people, the if you're not for us then you're against us philosophy. As much as I don't approve of homosexuality, I don't hate gay people. I do hate the promotion of the lifestyle and what amounts to societal corruption. We now have a sexually confused generation of kids/people who believe it doesn't matter who you screw, not because they were born that way but because they have been conditioned that way. The actual percentage of people who could make a case of being born that way are miniscule in comparison to the number of people participating in gay lifestyles. Gay and Bi are fads like skinny jeans now. I guarantee you if Nambla is successful in it's quest to get pedophilia accepted and "normalized" there will be plenty of weak minded people who acquiesce to that sexual deviance as well. Personally, I would not want an openly gay player on my team. It's not fair to those players who are uncomfortable with it. It's relevant because these guys shower together and are in locker rooms where they are constantly dressing in front of each other. It's not fair to force them to accept those circumstances.

 

[bbcane]

Sam: I need to make an announcement. I'm gay.
Media: so we are supposed to give a shit? Go away you disgusting dick sucker.

 

[royfirestone]

Yourse missing the point. Its the announcing part that liberates an individual.Its the ability to move freely without whispers,
innuendo, and rumors. The "announcing " part isn't as important as what happens after. It IS nobodys business in principle but our society judges people and builds a stigma against them. Thats why if a person comes "out" he doesn't have to care what people think anymore. He(or she) isn't hiding.Good luck to Micheal Sam. I hope he has a great career and a happy life. How can any healthy, happy human being feel otherwise about another human being?

 

[advarkas]

Originally posted by royfirestone:
Yourse missing the point. Its the announcing part that liberates an individual.Its the ability to move freely without whispers,
innuendo, and rumors. The "announcing " part isn't as important as what happens after. It IS nobodys business in principle but our society judges people and builds a stigma against them. Thats why if a person comes "out" he doesn't have to care what people think anymore. He(or she) isn't hiding.Good luck to Micheal Sam. I hope he has a great career and a happy life. How can any healthy, happy human being feel otherwise about another human being?

Maybe, just maybe, one shouldn't have to make a public announcement that one is gay in order to feel "liberated" from a society which is more TOLERANT of gays and lesbians now than ever. Once the announcement is made, the national media runs off with it like a firestorm. Ann all for what...??? To make a bunch of noise or no reason, in my honest opinion...

I know several people who are either gay or lesbian and have never made a "public announcement" that he or she is gay or lesbian to feel "liberated". They just are who they are and they do what they do without making it a mainstream national issue.

To each his or her own I suppose, but I don't see the need to have what is a personal issue to him made a national issue.
This post was edited on 2/10 2:47 PM by advarkas

 

[spyhazard]

Originally posted by cfoster cane:

Originally posted by Azar:

Originally posted by advarkas:


To me, this is much to do about nothing... This young man Sam felt like he needed to make an national announcement that he was gay for whatever reasons. Good for him, the story should end there. Now, the national media is making this more of a story of this than I believe is warranted. I don't care what gays and lesbians do in their private time because I don't care what 99% of straight people do in their private time. If gays and lesbians can be moral, productive, law-abiding citizens, then that is all I care about- everything else is nothing but noise to me.

As someone who grew up in South Florida and lives in Downtown Fort Lauderdale (which is about 5 miles south of the City of Wilton Manors, a well-known openly gay and lesbian city), I have become tolerant, and to a degree sympathetic of gay and lesbian given some of the prejudice which they have faced over the years. However, I do not appreciate having the national media and the mass gay and lesbian groups consistently force feed the rest of the country all of this gay and lesbian stuff which is often trivial.

If there is a legitimate national issue involving gays and lesbians, such as marriage or the adopting children, then those issues warrant discussions from both sides. However, an athlete stating that he is gay is about as important to the average American as the Winter Olympics.

Varkas,

It should never have started with the announcement. So you're gay, be gay and do you! Why the big promotional announcement right before draft? This is intentional and strategic also. You don't think it was known that this would draw national media attention? And now the NFL is on the spot with LGBT because if he does not get drafted being a talented player, can you imagine the stink it's going to cause (no pun intended)? This is not about tolerance, no one is saying gay people can't be gay or should not have the same rights as everyone. In fact, other than marriage in some states they have exactly the same rights as everyone. This is about the hoopla, the celebration, and the cheering which equates to a gay promotion every time someone "comes out". If you like men, live your life but you ain't gotta market that sh*t. Just stand by and keep watching, you'll see where this madness is going......

