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Tough day for Trump and his band of corrupt criminals....All roads lead to Russia...

I actually think this is stupid. Congress gave military aid and Trump tried to stop it until he got a promise of a public investigation of his political rival. The evidence points to these facts. I actually am considering a brief moratorium on posting here in the lounge for awhile. It's probably better because of the disdain I have for people that fight to defend this racist asshole. I have absolutely no respect for it and it is only going to end in something bad happening.

Correct, Trump gave military aid, Obum sht his pants

..and don't forget this one:
Trump was concerned about corruption, Obum regime was part of the corruption

Clown
 
And Nixon met with Khrushchev and Reagan met with the evil empire in Reykjavik etc. This is how diplomacy is done. You work with leaders to make deals that are often imperfect, but benefit both sides.
And Trump has met with Putin, Xi, Kim, Erdogan... great point
 
And Nixon met with Khrushchev and Reagan met with the evil empire in Reykjavik etc. This is how diplomacy is done. You work with leaders to make deals that are often imperfect, but benefit both sides.

except for when trump does it, right? It’s one thing to meet with foreign leaders, it’s another thing to gift a terrorist sponsorship nation twenty billion in unmarked cash so that it can’t be traced. Imagine if for one second trump even thought about gifting russia 20 mill in any form of currency let alone 20 bill in unmarked cash.
 
except for when trump does it, right? It’s one thing to meet with foreign leaders, it’s another thing to gift a terrorist sponsorship nation twenty billion in unmarked cash so that it can’t be traced. Imagine if for one second trump even thought about gifting russia 20 mill in any form of currency let alone 20 bill in unmarked cash.

The difference between these previous leaders and Trump is that the latter doesn't care about the country. He is simply using the Presidency to advance his own personal interests, which has been demonstrated over and over again over the past 3 years from the emoluments cases because he refused to divest himself from his assets to having US Air Force crews stay at his properties overseas to attempting to extort a foreign leader in order to investigate his own domestic political opponents. He's a craven, venal, and rampantly amoral person, which is why he has spent his entire Presidency under so much scrutiny.
 
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Wow, this is stupid, even for you Lemming. Did you read this before you posted?

Trump gave military aid, Obum sht his pants

Trump was concerned about corruption, Obum regime was part of the corruption

Thanks for the morning laugh Lemming
Trump is the definition of corruption!
 
I actually think this is stupid. Congress gave military aid and Trump tried to stop it until he got a promise of a public investigation of his political rival. The evidence points to these facts. I actually am considering a brief moratorium on posting here in the lounge for awhile. It's probably better because of the disdain I have for people that fight to defend this racist asshole. I have absolutely no respect for it and it is only going to end in something bad happening.
Take this with you on the way out you racist pos. Your daddy, showing us how he gives it up for his community lol.

:https://www.foxnews.com/us/al-sharpton-gets-1m-in-pay-from-his-own-charity
 
Obtuse logic....perhaps you should learn why she was asked to testify before you post this.
Emphasis on how Russia benefited

Yovanovitch — with the aid of some of the Democrats questioning her — significantly expounded on her view that Russia stood to be the biggest beneficiary of the Trump administration’s dealings in Ukraine.

“We see the potential in Ukraine. Russia, by contrast, sees the risk,” she said. “Ukraine is a battleground for great power competition, with a hot war for the control of territory and a hybrid war to control Ukraine’s leadership.”

The potential benefit to Russia is two-fold, she explained. Withholding security assistance, she said, painted a picture to Moscow that the U.S. may not be the staunch ally of Russia’s vulnerable neighbor it has signaled it would be. And at the same time, she said, allowing corruption to fester in Ukraine — including empowering officials there to get the White House to remove an ambassador (as happened with her) — also makes the nation vulnerable to Russian influence.

“Corruption is also a security issue, because corrupt officials are vulnerable to Moscow. In short, it is in America’s national security interest to help Ukraine transform into a country where the rule of law governs and corruption is held in check,” she said, before directly fingering Vladimir Putin as a beneficiary of the administration’s actions in Ukraine.
Hard to believe a word of her testimony after she got caught in a lie about her knowledge of Hunter Biden. You know what else made Ukraine vulnerable to Russian influence? Your coward in chief hero that refused to send Ukraine weapons to defend itself when Russia invaded them, despite the pleas from his advisers and ambassadors to do so. What is the over/under for how many times Obama pissed his pants while dealing with Putin?
 
