New AP / NORC poll if you libs thought it was bad LOOKOUT!!

[HJCane]

Biden's approval dips to lowest of presidency: AP-NORC poll

A new poll shows President Joe Biden’s approval rating dipped to the lowest point of his presidency in May, with deepening pessimism emerging among members of his own Democratic Party.

apnews.com

For those too lazy to read:

Only 39% of U.S. adults approve of Biden’s performance as president, according to the poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Research, dipping from already negative ratings a month earlier.

Overall, only about 2 in 10 adults say the U.S. is heading in the right direction or the economy is good, both down from about 3 in 10 a month earlier. Those drops were concentrated among Democrats, with just 33% within the president’s party saying the country is headed in the right direction, down from 49% in April.

JUST 33% IN HIS OWN PARTY!! And ONLY 20% think Country is headed in right direction. ( There are a few of that 20% right here on this forum)

 

[rappstr]

In both parties, our congress, judiciary, and executive branches are terrible... A sad reflection of the short term me first orientation of our population. Neither Biden nor Trump have answers. Garbage in, garbage out. Bad voters make for bad outcomes. The two party system is a duopoly and we need more parties and some true competition of ideas and leadership. We need to be able to have votes of no-confidence to get rid of bad leaders. How given our wealth can we not have a comprehensive social safety net with free higher education, health care, housing, food, minimum income? We can have a safety net and incentives. We aren't dreaming big enough. Why are we graduating with six figure student debts? Why so much homeless? No excuse for this.

 

[HJCane]

In both parties, our congress, judiciary, and executive branches are terrible... A sad reflection of the short term me first orientation of our population. Neither Biden nor Trump have answers. Garbage in, garbage out. Bad voters make for bad outcomes. The two party system is a duopoly and we need more parties and some true competition of ideas and leadership. We need to be able to have votes of no-confidence to get rid of bad leaders. How given our wealth can we not have a comprehensive social safety net with free higher education, health care, housing, food, minimum income? We can have a safety net and incentives. We aren't dreaming big enough. Why are we graduating with six figure student debts? Why so much homeless? No excuse for this.

So to be clear your dream of America is a dream where everything is free? You're in the wrong country pal. This is the country where if you study hard, work hard, live within your means and save a few bucks you can have a life they only DREAM about in most other countries.

 

[central17]

So to be clear your dream of America is a dream where everything is free? You're in the wrong country pal. This is the country where if you study hard, work hard, live within your means and save a few bucks you can have a life they only DREAM about in most other countries.

HJ,
I agree with you about the outcome rappstr specifies. But his advocating for a European style parlimentary system does merit consideration. The two party system certainly has failed the country with the current Biden/Pelosi/Shumer debacle.

My views have changed a bit since Covid. Given the money we are spending I would prefer smaller dollars going to more Americans, than the Billions that are paid to advocacy groups that provide huge dollars to a relatively few for stupid stuff. Wouldn't it be better to take all the money spent by say the Department of Education, for studies and salaries for transgender. CRT, and other hate America and it values propaganda and give it average LEGAL citizens for gas, food, rent and baby formula?

 

[genghiscane]

In both parties, our congress, judiciary, and executive branches are terrible... A sad reflection of the short term me first orientation of our population. Neither Biden nor Trump have answers. Garbage in, garbage out. Bad voters make for bad outcomes. The two party system is a duopoly and we need more parties and some true competition of ideas and leadership. We need to be able to have votes of no-confidence to get rid of bad leaders. How given our wealth can we not have a comprehensive social safety net with free higher education, health care, housing, food, minimum income? We can have a safety net and incentives. We aren't dreaming big enough. Why are we graduating with six figure student debts? Why so much homeless? No excuse for this.

Kinda agree but… look at the areas that do have all those free services. Detroit et al. Look at LA. San Fran. Can’t walk down the sidewalk.
“Everything” free ISNT the answer.

 

[CanesGhosts]

In both parties, our congress, judiciary, and executive branches are terrible... A sad reflection of the short term me first orientation of our population. Neither Biden nor Trump have answers. Garbage in, garbage out. Bad voters make for bad outcomes. The two party system is a duopoly and we need more parties and some true competition of ideas and leadership. We need to be able to have votes of no-confidence to get rid of bad leaders. How given our wealth can we not have a comprehensive social safety net with free higher education, health care, housing, food, minimum income? We can have a safety net and incentives. We aren't dreaming big enough. Why are we graduating with six figure student debts? Why so much homeless? No excuse for this.

That’s called Communism. I can’t believe we are at this point in America.

 

[HJCane]

HJ,
I agree with you about the outcome rappstr specifies. But his advocating for a European style parlimentary system does merit. The two party system certainly has failed the country with the current Biden/Pelosi/Shumer debacle.

My views have changed a bit since Covid. Given the money we are spending I would prefer smaller dollars going to more Americans, than the Billions that are paid to advocacy groups that provide huge dollars to a relatively few for stupid stuff. Wouldn't it be better to take all the money spent by say the Department of Education, for studies and salaries for transgender. CRT, and other hate America and it values propaganda and give it average LEGAL citizens for gas, food, rent and baby formula?

No I disagree. It would be best to try and get past the Covid era and get back to pre- covid.
Covid pandemic has caused other changes in society. It has driven up wages, it has increased the number of people able to work from home a good portion of their week, it has opened up the eyes to many Americans on things like their school board and curriculum, and local and state politics.
central we are broke man. By any standard this country is financially broke. Too much debt, too many obligations, too quick to help other countries with our printing press. Spending MUST be cut by the Federal Gov't. even 1/2% across the board spending cut for 2-3 years would help tremendously.