I think it is unfair for some people to attack this particular kid because he went public. According to SI, the kid came out of the
closet to his teammates years ago...as far back as 2009
with guys in his signing class and then, officially, he came out to his
entire team this year in August. I don't believe he is self-promoting by going
public now. He actually chose not to comment publicly in a newspaper
story in Missouri back at the beginning of this season.

By going public
now, he is doing what he needs
to do to protect himself from a whisper campaign of scouts who were
recently asking questions about his dating life leading up to the
combine. By announcing it now, he made a wise business
calculation--it gives teams time (1) to come to grips with something they
would have discovered anyway, (2) to talk to existing players, and (3)
to ask him about it during the interview process. The teams would have found out about it anyway, so he is getting out in front of the story.

And, of
course, some people will try to whore out his story for the benefit of
their own particular political or social cause (both pro-LGBT and
anti-LGBT). But, this is a kid who was honest with his teammates and
friends about who he was, and he was honest with them at a time when he
did not stand to personally benefit from it. I don't think he should be
vilified for that.

At the end of the day, he wants to play football. He's good at football. His teammates at Mizzou knew who he was, and all reports are that he was a great teammate. I hope he gets the same chance to succeed in the league as anyone else.

Imo, the best post in this entire thread.

 

[cfoster cane]

Originally posted by advarkas:

Originally posted by royfirestone:
Yourse missing the point. Its the announcing part that liberates an individual.Its the ability to move freely without whispers,
innuendo, and rumors. The "announcing " part isn't as important as what happens after. It IS nobodys business in principle but our society judges people and builds a stigma against them. Thats why if a person comes "out" he doesn't have to care what people think anymore. He(or she) isn't hiding.Good luck to Micheal Sam. I hope he has a great career and a happy life. How can any healthy, happy human being feel otherwise about another human being?

Maybe, just maybe, one shouldn't have to make a public announcement that one is gay in order to feel "liberated" from a society which is more TOLERANT of gays and lesbians now than ever. Once the announcement is made, the national media runs off with it like a firestorm. Ann all for what...??? To make a bunch of noise or no reason, in my honest opinion...

I know several people who are either gay or lesbian and have never made a "public announcement" that he or she is gay or lesbian to feel "liberated". They just are who they are and they do what they do without making it a mainstream national issue.

To each his or her own I suppose, but I don't see the need to have what is a personal issue to him made a national issue.
This post was edited on 2/10 2:47 PM by advarkas

Yeah, it would be nice if people didn't have to make a public statement.

In this case, Michael Sam's ability to earn a living was being jeopardized by a whisper campaign of professional scouts trying to prove something that he already admitted privately to the people that he trusted--like his teammates at Mizzou, etc.

At that point, why wouldn't he go public? The alternative was to stay silent and allow the whispers to quietly poison something he has worked very hard for. Why would he allow that to happen when the people everyone is worried about protecting (the locker room) apparently didn't have a problem with it at Mizzou. So, by going public, he now has some level of control about how he is portrayed publicly rather than how some scout decides to portray his findings to a team (which would have invariably been leaked like the story of Dez Bryant's mom).

 

[Dr.L.ThugU]

Originally posted by bbcane:
Sam: I need to make an announcement. I'm gay.
Media: so we are supposed to give a shit? Go away you disgusting dick sucker.

Flea: I need to make an annoumcement. I'm gay.
Cell block C at San Quentin: Come here you dick sucker.

 

[Azar]

Originally posted by royfirestone:
Yourse missing the point. Its the announcing part that liberates an individual.Its the ability to move freely without whispers,
innuendo, and rumors. The "announcing " part isn't as important as what happens after. It IS nobodys business in principle but our society judges people and builds a stigma against them. Thats why if a person comes "out" he doesn't have to care what people think anymore. He(or she) isn't hiding.Good luck to Micheal Sam. I hope he has a great career and a happy life. How can any healthy, happy human being feel otherwise about another human being?

I think you guys are missing the point. It's as I said earlier, as with most who support this movement you're using the if you're not for us you're against us principle. A person does not have to "come out" in order to not care what others think. You can simply not care about what people think anyway and just be gay? You think people aren't going to whisper or rumor because he came out? Newsflash, rumors and innuendos are dropped on everyone, not just gay people. Why does everyone have to know and accept him being gay? Although it's assumed, no one actually knows your sexual preference unless you tell them. So why the special need to let everyone know you like the same sex? Why the special promotion? No one is hating or wising ill will on this kid, I'm just not going to congratulate something I'm not in agreement with. I also think other players beliefs, morals, and values should be respected. Just because you believe in or support same sex does not mean everyone does nor should everyone have to. They shouldn't hate someone because of it but they should not be force to cheer it on. I still say this timing was intentional and calculated.