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The difference between these previous leaders and Trump is that the latter doesn't care about the country. He is simply using the Presidency to advance his own personal interests, which has been demonstrated over and over again over the past 3 years from the emoluments cases because he refused to divest himself from his assets to having US Air Force crews stay at his properties overseas to attempting to extort a foreign leader in order to investigate his own domestic political opponents. He's a craven, venal, and rampantly amoral person, which is why he has spent his entire Presidency under so much scrutiny.

lol, obama came out of the white house with literally over twenty times the wealth that he went in with while trump has consistently lost money ever since he started running.

btw, do you’re self a favor and do what the dnc clearly didn’t do when alleging the same thing you are and read the transcript. At zero point what so ever does the pres even allude to a quid pro quo. You’re boys truly just made it up out of thin air. In fact the actual resources that trump was allegedly holding over ukrain for a quid pro Quo was in fact commited to them so again, it’s 100% bs. Now biden on the other hand got caught red handed on camera bragging about getting the ukranian official fired that was investigating his son.
 
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lol, obama came out of the white house with literally over twenty times the wealth that he went in with while trump has consistently lost money ever since he started running.

He wrote a couple of books before becoming President that made him 75% of his money. Nothing unethical about writing a book.

Trump on the other hand, refused to divest from his actual properties and used the Presidency to not only make money for himself, but also astonishingly used it to enrich his own kids (see Ivanka and her Chinese trademarks). Once foreign government's realized that Trump was venal and corrupt, they immediately began to curry favor with him by staying at his properties and helping his friends and family members out. That's pure corruption.
 
And Nixon met with Khrushchev and Reagan met with the evil empire in Reykjavik etc. This is how diplomacy is done. You work with leaders to make deals that are often imperfect, but benefit both sides.

So do you support Trump meeting with North Korea and Russia ?
 
So do you support Trump meeting with North Korea and Russia ?

If it's based on actually doing something beyond a photo-op then yes. He has met with Kim twice and not actually accomplished anything other than proving he can meet with him to take a few pictures.
 
Trump is the definition of corruption!
He knows this and honestly doesn't care. The evidence doesn't lie. Career service people are lining up to provide the evidence. This person is a corrupt POS and I consider the people that defend him the disease. He is only the symptom of the disease, just like Obama said.
 
The latest has Roger Stone becoming the 6th Trump associate convicted under the Mueller Probe as part of the Russia investigation. He lied to Congress and witness tampering in relation to his work on Trump's 2016 campaign.
Micheal Cohen, Trump's former personal lawyer, was sentenced in December 2018 to 3 yrs of prison for lying to Congress, campaign spending violations and tax evasion. He also received an additional 2 months of prison time for lying to Congress about a Moscow Trump tower deal.
George Papadopoulos, a former Trump foreign policy advisor, was sentenced in September 2018 to 14 days in prison (with a year of supervised release) after pleading guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russian intermediaries during the 2016 campaign. In October of this year, he filed to run for Katie Hill's vacant California Congressional seat.
Paul Manafort, Trump's former campaign manager, was found guilty by a Virginia court of tax & bank fraud in August 2018, and in Nov 2018 voided his plea deal (by lying to investigators) in separate federal charges brought by Mueller; he is currently serving a combined 7 & a 1/2 yrs in prison for both cases.
Rick Gates, a former deputy for Manafort during the Trump campaign, pleaded guilty in Feb 2018 to charges of conspiracy against the US & making false statements.
Micheal Flynn, Trump's former National security advisor, pleaded guilty in Dec 2017 to lying to the FBI but nearly 2 yrs later has yet to be sentenced; his sentencing has been scheduled for early December.
The doors, avenues are closing quickly. Mueller ended up convicting or indicting 34 people.
 
He wrote a couple of books before becoming President that made him 75% of his money. Nothing unethical about writing a book.

Trump on the other hand, refused to divest from his actual properties and used the Presidency to not only make money for himself, but also astonishingly used it to enrich his own kids (see Ivanka and her Chinese trademarks). Once foreign government's realized that Trump was venal and corrupt, they immediately began to curry favor with him by staying at his properties and helping his friends and family members out. That's pure corruption.