 

[central17]

No I disagree. It would be best to try and get past the Covid era and get back to pre- covid.
Covid pandemic has caused other changes in society. It has driven up wages, it has increased the number of people able to work from home a good portion of their week, it has opened up the eyes to many Americans on things like their school board and curriculum, and local and state politics.
central we are broke man. By any standard this country is financially broke. Too much debt, too many obligations, too quick to help other countries with our printing press. Spending MUST be cut by the Federal Gov't. even 1/2% across the board spending cut for 2-3 years would help tremendously.

You are 100% correct about reduction of spending being the best answer. But until there is any reason to believe that will actually happen, thinking outside of the box may be the best option. The current system has baked in Trillion$ to special interests. No balanced budget amendment, no line item veto, standard annual increases built into federal spending,,,,

Most citizens are disconnected from government spending and have no idea how deficits, debt and wasteful spending limits their lives potential.
I ask the following binary question: What would you prefer?
a) The Biden Pocahontas student loan debt forgiveness to kids that went to overpriced snobby Northeastern schools and got useless "social warrior" degrees.
Or
b) Offer an alternative; that money (probably a stimulus like amount - $1,200) go to all citizens, that includes SS recipients, non college educated, those that already paid their student debt, etc.

Now I know your response is going to be "neither", but we are where we are at. I fully expect sometime before November Pelosi is going to chain some amount of student loan forgiveness to a spending bill that does some good things like our military spending, threaten a gov't shutdown if the bill doesn't pass, Republicans will cave and it will be done. But if the population understood that money was going to pay liberal elitist's debt, not their credit card card, they would pay attention. Plus we would begin to have people learn how wasteful most education (and other spending is). That would begin to starve the swamp beast

HJ, humor me for the purposes of debate. Please answer the binary question first, then go on to explain why neither is the right choice, which it is. But also understand that some level of student loan writeoff is going to occur under the current calculus.

 

[HJCane]

You are 100% correct about reduction of spending being the best answer. But until there is any reason to believe that will actually happen, thinking outside of the box may be the best option. The current system has baked in Trillion$ to special interests. No balanced budget amendment, no line item veto, standard annual increases built into federal spending,,,,

Most citizens are disconnected from government spending and have no idea how deficits, debt and wasteful spending limits their lives potential.
I ask the following binary question: What would you prefer?
a) The Biden Pocahontas student loan debt forgiveness to kids that went to overpriced snobby Northeastern schools and got useless "social warrior" degrees.
Or
b) Offer an alternative; that money (probably a stimulus like amount - $1,200) go to all citizens, that includes SS recipients, non college educated, those that already paid their student debt, etc.

Now I know your response is going to be "neither", but we are where we are at. I fully expect sometime before November Pelosi is going to chain some amount of student loan forgiveness to a spending bill that does some good things like our military spending, threaten a gov't shutdown if the bill doesn't pass, Republicans will cave and it will be done. But if the population understood that money was going to pay liberal elitist's debt, not their credit card card, they would pay attention. Plus we would begin to have people learn how wasteful most education (and other spending is). That would begin to starve the swamp beast

HJ, humor me for the purposes of debate. Please answer the binary question first, then go on to explain why neither is the right choice, which it is. But also understand that some level of student loan writeoff is going to occur under the current calculus.

I can't answer I don't like either choice.
Wiping out Stuedent loan debt is a bad idea and unfair for many reasons. ( I have a son that still owes 120K for law school)
Giving more " stimulus" is bad because we don't have the money and printing so much has resulted in the severe inflation we are seeing.
I will say this on Student Loan debt; CHANGE the system. Make it easier for them to pay back. Change the interest rates, make them re-finance for a time frame and KNOWN payment that they can afford, help them actually pay down principle. The system is so messed up. My son refinanced and all of a sudden he actually saw his balances start to go down.

 

[genghiscane]

I can't answer I don't like either choice.
Wiping out Stuedent loan debt is a bad idea and unfair for many reasons. ( I have a son that still owes 120K for law school)
Giving more " stimulus" is bad because we don't have the money and printing so much has resulted in the severe inflation we are seeing.
I will say this on Student Loan debt; CHANGE the system. Make it easier for them to pay back. Change the interest rates, make them re-finance for a time frame and KNOWN payment that they can afford, help them actually pay down principle. The system is so messed up. My son refinanced and all of a sudden he actually saw his balances start to go down.

Agree. Wiping out debt isn’t the answer and certainly isn’t fair. How about lowering the cost of tuition? Janet Napolitano (a Clinton appointee) while President of the UCal system, hid millions of dollars from the state legislature so she could go beg for more. Her goal? To give a raise to all the university professors. Thereby increasing the costs of tuition You know…because that’s the socialists‘ way.
Then you got Pocahontas. Getting paid $440,000 to teach 2 classes.
Harvards endowment is so great the could let students go to school for free for a decade and not make a dent.
It’s just funny the folks who want people to pay their fair share are filthy rich and seeking more. They’re the ones wanting free tuition yet sought to increase an already high cost And demanding hundreds of thousands of $$. These libs are sickening virtue signalers.

If you want or help others ….tell them what they need to hear. If you want to help yourself….tell them what they want to hear.
Thomas Sowell.
Example. Obama running on a universal healthcare Promise. Gets massive majority in Congress. Could walk a bill into Congress. But he didn’t do it for some reason. All these virtue signaling pieces of sh t. And we have folks falling over them and calling Trump a liar.