 

[Phatmac662]

I hear you Advarkas... No I haven't read it all, no man has... But, as pertaining to the U.S. Constitution any Constitutional Scholar will tell you that any amendment that contradicts any of the language in the original body is not Constitutional... The law doesn't care if it was 150 or 250 years ago... The truth is the Light... There are law suites pre and post Slavery where verdicts have been handed down that plainly states that the enslaved African nor their descendants can never be Citizens of this country... I beg you don't take my word for anything look it up...

 

[ZEKEMUG]

Ah, just our luck. Missouri. The Show Me State

 

[advarkas]

Originally posted by Phatmac662:
I hear you Advarkas... No I haven't read it all, no man has... But, as pertaining to the U.S. Constitution any Constitutional Scholar will tell you that any amendment that contradicts any of the language in the original body is not Constitutional... The law doesn't care if it was 150 or 250 years ago... The truth is the Light... There are law suites pre and post Slavery where verdicts have been handed down that plainly states that the enslaved African nor their descendants can never be Citizens of this country... I beg you don't take my word for anything look it up...

I am an attorney. My primary practice is commercial litigation, but I am also a well-educated and well-experienced professional in Constitutional Law, including both the Constitution of the State of Florida and the United States Constitution. I have read the Dred Scott opinion about a dozen times in my life- I have a good command of it and that opinion has been attacked on a variety of constitutional grounds by subsequent United States Supreme Court decisions. I have not only studied the Thirteenth Amendment and the Fourteenth Amendment, but also the Fifth Amendment. Both the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments address due process.

Your argument that African Americans are not citizens of the United States is not only a mis-understanding of both the Thirteenth and Fourteenth Amendments, but simply contradicts well-settled federal and state constitutional law and a long list of case law which has addressed both Amendments in detail over the last 90 years. As I stated above, the vast majority of the Dred Scott decision has been overturned by subsequent opinions by the United States Supreme Court.

The law evolves with society, and our society has evolved since the 1850's with respect to African Americans.
This post was edited on 2/10 3:48 PM by advarkas

 

[hurricanes56]

Kapp and Honey....now 's what I'm talking about!

 

[wake4law_cane4life]

Originally posted by CANES!!!:
Sam is obviously a beast on defense, wish he played for us. But it's interesting how accepting our culture is of homosexuality. Take the moral question out of the equation, homosexuality is a very unhealthy lifestyle. Those of you who use the mantra, "they want a normal life like the rest of us", really need to study the facts before you go with the cultural shift. 80% of homosexual men will suffer from prostate damage, ulcers and ruptures, and chronic incontinence and diarrhea because the human body was not created for such an act. 75% of homosexual men carry one or more STD, and that's not including AIDS. These include all sorts of non-viral infections like gonorrhea, syphilis, bacterial infections, and parasites. Also common among homosexuals are viral infections like herpes and hepatitis B (which afflicts 65% of homosexual men), both of which are incurable, as well as hepatitis A and anal warts, which afflict 40% of homosexual men. And I havena€™t even included AIDS. Most frightening is the statistic that, aside those who die from AIDS, the life expectancy for a homosexual male is about 45 years of age. That compares to a life expectancy of around 70 for men in general. If you include those who die of AIDS, which now infects 30% of homosexual men, the life expectancy drops to 39 years.

Posted from Rivals Mobile

Holy Christ I didn't think human beings were capable of this level of stupidity. Tell the truth, were you using a random number generator to make those statistics up or are you missing enough brain cells that you were told them by someone and actually believed them?!

