My prospective as a 2 time Trump voter. A little bit of my truth
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Jeb is one of the best Govs we've had. Chiles did 2 terms, he's the reason George and not Jeb ran in 2000, no one expected George to pull of the miracle and everyone assumed Jeb would beat Lawton.
Both were good Govs, both centrist.
Which states circumvented? From what I've read and seen it was the individual state legislatures that passed these change resolutions, often with great debate.
I remember Dwight from before we moved out here to Utah. Is he still working in the business?I really think you should watch reporting by Cronkite and Bishop. Bishop was a gay rights glass ceiling destroyer, a feminist without fear who demanded a seat at the anchor chair not based on her looks. She mentored the mentor of a friend of mine, Dwight Lauderdale (Calvin and I are friends).
I'm not saying you are being intentional but what you are not doing is accurately reflecting who these newspeople were and what they represented. They would be aghast at Trump's dismissal of actual journalism, Trump has been quoted as saying he undermines the media so that the won't be believed when they are saying something critical. "“And he said: ‘You know why I do it? I do it to discredit you all and demean you all so that when you write negative stories about me no one will believe you.’”
Maybe review Cronkite's quotes on Nixon and Watergate, his coverage of the DNC and the police incursion, his coverage of Vietnam.
"If in the search of our conscience we find a new dedication to the American concepts that brook no political, sectional, religious or racial divisions, then maybe it may yet be possible to say that John Fitzgerald Kennedy did not die in vain.''
Highlights of Some Cronkite Broadcasts
Legendary Anchor Covered Some of Biggest Stories of Centurywww.cbsnews.com
The only difference was that folks were not being influenced by people who were not accountable to fact, folks understood editorial to be editorial and not news, performance to be performed. Buckley and Baldwin weren't journalists and everyone knew that, however they were committed to facts. Ta-Nehesi and Dowd exist today but folks are more interested in Hannity and Thomm Hartman and therein lies the problem.
"It is said that the human mind has a greater capacity for remembering the pleasant than the unpleasant." Walter Cronkite
If Trump were judged by results in the tradition of Cronkite and Bishop as journalist I'd be good with that too, there are journalist now who operate in that tradition.
Reality is if Trump didn’t act like a constant ass no amount of cheating would have beat him. His narcissistic ways played a part in his undoing.
The flip side of the coin is the Leadership of the Dems (Pelosi & Schumer) isn’t much better. We really truly need term limits. I would hope this would be in agreement across this board.
Still can't believe Trump handed them GA, crazy when you think of it.
Pelosi is a brilliant tactician, more in the vein of McConnell (tactical GOAT) than Trump. Pelosi bitch slapped AOC last night and I loved it. Schumer is good at being the minority speaker of the house, he's a nothing burger.
Really? I’d love to see the video. There is no more stupid and ignorant person in congress than AOC.
Oh there are way more stupid folks, Gaetz comes to mind but she's bad. 60 minutes. Let me see if I can isolate it.
Comments like this will keep him relevant , nothing but throwing fuel on the fire...
You fucvking dems think ur so righteous but nothing short of hypocrites ...
Give a specific state that did as you suggested? If this happened why didn't Trump supporters complain prior to the election? Any chance something similar happened in states Trump won? If so, should we contest those?
Lets be blunt. The issue at hand is mail-in ballots, especially those mailed in by people of color. I still maintain those people would have still come out and voted against Trump in person. People in those communities feel Trump is a racist and corrupt. Unfortunately, his supporters don't see him as such.
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Please share with us this poll that has Trump at 50%+ approval?
Don't you think it's time to look at how all states conduct their elections? From gerrymandering to voter suppression and even mail in ballots, why not take a look at what is working and what isn't so we could get more people involved in the process? Every American citizen should be able to easily cast their ballot if they so choose, as long as it's a legal ballot.
Agree. But don't throw out the Black vote because 90% voted against him.
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It would probably hurt some of what I believe in politically, but every adult should have easy access to have their voices heard in determining the outcome of our country. The problem is in eliminating fraud while obtaining that access, especially in the digital age.
How do we know unless we look? We have never had mail in voting any where near this level before. What I'm saying is that the possibility of fraud is high in the digital age and we should take a proactive look to make sure that every legal vote is accounted for. Wouldn't you like to know if the Pubs are cheating in their states?
I'm not against a review of mail in ballots and other election procedures. In the end, Trump still loses. The man is corrupt to the core and very dangerous. You know it along with 81 million Americans.
Also, remember in 2017 Trump appointed a committee to look into voter fraud. What were their findings?
These right wing nutjobs don't know who to blame for Trump's loss. Look no further than Trump himself.
They're all corrupt to the core and very dangerous to me cems. If you want to say Trump was the worst ever then more power to you, if you want to tell me that Biden isn't a corrupt POS as well, then that's where you lose me.
Did they have the amount of mail in voting in 2017 that we got this year? This was unprecedented and we may never know if there was fraud going on or not. I'm not blaming one side or the other here, just want a free and fair election for all.
First, Trump was very clear months before the election about the dangers of mass mailings to full but not vetted voter rolls. Put that aside it was weak verifications to ensure validity of the ballot that were a problem in Nevada, Pennsylvania, Georgia, maybe Wisconsin and Michigan. You could be right on Biden suporters coming out to vote in person. Why do you insist on bringing up people of color? Does every topic involve race?
This topic does. Take GA and NC, the NC supreme Court said that voting laws targeted to suppress black voters with laser like precision.
