I wear a mask personally for other people if I am asymptomatic etc. I keep 6 ft and the mask helps shorten The distance Of particles coming out of my mouth or nose great. If me wearing it also helps the govt not over reach just an added bonus.
Covid might kill you but there are a lot of things far more dangerous.
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I wear a mask personally for other people if I am asymptomatic etc. I keep 6 ft and the mask helps shorten The distance Of particles coming out of my mouth or nose great. If me wearing it also helps the govt not over reach just an added bonus.
Nurses should love this, huge job security in a good paying field during a massive self induced economic depression. I'm sure there are tons of bartenders, restaurant managers, movie theater worker and stadium attendants who would kill to have the chance to work a 20 hour shift right now.
Sorry, I missed this question earlier. The answer is yes very often. I used to own several bars and restaurants in Chicago and it was not at all uncommon to work a 16-24 hour day. In my life I have opened 9 restaurants (4 for myself and 5 for others) and these opening usually accompany 100 plus hour work weeks. I opened a restaurant in the loop where I had to work 65 out of the 72 hours prior to opening to make sure work was finished for our grand opening and slept a couple of hours on the tile floor in the kitchen. Never once was I compensated for this extra work, it was simply what was required of me to see to it the the restaurants opened on time and either my business was successful or I had a good salaried job when I was managing. Currently I own a water and fire damage company and I am on call 24/7 and I am always on site first when we have a a customer loss come through. Admittedly I no longer work extremely long shifts on a frequent basis but just back in June my company was called to a water loss in a home at 3am and I was there until 5pm making sure we kept the from as much damage as possible due to this water loss. I love my work, in between owning restaurants and my current water damage restoration company I worked for an insurance carrier as a catastrophic adjuster travelling the country helping people of major storms and fires. During this time I worked 21 straight days with 5 off in between, I was on the road 240-275 days a year (added bonus I racked up massive travel perks and points) and while on duty most days were 10-15 hour days. Sometimes it would be a little lonely, but overall I got to work in 42 different states in our wonderful country and I was paid handsomely for doing so. Work is an absolute gift and we are so very fortunate to live in a country where so much of it is available. It gives people's lives purpose, allows them better things for their families and improves the lives of all in the society at large. I am thankful every day I get to wake up and go do a job, it a chance to meet someone new help them out and get paid for doing so, I don't care how long that takes because I am lucky everyday.
No they haven't. My brother is a nurse. They don't get any more than they got prior to covid.
Wait, didn't you tell someone previously that it makes no difference just because you know a nurse? Our niece got an extra 5,000 per week to go to NY to help them out when they were such a hotspot. Of course, then Como in all his ineptitude decided to make all these people that risked their lives and left their families just to help his state pay NY taxes on anything they earned there, You think he would have been just a little more grateful to those that made such a sacrifice.
But nearly all hospitals do pay overtime for hours worked beyond their contractual weekly shifts. If your brother is not being compensated for this he should seek another hospital to work at (I am not being sarcastic or trying to prove a point on this one). My mother has designed and built dozens of hospitals and works with hundreds of hospital administrators and I can tell you being expected to work extra shifts without compensation is not standard practice and would actually be highly frowned upon by the hospital industry. I am dead serious when I say if that is common practice where he works he should look elsewhere because there are definitely greener pastures for him out there.
Seriously, could not be a better time to be a nurse, huge demand, great pay, 3 day work week, employers clamoring to hire them at 65k+ straight out of college. Two of my very good friends from Dallas have been cleaning up taking home about $1500 a week extra working 55 hours a week, that's on top of their six figure salary. One just paid of her student loans 10 years early with the OT she has got during the epidemic.
All these stats per year you gave. Only opioid had more deaths per year than Covid. Covid has killed 135,000 in 4 months even after we shut down... at this rate we’ll have 200,000 dead by October. That’s 7 months.... imagine if we hadn’t shut down.
And with cars, we instituted seat belts. No one complains about that anymore.
Hope you’re not pro life as well.....
Way too many people will die before we reach herd immunity. Sweden tried herd immunity and now their economy has crashed bc no one wants to go out. Google it...
149 nurses have died so far. It’s stressful to see people die left and right and not being able to do much about it. You can’t just replace nurses and doctors overnight.
Clearly you missed the top section of the post.
First I am fully aware of the raw death totals and as I stated in my assumption I believe that based on the data about 300000 will die before this is over, but that is it. All these others will continue to kill for decades to come and we couldn't care less as a society.
Second the point of the post is the loss of quality life years. Currently the average Covid death clocks in at 78 years old. That means they were likely on the way out soon anyway and given the over 350000 comorbidities people have also died with one can reasonably say these people were in very poor health. Their passing is surely sad for their families but they did not for the most part lose quality years of life by succumbing to Covid.
