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MY Story With Muhammad Ali...

Canerob...I have said many times, I am watching Alexander...and I read his posts...some I comment on, others I don't. That's the way it is..he has hurt some folks and I will handle that. Period.

I have a lot of info...we'll see how it plays out...so STFU or enjoy the show.
 
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Canerob...I have said many times, I am watching Alexander...and I read his posts...some I comment on, others I don't. That's the way it is..he has hurt some folks and I will handle that. Period.

I have a lot of info...we'll see how it plays out...so STFU or enjoy the show.
Yes, he hurt you because he was drunk at a tailgate and didn't remember you. So what?
 
I had the pleasure of being Ali's handler for 2 days in central Florida back in 1994. He was one of the nicest and most approachable celebrities I ever met, and went out of his way for kids big time!!!
 
Great fighter. Does anyone also remember the problems Jane Fonda caused during that time? Visiting North Vietnam while our troops are fighting a war and some were in POW camps being tortured and killed . I am not making any comparisons between Ali's draft dodging and Fonda's discusting manor in which she protested the Vietnam War, however we had two high profile Americans that protested our involvement in Vietnam. Ali's dodging of his draft was certainly less detrimental at that time than the traitorous damage that Fonda caused, however they had one thing in common, they gave our enemies propaganda that was used against us which was detrimental to our efforts at that time.
 
Big difference between being a CA and actually supporting the enemy! I'm not Fonda-Jane.
 
Hey Block head…stop telling these boring stories to any females you think want to marry you…trust me, they think you are the strange geek which you are…let it go…ha ha

This guy Alexander AKA Advarkas is a f'ing mess…he just might do it one day...

Canerob...I have said many times, I am watching Alexander...and I read his posts...some I comment on, others I don't. That's the way it is..he has hurt some folks and I will handle that. Period.

I have a lot of info...we'll see how it plays out...so STFU or enjoy the show.

 
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Ali was a bad man in the ring indeed.....
I can't call anyone a " great man" who was divorced 4 times.
A great man to me is a man of faith, a man of his word, a courageous man, , a man who sets an example for his kids......
Ali, doesn't fit that description to me.
I guess to each his own, but I cant imagine that it would be a healthy environment for kids for someone to stay in a marriage if its broken beyond repair. I am also guessing you dont believe in the possibilities of redemption.
 
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I think everyone can agree thar racists don't have a monopoly on ignorance. Ali was a great American and recognized that America had to change in order to save it from itself.

He had the courage to get up and say,"No." Most athletes and celebrities would simply shut up and collect their checks.
 
January, 2002... The University of Miami had beaten the hell out of Nebraska a few weeks earlier. I received a phone call and was cordially invited to have dinner as a guest, along with some other people with the entire 2001 Miami Hurricanes Team at Joe's Stone Crabs on Miami Beach. Talk about being excited for an opportunity of a lifetime.

As we were all being seated, in walked Muhammad Ali. Yes, THAT Muhammad Ali. Of course, he had already been battling his Parkinson's Disease for almost twenty years. Although his speech was not what it once was, and his physicality was noticeably debilitating, he was still an impressive figure. With his body guards by his side, he shook the hands of everyone at the tables, including mine, and by a remarkable coincidence, ended up sitting two or three chairs away from me. Needless to say, the entire restaurant was in awe of Ali and the National Champion Miami Hurricanes, and there was a lot of picture taking and interaction with the former Heavyweight Champion.

However, there were some brief moments of pause, and I found the courage to get up out of my chair, shake his hand again, and have a conversation (albeit very brief) with him about his faith and religion.