 

[TexasCane4Ever]

Originally posted by TexasCane4Ever:

"Sam is obviously a beast on defense, wish he played for us. But it's interesting how accepting our culture is of homosexuality. Take the moral question out of the equation, homosexuality is a very unhealthy lifestyle. Those of you who use the mantra, "they want a normal life like the rest of us", really need to study the facts before you go with the cultural shift. 80% of homosexual men will suffer from prostate damage, ulcers and ruptures, and chronic incontinence and diarrhea because the human body was not created for such an act. 75% of homosexual men carry one or more STD, and that's not including AIDS. These include all sorts of non-viral infections like gonorrhea, syphilis, bacterial infections, and parasites. Also common among homosexuals are viral infections like herpes and hepatitis B (which afflicts 65% of homosexual men), both of which are incurable, as well as hepatitis A and anal warts, which afflict 40% of homosexual men. And I havena€™t even included AIDS. Most frightening is the statistic that, aside those who die from AIDS, the life expectancy for a homosexual male is about 45 years of age. That compares to a life expectancy of around 70 for men in general. If you include those who die of AIDS, which now infects 30% of homosexual men, the life expectancy drops to 39 years of age.

Bottom line, This lifestyle is horribly self-destructive and injurious to another person. So while Hollywood glorifies it and all the media outlets hide the health risks and solely focus on the human interest side of the story, the nation is led to believe that this lifestyle is as normal as any other. Where are the warnings? We mandate that every cigarette box is labeled with a warning because it's hazardous to your health, but no health warning to those who have their life span nearly cut in half! What a coverup! Talk about hypocrisy! America acts like the person who walks into the doctors office for an exam and says, "I don't care what you find, I just want to hear good news when I leave." And we call that compassion. What a sick society.



Posted from"




Have you ever heard the saying some people can "live" more in 5 years than others can in 50 "

Its called education. Being gay is accepted more and more because society is realizing almost all gay people are born that way. They did not wake the fuk up one day and say hhmmmmm, I like another mans sausage. But I agree it should not be an issue and the media pushes for it.



Tex, this is the biggest crock of sh*t I've read regarding this gay issue. In fact, most of the people participating in gay and bisexual activities are doing it by choice, a choice that has been encourage via the gay promotional atmosphere now going on. There is not one iota of proof of a gay gene or people being "born gay". The current gay boom is due to a strong marketing and political campaign by the Lgbt. Most of you have no clue as to what's really going on in the new gay movement/agenda. They've turned most of you into promo-sexuals (promoting a lifestyle that's anti-life and anti-nature). If someone wants to do it, do it and keep it to yourself but I ain't with promoting that sh*t like it's good because you get what you have now, an entire generation of confused kids.



Bisexual I can agree on, not truely gay people. You talk about whats natural, almost every animal species on earth has same sex orientations with each other. I'm going to assume you, like me like the opposite sex. That feeling is much stronger than some random guy who thinks he wants to experiment. Ask most truly gay people when they figured out when they were gay and most will tell you it was an early age. Yessssss, there are some of who your refering to who just like to go that way, they tried it and liked it. Thats the minority. There is a BIG difference between a truly gay person and the bisexual experimentalist that just decided to give it a whirl. Say what you want about the experimatalist, but the people I'm refering too knew at a very early age and cannot control how they feel sexually. And that is not a crock of shit. Just a fact thats not excepted by some. Is the dude from Missu truly gay or just tried it and liked it?

I do agree with you on the weakness of our society by the people who are doing it voluntarily. There are some though who argue that truly gay people, while having same sex feelings need to fight that feeling and retain from sex with same gender. Thats another arguement. Again, I see your point on the "lets try it out gay person" but the gay person I'm talking about was indeed born with those feelings.

 

[wake4law_cane4life]

TexasCane4ever is 1000% accurate and I appreciate his words. I am gay and have been since birth. There was a long period of time in my life when I had wished I was not gay, it is most certainly not a choice. I've long since moved past that and have been perfectly happy with it since college, where I began interacting with educated, tolerant people who made life much easier. This board is changing to be more like that educated, tolerant atmosphere I speak of. There are some idiotic holdovers of course, but things are progressing.

 

[Swaggah64]

Originally posted by CANES!!!:
Sam is obviously a beast on defense, wish he played for us. But it's interesting how accepting our culture is of homosexuality. Take the moral question out of the equation, homosexuality is a very unhealthy lifestyle. Those of you who use the mantra, "they want a normal life like the rest of us", really need to study the facts before you go with the cultural shift. 80% of homosexual men will suffer from prostate damage, ulcers and ruptures, and chronic incontinence and diarrhea because the human body was not created for such an act. 75% of homosexual men carry one or more STD, and that's not including AIDS. These include all sorts of non-viral infections like gonorrhea, syphilis, bacterial infections, and parasites. Also common among homosexuals are viral infections like herpes and hepatitis B (which afflicts 65% of homosexual men), both of which are incurable, as well as hepatitis A and anal warts, which afflict 40% of homosexual men. And I havena€™t even included AIDS. Most frightening is the statistic that, aside those who die from AIDS, the life expectancy for a homosexual male is about 45 years of age. That compares to a life expectancy of around 70 for men in general. If you include those who die of AIDS, which now infects 30% of homosexual men, the life expectancy drops to 39 years of age.

