Sanctions on Russia will have widespread consequences for all

[HJCane]

Do not think for a minute that these sanctions will only hurt Russia. No how, no way. These will have global ramifications widespread. Europe as a whole will bear the brunt. A new dynamic and new relationships are being forged amongst the tyrants of the world all eager to see the continued decline of America.

The unintended consequences of all of this will not be good. Mark my words.

 

[Swaggah64]

You are incredibly trivial and unintelligent person.

SO SAD.

 

[doerunn]

You are incredibly trivial and unintelligent person.

SO SAD.

You're a clown read up.

Germany’s Not Laughing Now – Russia Reverses Gas Flow of Key Pipeline Serving Europe​

 

[Swaggah64]

You're a clown read up.

Germany’s Not Laughing Now – Russia Reverses Gas Flow of Key Pipeline Serving Europe​

ZZZzzzzzzzzzz

 

[HJCane]

You are incredibly trivial and unintelligent person.

SO SAD.

Trivial and unintelligent? Please emlighten me on all the positives you fool. You think a disruption like this to a major country has no ripple effect? That's your fu**ing response? I suggest you give it some thought. Lets see if you can use big boy words and explain your position. I bet you can't and won't.

 

[HJCane]

ZZZzzzzzzzzzz

Troll

 

[ddimaggio]

It’s worse than just the immediate effect on the USA , which will be significant

This rush to hobble Russia, destroy their economy and impoverish their people can have two other effects
One would be a disruption of the Russia regime and a removal of Putin
This is doubtful
The more likely outcome is similar to what happened to Germany in the 1920’s and 1930’s
Radical nationalism.
More military actions, building up weapons and army’s and Navy’s
Too much pressure could trigger further escalation on the the type of weapons used

Everyone is predicting that Russians will turn on Putin. Maybe. Starving the Russian population is a risky proposition on my view
Does calling Putin a war criminal, as Brandon did today , get anything accomplished? Does it result in less dead Ukrainians ?
It more likely will result in more bombs being dropped, more rockets launched, more dead Ukrainians. But then again , Brandon is the wizard of the sound bite and PR moves.

 

[KOWBOY88]

The best sanctions would be unleash American energy production.
Have incentives to energy producers to develop and win the pursuit of reliable clean energy.
Allow mining of minerals in North America that are necessary for our supply chain and not being dependent on adversarial governments.

And have a HONEST conversation about the wind solar and electric vehicles that will save the earth.

So I asked honest no party talking points and please read this article first and give me your thoughts . I have to say a lot of information and studies that really changed my thinking.

Mines, Minerals, and "Green" Energy: A Reality Check

Policymakers have made a "green" energy shift a priority in economic recovery, but these visions ignore the dirty process of switching to "green" energy.

www.manhattan-institute.org

 

[HJCane]

It’s worse than just the immediate effect on the USA , which will be significant

This rush to hobble Russia, destroy their economy and impoverish their people can have two other effects
One would be a disruption of the Russia regime and a removal of Putin
This is doubtful
The more likely outcome is similar to what happened to Germany in the 1920’s and 1930’s
Radical nationalism.
More military actions, building up weapons and army’s and Navy’s
Too much pressure could trigger further escalation on the the type of weapons used

Everyone is predicting that Russians will turn on Putin. Maybe. Starving the Russian population is a risky proposition on my view
Does calling Putin a war criminal, as Brandon did today , get anything accomplished? Does it result in less dead Ukrainians ?
It more likely will result in more bombs being dropped, more rockets launched, more dead Ukrainians. But then again , Brandon is the wizard of the sound bite and PR moves.

All I am saying is that there IS ALWAYS unintended consequences. Look at the actions this administration has taken in year 1 and then look at the consequences. Some will not be good...
The Russian people are not like Americans they won't be as hurt as Americans think. It's a fact. They did not grow up like us. They grew up in Communism and a harsh society.

 

[mahb]

You are incredibly trivial and unintelligent person.