What precipitated me to do this was the fact that 4 years earlier in 1998, when I was 17, my family and I took a trip to the Middle East, which included stops in Israel, Jordan, and Syria. We were briefly imprisoned in Syria for passport technical violations. I have spoken about this incident from time to time on the Board, and many of you who know me know the whole story- I won't take the time to repeat it here. However, I reference what was a difficult time for my family and I in 1998 because I wanted to ask Ali about his conversion to Islam and how he used his faith as a basis for protesting the War, and how other famous people who were opposed to various wars, nevertheless heeded their call as an American to serve this country. Of course, I was respectful with him, and he even smiled and chuckled a few times, probably at the fact that this 21 year old college kid had the curiosity to ask him about real adult issues, of which he was graciously proud to discuss. He told me what most of us already know: that in his mind, he wasn't dodging the Draft because there was no war to fight unless it was declared by "Allah". I remember coming away with the impression that he was bothered, more than anything, by the fact that for HIM, he shouldn't have to fight a "war" some five thousand miles away when there were "wars" (i.e., race/civil rights movement) five miles away. I gave him a hug and thanked him for his time and wished him well and sat back down. For such a powerful, all-time great American athlete, his demeanor was very peaceful- talking to him felt like talking to a professor in college, and I wanted to soak up as much of his thoughts as I could in the little time I talked to him at the table.

So, with this short story, I say now what I have said over the past few days, and what I have consistently said for years. That is, as much as I respect Ali for being one of the greatest all-time American Athletes, for ME, I do not consider him one of the greatest all-time AMERICANS, because of his reluctance to heed the call of duty and serve his country (despite what can be considered a reasonable basis based on his faith). That doesn't mean that Ali was either a bad person or a bad American, but it DOES mean, in my opinion, that he cannot be considered a great American on the level of a George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Jackie Robinson, Fredrick Douglass, or a George Patton. I will concede that Ali DID serve his country in other ways, most notably as a proponent for racial equality under the law. Perhaps it can be argued that that was even more important than fighting in the War.

What is truly disgusting, dishonest, and frankly disturbing is how some of you treat reasonable criticism of Ali as some sort of either racially or bigotry based personal attack. That is weak sauce shit. If you have a reasonable rebuttal to criticism of Ali, then lay it out like an intellectual person, instead of being weak. All this other bullshit attacking posters who either criticize Ali or have a different opinion is WEAK. It is what weak minded people do. Don't twist words; don't shift the narrative; don't be a p***y and play the race card when there is no basis for playing it. What I find funny almost as much as anything is the fact that so many people tell me I would never say "ABC" to such and such person- well chances are, I ALREADY HAVE. I'll discuss any issue, anytime, anywhere.

More than anything else anyone can say about your post let me tart with one simple word "RESPECT." YOU MY NOT AGREE WITH WHAT HE DID BUT YOU WERE AND ARE RESPECTFUL ABOUT IT.
 
Metar. I see u have taken up meth now. What's next? Keep swinging away kid!! You might actually hit the ball one day! :)
 
Legitimate question?

Why is it that when someone has a difference of opinion on a black man, or with a black man, does everyone get so sensitive and start calling people racists who raised the disagreement or difference of opinion in the first place?

Why can't it be just a difference of opinion among men?

The political correctness I see is nauseating, scared to say the wrong thing because someone might be offended or cry racist.

It's called victimology, and I see it here, I hear it in conversations, I see it in news reporting. The insertion of political and racial differences into debates like these is to give one particular individual the upper hand, and not so fairly given the current environment.
 
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Legitimate question?

Why is it that when someone has a difference of opinion on a black man, or with a black man, does everyone get so sensitive and start calling people racists who raised the disagreement or difference of opinion in the first place?

Why can't it be just a difference of opinion among men?

The political correctness I see is nauseating, scared to say the wrong thing because someone might be offended or cry racist.

It's called victimology, and I see it here, I hear it in conversations, I see it in news reporting. The insertion of political and racial differences into debates like these is to give one particular individual the upper hand, and not so fairly given the current environment.


It's not a legit question until I say it is. Learn that. I am the man around here.
 
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More than anything else anyone can say about your post let me tart with one simple word "RESPECT." YOU MY NOT AGREE WITH WHAT HE DID BUT YOU WERE AND ARE RESPECTFUL ABOUT IT.
I cant argue with this, especially after reading other people's posts where they claim its only liberals who are the ones supporting what Ali did. Another poster actually implied that Ali should have been more like Elvis.
 
January, 2002... The University of Miami had beaten the hell out of Nebraska a few weeks earlier. I received a phone call and was cordially invited to have dinner as a guest, along with some other people with the entire 2001 Miami Hurricanes Team at Joe's Stone Crabs on Miami Beach. Talk about being excited for an opportunity of a lifetime.