In GA they limited precincts and reduced early voting hours and made weekend voting difficult, all targeted at black voting practices. Texas gov mandated that voting ballots being dropped off be limited to one location per county. Knowing full well that the majority of black voters used this method and many would not have availability to reach the single destination in counties as large as the state of those island. Pure racially targeted suppressive method. Picking up ballots for those unable to drop them off was also vilified.
Voter suppression is real and it’s effective. Sometimes it can be done with speech. Look at what Trump did to MAGA in GA, but for him McConnel is still majority.
it’s ok to recognize when policies impact race. If it’s exhausting to hear about it just imagine living it.
@ellu, I had to step away from this thread purposely, but I always love the thoughtful and detailed replies from you.
Blinders are a dangerous thing. This is true in personal, professional and political settings. Look at all of the violent protesters? Wasn't it Donald Trump who ranted about peaceful protests? Yes, until they were protesting on his behalf. Wasn't it Donald Trump who ranted about the importance of police in our society (which I 100% agree with)? Yes, until his protesters beat them down and threw objects at them, simply for them doing their job. I mean, it's not the convenience at which he (attempts to) lead, but it's the blinders of his followers. I don't fault anyone from following someone, but when the person is incorrect (define that any way you want), that's where a REAL man/woman/American can stand up and say, "That's ****ed up! My guy is wrong!". But to make excuses makes the followers the same as the leader, but with more shame because they are puppets (Dems or Republicans).
My final analogy (all fictitious): If I have a GREAT wife, who is always by my side, is a great mom, loves me and the kids, etc., but then has a dude on the side, I'm not going to keep making excuses on why she's so great for this marriage. But when that infidelity goes beyond and now I find out that she's stealing money, threatening people (family/friends/strangers), is involved in some shady dealings....shame on me for still making excuses for her. For some, Donald Trump is that fictitious wife and many of his follower are this fictitious husband. Wake up!
Spot on . Notice with the liberals never no blame on them no matter what. ALL LIVES MATTER.
if you want to compare Pelosi and Schumer that would be a McConnell Scalise comparison. Each play dirty but no one can credibly say they lead a literal insurrection.
Trump is singularly self serving and self motivated, willing to demean his own Generals when they resist his madness, claims to know more than the military Heads, believes media and press that echo his inclinations while ignoring his access to the greatest intelligence resources known to mankind and intentionally undermines the public trust in important institutions. He’s a singularly dangerous pariah and should be identified as such.
Totally disagree. Let’s see what four years of the left brings. Anyone that thinks our federal government is not crooked and the FBI and Intelligence has not run amok has there head stuck in the sand . If you think big tech ,banks and foreign influences have not bought our government off your living in a pipe dream . President Trump exposed them . Republican and Democrats with the press spread hate amongst the people so they can have total control of Americans and be part of the globalization of the world with China leading the charge. Look at all the riots , ANTIFA, looting, killing of police, calling for no Police, blaming white privilege for destruction of poor families and all you high and mighty liberals sweep that under the rug. Yep things are going to get worst before better. More hate in this country in the last twenty years way before Trump came around. Blame him if you want plenty of blame to go around on each side . ALL LIVES MATTER. Yep you hypocrites are giddy over Trump supporters protesting and all of a sudden have become the all loving patriotic Americans and Trump supporters are the scum. Yep go climb under your slimy rock you came out of while for four years all looted , rioted , assaulted citizens, killed police officers, took over the capital building during the Supreme Court hearings, liberals took over Wisconsin capital and shut it down but that was ok. Yep I could go all day. No apologies from me . Thank God Trump had the balls to expose you slimy hypocrites on each side .
It's exhausting in every way. If the voting hours and weekend voting are limited I'm certain white people and latin people and asian people would all be effected. Unless you are claiming that only Black people live in Georgia. How is the other folks vote> ? I won't stand up for any State and the way they conduct voting because most States (really it's Counties) do a piss poor job. SEE; Brenda Snipes Broward County Florida.
Bobbie jo:
No doubt you and I have different lenses on the recent events and elections. Here’s a key difference:
* the “Left” you speak of did not win the election. Moderates won. Biden defeated Bernie and Warren and held the middle of the Dems. AOC and the Squad did not prosper. Pelosi has been masterful in minimizing the voice of the Squad.
* the riots in Portland and other cities do not represent the Democratic center. Trump and friends try to smear moderate Dems by linking them to this violence. Nonsense. Those violent rioters in our cities should be locked up, early and often.
*Biden’s pick for his Cabinet speak loud and clear on his goal for a moderate administration. He has picked professionals, not rabble rousers or ideologues.
I’m hoping Joe keeps his word and narrowly focuses on defeating COVID, achieving fast and massive vaccination of our country and a quick economic rebound for all. All the other stuff is irrelevant until these 3 goals are achieved. This is an American agenda, not a Left Wing plan.
Agree, and we continue to vote for these people twice and no matter what we see they just can't bring themselves to do anything about it. Support this hate, apologize for this hate, excuse this hate, explain this hate, and empower people that have it. I am interested in what you do about it. From what I have read you aren't doing anything.
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You knew who Trump was the moment he came down that escalater. That is, a liar, cheat, corrupt to the core and a racist but you voted for him twice. Your post doesn't explain why you would vote for a person with those credentials 2 times. Try again!
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Yeah, lol....it doesn't take 8 years to figure out something like Jan6th could happen. Hell, there were people here rooting for it to happen. There are people here advocating civil war. Voting for him twice is just a bit on the I support you no matter what side. Gotta do better.
No different than you whining about every liberal issue. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