Bottom line, This lifestyle is horribly self-destructive and injurious to another person. So while Hollywood glorifies it and all the media outlets hide the health risks and solely focus on the human interest side of the story, the nation is led to believe that this lifestyle is as normal as any other. Where are the warnings? We mandate that every cigarette box is labeled with a warning because it's hazardous to your health, but no health warning to those who have their life span nearly cut in half! What a coverup! Talk about hypocrisy! America acts like the person who walks into the doctors office for an exam and says, "I don't care what you find, I just want to hear good news when I leave." And we call that compassion. What a sick society.
Posted from Rivals Mobile

You are so ignorant.

All of these facts came from where? The responses to this issue are ignorant, sad and pathetic.

It's amazing how black men do not understand the bravery it takes to be the first to do something, to do what Sam did. Those that hide behind Christianity and use it as a tool of ignorance like to pick and choose the most hateful of scripture in defense or there argument as opposed to the loving nature of the scripture.

That is the type of behavior that allows someone to bomb an abortion clinic in the name of saving lives and while quoting scripture.

It is not as though anyone is asking anybody to have homosexual sex. I am not the least bit interested in it but will defend anyone's right to love anyone they want and engage in whatever type of consensual sex they want to .

This post was edited on 2/10 4:50 PM by Swaggah64

 

[USMC/CANE]

Gay gene makes no sense at all!

 

[Swaggah64]

Originally posted by Phatmac662:
I hear you Advarkas... No I haven't read it all, no man has... But, as pertaining to the U.S. Constitution any Constitutional Scholar will tell you that any amendment that contradicts any of the language in the original body is not Constitutional... The law doesn't care if it was 150 or 250 years ago... The truth is the Light... There are law suites pre and post Slavery where verdicts have been handed down that plainly states that the enslaved African nor their descendants can never be Citizens of this country... I beg you don't take my word for anything look it up...

Pure ignorance.

Do you know what amend means?

If you are so unhappy go to another country where you will feel better.

But you are welcome here. And you enjoy the same rights asevery other American Citizenship. It is up to you if you want to wallow in the past or not. You should know it and learn from it but if you let it keep you down that is on you and no other.

 

[Doc Holliday-JB]

Originally posted by advarkas:

Originally posted by canesfanincali:
Same left wing liberal commi media who will get Hillary elected in 2016. Enjoy folks.

Marco Rubio 2016... Let's do this.

hell no

 

[Doc Holliday-JB]

Absolutely not!! He's no different than the rest of the establishment repubs...

I want to see a constitutionalist, sick of both sides and their shit..

Originally posted by LoveTHUGU:
Absolutely!!!

Originally posted by advarkas:

Originally posted by canesfanincali:
Same left wing liberal commi media who will get Hillary elected in 2016. Enjoy folks.

Marco Rubio 2016... Let's do this.

 

[Swaggah64]

Originally posted by jbcanes-nc:
Absolutely not!! He's no different than the rest of the establishment repubs...

I want to see a constitutionalist, sick of both sides and their shit..

Count me in as being sick of both sides. The losing party jest spends the whole term trying to discredit the winner. No bipartisanship even on good ideas or they'll lose their "card" and they spend so much time fighting that nothing can even get done. Exasperating.

 

[Azar]

Originally posted by Swaggah64:

Originally posted by CANES!!!:
Sam is obviously a beast on defense, wish he played for us. But it's interesting how accepting our culture is of homosexuality. Take the moral question out of the equation, homosexuality is a very unhealthy lifestyle. Those of you who use the mantra, "they want a normal life like the rest of us", really need to study the facts before you go with the cultural shift. 80% of homosexual men will suffer from prostate damage, ulcers and ruptures, and chronic incontinence and diarrhea because the human body was not created for such an act. 75% of homosexual men carry one or more STD, and that's not including AIDS. These include all sorts of non-viral infections like gonorrhea, syphilis, bacterial infections, and parasites. Also common among homosexuals are viral infections like herpes and hepatitis B (which afflicts 65% of homosexual men), both of which are incurable, as well as hepatitis A and anal warts, which afflict 40% of homosexual men. And I havena€™t even included AIDS. Most frightening is the statistic that, aside those who die from AIDS, the life expectancy for a homosexual male is about 45 years of age. That compares to a life expectancy of around 70 for men in general. If you include those who die of AIDS, which now infects 30% of homosexual men, the life expectancy drops to 39 years of age.