if you truly believe this than you probably believe that hillary was just writing about her grand kids in her emails that were acid washed (total obstruction), she didn’t lie under oath, bill was just talking about golf on the secret teramak meeting that no one was suppose to know about, nancy is innocent of insider trading, there was no quid pro quo with joe b involving another country, hunter was qualified for his position with his company in Ukraine, obama didn’t contribute half a mill of tax payer dollars to a political opponent of our ally in the Israel election, chelsie clinton was an expert in what ever she was getting paid a fortune to be an expert in that she had zero expertise in because she has no expertise for with her lectures, obama didn’t spy on trump for political purposes involving a foreign country during an election, there was never a crisis at the border, the anti semites on the left that are trying to boycot Israel and trying to compromise with iran (a nation that is very verbal about wanting blow israel off the map and have a contest every year celebrating their best cartoonist depiction of the holocaust), aren’t totally opposed to saudi arabia working hand in hand with Israel (a major achievement in the middle east) aren’t anti semites, aoc is smart, obama’s life long preacher wasn’t preaching racist anti white hate, obama didn’t envite the muslim brotherhood into the white house knowing they were a major hezbola sponser, obama didn’t gift iran 20 billion in unmarked untraceable cash and say thank you for giving our kidnapped soldiers back even after he deemed their nation the number one state sponser in terrorism or terror as he liked to put it, was tough on putin when he invaded crimia, punished syria for chemical war fair on their own ppl after he told them not too, kept little kim from advancing bombs of mass destruction, the left isn’t ultimately preaching open boarders, schiffty schiff hasn’t lied, the left media didn’t give all the questions to hillary before her debate, bill c is innocent of sexual harassment, the left is and has been completely innocent of class war fair propaganda further dividing the country, Obama was never into cocain, the white house/irs under obama didn’t target republican donors, the fast and furious scandal never happened (i know fox fake news right?), the bengazy tragedy on 911 was just a coincident and bump in the road and not islamic extremist terrorism, palocy didn’t start the impeachment inquiry before reading the transcripts, the city of Chicago as a whole is on the up and up (no segregation or corruption from all the dem leaders there including obama the fund raiser that’s a career politician), your dem leaders aren’t trying to pass laws on late term abortions and have tax payers pay for it, aren’t against the electoral college, aren’t trying to do away with free speech and the right to bear arm (the constitution), so on and so fourth.

My personal favorite of them all, that everything going to shit under obama which happened instantaneously was bush’s fault and that the booming economy that took place instantaneously when trump was elected and turned course immediately is all because of obama and in spite of our current prez.

not even joking, everything I just laid out for you is you’re commie left wing extremist liberal propaganda branch talking points.

you have an agenda and it’s a clear one so why don’t you just come out with it? It’s so sad that you anti semite commies would rather see our economy collapse and us go to war than see our current pres be successful. Even if it means putting ppl in power that are clearly guilty of all the things you accuse the right of. You’re end justifies the means excuses are thank god falling on deaf ears with the majority of electoral voters.

if and it’s a huge IF trump gets impeached you better believe his donations go through the roof and his voters get even more energized than the last time.
 
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This is why they brought rape enabler Gym Jordan and that frumpy looking woman (Stefanik) in there - to generate sounbytes for right wing media to amplify, that had nothing to do with the actual substance of the hearing. Nunes is a bit too boring to get the job done in this regard.

Raoul since your giving your opinion on women’s looks. Describe congresswomen Ms. Sewell looks.
 
I'll consider it when Sewell engages in the level of deceit as Stefanik has.

Speaking of lies, why did the ambassador lady lie about knowing anything about Hunter Biden? You would think she would have remembered being briefed about him by the Obama administration to the point of being coached about possible questions and answers to any inquiries about him. Maybe it just slipped her mind. Glad that there are real Americans like Stefanik to remind her and the American people of the truth.
 
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In the words of the great Nancy Pelosi.

This was a complete bloodbath today.....OMG.

After listening today and what happened to Trumps pal Roger Stone, I am thinking he will probably be removed from office unceremoniously.

He is doing a lot of stuff tied to Russia and Russian Oligarchs.

The road map is in the taxes.

This guy is a hot mess....and you cats defending him should be embarassed.

But......the evidence in the trial indicated Trump was aware of Wiki Leaks and their distribution schedule of DNC emails. You obviously didn't know that. More fallout from Fox Fake News.

Fake News!!!

Did you see that right wing Counsel questioning Yovanovitch? That guy struggled big time. Didn't land any blows. What a waste of money. I would have preferred Jim Jordan screaming his nonsense.

LMAO IKR....at least he has some entertainment value.

This is why they brought rape enabler Gym Jordan and that frumpy looking woman (Stefanik) in there - to generate sounbytes for right wing media to amplify, that had nothing to do with the actual substance of the hearing. Nunes is a bit too boring to get the job done in this regard.

These people are an embarrassment to their constituents. What's more embarrassing is these right wing nutjobs have the gall to post their antics on this site.

Care to bet Trump is not impeached?

Bro, seriously, you're wrong. He was found guilty on 7 counts. One of those counts dealt with him lying to Congress about not being a conduit between Wiki Leaks and Trump. They had texts/phone records showing Stone communicating with Wiki Leaks and alerting Trump about the timing of email dumps.

You continue to post lies or maybe you just don't know the facts. I'm willing to work with you to educate you on the facts right wing news outlets refuse to give you. I'm here to help.