SO SAD

You found that Trivial ???? Now THAT is SAD,,,,,,,,, Very Sad

 

[CaneSniper]

We should not even have had to be in a sanction situation. Biden should have stood strong. He should have said you will not harm one hair on a Ukrainian child's head or we will bring the entire power of the US against you and no option is off the table. That's how you talk to a bully. Do we go to nuclear war? Probably not. But you leave every option on the table to make Putin have to consider it. That's what JFK did during the Cuban crisis. He stood strong and Khrushchev backed down. Khrushchev is Putin's hero. Biden could have taken a lesson from history. But Biden said up front there is zero chance of US military intervention. That was an invitation to Putin. And soon to Xi to take Taiwan.

 

[CaneSniper]

If you think these economic sanctions hurt, wait til you see what happens when China invades Taiwan. China controls our cell phone networks and much of our power grid.

 

[KOWBOY88]

If you think these economic sanctions hurt, wait til you see what happens when China invades Taiwan. China controls our cell phone networks and much of our power grid.

And coincidentally Taiwan makes most of our chips and I’m not talking potatoes

 

[mahb]

Very Scary brother ! It's no accident that this is all occurring now.

 

[mahb]

Imho our best chance will come from Ukraine's Strength. If Putin turns back or is pushed out, China will have a huge problem. They do not react well to embarrassment nor defeat, and Shi might even face a vote of no confidence in backing Putin, as China has had and harbors conflict with Russia over the Sino-Russian boarder ( they even had a mini war over it in 1969 ) As Putin weakens I'll be watching if Shi's/ China's relationship with Russia begins to sour, or does he make a quicker push toward Tiawan ( a big Risk as the World would of could of coalesced in defending the current world order, and the world vs China isn't just risky for Shi it could very well cost him his life 🤞 )

 

[Swaggah64]

You found that Trivial ???? Now THAT is SAD,,,,,,,,, Very Sad

You are all hatefut racist pieces of trash.

 

[mahb]

✌️ you don't know me, you probably don't know a person on here. Maybe take a rage class, pick up yoga, but race baiting is hateful and racist. Try taking a good look in the mirror and practice what your preaching✌️

 

[HJCane]

We should not even have had to be in a sanction situation. Biden should have stood strong. He should have said you will not harm one hair on a Ukrainian child's head or we will bring the entire power of the US against you and no option is off the table. That's how you talk to a bully. Do we go to nuclear war? Probably not. But you leave every option on the table to make Putin have to consider it. That's what JFK did during the Cuban crisis. He stood strong and Khrushchev backed down. Khrushchev is Putin's hero. Biden could have taken a lesson from history. But Biden said up front there is zero chance of US military intervention. That was an invitation to Putin. And soon to Xi to take Taiwan.

We aren't bad asses buddy. We don't need to be in WW3. So many mistakes led to where we are today over there. Not just America or Ukraine or Russia but all of Europe. Mistake after mistake that's how you end up in war.
In most simplest terms the economic sanctions WILL have a serious ripple effect. You can not cast that rock into that pond and not have ripples. Europe in particular is screwed. Their reliance on Russia for basic infrastructure like oil and gas has put them in a very precarious position so bad that Germany can not even sanction Russian oil because they depend on it.

 

[HJCane]

You are all hatefut racist pieces of trash.

Swaggah I don't believe this is you. Did you get hacked?
Care to explain WTF you are saying? You just gonna throw out blanket comments?

 

[HJCane]

✌️ you don't know me, you probably don't know a person on here. Maybe take a rage class, pick up yoga, but race baiting is hateful and racist. Try taking a good look in the mirror and practice what your preaching✌️

What is he even saying? What is racist about saying their will be unintended consequences from these economic sanctions? Some people on here...................wtf

 

[HJCane]

The best sanctions would be unleash American energy production.
Have incentives to energy producers to develop and win the pursuit of reliable clean energy.
Allow mining of minerals in North America that are necessary for our supply chain and not being dependent on adversarial governments.

And have a HONEST conversation about the wind solar and electric vehicles that will save the earth.

So I asked honest no party talking points and please read this article first and give me your thoughts . I have to say a lot of information and studies that really changed my thinking.