As we were all being seated, in walked Muhammad Ali. Yes, THAT Muhammad Ali. Of course, he had already been battling his Parkinson's Disease for almost twenty years. Although his speech was not what it once was, and his physicality was noticeably debilitating, he was still an impressive figure. With his body guards by his side, he shook the hands of everyone at the tables, including mine, and by a remarkable coincidence, ended up sitting two or three chairs away from me. Needless to say, the entire restaurant was in awe of Ali and the National Champion Miami Hurricanes, and there was a lot of picture taking and interaction with the former Heavyweight Champion.

However, there were some brief moments of pause, and I found the courage to get up out of my chair, shake his hand again, and have a conversation (albeit very brief) with him about his faith and religion.

What precipitated me to do this was the fact that 4 years earlier in 1998, when I was 17, my family and I took a trip to the Middle East, which included stops in Israel, Jordan, and Syria. We were briefly imprisoned in Syria for passport technical violations. I have spoken about this incident from time to time on the Board, and many of you who know me know the whole story- I won't take the time to repeat it here. However, I reference what was a difficult time for my family and I in 1998 because I wanted to ask Ali about his conversion to Islam and how he used his faith as a basis for protesting the War, and how other famous people who were opposed to various wars, nevertheless heeded their call as an American to serve this country. Of course, I was respectful with him, and he even smiled and chuckled a few times, probably at the fact that this 21 year old college kid had the curiosity to ask him about real adult issues, of which he was graciously proud to discuss. He told me what most of us already know: that in his mind, he wasn't dodging the Draft because there was no war to fight unless it was declared by "Allah". I remember coming away with the impression that he was bothered, more than anything, by the fact that for HIM, he shouldn't have to fight a "war" some five thousand miles away when there were "wars" (i.e., race/civil rights movement) five miles away. I gave him a hug and thanked him for his time and wished him well and sat back down. For such a powerful, all-time great American athlete, his demeanor was very peaceful- talking to him felt like talking to a professor in college, and I wanted to soak up as much of his thoughts as I could in the little time I talked to him at the table.

So, with this short story, I say now what I have said over the past few days, and what I have consistently said for years. That is, as much as I respect Ali for being one of the greatest all-time American Athletes, for ME, I do not consider him one of the greatest all-time AMERICANS, because of his reluctance to heed the call of duty and serve his country (despite what can be considered a reasonable basis based on his faith). That doesn't mean that Ali was either a bad person or a bad American, but it DOES mean, in my opinion, that he cannot be considered a great American on the level of a George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Jackie Robinson, Fredrick Douglass, or a George Patton. I will concede that Ali DID serve his country in other ways, most notably as a proponent for racial equality under the law. Perhaps it can be argued that that was even more important than fighting in the War.

What is truly disgusting, dishonest, and frankly disturbing is how some of you treat reasonable criticism of Ali as some sort of either racially or bigotry based personal attack. That is weak sauce shit. If you have a reasonable rebuttal to criticism of Ali, then lay it out like an intellectual person, instead of being weak. All this other bullshit attacking posters who either criticize Ali or have a different opinion is WEAK. It is what weak minded people do. Don't twist words; don't shift the narrative; don't be a p***y and play the race card when there is no basis for playing it. What I find funny almost as much as anything is the fact that so many people tell me I would never say "ABC" to such and such person- well chances are, I ALREADY HAVE. I'll discuss any issue, anytime, anywhere.


I would disagree as I do view him as a great American. I was a high school student when he refused to be inducted as a conscientious objector. A lot of people were down on him, but the fact was one, we had in place an exemption for those who were conscientious objectors and two, he had converted to his faith before he was drafted and his views were well known. As a 17 year old kid I never doubted his sincerity regarding his faith and his refusal to serve. He applied for exemption under the rules that we had in place and that, along with everything else he did over the years for us I have always admired him. I hurt when I would see him suffering the effects of his disease and hope that he is now peacefully at rest.
 
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I guess to each his own, but I cant imagine that it would be a healthy environment for kids for someone to stay in a marriage if its broken beyond repair. I am also guessing you dont believe in the possibilities of redemption.


