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The Democratic Divide Grows Wider...

On cup of bean #2 it's gonna be a 3 cup morning. I wrote " no one knows what they did with it." Meaning the boatloads of money they raised.
But we know one thing they did, which is buy houses. And people don’t think they have leadership or are corrupt.
 
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HJ. Israel has no doubt had great accomplishments. It’s technological innovations are remarkable.

Your support for Israel is understandable. What surprises me is that your allies on the Right Wing of this site hate Jews. And they are never called out for it by other Trump backers.

Ex. El Cubano continuously labels the Proud Boys as patriots. Isn’t that the viciously anti Semitic group featuring Auschwitz tshirts as they entered the Capitol on Jan 6?

Ex. GRB has also endorsed El‘s evaluation of the Proud Boys.

Why do pro Trumpers fail to attack Jew haters within their ranks?

Thanks.
I attack any anti Semitic piece of shit!!
PERIOD!
The better question is how any Jewish person would vote Democrat?!
 
Majus,

77% of American Jews voted for Biden. This has been a consistent pattern of Jewish support for Dems for generations.

For many, Israel is not the only or even primary motivator for supporting a candidate. Also, many American Jews love Israel and hate Netanyahu. His aggressive, divisive policies within Israel and total treatment of Trump as his BFF were too much to take.
 
Majus,

77% of American Jews voted for Biden. This has been a consistent pattern of Jewish support for Dems for generations.

For many, Israel is not the only or even primary motivator for supporting a candidate. Also, many American Jews love Israel and hate Netanyahu. His aggressive, divisive policies within Israel and total treatment of Trump as his BFF were too much to take.
I wonder how they're liking that Biden vote now?
 
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Majus,

77% of American Jews voted for Biden. This has been a consistent pattern of Jewish support for Dems for generations.

For many, Israel is not the only or even primary motivator for supporting a candidate. Also, many American Jews love Israel and hate Netanyahu. His aggressive, divisive policies within Israel and total treatment of Trump as his BFF were too much to take.
Your stats might be accurate cortez, however your explanation paragraph is way off.
First off I’m Jewish, secondly American
American Jews DO NOT HATE Netanyahu
FACT.
American Press hates him.
Israel needs to be aggressive cortez, as they are 100% surrounded by enemies.
Surrounded by countries that want to annihilate Israel.
Easy for you to sit here and opine, when you have no dog in the fight.
If your Jewish and coherent, Israel’s existence is overtly improtant.
PS Try googling Netanyahu before you speak about him. you might learn what a real man is all about!
 
Your stats might be accurate cortez, however your explanation paragraph is way off.
First off I’m Jewish, secondly American
American Jews DO NOT HATE Netanyahu
FACT.
American Press hates him.
Israel needs to be aggressive cortez, as they are 100% surrounded by enemies.
Surrounded by countries that want to annihilate Israel.
Easy for you to sit here and opine, when you have no dog in the fight.
If your Jewish and coherent, Israel’s existence is overtly improtant.
PS Try googling Netanyahu before you speak about him. you might learn what a real man is all about!
Fantastic post
 
Majus,

77% of American Jews voted for Biden. This has been a consistent pattern of Jewish support for Dems for generations.

For many, Israel is not the only or even primary motivator for supporting a candidate. Also, many American Jews love Israel and hate Netanyahu. His aggressive, divisive policies within Israel and total treatment of Trump as his BFF were too much to take.
Settle down Majus. I am familiar with Netanyahu. He can’t get to 50% support in Israel, let alone among American Jews.

He is also being prosecuted for personal corruption.

You are in the minority again in your political outlook just as you were with Trump. You are living on the political margins.
 
Jerusalem Post reports:

*80% of American Jews support Israel
*23% of American Jews support the policies of the current Israeli leadership
 
No I'm a high school dropout joined the Navy at 17. Everything I have and have learned was on my own.
Thank you for your service to "our" country. I mentioned "our" country on a previous post, which was posted yesterday. I can clearly see you on the motorcycle and I saw it well before I made that post. Hence, our country.
 
17,

I have stated very clearly that I do not support violence by any group: Proud Boys, BLM supporters, Antifa, etc. The accusation that Dems support violence by left leaning groups is absurd.

Details:

Proud Boys have been identified by Canada as a domestic terrorist organization. That’s why I’m very disappointed that Right Wingers on this site won’t call out or criticize them or their supporters (eg El Cubano). Why the hesitancy?

BLM is not an organization. Its a rallying cry. If BLM activists riot and act violently in Portland, Seattle, etc….lock them up. No mercy.

Antifa is a terrorist group. Arrest them and lock them up,

Does this clear things up a bit?
.