Mines, Minerals, and "Green" Energy: A Reality Check

Policymakers have made a "green" energy shift a priority in economic recovery, but these visions ignore the dirty process of switching to "green" energy.

www.manhattan-institute.org

Kowboy
1) We know it's not as clean as they think
2) We know we would rely heavily on China for rare earth minerals , EV batteries, solar panels and wind fan panels
3) We know we aren't there yet. Not even close.
4) We know nuclear is very clean source
5) We know we need oil and fossil fuels now and for the forseeable future

 

[miamimike]

Do not think for a minute that these sanctions will only hurt Russia. No how, no way. These will have global ramifications widespread. Europe as a whole will bear the brunt. A new dynamic and new relationships are being forged amongst the tyrants of the world all eager to see the continued decline of America.

The unintended consequences of all of this will not be good. Mark my words.

Our economy is ten times that of Russia's. Even Texas alone, has a larger economy. Putin is the one who should be worrying about consequences!

 

[HJCane]

Our economy is ten times that of Russia's. Even Texas alone, has a larger economy. Putin is the one who should be worrying about consequences!

Ok shallow Mike. Tough guy.

Russia has a mixed economy,[29] with enormous natural resources, particularly oil and natural gas.[30] It is the fifth-largest economy in Europe, the world's eleventh-largest economy by nominal GDP, and the sixth-largest by PPP.

Russia's vast geography is an important determinant of its economic activity, with some sources estimating that the nation contains over 30% of the world's natural resources.[31][32][33] Russia has been widely described as an energy superpower;[34] as it has the world's largest natural gas reserves,[35] the second-largest coal reserves,[36] the eighth-largest oil reserves,[37] and the largest oil shale reserves in Europe.[38] It is the world's leading natural gas exporter,[39] the second-largest natural gas producer,[40] and the second-largest oil exporter,[41] and producer.[42] Russia's foreign exchange reserves are the world's fifth-largest.[43] It has a labour force of roughly 70 million people, which is the world's sixth-largest.[44] Russia's large automotive industry ranks as the world's tenth-largest by production.[45] It has a large and sophisticated arms industry, capable of designing and manufacturing high-tech military equipment, and is the world's second-largest exporter of arms.[46] Russia also has the world's fifth-largest number of billionaires.[47]

Russia is the world's twentieth-largest exporter and importer.[48][49] The oil and gas sector accounted up to roughly 40% of Russia's federal budget revenues, and up to 60% of its exports in 2019.[50] In 2019, the Natural Resources and Environment Ministry estimated the value of natural resources to 60% of the country's GDP.[51] Russia has one of the lowest external debts among major economies,[52] although its inequality of household income and wealth is one of the highest among developed countries.[53]

 

[mahb]

Great post HJ what a shame mikey cant read, expect a Biden is the worlds leading oil producer post roflmao. cant fix stupid just have to get out of it's way

 

[miamimike]

Ok shallow Mike. Tough guy.

Russia has a mixed economy,[29] with enormous natural resources, particularly oil and natural gas.[30] It is the fifth-largest economy in Europe, the world's eleventh-largest economy by nominal GDP, and the sixth-largest by PPP.

Russia's vast geography is an important determinant of its economic activity, with some sources estimating that the nation contains over 30% of the world's natural resources.[31][32][33] Russia has been widely described as an energy superpower;[34] as it has the world's largest natural gas reserves,[35] the second-largest coal reserves,[36] the eighth-largest oil reserves,[37] and the largest oil shale reserves in Europe.[38] It is the world's leading natural gas exporter,[39] the second-largest natural gas producer,[40] and the second-largest oil exporter,[41] and producer.[42] Russia's foreign exchange reserves are the world's fifth-largest.[43] It has a labour force of roughly 70 million people, which is the world's sixth-largest.[44] Russia's large automotive industry ranks as the world's tenth-largest by production.[45] It has a large and sophisticated arms industry, capable of designing and manufacturing high-tech military equipment, and is the world's second-largest exporter of arms.[46] Russia also has the world's fifth-largest number of billionaires.[47]

Russia is the world's twentieth-largest exporter and importer.[48][49] The oil and gas sector accounted up to roughly 40% of Russia's federal budget revenues, and up to 60% of its exports in 2019.[50] In 2019, the Natural Resources and Environment Ministry estimated the value of natural resources to 60% of the country's GDP.[51] Russia has one of the lowest external debts among major economies,[52] although its inequality of household income and wealth is one of the highest among developed countries.[53]

Sounds impressive until you consider that the economy of Texas alone is more than $400 billion larger. Texans enjoy a gross domestic product (GDP) per capita of around $58,000, whereas Russians have one closer to $8,700. Let that sink in!