I'll take that as your refusal to take on my bet. Trump will be the 3rd US president impeached.

He definitely had his faults but nothing on Trumpian levels. This guy is a threat to national security.


The last bit is false. The previous administration actually set in motion the plan that Trump inherited to defeat ISIS. By the time Trump took over and got Mattis into the job - ISIS were already on the ropes.

Wrong again. ISIS has its roots in Al-Qaeda in Iraq, who in turn are an offshoot of Al-Qaeda. It doesn't take much cranial capacity to acknowledge this virus predated Obama and even Dubya and Bill Clinton.

You're 0 for 2. Let's see if you can avoid striking out.

I just explained to you that they are a part of the same organization that metastasized multiple times. It's not rocket science.

The GOP bootlickers were apparently not pleased by the fecklessness of their interviewer. Dan Goldman did a much better job for the Dems.

When the facts are not on your side that's what you get. As you stated, a feckless interviewer.

Obtuse logic....perhaps you should learn why she was asked to testify before you post this.
Emphasis on how Russia benefited

Yovanovitch — with the aid of some of the Democrats questioning her — significantly expounded on her view that Russia stood to be the biggest beneficiary of the Trump administration’s dealings in Ukraine.

“We see the potential in Ukraine. Russia, by contrast, sees the risk,” she said. “Ukraine is a battleground for great power competition, with a hot war for the control of territory and a hybrid war to control Ukraine’s leadership.”

The potential benefit to Russia is two-fold, she explained. Withholding security assistance, she said, painted a picture to Moscow that the U.S. may not be the staunch ally of Russia’s vulnerable neighbor it has signaled it would be. And at the same time, she said, allowing corruption to fester in Ukraine — including empowering officials there to get the White House to remove an ambassador (as happened with her) — also makes the nation vulnerable to Russian influence.

“Corruption is also a security issue, because corrupt officials are vulnerable to Moscow. In short, it is in America’s national security interest to help Ukraine transform into a country where the rule of law governs and corruption is held in check,” she said, before directly fingering Vladimir Putin as a beneficiary of the administration’s actions in Ukraine.

One thing is for sure. Putin has benefited tremendously from Trump being in the White House. In ordinary administrations, we were pretty proactive about promoting Democracy in developing countries, which is something Putin hated since democracy in any neighboring countries tends to destabilize his authoritarian grip on power with his own population.

Putin has also benefited from Trump turning tail in Syria, and has now actually moved into military bases that we built.



So all things said, Trump has tacitly promoted Putin's strength by taking actions that Putin would want. Even the sale of Javelins, which are talked up a lot, were done after Trump had to be convinced into giving them to the Ukrainians.

I actually think this is stupid. Congress gave military aid and Trump tried to stop it until he got a promise of a public investigation of his political rival. The evidence points to these facts. I actually am considering a brief moratorium on posting here in the lounge for awhile. It's probably better because of the disdain I have for people that fight to defend this racist asshole. I have absolutely no respect for it and it is only going to end in something bad happening.

And Nixon met with Khrushchev and Reagan met with the evil empire in Reykjavik etc. This is how diplomacy is done. You work with leaders to make deals that are often imperfect, but benefit both sides.

The difference between these previous leaders and Trump is that the latter doesn't care about the country. He is simply using the Presidency to advance his own personal interests, which has been demonstrated over and over again over the past 3 years from the emoluments cases because he refused to divest himself from his assets to having US Air Force crews stay at his properties overseas to attempting to extort a foreign leader in order to investigate his own domestic political opponents. He's a craven, venal, and rampantly amoral person, which is why he has spent his entire Presidency under so much scrutiny.

Trump is the definition of corruption!

He wrote a couple of books before becoming President that made him 75% of his money. Nothing unethical about writing a book.

Trump on the other hand, refused to divest from his actual properties and used the Presidency to not only make money for himself, but also astonishingly used it to enrich his own kids (see Ivanka and her Chinese trademarks). Once foreign government's realized that Trump was venal and corrupt, they immediately began to curry favor with him by staying at his properties and helping his friends and family members out. That's pure corruption.

If it's based on actually doing something beyond a photo-op then yes. He has met with Kim twice and not actually accomplished anything other than proving he can meet with him to take a few pictures.

He knows this and honestly doesn't care. The evidence doesn't lie. Career service people are lining up to provide the evidence. This person is a corrupt POS and I consider the people that defend him the disease. He is only the symptom of the disease, just like Obama said.

Please make your point without the name calling. I'm about to cut crap like this out of threads.

I'll consider it when Sewell engages in the level of deceit as Stefanik has.


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