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Speaking of Bush, I'm excited to see him and Jenkins in our backfield next year. And who is this Ramsey guy? Is he a redshirt player?
 
Originally posted by advarkas:
Every year, 50,000 Latins reach the age of majority in the United States. In four years, 200,000 Latins will have the ability to impact the Presidential race. The demographics in this country continue to shift, and unless the Republican Party retreats from its traditional far right social views (ranging from abortion to stem cell research to gay marriage to immigration), the Democrats will continue to put candidate after candidate after candidate into the White House...

The burden is on the Republicans to alter their platform to conform with the times- this is 2012, not 1962...
How many latin people do you know?

Um, most latins are conservative on social issues my man.

Here's the kicker if folks like you keep voting liberal there will be no safety net let alone electricity. Money is finite, but not the liberal appetite to spend other peoples money. So you keep on voting for "social" issues like homosexuality or a women's "right" to snuff her unborn. If America is that dumb we are all that done.

If you think that social unrest can't happen here well your mistaken. If a dad has to choose between water for his kids and you. What do think he will choose?

Venezuela voted for a guy named Hugo Chavez... I had family there. I have historical ties to politics there so when you keep talking about social issues while this guy turns the US into socialism. This is the end game it's done.

Some people I don't get. But hey it's still a free country. I guess one day we conservatives or those with moral beyond monkeys will gathered into cattle cars or sent to reeducation camps.
 
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Why hasn't this political bullshit been moved to another forum or deleted!!! Gary, WTF??? I don't pay my money here to listen to these bitter people, who voted for a woman that could see Russia from her house!
 
Too much ignorance and racist view points on this thread to even address...However, it always puts a smile on my face to know that all the racist are miserable. Enjoy the soul brutha in the white house boys, maybe we'll get a black woman in there next time to make you really want to kill yourself.
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Originally posted by michaelmtripp@aol.com:
Originally posted by ucfgoon51:
Lol wow...micheal..so me and all of my friends who have worked since we were 16...went through college and voted for obama are "lazy,government loving,misguided socialists" who are tearing apart america...lol...thats what conservatives tell them selves to feel better.....your philosophy is weak....run from the truth all you want...obama won every demographic majority....except for white men over 40..i guess asian americans(most educated and culturally strict group in america)...blacks...hispanics...college graduates...people under 25...and women all want a "government handout from socialist obama who wants to control our money"....wow....keep crying.
No, Obama told all those demographic groups what they wanted to hear (as well as scared women that Romney would make birth control illegal) and they voted for him (less than they did in 2008 BTW). He is a socialist that has convinced people that he isn't one. I'm not running from the truth. What really bothers me is the gloating of the Obama supporters like this is some Miami-FSU rivalry game. When Bush beat Kerry, the Bush supporters weren't running around cheering and shoving it in the faces of the Kerry supporters. The great uniter has turned out to be a bigger divider than Bush was and Bush's second term was a disaster (something that even somebody that voted for him can admit).

I will keep crying for at least 4 years and I'll get behind Obama the day that he comes up with some ideas that will actually improve things. I will not get behind him while he plays class warfare so that he can "get" the rich white guys. I would even support his tax increase plan if in return for every dollar of tax increase there were $2 of REAL (not government accounting bs where the reduce the rate of growth and call it a cut) spending cuts. Even doing that would still leave $750 billion in deficits but at least it would move in the right direction.
Not conceding what you said in your first paragraph is true, or at least as you claim it to be, Romney ran on promising things to certain demographic groups and telling them what they wanted to hear, but those demographic groups have faded out of power and he lost by a clear and rather sizeable margin.

And any excessive enthusiasm is probably owed to enduring an endless bombardment of things like this thread, birther/muslim conspiracies, racial slurs, and other nonsense, only to see the President reelected.
 
Give me the money you made and let me decide how to spend it. I knew this was coming.
 
Originally posted by Azar:
Too much ignorance and racist view points on this thread to even address...However, it always puts a smile on my face to know that all the racist are miserable. Enjoy the soul brutha in the white house boys, maybe we'll get a black woman in there next time to make you really want to kill yourself.
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Wow talking about people killing themselves. That's your fellow countrymen. Liberals are so damn tough and you always find a way to lower the discourse. So I will go there shthead.