 

[wake4law_cane4life]

The sanctions will definitely have ripple effects. The leadership in the West has been fairly upfront about that. They have also crippled Russia's economy and it will soon enter a death spiral. Putin was not prepared for this. It is 100% strengthening the United States' medium to long term strategic position.

 

[mahb]

when were these sanctions placed on Russia / Putin ? And by WHEN will these sanctions cripple the Russian Economy causing Putin to Retreat and pull out of Ukraine ? asking for a friend he'd like to square Putin away before The Taiwan rhetoric starts 🥸

 

[wake4law_cane4life]

when were these sanctions placed on Russia / Putin ? And by WHEN will these sanctions cripple the Russian Economy causing Putin to Retreat and pull out of Ukraine ? asking for a friend he'd like to square Putin away before The Taiwan rhetoric starts 🥸

The responsive sanctions were mostly placed in the first few days after the invasion begin. The economy has already been crippled with far worse on the horizon barring changes. I do not think there is any possibility of anything happening that will cause Putin to order a retreat, sanctions included. That is not really their purpose. Crushing their ability to generate a wartime economic machine is a purpose that has already been achieved; the main purpose however is to create extreme domestic/internal pressure on the Kremlin.

 

[central17]

Sounds impressive until you consider that the economy of Texas alone is more than $400 billion larger. Texans enjoy a gross domestic product (GDP) per capita of around $58,000, whereas Russians have one closer to $8,700. Let that sink in!

Mike,
In many ways the comparatively small GDP of Russia is the problem. As long as Putin keeps the lights on and the people fed, there will not be widespread revolts. Russia can do both independent of the rest of the world. And the world will continue to buy energy, raw materials and wheat from Russia in one way or another. I am not aware of any government ever being being overthrown due to lack of availability of luxury handbags or KFC.

 

[wake4law_cane4life]

Mike,
In many ways the comparatively small GDP of Russia is the problem. As long as Putin keeps the lights on and the people fed, there will not be widespread revolts. Russia can do both independent of the rest of the world. And the world will continue to buy energy, raw materials and wheat from Russia in one way or another. I am not aware of any government ever being being overthrown due to lack of availability of luxury handbags or KFC.

This goes far far far beyond no access to luxury handbags or kfc. He will not be able to keep the people fed. There will be mass food shortages. They are facing an economic collapse on a level that few yet understand. It will be catastrophic unless there are intervening events that change the dynamics/get sanctions lifted.

 

[mahb]

^^^^ That is unless the World needs Petroleum and natural gas. That is IF China and Iran doesn't Bank Roll Them buying Goods, Minerals, and Energy.
That is IF China doesn't Establish an Alternative Financial World System.
We are banking on Putin caring about the misery of the Russian People, something that doesn't define a Tyrannic Totalitarian leader. We are depending on CHINA NOT to bank roll Putin, Not to use this to take Taiwan, and Not to Establish it's self in the Worlds Monetary Market, something China has been Building to over the YEARS, as it tries to replaces the USA as the World Leader.
I think to Depend on these Sanctions, and NOT Ukraine to Stop Putin will prove futile. I Hope I am Totally WRONG

 

[wake4law_cane4life]

You underestimate the collective economic power of the western world and overestimate China's capability of propping Russia up. Iran is irrelevant. The only real IF relevant that remains is IF there is no backdown on the russian side. Thats the magic button that could stop the sequence of economic events that will unfold. Otherwise the ship has sailed. They're toast.

 

[mahb]

Hope your right. I know the "WEST" has been killing each other at a shot and to stay connected to The China Market, not to mention all the dependency's "The West" has built with China already. Need any medications, have any debt ? as an example.