Come on...he was pretty well known as a womanizer. Don't come with that weak crap.
To me , he was a great fighter and very entertaining but I can't call him a great man.
Healthy environment for kids.....please. That's crap. Four divorces later. Yea, right.
 
Come on...he was pretty well known as a womanizer. Don't come with that weak crap.
To me , he was a great fighter and very entertaining but I can't call him a great man.
Healthy environment for kids.....please. That's crap. Four divorces later. Yea, right.
Have to admit, that's was his biggest vice...woman. He was pretty.
 
Come on...he was pretty well known as a womanizer. Don't come with that weak crap.
To me , he was a great fighter and very entertaining but I can't call him a great man.
Healthy environment for kids.....please. That's crap. Four divorces later. Yea, right.
Since you're a man of faith I'm just curious which sins should never be forgiven? In the honor and style of "The Greatest" I truly believe that if Ali had more time on earth we might hear the following quote from him or maybe he is saying the following right now: weak men should never use the term "weak crap"----The spirit of The Greatest (June 6, 2016).
 
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Canerob...I have said many times, I am watching Alexander...and I read his posts...some I comment on, others I don't. That's the way it is..he has hurt some folks and I will handle that. Period.

I have a lot of info...we'll see how it plays out...so STFU or enjoy the show.

I'm quite sure he is shaking in his boots roflmao, "you are watching him." so what are you the thought police? lol You will handle it? C'mon man get over yourself!
 
So your saying, he's not a great man, because he had 4 wives? Or because he had children out of wedlock?
So he's, not the husband of the year, but he was in the running a few times. Lol.
You never know, the true causes of someone's divorce, or divorces.
Ali was a great man for a long time, but, he's still a man.
I'm sure he had a TON of women, but turned down tons also.
I think it's hard to comprehend, some aspects of he's life. He travelled the world in the 60's and 70's
Question,when was the last time, Ali wasn't the most famous person in the room?
He was so amazingly recognized all around the world, pre-Internet world.
My ramble is over for now. I didn't even write my Ali story.
 
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I just tried to get through the OP and I couldn't do it. I did read most of the other posts and one point that has been brought up makes for interesting discussion. Enough time has past where hopefully some of the emotion has worn off.

Ali was a man. Not a God. He wasn't perfect. Not even close. He did some great things, he did some shitty things. It is fine to celebrate the great things, but to ignore the shitty things and paint Ali as a godlike figure is insulting. As stated he was a womanizer. Not cool in my book but many men have been swayed by a pretty lady. He shouldn't be viewed as a criminal, but he also should not be viewed as a messiah.

My favorite Ali story took place after he was stripped of the title for being a CA. After things were settled Ali was in need of help. He turned to Joe Frazier. He asked Joe for money. Joe gave him money. He asked Joe to help him get liscensed. Joe got Ali liscensed. Ali repaid Joe by calling him a guerilla and disparaging him publicly. Some will argue Ali was selling a fight. Frazier never forgave Ali for the way he treated him.
 
I just tried to get through the OP and I couldn't do it. I did read most of the other posts and one point that has been brought up makes for interesting discussion. Enough time has past where hopefully some of the emotion has worn off.

Ali was a man. Not a God. He wasn't perfect. Not even close. He did some great things, he did some shitty things. It is fine to celebrate the great things, but to ignore the shitty things and paint Ali as a godlike figure is insulting. As stated he was a womanizer. Not cool in my book but many men have been swayed by a pretty lady. He shouldn't be viewed as a criminal, but he also should not be viewed as a messiah.

My favorite Ali story took place after he was stripped of the title for being a CA. After things were settled Ali was in need of help. He turned to Joe Frazier. He asked Joe for money. Joe gave him money. He asked Joe to help him get liscensed. Joe got Ali liscensed. Ali repaid Joe by calling him a guerilla and disparaging him publicly. Some will argue Ali was selling a fight. Frazier never forgave Ali for the way he treated him.
Well whoever is insulted then I suggest not reading the Ali threads as there will be some more where I and others will probably continue to paint him like a Godlike figure since his memorial is coming up. As for your post.....I dont get insulted....instead, unlike Ali, I am passing judgment.
 