Bottom line, This lifestyle is horribly self-destructive and injurious to another person. So while Hollywood glorifies it and all the media outlets hide the health risks and solely focus on the human interest side of the story, the nation is led to believe that this lifestyle is as normal as any other. Where are the warnings? We mandate that every cigarette box is labeled with a warning because it's hazardous to your health, but no health warning to those who have their life span nearly cut in half! What a coverup! Talk about hypocrisy! America acts like the person who walks into the doctors office for an exam and says, "I don't care what you find, I just want to hear good news when I leave." And we call that compassion. What a sick society.


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You are so ignorant.

All of these facts came from where? The responses to this issue are ignorant, sad and pathetic.

It's amazing how black men do not understand the bravery it takes to be the first to do something, to do what Sam did. Those that hide behind Christianity and use it as a tool of ignorance like to pick and choose the most hateful of scripture in defense or there argument as opposed to the loving nature of the scripture.

That is the type of behavior that allows someone to bomb an abortion clinic in the name of saving lives and while quoting scripture.

It is not as though anyone is asking anybody to have homosexual sex. I am not the least bit interested in it but will defend anyone's right to love anyone they want and engage in whatever type of consensual sex they want to .



This post was edited on 2/10 4:50 PM by Swaggah64

I don't really have time to tear you a new azzhole regarding your ignorant azz comment about black men not understanding bravery that it takes to do something first. But I'll just say this: Are you fckn serious??? Or are you that much of an arrogant white supremacist jackazz to disregard and overlook the history of black struggle and firsts in this country achieved my many straight black men? Let's know even speak about the civil rights struggle and all the bravery demonstrated during that time, what about all the black athletes who broke ground in every sport? Screw them right? Let's focus on the gay dude who's the real hero, huh? Gtfoh, he does not represent me or my people, he represents the gay community. This is not something I care to be associated with me or the social struggles of my people, you idiot!

This post was edited on 2/10 5:09 PM by Azar

 

[wake4law_cane4life]

Aardvarkas you're an educated guy so I respect your opinion, but consider the issue from a different angle. Perhaps Sam is not coming out in the media to feel liberated- that liberation took place by coming out to his teammates and people actually in his life. Consider that Sam is coming out out of a sense of obligation to set an example and show other young athletes or young people in general that its ok to be gay and that stereotypes don't need to apply.

P.S. this debate about the constitution is quite humorous. I teach the 4th amendment for a living so I know one or two things about it. Aardvarkas shouldn't have to waste his breath defending himself against some of the crazy things about the document that have been said here. Something that is part of the constitution is, by definition, constitutional. That's the end of the debate there.

 

[warrior17]

Originally posted by sds522:
Again................who cares. It makes no diffeence to me.

This
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[canesdve]

To call this guy a hero is sad. I know plenty military personnel that are heroes. This is just more liberal nonsense attacking the fabric of our society. The agenda is to feminize America. What better way to do it then have people accept it in the realm of football. As a Christian I know it is a sin against God and as a man I don't get how a dude can possibly pick it over a beautiful female. The gay agenda marches on.

 

[wake4law_cane4life]

Originally posted by canesdve:
To call this guy a hero is sad. I know plenty military personnel that are heroes. This is just more liberal nonsense attacking the fabric of our society. The agenda is to feminize America. What better way to do it then have people accept it in the realm of football. As a Christian I know it is a sin against God and as a man I don't get how a dude can possibly pick it over a beautiful female. The gay agenda marches on.

LOL "to feminize America". He is a f*cking All American Defensive player in the SEC, he is more "masculine" than any of us posting on this thread. Get a grip on reality.

 

[Phatmac662]

While I greatly respect your understanding and view point in regards to the the evolution of the law... I must disagree... If that were true, then journalists would not have referred to Black Folk as Refugees during Hurricane Katrina... Remember, I am talking in terms of treatment... We tend to think Reality is based on peoples definitions and concepts that's only theory... We must remember theories can be proved incorrect... If we really want to find out if the 13th, 14th, or any amendment for that matter applies to Black Folk we must look at the treatment as it correlates to these laws... If we really want to know the true state of being we must look at how people are acting towards you in reference to these laws... That being said these amendments and laws do not apply to Black Folk and that's according to the treatment over the last 40 years... I must say Advarkas I have a new found respect for you and I really appreciate your views points...

