Ukraine

[Allied2651]

Dem dummies are going to get us into a Police action, war...with Russia.
Idiot Harris says that we should support their sovereignty?
Ok, personally, I don't give a rats ass about Ukraine. They need to pay for their allegiance with the Nazi's. At the same time, Russia's aggression needs to be capped. Mixed feelings on this current issue. Comments?

 

[ddimaggio]

I’m with Tucker Carlson on this
And not in line with many Republicans

We have no business being involved
Putin has legitimate concerns
Would we want Russia to have weapons In Mexico?
The original Rus people from Kiev are the forebears of both Ukrainians and Russians.
They Ukrainian church was part of the Russian church until 4 years ago .
The Donbass region is mostly Russian
Crimea is 80% Russian, that’s why there was no pushback from the population when Russia annexed them.
We are playing a dangerous game . Do we want to cripple the Russian state ? Corner them ? Make them suffer ? Do we want to insist that Ukraine can join NATO and point rockets at Russia? What if Russia says you do that we will send in the MIGS and destroy any rocket sites .
What National interest is being served ?
Putin is a bad dude . But he is very predictable. He has given his red line . He’s got 4,000 Nukes. Do you starve a country and make them suffer when they have the ability to push a button and destroy the world ?

 

[Allied2651]

I’m with Tucker Carlson on this
And not in line with many Republicans

We have no business being involved
Putin has legitimate concerns
Would we want Russia to have weapons In Mexico?
The original Rus people from Kiev are the forebears of both Ukrainians and Russians.
They Ukrainian church was part of the Russian church until 4 years ago .
The Donbass region is mostly Russian
Crimea is 80% Russian, that’s why there was no pushback from the population when Russia annexed them.
We are playing a dangerous game . Do we want to cripple the Russian state ? Corner them ? Make them suffer ? Do we want to insist that Ukraine can join NATO and point rockets at Russia? What if Russia says you do that we will send in the MIGS and destroy any rocket sites .
What National interest is being served ?
Putin is a bad dude . But he is very predictable. He has given his red line . He’s got 4,000 Nukes. Do you starve a country and make them suffer when they have the ability to push a button and destroy the world ?

Leaning towards that we need to stay out. Pissed that the Ukrainian SS were killers and should have paid a very, very heavy price. Putting past history aside, no national interest at this time. Agreed

 

[Raoul2]

I’m with Tucker Carlson on this
And not in line with many Republicans

We have no business being involved
Putin has legitimate concerns
Would we want Russia to have weapons In Mexico?
The original Rus people from Kiev are the forebears of both Ukrainians and Russians.
They Ukrainian church was part of the Russian church until 4 years ago .
The Donbass region is mostly Russian
Crimea is 80% Russian, that’s why there was no pushback from the population when Russia annexed them.
We are playing a dangerous game . Do we want to cripple the Russian state ? Corner them ? Make them suffer ? Do we want to insist that Ukraine can join NATO and point rockets at Russia? What if Russia says you do that we will send in the MIGS and destroy any rocket sites .
What National interest is being served ?
Putin is a bad dude . But he is very predictable. He has given his red line . He’s got 4,000 Nukes. Do you starve a country and make them suffer when they have the ability to push a button and destroy the world ?

This is the Russian propaganda narrative, which Tucker appears all too cozy with.

Putin doesn't want democracy getting close to Russia because he fears it will empower pro-democracy movements within Russia to overthrow him, leading to his death - Qaddafi style.

Putin is basically the jilted ex-lover attempting to coerce his ex into not dating anyone they don't approve of - or else face violent consequences. He has no business telling a free nation who they can or can't associate with.

Ask yourself, what would Reagan do ? He would come down hard on the Russians and in favor of freedom.

 

[central17]

This is the Russian propaganda narrative, which Tucker appears all too cozy with.

Putin doesn't want democracy getting close to Russia because he fears it will empower pro-democracy movements within Russia and overthrow him, leading to his death - Qaddafi style.