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Advarkas save your B.S. story about Ali. You expressed how you feel with that ignorant azz draft dodger comment. I'd have roasted your azz had I seen that post earlier . However, I won't even bother going hard in on you at this point. Ill just say this, you're one of those white dudes who believes he's not racist but in actuality has a white supremacist Ideology which I've seen you express on more than a few posts in the past on various topics. However, you might want to step out you white azz world and read a real history book vs the sanitized versions I'm sure you where taught. Otherwise, there's no way in hell you'd make a dumbazz statement about a black man being a draft dodger. In fact, no black man should have fought for this damn country at the time yet brave black men still put their lives on the line for this wicked and shameful azz country who to this day has never given special thanks nor apologized for any of it torture, murder, rape, and never ending wickedness perpetrated against people of African descent.
 
Come on...he was pretty well known as a womanizer. Don't come with that weak crap.
To me , he was a great fighter and very entertaining but I can't call him a great man.
Healthy environment for kids.....please. That's crap. Four divorces later. Yea, right.

Name a great man, one you consider great, athlete or whoever that you know who wasn't a womanizer? I won't wait on the answer to this one because you'll be thinking for rest of your life attempting to naming one. Ya'll just start pulling b.s. outta your azz attempting to discredit black icons especially those who fought for justice for black folks which seems to make many white folks pretty angry. This justice thing for black folks has always been a lightening rod in the white community and still is, oddly enough
 
I just tried to get through the OP and I couldn't do it. I did read most of the other posts and one point that has been brought up makes for interesting discussion. Enough time has past where hopefully some of the emotion has worn off.

Ali was a man. Not a God. He wasn't perfect. Not even close. He did some great things, he did some shitty things. It is fine to celebrate the great things, but to ignore the shitty things and paint Ali as a godlike figure is insulting. As stated he was a womanizer. Not cool in my book but many men have been swayed by a pretty lady. He shouldn't be viewed as a criminal, but he also should not be viewed as a messiah.

My favorite Ali story took place after he was stripped of the title for being a CA. After things were settled Ali was in need of help. He turned to Joe Frazier. He asked Joe for money. Joe gave him money. He asked Joe to help him get liscensed. Joe got Ali liscensed. Ali repaid Joe by calling him a guerilla and disparaging him publicly. Some will argue Ali was selling a fight. Frazier never forgave Ali for the way he treated him.

To say he didn't forgive him is not accurate, if anything, before Joe died he had a great respect for Ali, even looking at him as a brother.
 
Advarkas save your B.S. story about Ali. You expressed how you feel with that ignorant azz draft dodger comment. I'd have roasted your azz had I seen that post earlier . However, I won't even bother going hard in on you at this point. Ill just say this, you're one of those white dudes who believes he's not racist but in actuality has a white supremacist Ideology which I've seen you express on more than a few posts in the past on various topics. However, you might want to step out you white azz world and read a real history book vs the sanitized versions I'm sure you where taught. Otherwise, there's no way in hell you'd make a dumbazz statement about a black man being a draft dodger. In fact, no black man should have fought for this damn country at the time yet brave black men still put their lives on the line for this wicked and shameful azz country who to this day has never given special thanks nor apologized for any of it torture, murder, rape, and never ending wickedness perpetrated against people of African descent.
Leave him alone Azar. Some of his best friends are black.
 
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Lol at Azar coming with the race card. This has zero to do with race.
It takes me one second to think of a great man - my dad.
He was faithful to my mom until his death. He was a man of faith. He was extremely unselfish. He put his family first - all the time.i could go on and on.
I can name tons of other friends that I consider to be great men.
From what I can tell Bush Sr fits the bill as a great man.
Just because Ali made a stand and was a great athlete doesn't qualify him as a great man in my book. And I couldn't care less about his color.
 
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To say he didn't forgive him is not accurate, if anything, before Joe died he had a great respect for Ali, even looking at him as a brother.
From what I heard Joe was upset that Ali apologized to Marvis but never to Joe.
 