 

[SaltwaterCane]

Originally posted by canesdve:
To call this guy a hero is sad. I know plenty military personnel that are heroes. This is just more liberal nonsense attacking the fabric of our society. The agenda is to feminize America. What better way to do it then have people accept it in the realm of football. As a Christian I know it is a sin against God and as a man I don't get how a dude can possibly pick it over a beautiful female. The gay agenda marches on.

As a Christian you should know, less than 2000 years ago your religion was made up of enslaved people, were considered outcasts, and viewed as a cult. It was a minority who eventually won into power and began to eradicate anything not in line with its views... Over time you have seen what it has become....


IS THE WORLD RUINED????

 

[GILL06]

Why is that when you don't agree with the "gay" issue, you are ethics and ability to reason is called into question? I am Christian, and it states that being gay is a sin, so that is it for me. The guy may be a good guy, but I will never root for him, because he is immoral and so is a guy that cheats on his wife. Why did he have to talk about his sexual preference anyway? I can see him not getting drafted, or being drafted a lot lower and the team turning on him, simply because everyone knows he is gay, and the other guys would take a ribbing simply because they are putting on with him.

He is not a hero, he is no where near the level of Martin Luther King. He is just one more gay dude, nothing more...

They should stop allowing these people to use the media to further this crap into the mainstream. If your gay be gay and STFU!

 

[advarkas]

Originally posted by wake4law_cane4life:
Aardvarkas you're an educated guy so I respect your opinion, but consider the issue from a different angle. Perhaps Sam is not coming out in the media to feel liberated- that liberation took place by coming out to his teammates and people actually in his life. Consider that Sam is coming out out of a sense of obligation to set an example and show other young athletes or young people in general that its ok to be gay and that stereotypes don't need to apply.

P.S. this debate about the constitution is quite humorous. I teach the 4th amendment for a living so I know one or two things about it. Aardvarkas shouldn't have to waste his breath defending himself against some of the crazy things about the document that have been said here. Something that is part of the constitution is, by definition, constitutional. That's the end of the debate there.

Points well made from top to bottom...

 

[jabazz]

Wake4Law, Lmao. You wasn't born Gay!!! Stop lying to yourself. You were born male or female. Now pick one, but it can't be Gay either male or female.

 

[bobbie jo]

were does it stop at.Man doing man just not normal and all the far left idols will not make me change my mind. what will be ok next man doing animals, Just Saying.

 

[andyctree]

How many of the so called "Christians" force their wives to sleep in a separate room when they are menstruating?

I guess you only pick and choose which part of the Bible you follow even when the passages you try to quote are next to each other.

You should also research the terminology of the time to find out what the passages really mean.
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[CANES!!!]

Wake4l... - "Holy Christ I didn't think human beings were capable of this level of stupidity. Tell the truth, were you using a random number generator to make those statistics up or are you missing enough brain cells that you were told them by someone and actually believed them?!"

The statistics I gave are from a book written by Dr. Thomas Schmidt, Straight and Narrow. You might not like the statistics and I can understand why, but just because they aren't favorable to a gay lifestyle doesn't make them untrue. And why the personal attack on my intelligence? I just shared the truth about the unhealthiness of the homosexual lifestyle and your response was typical of the LGBT community - to demean or demonize anyone who RESPECTFULLY disagrees with your talking points.

Also, if anyone is mistaken in their claim, it is you. There is zero proof that a person is born gay. Yes, a person can have a tendency towards the same sex from an early age. But they have never identified a gay gene, anymore than they have identified a gene for adultery. Most men have a tendency from a very young age to lust after women but nothing forces a man to be an adulterer.

The truth is, I know people who were deep into the homosexual lifestyle and a straight today. It took great courage and support but they didn't give into the lie that they had no choice in the matter. Everybody has a choice and we make them everyday!

I wouldn't wish the health risks of a homosexual lifestyle on my worst enemy. But ignoring the truth won't make reality go away.
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[andyctree]

Originally posted by CANES!!!:
Wake4l... - "Holy Christ I didn't think human beings were capable of this level of stupidity. Tell the truth, were you using a random number generator to make those statistics up or are you missing enough brain cells that you were told them by someone and actually believed them?!"