Hey tough guy why don't you strap on a bomb vest and kill yourself in the name Hussein your god. Stupid fuk.
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Originally posted by NJCANE1:
Why hasn't this political bullshit been moved to another forum or deleted!!! Gary, WTF??? I don't pay my money here to listen to these bitter people, who voted for a woman that could see Russia from her house!
This would've been deleted on other boards. This site is going to hell. Gary bans quality posters, but lets this stay up??? I'm not paying 9 bucks to re-hash the election. Heck, even the main board deletes the political stuff.
 
Originally posted by michaelmtripp@aol.com:

Originally posted by big_rob:


Originally posted by FightinIbis:

Getting behind a democratic President is one thing...Bill Clinton was fine by me.

Getting behind somebody telling me what freedoms he prefers me to have, what insurance I must carry, and how and where to save the amount of income I have left over once he taxes the shit out of me...sorry, I have never lived in that country and do not have to be happy or "get behind" ideas that contradict the founding principals of the U.S.

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So has any of what u just said happened yet to u???


Alot of the "Tax Codes" Obama wants to put in place is similar to what president Bill Clinton did during his term in office. If you're to young ask your parents about Ronald Regan, during his term in office i believe taxes were higher then what Obama wants to implement and with Regans higher tax's came job growth and a thriving economy.

The part about, what freedom "Obama" prefers you to have, what insurance you must carry, and how and where to save your money is typical "right wing rederick" that holds no weight in any credible POLITICAL ARGUEMENT, simiply because your facts and assumptions are not true.
Under Bill Clinton ALL tax rates were higher not just on the top 1%. The economy was good under Clinton due to a combination of the dotcom bubble and a budget with a surplus (which was arrived at by him working WITH the Republican congress not fighting at every term). The economy wasn't good BECAUSE of the higher tax rates but IN SPITE OF them. If there was going to be a surplus then I'd support bringing taxes back to the Clinton rates. However (through fault of BOTH parties) spending has gotten so out of control that rasing taxes won't get anywhere near a balanced budget. There is no upside to them except for the "feel good" moment of punishing the rich white guys even though a lot of not so rich middle class people will get hurt by Obama's plan. Especially small business that are taxed as individuals that have incomes that can fluctuate and be $300,000 one year and $50,000 the next. On average they don't make that much but they get killed with high taxes the one good year.

As far as Reagan, taxes were much higher when he came into office. His whole economic plan was lowering taxes to improve the economy which is what he did. By the time Reagan left office, tax rates were lower than they are now.

BTW, there is a great video on youtube somewhere of John F. Kennedy advocating for lowering tax rates to grow the economy. Like I said, he'd be considered a right wing nut if he ran today.
Mike, im not to sure Regans Tax plan was that low but you could be right. Maybe im thinking about his tax plan for the rich and i know that was around 27-33% of income.

And FDR left this country in good shape for Eisenhower and JFK, all they had to do is not mess up what was already set fourth, something George Bush couldnt/didnt do. Also i doubt JFK would be considered a "right wing nut" considering all he wanted to do for African-Americans, starting up MediCare and MediCaid, his civil rights laws, and other minority themed bills/laws (once again something Republicans of today look pass).

As Advarkas said earlier, "Republicans need to change there approach on alot of social economic issues" Latinos, African-Americans, and Asians are starting to pull more and more to the Left, and when that happens White conservatives are going to be drastically out numbered when major elections come up.

Its more than about what party is in charge, its more so about ideas to help move this country forward. I'm a Independent with a slight Liberal lean.
 
Obozo is a socialist. The idiots that voted him in don't know how to use a calculator, let alone basic arithmetic. I can't wait for the revolution.
 
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Originally posted by ucfgoon51:
Lol wow...micheal..so me and all of my friends who have worked since we were 16...went through college and voted for obama are "lazy,government loving,misguided socialists" who are tearing apart america...lol...thats what conservatives tell them selves to feel better.....your philosophy is weak....run from the truth all you want...obama won every demographic majority....except for white men over 40..i guess asian americans(most educated and culturally strict group in america)...blacks...hispanics...college graduates...people under 25...and women all want a "government handout from socialist obama who wants to control our money"....wow....keep crying.
C'mon Bruh, you know we're all lazy, hang on corners listening to rap music, steal, rob, wait for handouts from good ole white folk, get jobs because of affirmative action, and vote strictly because of skin color. I mean, just admit that prior to Obama, we voted for every prez because he was white but we decided to change our allegiance to a black man this time. You know policies don't matter to us, that be too complicated for us minorities to understand.
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Originally posted by nickakanick:
yawnsville, Gary hire some more mods u cheap bastad

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In that same exact order.