Sorry to disagree with you... but BLM is absolutely an organization. So much so... they have plans to create a political party.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/about/
FundingofBLMOrgs_07242020.jpg
 
*80% of American Jews support Israel
*23% of American Jews support the policies of the current Israeli leadership

Must give credit where due. all this bullshit I've been giving 'Ole Joe' and now he humbles me. He's standing by Israel...unlike the Left, he's saying Israel has the right to defend itself.

Cortez what here don't you comprehend?

Your stats are less than accurate, even if quoted correctly.. They're from some Lefty source and you've drunk the Kool-aid. why not they're only Jews, let's have them twist in the wind again.

Bullshit. Maybe those Progressive Jews do not support current Israeli action or leadership, but contrary to this claim, much more than 80% of American Jews support Israel. I know no one who has been included in this survey and likewise know no Jew who doesn't support Israel. Bullshit and you're buying it.

So now we've got the fringe Right (you), the entire Left, from the middle on to left, left, those who oppose all that is Jewish and also the Palestinians as an entire block saying 'how inhuman...those Jews are attacking those poor people who can't help but send destruction into their cities. How unfair they're stopping missiles from killing their citizens, Jew and Arab and then attacking the missile launchers'.

NEVER AGAIN.
 
Must give credit where due. all this bullshit I've been giving 'Ole Joe' and now he humbles me. He's standing by Israel...unlike the Left, he's saying Israel has the right to defend itself.

Cortez what here don't you comprehend?

Your stats are less than accurate, even if quoted correctly.. They're from some Lefty source and you've drunk the Kool-aid. why not they're only Jews, let's have them twist in the wind again.

Bullshit. Maybe those Progressive Jews do not support current Israeli action or leadership, but contrary to this claim, much more than 80% of American Jews support Israel. I know no one who has been included in this survey and likewise know no Jew who doesn't support Israel. Bullshit and you're buying it.

So now we've got the fringe Right (you), the entire Left, from the middle on to left, left, those who oppose all that is Jewish and also the Palestinians as an entire block saying 'how inhuman...those Jews are attacking those poor people who can't help but send destruction into their cities. How unfair they're stopping missiles from killing their citizens, Jew and Arab and then attacking the missile launchers'.

NEVER AGAIN.
How's your wife feeling Irwinn?
 
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Irwinn and HJ,

I’m surprised at your defensiveness. I quoted a Feb 4 poll by the Centrist English newspaper in Israel, The Jerusalem Post. They found as I said and you said, Irwin, that 80% of American Jews support Israel. That’s true. They noted, however, that only 23% support the policies of the government. That’s also true.

This isn’t a pro or anti Israeli rant by me or The Jerusalem Post. It’s simply documentation of simultaneous support and uneasiness among American Jews for the current Israeli government.

You can love Israel and not love Netanyahu. Simple as that. There’s no need to distrust or disparage that finding.
 
How's your wife feeling Irwinn?

Saw the Doc today. Pleased that's there's progress. Pain comes and goes...mostly comes. Moves around which is a good indicator. This week better than last but not as fast as we'd like. Getting a steroid shot in 4/5 next week to help with the pain issue. Not what we signed up for but this does happen and we've still got faith in DR. Have checked with my brother who is a PHD in Pharmacology and taught pain control to DRS. and he's on board with what's going on. So we remain hopeful.

How goes it with you?
 
Saw the Doc today. Pleased that's there's progress. Pain comes and goes...mostly comes. Moves around which is a good indicator. This week better than last but not as fast as we'd like. Getting a steroid shot in 4/5 next week to help with the pain issue. Not what we signed up for but this does happen and we've still got faith in DR. Have checked with my brother who is a PHD in Pharmacology and taught pain control to DRS. and he's on board with what's going on. So we remain hopeful.

How goes it with you?
Back healing. Nerve issues in front of thighs pelvis bad, nerve issue elbow bad. Neurologist tomorrow test the nerves.
 
17,

I have stated very clearly that I do not support violence by any group: Proud Boys, BLM supporters, Antifa, etc. The accusation that Dems support violence by left leaning groups is absurd.

Details:

Proud Boys have been identified by Canada as a domestic terrorist organization. That’s why I’m very disappointed that Right Wingers on this site won’t call out or criticize them or their supporters (eg El Cubano). Why the hesitancy?

BLM is not an organization. Its a rallying cry. If BLM activists riot and act violently in Portland, Seattle, etc….lock them up. No mercy.

Antifa is a terrorist group. Arrest them and lock them up,

Does this clear things up a bit?
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Cortez,
First thank you for a clear condemnation of violent protests. I too condemn any group that harasses citizens, destroys property, steals, lights fires. etc.

As to the Proud Boys, I can honestly say I truly know very little about them. The only things I have seen from them is them counterprotesting BLM and Antifa. I see some mutual scuffling, pushing, profanity and chest bowing. I have never seen any video of The Proud Boys harassing innocent citizens minding their own business, never seen them blocking traffic, breaking windows, lighting fires or looting. But I am certainly willing to be educated. Please post any video's of Proud Boys taking the lead in causing havoc. Maybe I am just not informed?