The statistics I gave are from a book written by Dr. Thomas Schmidt, Straight and Narrow. You might not like the statistics and I can understand why, but just because they aren't favorable to a gay lifestyle doesn't make them untrue. And why the personal attack on my intelligence? I just shared the truth about the unhealthiness of the homosexual lifestyle and your response was typical of the LGBT community - to demean or demonize anyone who RESPECTFULLY disagrees with your talking points.

Also, if anyone is mistaken in their claim, it is you. There is zero proof that a person is born gay. Yes, a person can have a tendency towards the same sex from an early age. But they have never identified a gay gene, anymore than they have identified a gene for adultery. Most men have a tendency from a very young age to lust after women but nothing forces a man to be an adulterer.

The truth is, I know people who were deep into the homosexual lifestyle and a straight today. It took great courage and support but they didn't give into the lie that they had no choice in the matter. Everybody has a choice and we make them everyday!

I wouldn't wish the health risks of a homosexual lifestyle on my worst enemy. But ignoring the truth won't make reality go away.
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FYI, that book was published over 20 years ago.

Nice job working with stats that have been proven wrong.
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[JTH007]

Anybody seen Bruce Jenner recently.

 

[Arlo3]

Originally posted by CanesBallFan:

Originally posted by JTH007:
If you want to know what a lot of players privately think about gays in the locker room Google what Jonathan Vilma said about it about a week ago.

I wholeheartedly support what this young man did, but unfortunately I am also of the opinion that he will go undrafted now. It is a sad reality that because this guy is not a super talent and wasn't going to be picked until the middle rounds at the earliest anyway, team executives are going to ask themselves, "why bring on this distraction for an average talent?" It's a shame really. Again, standing ovation for this act of courage, but I just can't see a GM bringing in a divisive presence to the locker room for an average / unproven talent. Hope that I'm wrong. This guy deserves a shot.

At the very least he'll have a good book deal.

 

[Swaggah64]

Originally posted by Azar:

Originally posted by Swaggah64:


You are so ignorant.

All of these facts came from where? The responses to this issue are ignorant, sad and pathetic.

It's amazing how black men do not understand the bravery it takes to be the first to do something, to do what Sam did. Those that hide behind Christianity and use it as a tool of ignorance like to pick and choose the most hateful of scripture in defense or there argument as opposed to the loving nature of the scripture.

That is the type of behavior that allows someone to bomb an abortion clinic in the name of saving lives and while quoting scripture.

It is not as though anyone is asking anybody to have homosexual sex. I am not the least bit interested in it but will defend anyone's right to love anyone they want and engage in whatever type of consensual sex they want to .



This post was edited on 2/10 4:50 PM by Swaggah64

I don't really have time to tear you a new azzhole regarding your ignorant azz comment about black men not understanding bravery that it takes to do something first. But I'll just say this: Are you fckn serious??? Or are you that much of an arrogant white supremacist jackazz to disregard and overlook the history of black struggle and firsts in this country achieved my many straight black men? Let's know even speak about the civil rights struggle and all the bravery demonstrated during that time, what about all the black athletes who broke ground in every sport? Screw them right? Let's focus on the gay dude who's the real hero, huh? Gtfoh, he does not represent me or my people, he represents the gay community. This is not something I care to be associated with me or the social struggles of my people, you idiot!

This post was edited on 2/10 5:09 PM by Azar

Azar,

No need to rip me a new one and I understand your reaction to my post. I dont blame you.

Sometimes thoughts do not come across well on MBs and one word can change the whole intent of a message.

I was only refering to the couple of Black men in this thread that had no repect for what Sam will have to face and for the fact that he will be discriminated against for what he is and for no other reason.. I would think that Black men would sympathize with anyone who is facing a struggle for equality under the law and otherwise simply because of who they are.

I do not fit the demo of a White Supremacist also and I have 100% respect for the Black struggle in this country and in Sports. I have also has 100% respect for those that fought for Civil Rights.

I actually am glad that you called me on this otherwise I would not have noticed how poorly it came off.

I do not think that Sam's struggle is greater than Jackie Robinson's or other trailblazers of that ilk but still I do think that it is courageous and that he will have a difficult time but his struggle will have those that follow in his path not by screaming that they are gay but just by not having to hide who they are a live a lie.

Those that think that it is a big deal have a gay person in thelocker room I am sure will find that it will be absolutely no different that it was before. There have always been and will always be Gay men in sports.