I like to talk civil, peaceful, open-minded politics but this definitely isnt the place to do so.
 
Originally posted by dlmcane:
You're the same assholes who voted for that ignorant illiterate bitch George w bush. All he did was destroy the economy, get the country involved in TWO bullshit wars, STEAL TWO election!!!!You want to know why the country is in such a mess, one fxckin word BUSH!!!! You dumbasses sit there and complain about PRESIDENT OBAMA, but you never talk about that evil, lying pos bush. Have you found the weapons of mass destruction yet?? Thousands of young Americans killed for fxckin NOTHING!!! And you damn geniuses voted for him!!! REAL INTELLIGENT!!! The bottom line is president OBAMA IS YOUR COMMANDER AND CHIEF!!!! SO SUCK ON IT BOYS!!!
He's not our Commander in Chief. Half the country absolutely hates this clown. We are THIS close to civil war if our private accounts get nationalized IMO.

This post was edited on 11/27 9:05 PM by Cool Runnin'
 
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There is nothing in the "article" posted by the OP that lends itself to any kind of conclusion about a policy change.

You have an opinion quoted from a liberal lobbyist, and a bunch of speculation from someone at the National Senior Council that fills on article put out by the National Senior Council. The damning quote "It feels like the start of a government takeover." The opinion of one person whose credibility is unknown gets you this worked up?

On substance, I am not sure what the big concern is, there are already limits on how much you can contribute to tax advantaged plans and restrictions on what you can withdraw and when.

You are always free not to have a tax advantaged plan.

The government is not going to confiscate wealth already in retirement plans if that is what you are worried about.

When the President or someone with significant authority in his administration actually introduces some proposed policy change that would eliminate private, tax advantaged retirement vehicles, or "nationalize" retirement plans, then you can be concerned.

What you have here is nothing more than wild speculation based on preconceived notions about the President.
 
Originally posted by surfstang:

Originally posted by Azar:
Too much ignorance and racist view points on this thread to even address...However, it always puts a smile on my face to know that all the racist are miserable. Enjoy the soul brutha in the white house boys, maybe we'll get a black woman in there next time to make you really want to kill yourself.
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Wow talking about people killing themselves. That's your fellow countrymen. Liberals are so damn tough and you always find a way to lower the discourse. So I will go there shthead.

Hey tough guy why don't you strap on a bomb vest and kill yourself in the name Hussein your god. Stupid fuk.
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As the saying goes, a hit dog will holler every time...As I said, enjoy Obama Klansman
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Originally posted by Alaskan Cane:
No, what I'm saying is, and read carefully, if we went back to States Rights over Fed Rights, WE COULD return to pre-Civil war America. I'm not saying WE WOULD. The point is, the CONSTITUTION is a FEDERAL DOCUMENT and overrides States Rights.

Wrong wrong wrong. A thousand times wrong. The Constitution does not override State's rights. Check the 11th amendment.

The Constitution protects the balance between state and federal rights.

There are instances where state rights do override federal powers.

We could not EVER go back to pre-civil war America. Only a left wing crazy person could say that.

There was never a period of time where the governmental philosophy of this country was "State first, federal second."

Just ask James Madison.
 
Gary goes to the movies to see Lincoln and Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly infiltrate canesport demanding a recount.
 
Originally posted by canesreturn:
Gary goes to the movies to see Lincoln and Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly infiltrate canesport demanding a recount.
lmao, it is a looooooonnng movie to.Your best line yet.
 
Wow, thats all I can say.

Crazy to think that they would take away your opportunity to invest in your future and adjust your plans for yourself. Not good.

I saw all this stuff coming but wtvr, I guess this is what most of america wanted.

Fox, CNN, MSNBC, Rep, Dem....it doesnt matter. What does matter is being forced into making choices about your future, there is nothing democratic about that. Its a damn shame. All I want is the opportunity to do what I want with my $ and my life, those days are disappearing quickly but half the country is too ignorant to realize that. Its basically vote for obama b/c he is the "cool" guy or flat out because he is black.

Obama seems to be a really cool, likeable guy...I mean id love to have a beer with the guy, but as a president he is a disgrace to the American culture.