Third, the point of the article was that everything in life has inherent risks and that we should not destroy the future of the young and healthy at the expense of a very small few who are generally extremely ill. Motor vehicle accidents kill 20000 people under 30 every year which is way more than Covid ever can or will, but you don't hear the public saying that a person should not be able to operate a vehicle until they are 30 years of age. If only people between the ages of 30-70 were allowed to drive we would have saved 725000 lives since 2000, however I am probably the only person who has uttered those words because society would find those restrictions on driving nuts.
And Japan who shut down and is religious about mask wearing is seeing a rise in their cases as well.
Sweden is a small Scandinavian nation that relies very heavily on exports of natural resources which have been curbed due to the massive worldwide shut downs. They will reach herd immunity soon and their economy will come roaring back once they do as consumption will resume, in addition they will not be subject to a second wave if one ever even happens which will give them a massive economic advantage over many EU nations.
There are 2.86M nurses in our country, somehow I think we will manage with 99.999995% of nurses still at the ready. Hopefully where they have perished the government has lifted their draconian lockdowns and allowed their friends and families to mourn for them.
We all can go back and forth forever and it won’t change anyone’s opinions. Most of us agree the media is sensationalizing it to another level and I think we all agree asymptomatic transfer is the most concerning part especially for our elderly family members. We don’t need another shut down and we do need people to be smart to help one another out. Too many dummies going out and hanging out around people knowing they have Covid and not telling anyone. Anyone that does that is a piece of $hit Human being in my opinion.
that’s wrong. Japan and their huge mass transit system have 21,000 cases and 348 deaths in total! They have ended their state of emergency.
we don’t feel the same way about this about when police officers die. And they haven’t lost 150 in the line of duty in any year in a long time. Last year we lost 89 officers in the line of duty and half of them died in traffic accidents. And this is in 4 months we lost 150. 1000 total healthcare workers have died. It’s not 99% of nurses at the ready. They are worn down. It’s life and death every time. PTSD like a mofo not when this is over. Now!!! No one gets into healthcare to potentially die. People get in healthcare to help others. They never get into it thinking they will sacrifice their lives to save others. They aren’t navy seals!
Thanks to our friends in China, Japan has also had at least 7 prior test runs that thankfully fizzled out before any real damage was done, at any rate this is a virus and it will traverse the globe at will either until herd immunity or vaccine. Practice makes perfect and good for them for having systems in place due to their neighbor. At the end of the day I will hope for a vaccine, but I will count on herd immunity.
Pick an article and read it: google your own if you’d like.
https://www.businessinsider.com/swe...-high-death-toll-no-economic-gain-data-2020-7
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/sweden-economy-coronavirus.html
https://www.thejakartapost.com/news...t-lock-down-but-economy-to-plunge-anyway.html
I know dozens of healthcare workers, many of whom work in hospitals and ERs. They are in Dallas, Chicago, Tampa, Miami, and NYC. Some are a little worn out, none are anywhere near PTSD. Some where a little concerned at the outset of the epidemic, now they all understand the risks associated and fortunately are in good health and don't have many worries about contracting it themselves. My aunt who is a nurse in Chicago and another very close friend in Dallas have contracted Covid, aunt got a fever for a few days friend was asymptomatic. All our saddened by the death among the elderly and very saddened that these poor people cannot have visitors with them as they near the end of their lives. At the end of the day they have a job to do and they do it well, none that I know have ever thought of quitting.
herd immunity can ONLY be achieved if 70% or at the very least 50% of the population has to get it. Let’s do some math about 7/8% of the population has or had it. We are getting about 55-60k cases a day. In order for over 160million people to get it we would need to keep this same infection rate of at least 455k a day for 365 days! We’ve been getting 55k for 2 weeks and the medical community is freaking out, 135k deaths, how do you think we could handle 455k infections per day???
my mom was a nurse, my sister is a physician (got Covid and was relatively ok), and I know many more. No one signed up for this. Most of those places except NYC haven’t been hit hard yet for weeks on in. It’s about to start. Ask them how they feel in 2 months. And if your friend in New York is like cool give me more, he or she is not the majority.
Fake news. Why then are cases surging in Tokyo to near level records? Simple google search could have worked before you claimed someone was wrong.
It’s not fake news. There is no surge in Tokyo. Not by American standards. You know what their high number they recorded that was a surge in Tokyo yesterday, 248 cases! That’s their highest number since April. We are getting 10K in the state of Florida alone! Show me your article that proves to you that Japan has a surge lately... I’ll wait. Maybe you need to realize that maybe you’re getting fake news.
And they wear masks.....
Do you think an idiot that can't post a picture is going to give you a link? Ha ha. There are plenty of articles about it including one by Bloomberg that uses the term surge in it's headline. I never said it was a surge compared to American standards but that they are near record highs for them and that is a surge, sir. I guess some of them had defective masks.