Although I get sickened and angry when we currently see the types of violence coming from both parties during this election cycle, I cant fault some of the violent protesting that was happening during the Vietnam War because the conditions during that era were unlike anything we will ever see. Still throughout it all, Ali was able to realize that he no longer needed to take advice from others and that he was capable of handling things his way and of course began to condemn the violence. He was the epitome of a free thinker.
 
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Lol at Azar coming with the race card. This has zero to do with race.
It takes me one second to think of a great man - my dad.
He was faithful to my mom until his death. He was a man of faith. He was extremely unselfish. He put his family first - all the time.i could go on and on.
I can name tons of other friends that I consider to be great men.
From what I can tell Bush Sr fits the bill as a great man.
Just because Ali made a stand and was a great athlete doesn't qualify him as a great man in my book. And I couldn't care less about his color.
I don't want to get into the middle of a debate on race, but to address the other aspect of your post about being faithful - I think the key to the equation is "famous" men. That's why I personally phrased it that way earlier in my post. That changes things dramatically. Chris Rock has a great line: "men are only as faithful as their options." I find this statement to be amazingly accurate in most instances.

That's not to say your dad would have cheated had he been famous with women throwing themselves at him, or that every famous man has cheated, but I'd bet my house that the number of famous men ("with options") who have remained faithful is a damn small number. I'm not condoning it mind you - I'm not famous but I've had more than my share of options yet remained faithful to my wife - but it's a reality. And it's impossible to say whether a powerful man (like the elder Bush) has or hasn't - not something you can judge from appearances or afar (particulary in the pre social media/smart phone world).
 
I don't want to get into the middle of a debate on race, but to address the other aspect of your post about being faithful - I think the key to the equation is "famous" men. That's why I personally phrased it that way earlier in my post. That changes things dramatically. Chris Rock has a great line: "men are only as faithful as their options." I find this statement to be amazingly accurate in most instances.

That's not to say your dad would have cheated had he been famous with women throwing themselves at him, or that every famous man has cheated, but I'd bet my house that the number of famous men ("with options") who have remained faithful is a damn small number. I'm not condoning it mind you - I'm not famous but I've had more than my share of options yet remained faithful to my wife - but it's a reality. And it's impossible to say whether a powerful man (like the elder Bush) has or hasn't - not something you can judge from appearances or afar (particulary in the pre social media/smart phone world).
You nailed this!!!!! Inexposure does not equal fidelity. Nobody knows what kind of personal life someone has until its exposed. We have seen many situations where we dont hear until years and years later, sometimes a decade or two , that someone had an extra marital affair at some point in their lives. I am not saying Bush did, but its easily conceivable to understand how things can be hidden.
 
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lol.and smgdh at SOME of you on this board..keep telling yourself you arnt raciest one day you just might convince youself..#Just an opinion right? #respect everyones opinion right..#that gose both ways right?
 
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Name a great man, one you consider great, athlete or whoever that you know who wasn't a womanizer? I won't wait on the answer to this one because you'll be thinking for rest of your life attempting to naming one. Ya'll just start pulling b.s. outta your azz attempting to discredit black icons especially those who fought for justice for black folks which seems to make many white folks pretty angry. This justice thing for black folks has always been a lightening rod in the white community and still is, oddly enough
Well Said..#Facts
 
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Certainly, do not think being great boxer makes you a great American. I do agree with most of what Adv is saying. I don't agree with Ali not answering the call to serve and protect the country that blessed him/us with the rights to speak out and live for the most part as we please.

I do respect that Ali did play by the rules and did not just cowardly flee to Canada. I do believe Ali was sincere in his beliefs, and certainly not the equivalent of all the cowards that did flee to the north.
 
lol.and smgdh at SOME of you on this board..keep telling yourself you arnt raciest one day you just might convince youself..#Just an opinion right? #respect everyones opinion right..#that gose both ways right?
You have the right approach....all you can do is laugh out loud while some of the others on here will try to convince themselves that they're happy people.
 