This is worse than the Obamacare deal IMO.
 
Gary does this mean you are going to have a Q&A thread on reversing Roe V. Wade? I'll hang up and listen............
 
If you look at the bottom of the second chart you will see the come from the COB a government agency both R's and D's use to asses their proposed budgets. Do you dispute the math? Sesame Streets charts use crayons.
Originally posted by BAMA CANE.:
where did you get your charts from Alaska?

This post was edited on 11/27 9:33 PM by Alaskan Cane
 
Good ole KKKane sport! Never lets me down. I personally love moments like this so the canesport negroes who have dellusions of grandeur about how much some of these racist bastards really like you or these bruthas on the team, can get a reality check. They love us when we have a ball in our hands and run a 4.4. They'll even let us marry their daughter.
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Originally posted by Alaskan Cane:
If you look at the bottom of the second chart you will see the come from the COB a government agency both R's and D's use to asses their proposed budgets. Do you dispute the math? Sesame Streets charts use crayons.
Originally posted by BAMA CANE.:
where did you get your charts from Alaska?

This post was edited on 11/27 9:33 PM by Alaskan Cane
Both those charts have appeared online or in print editions of numerous major newspapers (WSJ, NYT, WP, etc.) FWIW
 
Originally posted by Azar:


Good ole KKKane sport! Never lets me down. I personally love moments like this so the canesport negroes who have dellusions of grandeur about how much some of these racist bastards really like you or these bruthas on the team, can get a reality check. They love us when we have a ball in our hands and run a 4.4. They'll even let us marry their daughter.
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Holler again.
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Three goddamn pages and still going? Gary/Matt better one helluva scoop they were investigating....
 
Talk to the "retirees" at Enron, who lost all of their retirement thanks to the "reforms" pushed through by big busines.
 
I find it amazing black guys call racism because you don't agree on policy. Just lazy thinking, but the really outrageous part is organizations like planned parenthood that had there genesis in the eugenics movement are sacred - a racist movement to sterilize people of color. Just unbelievably ignorant.

Damn racist calculators! Damn racist facts!
 
I love when people call Obama a socialist or that we are going to be a socialist country.. HELLO!!! this country has been socialist since the 1930's.. something called the great depression happened that forced the countries way of thinking on how the federal govt should protect ALL people and have safety nets in place... 2nd at the clowns who call Obama names or claim he's a communist.... let me ask you, if he really was a communist, would you be able to post what you did and not expect a visit in the night, never to be heard of again, I also suggest you look up what communism actually is or read "communist manifesto" so you stop sounding so ignorant
 
Originally posted by advarkas:
I build my beliefs around the principles of Common Sense, The Scientific Method, and The Common Law...

Signed,

A proud Independent...
Amen Brother!
 
Originally posted by Alaskan Cane:
I agree completely. Lets get these Teat sucking fools off the govt dole. That would be the Oil companies that get HUGE subsidies, Corporations given tax breaks for having their headquarters overseas, and Hedgefund managers who get HUGE tax breaks. amongst other TEAT SUCKERS.

Oh, and by the way, I only respond to this thread to keep you rightwingnuts from feeling completely isolated in your FoxNewsBubble and spend all your time talking to each other and patting yourselves on the back about how smart you are.

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Originally posted by sabrose:
People get minimal information and vote on shallow preferences or out of perceived personal benefit. Alot of voters were afraid their food stamps would cut off ,pensions stopped etc unless they voted for Obama.The problem is there is a point at which a government collapses due to too many people sucking from the government and too few paying in. Insanely, the government has been inviting in illegal aliens and teaching them how to apply for govt assistance when the government is broke. It sues states to prevent them from deporting illegals and making sure they dont vote.
WE are at a level where our yearly deficits are more than our GDP and a president just got elected who will do nothing about it because there are now a majority of voters who are too stupid to understand history and economics. They blame Bush for the economy when it was the Democrats running Fannie Mae into the ground. Bush tried to stop it and the Democrats including Frank, Dodd ,and Waters shouted him down. They fault Bush for spending on the prescription assistance when the Democrats proposed a much more expensive plan. Bush had incompetent or corrupt Securities and exchange monitors.
The fact is both Bush and Obama are incompetent but Obama stands for a system doomed to failure. When the drones that voted for Obama stop getting checks because the treasury is in freefall they will get their just dessert. People with the foresight to avoid the clutches of this current government will be the ones that save it after it collapses.People will learn if you dont work you dont eat and if you pop out 5 babies with no husband or means of support you will pay back society for your irresponsibility.
Right because having one right wing tv channel makes us biased, while every other media outlet in the country is totally left. Its all about freedom. America is supposed be free. That is what we left England for; to be free. Having government tell us what to do is the entire issue. Along with our federal deficit and economy. I really could care less about special interest groups and whether can or cannot do what they want in their personal life. But I just fundamentally disagree with Obamasuck's plan for the economy. His plan stifles growth by punishing the job creators. Taxing more to create more revenue for big govt so they can just spend twice as much is just wrong. It is a death spiral that this country may never recover from. Competition breads strength in the economy just like it does on greentree practice field. Hand outs and freebies get us no where just like the 2008 recruiting class.
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Originally posted by surfstang:
I find it amazing black guys call racism because you don't agree on policy. Just lazy thinking, but the really outrageous part is organizations like planned parenthood that had there genesis in the eugenics movement are sacred - a racist movement to sterilize people of color. Just unbelievably ignorant.

