I think many think like me. It's abhorent but if the decision is to abort it should be made quickly. This is for normal unwanted pregnancies not unusual circumstances.
Roe v Wade is over turned
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For many, the constitution has a lot of implicit meaning written within it. I for one agree with that. However, many on the right like Scalia, are Originalists. They believe the constitution should be interpreted based on the meaning of words at that time and not deviate. Not saying that is wrong but I feel the constitution is flexible to accommodate the change in attitudes and morales. That's why we have the 19th amendment. Prior to that time nothing in the constitution mentioned a woman's right to vote. The same can be said about a woman's right to decide if she wants to have a child. This is what Biden is speaking about.
The democrats have never wanted to codify roe . They’ve had numerous opportunities where they had a super majority in the senate and majority in the house and held the presidency. Why didn’t they pass a bill and put it to rest ? Because they want the issue to politicize. Just like the boarder.
also leaving it as is allowed them to have abortion on demand far beyond what most countries allow. Their despicable act like they care . This issue has been a constant fight for 50 years since Roe which was not in the courts purview. Time for a “ real discussion “ on going forward.
also leaving it as is allowed them to have abortion on demand far beyond what most countries allow. Their despicable act like they care . This issue has been a constant fight for 50 years since Roe which was not in the courts purview. Time for a “ real discussion “ on going forward.
There are now much better birth control devices than when Roe became the law of the land in 1973. There really are no good reasons for an unwanted pregnancy today.
Carelessness is not an excuse nor is lack of responsibility.
Not sure I'm clear on your stance on rape and incest? I for one feel a woman should not be forced to have a child under those circumstances.
I see getting into an intellectual discussion with you on this issue will not happen.
I stated a fact.
There is no law by congress no amendment to the constitution, so it ain't there man.
What is unintellectual about that?
You can't enforce an UNWRITTEN LAW.
Bro are you having trouble reading today? Read my answer again.
I hate political talk on this sitr, but for all you who claim that abortion isn't in the constitution and therefore shouldn't be the law of the land are you really so naive, did you read Thomas's concurrence, neither is gay marriage, right to privacy, inter racial marriage, etc. Did you not read Thomas's concurrence he gave away the game plan, do think that is going to stop at abortion, and please stop with the rhetoric of states choice I get your all Trumpers but please
Do your homework justice Thomas is married to a white woman . And study civics we are a nation of states with individual states rights.
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The constitution is flexible. There is a constitutional amendment process. Legislatures on both side have not had the moral courage to go through the designed procedures. Which is why the idea of an activist court "finding" something not in writing is so dangerous. That is third world stuff.
You said it rarely happens. If it does on that rare occasion, what is your position? Be clear.
I know he is it is ironic; my point is those rights, Separate but equal, gay marriage, sodomy, Inter - racial marriage, right to privacy, Miranda etc. are not in the constitution, but courts have viewed them as rights under the due process clause of the constitution, this ruling will begin a slippery slope, and no one know where it will end
I 100% agree.
But I also don't buy that a women needs 8 months and 3 weeks to figure out she was raped or the father was cousin Eddie.
Boy I haven't seen Democrats this mad... since Abe Lincoln abolished slavery...
Or....
Joe Biden...
Personally I would accept a state law which severely restricts abortion. The time limit would have to be narrow . Like the one in Mississippi which was the subject of the lawsuit
I would also support a rape and invest exception within a reasonable period.
But those issues need to be debated at the state legislative level .
Roe was way out there as far as establishing a constitutional basis off some “ prenumbra “ of rights granted under the substantive due process provisions. Just made up stuff . Nonsense really
The case merely sends the deliberative process back to the states where the political democratic process can properly address the question
I would also support a rape and invest exception within a reasonable period.
But those issues need to be debated at the state legislative level .
Roe was way out there as far as establishing a constitutional basis off some “ prenumbra “ of rights granted under the substantive due process provisions. Just made up stuff . Nonsense really
The case merely sends the deliberative process back to the states where the political democratic process can properly address the question
you cannot pass an abortion bill unless you have 60% of the Senate. When did they have that?
Like Ronald Reagan once said; "All the people in favor of abortion have already been born."
"Simple Minded" and "Alyssa Milano" are perfect for each other in the same sentence.
Oh. And she used to have the FINEST ASS when she was young.
Obama first term for a short period of time plus there was handful of pro choice republicans in the senate. If democrats wanted a law they could have had one but it wouldn’t be as far reaching as they wanted. They can’t stand compromising and they always want the issue for political reasons
Not sure why you keep bringing up how rarely rape cases happen. You either for that exception or not. Stop being wishy/washy.
What the he’ll are you talking about?
I just pointed out that rape and incest only account for less than one percent of cases.
Regardless of percentages, how would you like to be a victim of rape or incest and have to bear the child of your perpetrator?
You know what that’s really a question that only someone in that situation can answer. All you and I can do is imagine. Remember that child is half of the mother. And to just think all women would elect to abort a child understandable so in that circumstance is wrong. There’s a lot of woman who have carried to term and the birth of that child was actually a healing for them. I know of a few people that are results of rape carried to term that have been some amazing people. James Robison who you use to see on informercials for feeding children in Africa was the result of his mother being raped. He’s saved millions of children from starvation over the years . I know that’s not the case for everyone. But understandably after being raped and find out your pregnant would be horrifying at first . But making a decision to terminate a life that is half you Can be horrifying for the rest of their life also . I think those women need to be not encouraged one way or the other but should be counseled on that decision. You want a waiting period on buying a gun what about a waiting period to terminate a life offer all the care and counseling necessary explain the 3 basic options. Terminate a life that’s half you , carry to birth and give up for adoption. Or maybe the mom who decides to maybe carry to term for adoption can make a birth day decision she wants her baby. Time and babies can heal a lot of wounds my friend. Abortion isn’t being outlawed it’s going to go to both extremes in some states. Just like everything else and the citizens will vote and decide what they want. The politicians in Washington need to go to work and quit demanding all or nothing.
The issue isn't how well these kids turn out but instead what does the mother want to do. It's her decision not a politician. As for you assuming these victims don't receive counseling before an abortion, you're wrong. They do.
It’s “her” decision? I thought men could have babies too.
Lol they receive counseling? A pro-life group wanted to put up literature etc to explain to a woman that abortion isn’t the only solution. They were shot down. There is no “Choice” in Pro Choice.
I’m pro-choice up to 4 months. Unless there’s danger to mother or severe handicapped fetus. But otherwise if you ain’t figured it out by then… tough.
The funny thing is the US position is much more liberal than most European countries and you don’t hear them bitchin.
As I said "with some reasonable regulations." I think many State policies will look like that.
Some will be harsh
Some will be a near free for all. (California, NY, NJ, etc...)
Every state abortion law Im aware of allows for abortion up to about 15 weeks thats over three months.
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