He has no business telling a free nation who they can or can't associate with. Putin is basically the jilted ex-lover attempting to coerce his ex into not dating anyone they don't approve of - or else face violent consequences.

Ask yourself, what would Reagan do ? He would come down hard on the Russians and in favor of freedom.

The problem is the question we are faced with is "what will Biden do?" We've seen his act on borders - it is not a good show.

 

[grbcane]

This is the Russian propaganda narrative, which Tucker appears all too cozy with.

Putin doesn't want democracy getting close to Russia because he fears it will empower pro-democracy movements within Russia to overthrow him, leading to his death - Qaddafi style.

Putin is basically the jilted ex-lover attempting to coerce his ex into not dating anyone they don't approve of - or else face violent consequences. He has no business telling a free nation who they can or can't associate with.

Ask yourself, what would Reagan do ? He would come down hard on the Russians and in favor of freedom.

It was a different era, Russia isn’t anywhere near the threat of China. If we go up against Russia on this, we’ll be bringing Russia and China together. That’s hardly in our best interest.

 

[Raoul2]

It was a different era, Russia isn’t anywhere near the threat of China. If we go up against Russia on this, we’ll be bringing Russia and China together. That’s hardly in our best interest.

Sure they are. They are literally about to start a war by invading a nation in eastern Europe. China, despite all its actions in recent years, has not done anything remotely as provocative. Now I'm not saying we should go to war with Russia, but we should take a tough stand against them since we know from 2014, that Putin is going to take as much as the west allows him to.

 

[grbcane]

Sure they are. They are literally about to start a war by invading a nation in eastern Europe. China, despite all its actions in recent years, has not done anything remotely as provocative. Now I'm not saying we should go to war with Russia, but we should take a tough stand against them since we know from 2014, that Putin is going to take as much as the west allows him to.

I can’t agree with anything you said, except for we shouldn’t go to war, and Putin will do what he thinks he can get away with. We need to avoid getting deeply involved at all cost.

 

[grbcane]

Sure they are. They are literally about to start a war by invading a nation in eastern Europe. China, despite all its actions in recent years, has not done anything remotely as provocative. Now I'm not saying we should go to war with Russia, but we should take a tough stand against them since we know from 2014, that Putin is going to take as much as the west allows him to.

Many Republicans unfortunately are all too eager to get involved in a situation like this.

 

[801canesmxer]

This is the Russian propaganda narrative, which Tucker appears all too cozy with.

Putin doesn't want democracy getting close to Russia because he fears it will empower pro-democracy movements within Russia to overthrow him, leading to his death - Qaddafi style.

Putin is basically the jilted ex-lover attempting to coerce his ex into not dating anyone they don't approve of - or else face violent consequences. He has no business telling a free nation who they can or can't associate with.

Ask yourself, what would Reagan do ? He would come down hard on the Russians and in favor of freedom.

The 1980's called and want their foreign policy back? Lol.

 

[Raoul2]

The 1980's called and want their foreign policy back? Lol.

Right and wrong don't change. What was right in 1942 was right in 1982 and continues to be right in 2022.

Just substitute the word liberal with modern Republicans and this is spot on.

 

[801canesmxer]

Right and wrong don't change. What was right in 1942 was right in 1982 and continues to be right in 2022.

Just having fun with your Reagan comment and tying it to Barack. The only thing that matters now is how Joey will handle things if Russia invades Ukraine.

 

[ddimaggio]

Sure they are. They are literally about to start a war by invading a nation in eastern Europe. China, despite all its actions in recent years, has not done anything remotely as provocative. Now I'm not saying we should go to war with Russia, but we should take a tough stand against them since we know from 2014, that Putin is going to take as much as the west allows him to.