 

[central17]

This goes far far far beyond no access to luxury handbags or kfc. He will not be able to keep the people fed. There will be mass food shortages. They are facing an economic collapse on a level that few yet understand. It will be catastrophic unless there are intervening events that change the dynamics/get sanctions lifted.

Keep on believing that. Or you could actually do some research and learn facts: Below is an example of many google pages to the subject of Russian food self sufficiency.
https://ihsmarkit.com/research-analysis/russian-food-selfsufficiency-programme-is-succeeding.html

Yes, some oligarghs will not be able to get their choice of French Bordeaux's and the peasants will not have KFC. But will there be mass food shortages for staples in Russia, NYET. The greater danger is if Russian grain exports (that means they produce more than they use) decline, other parts of the world will be in danger of famine. And the hidden time bomb is fertilizer. Much of the world's fertilizer comes from Russia. A key ingredient is OIL. You know that nasty stuff that Biden and the Green Weenies want to get rid of. So what is going to happen when countries have their food harvests greatly reduced by lack of fertilizer? Put up Chinese made solar panels? No less needing fuel to drive a tractor.

 

[wake4law_cane4life]

Keep on believing that. Or you could actually do some research and learn facts: Below is an example of many google pages to the subject of Russian food self sufficiency.
https://ihsmarkit.com/research-analysis/russian-food-selfsufficiency-programme-is-succeeding.html

Yes, some oligarghs will not be able to get their choice of French Bordeaux's and the peasants will not have KFC. But will there be mass food shortages for staples in Russia, NYET. The greater danger is if Russian grain exports (that means they produce more than they use) decline, other parts of the world will be in danger of famine. And the hidden time bomb is fertilizer. Much of the world's fertilizer comes from Russia. A key ingredient is OIL. You know that nasty stuff that Biden and the Green Weenies want to get rid of. So what is going to happen when countries have their food harvests greatly reduced by lack of fertilizer? Put up Chinese made solar panels? No less needing fuel to drive a tractor.

To be clear I am not guessing or shooting from the hip. What is amusing is that the same blindspots that are on display in your post that lead you to read that article and think that it demonstrates food self sufficiency are the blindspots russia had into thinking the same. The collective response systematically exploit these blindspots and thats why they are wrecking things at a speed and magnitude almost no one envisioned was possible. I'll give you a hint here...there's a word that you do not see mentioned anywhere in that article... "seeds". The Kremlin, much like you are seeing from its military efforts to capture ukraine, is not great at executing comprehensive strategies that depend on tons of moving parts all working well and can implode based on one weak link. When it comes to food self sufficiency that weak link it hasn't prioritized ever is seeds. Russia relies on seed imports for nearly half of all their annual agricultural output. For the critical staple crop potato, a crop historically emphasized to get through food shortage periods, they are at about 90% imported.

Keep in mind...this is not an example that I handpicked because it helps me prove my point...this is the example YOU picked that had this answer already at work in the economic assault we've been waging against them. In other words, this is a drop in the bucket of the detailed and systematic unraveling of the economy that putin uses to maintain power in russia. So I'll say again to be clear- the Russian economy is in GRAVE danger- the unraveling is already underway and as damage accumulates it will cross its stress tolerance threshold and then begin a fairly rapid spiral out of control of cascading failures.

 

[central17]

To be clear I am not guessing or shooting from the hip. What is amusing is that the same blindspots that are on display in your post that lead you to read that article and think that it demonstrates food self sufficiency are the blindspots russia had into thinking the same. The collective response systematically exploit these blindspots and thats why they are wrecking things at a speed and magnitude almost no one envisioned was possible. I'll give you a hint here...there's a word that you do not see mentioned anywhere in that article... "seeds". The Kremlin, much like you are seeing from its military efforts to capture ukraine, is not great at executing comprehensive strategies that depend on tons of moving parts all working well and can implode based on one weak link. When it comes to food self sufficiency that weak link it hasn't prioritized ever is seeds. Russia relies on seed imports for nearly half of all their annual agricultural output. For the critical staple crop potato, a crop historically emphasized to get through food shortage periods, they are at about 90% imported.