50% accorrding to
The CDC and WHO suggest that for every diagnosed case there are 10-20 undiagnosed ones. That would mean for the 3.5M diagnosed cases we have there are a actually around 33-67M ones included asymptomatic carriers. This is roughly 10-20% of the population. With the current case levels I would assume that the asymptomatic are probably on the low end but even at 5-10 asymptomatic cases for every diagnosed one that is roughly 270-600k new infections a day at that rate of transmission we are roughly 3-8 months from herd immunity. This should be cheered, we have a declining fatality rate and the CDC estimates it at .25% and it may be calling even more (that was as of June). This is great news, schools opening could safely speed up the process as kids spread rapidly and have a virtually zero chance of dying from the disease. All this adds up to herd immunity some time shortly before or after New Year. If a vaccine comes online even better because we could immunize seniors and healthcare worked and get on with our lives by Thanksgiving.
smh or maybe some of them didn’t do what they were suppose to do. 248 cases. Come on. Don’t play that word game on me. You can post links to articles here. Just copy and paste.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-japan-experts-idUSKBN24317U
if we had that many cases in Florida we would be wide open. 107 of those cases were young people who went to an entertainment venue. Our leadership has failed us. No one else in the world is having this type of issue right now. Except Brazil. And they got there’s late bc it’s now winter. But birds of a feather....
stop playing word games and be honest. If all you read was surge in the headline then you should open the article. And if all you comprehended from reading it that it was an actual surge that is controllable then that’s on you.
https://abc3340.com/news/local/uab-...y-through-infection-would-be-dangerous-to-try
you can google additional articles. There will be way too many deaths and the healthcare system would collapse. We don’t have the man power or hospitals to do herd immunity. Lol 67 million people haven’t been infected. That would be a close to 1/5 of the country. Sorry man. That hasn’t happened. I know what they suggest but those are still estimates. We gotta do this the right way. The only way. Unless you don’t care about your parents dying or people you love dying. Herd immunity would mean 2 plus million dead. We lose 2.2 Million per year! That’s just crazy.
Let’s play the herd immunity game tho. I’ll give you 33 million infected. We lost as of now 135k lives. Death are about to go up btw governor of Tx just said after 3 str8 days of record deaths “the people who are dying now got infected in late May before the surge, we are going to see more deaths next week”. If 33 million people got it, that’s a 10th of the US population and 135k died, if we multiply that by 10 that means 1.35million people died. If you say ok only 80% need to get it that’s over a million deaths! You ok with losing a million so you can live your life?
Thanks for trying deuce but I've heard just copy and paste for quite some time from other well meaning people. Too bad I have no idea what that means. Lol, I told you I am an idiot about this.
KAMCO said avg age of COVID deaths is 78!!!!
COVID-19 in and of ITSELF kills a VERY, VERY VERY SMALL percentage of YOUNG HEALTHY people...WAY LESS than the FLU.
How many people who were lost to COVID-19 weren't just ELDERLY but had SEVERAL UNDERLYING health issues to boot???
Your boy kamco was wrong. Per John Hopkins university who totals all these numbers said on June 24th the average American median age of death is 48. It’s 80 in most countries. Here’s the link if you care to read.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-d...ths-are-analysed-by-age-america-is-an-outlier
you guys need better facts. And even if they were older it’s still cool? It’s cool to let them die? The people who are over 80 are actually the people who did the hard work and sacrificing in the 40s during the war to allow us to have the freedoms we have today. It’s cool if they die? They deserve to die? They lived long enough? The had a condition?
So you can live your life? What kind of savage Are you dude?
Please...
If they have UNDERLYING HEALTH ISSUES, they stay HOME...
THAT GENERATION in particular understands PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY...
Yet in my town...when this FIRST hit...
WALMART, PUBLIX, etc. filled to the RAFTERS with bored ELDERLY and NO masks...
Things that make you go HMMMMM...
As for those NUMBERS...
MEDIAN AGE means NADA...
Take it from a former RESEARCHER...
If you want a LEGITIMATE source...
Don't cite a MAGAZINE...
Go get the CDC REPORTS...
AVERAGE AGE is the LEGIT STAT
The AVERAGE AGE is 78...
Young Healthy People are NOT DYING of this...
As for the subject of DEATH.....
Sadly...we lose our ELDERLY...
Lost my Dad to Pancreatic Cancer in 2015...
Lost my Mom to COPD in 2017...
God Blessed me with them and I miss them EVERY DAY...
I am 57...
If I make it to 80, I don't want SOCIETY to shut down to save MY old azz...
I will not force OTHERS to give up THEIR free will to SAVE my azz...
The RESPONSIBILITY for PROTECTING me LIES with ME...and ONLY ME
I am sure that if you ask THAT Generation in particular...
They would say THE SAME...
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Hahha! It’s sad people don’t know the difference between median and average! You figure self proclaimed geniuses would know this.
AGREED...
It is even SADDER when they use a BUSINESS MAGAZINE as a MEDICAL STATISTICAL SOURCE...
If you go on the CDC website and look up the stats (I know it's an alt right rag) you will find that Covid deaths had a total of over 360,000 comorbidities reported at time of death. 3 per person on the average, real healthy bunch.
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