We didn’t allow the Russians to put Nukes in Cuba , 90 miles away from the USA . Why would Putin allow NATO to put Nukes 90 miles away from them ? They aren’t our enemy. They are a weak economy. They are not invading their biggest customer, Germany.
It’s a European Union problem.
Oh and Putin actually did win elections. He’s democratically elected.
China is the real enemy. They are 4 times our size and are focused on world wide domination.

 

[thedonaldWYO]

Ask yourself, what would Reagan do ? He would come down hard on the Russians and in favor of freedom.

Raoul- We are dealing with Pudding Brain not Reagan here. Amazing how Camel Toe and Psaki have to come out today to try and fix the buffoon’s so called press conference yesterday. Absolutely embarrassing across the globe on all levels.

Hopefully the movie Red Dawn does not come to fruition here on our soil….

 

[Raoul2]

We didn’t allow the Russians to put Nukes in Cuba , 90 miles away from the USA . Why would Putin allow NATO to put Nukes 90 miles away from them ? They aren’t our enemy. They are a weak economy. They are not invading their biggest customer, Germany.
It’s a European Union problem.
Oh and Putin actually did win elections. He’s democratically elected.
China is the real enemy. They are 4 times our size and are focused on world wide domination.

Yeah but we are the USA and they are Russia. I'm confused as to why anyone would take the side of our adversaries in any of this. It is after all freedom vs dictatorship, just as it was during the cold war. The only thing that has changed is that we now have a corrupt dictator instead of communist politburo members running the show. They are still two peas from the same pod.

 

[thedonaldWYO]

Sure they are. They are literally about to start a war by invading a nation in eastern Europe. China, despite all its actions in recent years, has not done anything remotely as provocative. Now I'm not saying we should go to war with Russia, but we should take a tough stand against them since we know from 2014, that Putin is going to take as much as the west allows him to.

Ironic how we did not have to talk about this under DJT. Now it concerns you.

 

[Raoul2]

Ironic how we did not have to talk about this under DJT. Now it concerns you.

We didn't have to talk about it under Trump because he turned a blind eye to anything Putin did, which is precisely why Vlad conducted an operation to help him get into power in the first place.

 

[ZEKEMUG]

We didn't have to talk about it under Trump because he turned a blind eye to anything Putin did, which is precisely why Vlad conducted an operation to help him get into power in the first place.

News Flash, Russian Collusion fairy tale was paid for by Clinton campaign.

 

[Raoul2]

News Flash, Russian Collusion fairy tale was paid for by Clinton campaign.

Russian interference in our 2016 elections has been proven many times over. Read the DOJ report in my previous post.

 

[ZEKEMUG]

Russian interference in our 2016 elections has been proven many times over. Read the DOJ report in my previous post.

Started to read DOJ report on internet same old story and players Carter Page, George Papadoloulos, Joseph Mifsud none of it has Trump campaign colluding with the Russians. Looked more like a setup to me. Now can you answer how and why the Clinton campaign financed the Steele dossier and the rest of the hoax that was carried out thru the Mueller investigation. Since we’re on Ukraine Joe Biden during campaign said the Hunter laptop was Russian disinformation which now has been proven to be Hunter’s laptop. Please explain

 

[Allied2651]

This is the Russian propaganda narrative, which Tucker appears all too cozy with.

Putin doesn't want democracy getting close to Russia because he fears it will empower pro-democracy movements within Russia to overthrow him, leading to his death - Qaddafi style.

Putin is basically the jilted ex-lover attempting to coerce his ex into not dating anyone they don't approve of - or else face violent consequences. He has no business telling a free nation who they can or can't associate with.

Ask yourself, what would Reagan do ? He would come down hard on the Russians and in favor of freedom.

Reagan had moore leverage. Russia at that time was in horrendous financial shape and wanted to divest themself of the financial burden of their satellite countries and the cost of the cold war.
Biden's administration can realistically only throw economic sanctions on Russia and possibly some non lethal military assistance . It's just bluster on Biden's part.