Damn racist calculators! Damn racist facts!

Listen David Duke, black people call racism because of the very thing you racist bastards are doing now which is making your stereotypical assumption that all black people think the same, like the same things, do the same shyt, get jobs and go to college only because of affirmative action, look for government handouts, and probably by your account look the same. Racism is such a part of your regular thought process, you bastards don't even realize when you're being racist and disrespectful. Its idiots like you that fck this country up for everyone and keep fckn turmoil going with your selfish and hateful nature!



It's just comical to see how ignorant you are. You make the statement:



"I find it amazing black guys call racism because you don't agree on policy."





Then in the very next sentence you say some racist shyt like this:



"Just lazy thinking, but the really outrageous part is organizations like Planned Parenthood that had there genesis in the eugenics movement are sacred - a racist movement to sterilize people of color. Just unbelievably ignorant."



Seriously??? Really??? And you wonder why someone calls you racist? All of us are lazy thinkers and support planned parent hood, and I guess it's only black people that use these services, right? Yep, sounds like very reasonable and unbiased thinking to me. Unfckn Real! I assure you that you couldn't out debate this "lazy thinking" black man on my worst day, Klansman.



The vitriol that you racist bastards spit against Obama has nothing to do with any fckn policy. Bush, Chaney, and the rest of that terrorist regime who put this country on the fast track to hell by taking all your fckn rights with the patriot act, created homeland security to police your azz, started fckn wars for no reason, embezzled billions of our taxed dollars via Haliburton and Blackwater, and allowed wall street to fck 90% of the country you fckn hypocrites had no problem with that. As long as he saved you a few dollars on your taxes nothing else mattered did it? Not a fckn peep out of you racist, hateful bastard because it's a good ole boy fckn you! It's all good when it's a white man fckn you, isn't it Klansman? But a black man does anything you don't agree with and all hell breaks lose. He's the worst scum on the face of the earth. Never mind he hasn't done half the devious shyt Bush did, Obama the Blackman is just the devil and irredeemable according to you. You are a psychotic, mindless, soulless, and disgusting group of people who have no conscious and deserve all the misery that comes to you. Fortunately for the sane people, this country will be all black and brown sooner than you racist would like to think and it's only going to get more miserable for you! So, fck you very much and enjoy the browning of America !!!
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Schnellys_ Stache: I don't know how well you did in math in grade school, but 53% is more than 1/2, and much more than the # of "blacks" in America. Did it ever occur to you that many more people agree with Obama's ideas than yours? Possibly, just possibly, the disgrace to American culture is to have the minority, clearly out voted losers in this Election,
realize that in a democracy, majority rules, and you are not in the majority By the way, I am neither "black" nor poor. I am a retired doctor, educated and by most parameters a "ROWG". Thats Rich Old White Guy, but I still respect womens rigfht to choose when and how to control the reproductive decisions in their life, and feel that a Country that has and maintains
11 aircraft carriers can provide medical care for all of its citizens.
Have the Tea Party [formerly the Republican Party] keep nominating candidates like Todd Akin in Missouri, Richard Mourdock in Indiana, or James Walsh in Illinois, and you will lose many more elections. Realize that ALL AMERICANS
OVER 18 CAN VOTE, and accept it, or come up witrh a new set of ideas!!!!!!
 
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