Advarkas save your B.S. story about Ali. You expressed how you feel with that ignorant azz draft dodger comment. I'd have roasted your azz had I seen that post earlier . However, I won't even bother going hard in on you at this point. Ill just say this, you're one of those white dudes who believes he's not racist but in actuality has a white supremacist Ideology which I've seen you express on more than a few posts in the past on various topics. However, you might want to step out you white azz world and read a real history book vs the sanitized versions I'm sure you where taught. Otherwise, there's no way in hell you'd make a dumbazz statement about a black man being a draft dodger. In fact, no black man should have fought for this damn country at the time yet brave black men still put their lives on the line for this wicked and shameful azz country who to this day has never given special thanks nor apologized for any of it torture, murder, rape, and never ending wickedness perpetrated against people of African descent.
Well Said brother and very truthful,check out his little click he got they all roll together on here.just sit back and watch you'll see who they are i called there ass out 5months ago,every since then i wanted too make shore i wasnt tripping so i just sat back and watched.. and the same ones i called out are just what i knew they are ..and then they try to cover it up with shit like " oh its just a opinion" to the people on the board If you havent studied black history then you dont know a dam thing about being black and you shouldnt speak on anything thats got to do with a black men or woman,because you dont know shit about our true history.I wouldnt fight for that bullshit war nether,the U,S wasnt in any danger from them weak people so how was that defending america?we wasnt attacked here.them people still at war with each other right now and we havent been in any danger on u.s soil from an attack from a vitnamese. U.S killed them people for nothing and got there ass whipped and ran.all them young people black and white died for the love of ****ing money by our greedy ass goverment..and on that note anyone who dont like it bring your ass up here and do something about it dont talk me to death behind a keybord my name MARK DAVIS I ant hard too find..ase my brother glad you spoke your mind.now lets see how much respect we gonna get for just having an opinion since thats been the excuse used for others when they want too say something about a blackman..
 
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Well stated bruh P! I've been banging with these white supremacist for years now and they still continue to say the most racist things and claim they're not racist. Their arrogance and their God complex leads them to believe they understand our plight better than we do and, might I add, they're quite the experts on racism. Don't know how they know it so well but they seem to know what it looks like, how it works, and how we should respond to it. Ali being a great man is not a matter of opinion, it's fact, at least where humanity is concerned. Ali put everything on the line, his career, money, fame and fortune for his people and beliefs. This is at a time when black people had very few right and opportunity. Most men would have buckled or sold out under the pressure, he didn't. He stood like man and a souljah, and spoke boldly, unapologetically and proudly for not only the civil rights of his people but the human rights and dignity of black people. Yet, historically ignorant dudes like the o.p. and the like conveniently disregard all the evil and inhumane sh*t being perpetrated by the state, fed governments, and the white collective as they truly believed in the superiority lie they've been sold. They mention nothing of the culture/climate of racial hatred, murder, oppression, brutality, and disenfranchisement that was occurring during that time. Noooo, it was just Ali the draft dodger. What they fail to realize is that anyone looking back on history, or let me say, any human looking back on that era would more than agree with what Ali did, what he stood for and recognize the sacrifices he made in fighting for justice for an entire race of people. However, if your reality, compassion, and humanity ends where another race begins then you get dumb azz comments that disregard all the crimes against other humanity and make judgments based solely on the interest of your people and yours only. This is the form of white supremacy we still deal with the today
 
I don't want to get into the middle of a debate on race, but to address the other aspect of your post about being faithful - I think the key to the equation is "famous" men. That's why I personally phrased it that way earlier in my post. That changes things dramatically. Chris Rock has a great line: "men are only as faithful as their options." I find this statement to be amazingly accurate in most instances.

That's not to say your dad would have cheated had he been famous with women throwing themselves at him, or that every famous man has cheated, but I'd bet my house that the number of famous men ("with options") who have remained faithful is a damn small number. I'm not condoning it mind you - I'm not famous but I've had more than my share of options yet remained faithful to my wife - but it's a reality. And it's impossible to say whether a powerful man (like the elder Bush) has or hasn't - not something you can judge from appearances or afar (particulary in the pre social media/smart phone world).

Very well said and I can't argue with your post at all. I just think mine and probably your definition of a great man is somewhat different than most. Particularly the younger generation where divorce is not only accepted it's almost expected.
 
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