OT UPDATE 7/20 Miami Dolphins New National Anthem Policy - POS Ross now says he may not do anything
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That would be hilarious if the whole team did it. I actually hope like 30 players do it! Peaceful protest for a noble cause that is heartfelt in a country that was born out of protest w a constitution that preserves that right.
"SOB...v...Very fine ppl"... Lord help us!
There are thousand of issues for which you can kneel, where does it end. The issue is NOT the problem, its the fact that players are choosing to do so at a time of the game when everyone pays respect to the country WE all love. Personally, I have no objection to recognizing all the issues in the world, however, there is a right time and place. The players should ask for a separate dedicated moment before, during or after the game to kneel for whatever cause they want to represent whether unified or separate.
1. Nothing in the contract mandating that players stand during the national anthem and
2. Players stayed in their locker rooms during the anthem until 2009
2. Players stayed in their locker rooms during the anthem until 2009
And the owners and fans have a right to protest their protest.
Obummer you are correct. However, the owners and the fans have rights also. Privileged men, regardless of race, who get paid millions to play a boys game maybe should not be what we want for the country. How many teachers, doctors etc.. would we be able to fund with the dollars we pay these priviledged individuals?
BINGO.
This is what liberals, the liberal bitch whore mainstream media, and the players themselves continue to fail to understand.
They all keep saying it's about "racial inequalities", "racial inequalities", "racial inequalities"... Not shit it's about racial inequalities. People know kneeling is about racial inequality.
This is about EMPLOYERS protesting at work for their EMPLOYEES' companies i.e., NFL franchises. There are no "freedom of speech" safeguards. That legal analysis only becomes applicable when the GOVERNMENT's conduct impacts the individual's right of freedom speech. If you're a player and your make a statement- a political statement, a racial statement, ANY statement, then YOU, the PLAYER, the run risk of being fined, suspended, traded, fired, cut, etc...
Players can and should be able to make the statements they want to make OUTSIDE of the scope of their employment, in their own personal time. When you on your boss' time, you better STFU, toe the line, and get with the program- or, go BUY an NFL Franchise and set whatever internal policies you want concerning the anthem.
Game over, I think that's pretty simple.
To be honest the NFL should be suspending these players for more than 4 games, and without pay even, but I know that's the franchise responsibility....but that's the way it should be.
It doesn't matter what it is about. At any other job you can't protest on the clock if your employer doesn't want you to. An NFL player is an employee of their team. If the player wants to use his fame and access to the media to protest something then he is more than welcome to. However, if his employer doesn't want him protesting on the clock then he shouldn't be able to. It's really that simple.
Maybe the owners will put it in the CBA so they actually do have a right. And fans have rights, too. They can stand, kneel or do what they want during the anthem. But you don't have a right to prohibit others from offending your delicate sensibilities.
It actually has to do with the CBA and not simply "employment at will" in a vacuum. If this is something that the owners care deeply about, they need to work it into the next CBA. Sure, you can fire your secretary in your office for protesting, but your secretary doesn't have a CBA.
I decided to walk in the shoes of an NFL player this morning. You know, the ones who were afforded a free education and a multi million dollar vank
Even when the very "founder" of this movement wears socks with Fidel Castro and Pigs referring to police officers? I am sure our troops are fond of the Castro socks. Get a clue young man.
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I think you said it backwards, didn't you mean EMPLOYEES or the players protesting at work for their EMPLOYERS or the owners?
I personally don't have strong feelings one way or the other about this issue and most employers don't play the National Anthem at their organizations even within the federal government and I work for DoD. My question is what's the difference between or how can NFL owners require players to stand for the National Anthem but the Supreme Court can rule that forcing kids at school to recite the Pledge of Allegiance as being unconstitutional?
re: the issue of Pledge of Allegiance in schools only applies to public schools.
I think public schools are part of govt. State govt I believe. SCOTUS I guess ruled against religion and govt mixing. NFL is a private body and the franchise's are private employers. But I do believe the new SCOTUS will enable religion to go back into public schools as soon as the first case comes up.
And? What does whether they're parochial or public schools have to do with the unconstitutionality of the Pledge? If you're going to say separation of church and state not all private schools are catholic, Lutheran, faith based.
Yeah I get that Honey in terms of separation of church and State but not all private schools are catholic, Lutheran, faith based.
But you can get accused of domestic violence, have the DA and others say there was no evidence of a crime occurring and get six games.
Who says all private schools are shoving Catholicism down the throats of students and teachers? I'm sure the Hebrew Academy here on Miami Beach is not doing that. They are reciting from the Torah. What SCOTUS did was take away prayer of any kind. When I was in public elementary school in the 70s, before 1st period, in homeroom, they announced over the PA, "Now take 30 seconds if you want to pray to the God of your choice". Now...what's wrong with that?
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You also have non religious charter schools, well up here in Indiana we do. I don't know about Florida.
From a US Veteran and a person who has fought for this country. The NFL and the Dolphins has lost a fan. I fought for Americans to have the right to protest. How do you punish people for exorcising their 1st and 5th amendment rights? More importantly, how do brush aside the purpose of the protest? Lives are being lost at the hands of those that abuse their powers. Where is the outrage for that?
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It has everything do with private v. public. The Constitution protects individual rights from GOVERNMENT intrusion.
What about the wife or husband that serve in the armed forces and still have to witness their spouses and family deal with racism, police brutality, and other social injustices. They are fighting for America and still being treated like second class citizens.
It’s POS people like yourself who lack awareness and empathy but are the first to get on your soapbox. GTFOH!!!
Doc, NONE of us can say that we've followed all of the rules to a tee
That’s BS because i see so many fans sitting down and matter factly on their phones, in the bathroom or at the concession stand during the anthem. I’m all for respect and if it’s truly about the flag...THEN EVERYONE NEEDS TO STAND AT ATTENTION, INCLUDING FANS!