As to BLM and Antifa being limited to Portland, Seattle NYC, that is simply not true. As far as Antifa and BLM being just ideas or slogans, another poster provided a very detailed org chart of BLM. There have been numerous proven links of leftist groups funding violent and organized Antifa activities.

I had provided a link to BLM harassing diners in Louisville. Please find below another example from BLM's playbook. This Pittsburgh newpaper article shows BLM harassing elderly diners. Is BLM's cause so noble that it merits, them preventing other American's enjoying a simple meal with family and friends?

https://www.post-gazette.com/news/c...ners-Downtown-Pittsburgh/stories/202009150105

I anxiously await being enlightened to see The Proud Boys harassing innocent citizens in a similar manner. I will fully and without hesitation condemn them for any such activities I see with my own eyes.
 
Cortez,
First thank you for a clear condemnation of violent protests. I too condemn any group that harasses citizens, destroys property, steals, lights fires. etc.

As to the Proud Boys, I can honestly say I truly know very little about them. The only things I have seen from them is them counterprotesting BLM and Antifa. I see some mutual scuffling, pushing, profanity and chest bowing. I have never seen any video of The Proud Boys harassing innocent citizens minding their own business, never seen them blocking traffic, breaking windows, lighting fires or looting. But I am certainly willing to be educated. Please post any video's of Proud Boys taking the lead in causing havoc. Maybe I am just not informed?

As to BLM and Antifa being limited to Portland, Seattle NYC, that is simply not true. As far as Antifa and BLM being just ideas or slogans, another poster provided a very detailed org chart of BLM. There have been numerous proven links of leftist groups funding violent and organized Antifa activities.

I had provided a link to BLM harassing diners in Louisville. Please find below another example from BLM's playbook. This Pittsburgh newpaper article shows BLM harassing elderly diners. Is BLM's cause so noble that it merits, them preventing other American's enjoying a simple meal with family and friends?

https://www.post-gazette.com/news/c...ners-Downtown-Pittsburgh/stories/202009150105

I anxiously await being enlightened to see The Proud Boys harassing innocent citizens in a similar manner. I will fully and without hesitation condemn them for any such activities I see with my own eyes.
I agree. Add Minneapolis, Atlanta, Chicago. LA, San Fran. St. Louis.
 
Thanks 17.

First, I appreciate your thoughtful and measured approached to controversial topics.

Second, I’m generally saddened to be criticized by Majus, HJ, Irwin for presumably opposing Israel in the recent disputes with Hamas. I don’t. But, gentle criticism of Netanyahu seems to be labeled and automatically interpreted as anti Israel. Not so.

Third, I don’t think the Proud Boys intimidate people in restaurants. Rather, I believe they are an exclusively male group who are willing to violently fight for their Right Wing version of America. Dangerous and seditious. See below.

 
Thanks 17.

First, I appreciate your thoughtful and measured approached to controversial topics.

Second, I’m generally saddened to be criticized by Majus, HJ, Irwin for presumably opposing Israel in the recent disputes with Hamas. I don’t. But, gentle criticism of Netanyahu seems to be labeled and automatically interpreted as anti Israel. Not so.

Third, I don’t think the Proud Boys intimidate people in restaurants. Rather, I believe they are an exclusively male group who are willing to violently fight for their Right Wing version of America. Dangerous and seditious. See below.

Why not be more specific? What is it about Netanyahu do you feel warrants criticism? He keeps getting Re-elected. Now I am sure he has some policies that are open to debate. All Leaders of countries have the same.
 
Thanks 17.

First, I appreciate your thoughtful and measured approached to controversial topics.

Second, I’m generally saddened to be criticized by Majus, HJ, Irwin for presumably opposing Israel in the recent disputes with Hamas. I don’t. But, gentle criticism of Netanyahu seems to be labeled and automatically interpreted as anti Israel. Not so.

Third, I don’t think the Proud Boys intimidate people in restaurants. Rather, I believe they are an exclusively male group who are willing to violently fight for their Right Wing version of America. Dangerous and seditious. See below.

It's a debate not criticism. Never personal from me.
 
It's a debate not criticism. Never personal from me.
My reservations about Netanyahu:

*his unstable political coalition (his party gets only 25-29% of the vote) pushes him to ally with right wing parties, particularly those of the ultra orthodox Haredim.
*these parties demand that he aggressively expand Israeli settlements into Palestinian neighborhoods.
*these same parties urge him to move away from traditional secular Judaism towards more strictly religious based laws.
*the anti Arab nationalism of these groups is increasingly strident
*his very close alliance with DJT alienates American Jews of whom 77% support the Dems
*he is under indictment, again, for corruption and personal bribery. Lots of smoke. Fire?
*his aggressive bombing in Gaza strengthens his political hand with his coalition. He has little incentive for peace.
 
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