Keep in mind...this is not an example that I handpicked because it helps me prove my point...this is the example YOU picked that had this answer already at work in the economic assault we've been waging against them. In other words, this is a drop in the bucket of the detailed and systematic unraveling of the economy that putin uses to maintain power in russia. So I'll say again to be clear- the Russian economy is in GRAVE danger- the unraveling is already underway and as damage accumulates it will cross its stress tolerance threshold and then begin a fairly rapid spiral out of control of cascading failures.

So basically you are saying that wake-law on Canes Sport is a more credible source than numerous published articles from many international sources. Wow, so nice of your to grace us with your non sourced or substantiated opinions.

 

[wake4law_cane4life]

Yes

So basically you are saying that wake-law on Canes Sport is a more credible source than numerous published articles from many international sources. Wow, so nice of your to grace us with your non sourced or substantiated opinions.

I am saying that I better understand the details of sanctions established one month ago than a credible source assessing the state of russian economics made 2 years ago and with an unstated assumption of not being a global pariah and at war.

 

[wake4law_cane4life]

Hope your right. I know the "WEST" has been killing each other at a shot and to stay connected to The China Market, not to mention all the dependency's "The West" has built with China already. Need any medications, have any debt ? as an example.

That's actually precisely why I am right and why it should not be too hard for people to imagine that we have the capacity to take a wrecking ball to Russia's economy. We already have been crowing about needing to wake up to the threat that china could do the same to us one day if we don't get wise.

PS- the days of our need to pay attention to that threat ourselves being a fringe political talking point are over. There is going to be bipartisan will for a systematic and continued effort to harden our economy against this kind of leverage or even natural disaster type created chokepoints

 

[HJCane]

The responsive sanctions were mostly placed in the first few days after the invasion begin. The economy has already been crippled with far worse on the horizon barring changes. I do not think there is any possibility of anything happening that will cause Putin to order a retreat, sanctions included. That is not really their purpose. Crushing their ability to generate a wartime economic machine is a purpose that has already been achieved; the main purpose however is to create extreme domestic/internal pressure on the Kremlin.

We've had sanctions on Russia long before his invasion. Trump leveled sanctions. If you think Putin didn't know what was coming you are incorrect. He doesn't care. The mentality of Russian leaders is not the same as the West. They know much harder times and do not care.

 

[ddimaggio]

I really think that this misses the point
We don’t know how badly the Russian economy will be hit or whether they begin to starve
But is that the goal ?
Widespread famine ?
People rioting in the streets?
I doubt it will come to that . I agree that they can feed themselves. It’s a relatively small population and a vast country
But ...
Paris is a nice town , about 15 minutes away from a hyper sonic rocket based Nuke which would flatten it . 10 minutes with Berlin . Warsaw ? 5 minutes.

You back a bear into a corner, they don’t surrender. We should be hoping that the sanctions inflict enough pain to trigger meaningful negotiations. We should not be cheering a total destruction of the Russian state and economy. We should act like diplomats not children calling the other side War Criminals , which has absolutely no impact other than to enrage an already angry opponent

As to China , that’s empty rhetoric
We can’t sanction them
We could possibly place huge tariffs on their imports . Want to pay $10 per KN95 masks ?
You ever take penicillin?

If they want Taiwan, they take Taiwan
We don’t actually have any agreement to protect that entity with direct military assistance
Taiwan is not a member of the UN . It’s not acknowledged as a country by us.
Taiwan has about 24 million inhabitants
China has 1,5 billion
China can field an army of about 3 million strong without blinking
China has virtually unlimited financial resources as they have been bilking us for decades . Only Trump mentioned this and tried to deal with it
The ROC was founded by a general who left the mainland 70 years ago . The people there are ethnic Chinese, they speak Chinese, they were part of China on and off for centuries
Hopefully we deal with that situation better than we dealt with Ukraine. We are not getting into a war with China, period . Even without Nukes involved, we lost . Badly . Are we going to institute a draft and build a 4 million person army ?
Absurd and the Chinese know it