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What will be the New Normal at Casinos When they Re-Open?

My wife and I lived for a short time in West Jordan back in 1987. I made that drive to Wendover. Maybe the most desolate stretch of road I've ever driven. I recall a Morton Salt plant and some odd fake Palm Tree...and that's about it, lol. I remember thinking, if my car breaks down I'm screwed...
Our first house out here was in West Jordan. That was in 1993 to 96. Definitely a boring road. Lol That palm tree looking thing is called "Metaphor: The Tree of Utah" but most out here call it The Tree of life. Whatever you do on that road it is best to resist the temptation of thinking you can drive out on the Salt Flats and make it back to the highway. Most only make it a few feet before they realize their mistake.
 
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My wife and I lived for a short time in West Jordan back in 1987. I made that drive to Wendover. Maybe the most desolate stretch of road I've ever driven. I recall a Morton Salt plant and some odd fake Palm Tree...and that's about it, lol. I remember thinking, if my car breaks down I'm screwed...

That is my favorite stretch of interstate in the USA. If you see the Bonneville Salt Flats after rain in Spring, there is a calm flat mirror of water that stretches for 20 miles. You can see the sunset, clouds, and mountains perfectly reflected in it.

The only other place I've seen like it is Uyuni in Bolivia. But I guess salt flats aren't for everyone, haha. I can understand that someone would think they're boring and desolate.

I used to live in Big Cottonwood Canyon in Utah. Stateline in Tahoe (where I live now) matches me culturally better than Utah, but I do miss the powder at Brighton and Snowbird. The Cottonwood Canyons have the best skiing in the world in my opinion.

Wendover is such a sad city. If you are looking for a better small town gambling scene that seems like you are still in the 1800s, you should check out Ely (near Great Basin NP) and Tonopah instead. They can be pretty depressing too, but I found them to be a better experience.
 
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I'm in Vegas. Casino groups station, MGM, caesaers gearing up to open.....but only some properties initially, and likely not before June 1st.

It seems like Vegas is taking the lead on this. But maybe it should be the other way around. Maybe they should experiment now with smaller gambling towns like Stateline first before they open up Vegas, which is almost guaranteed to be a $hitshow when they resume.
 
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It seems like Vegas is taking the lead on this. But maybe it should be the other way around. Maybe they should experiment now with smaller gambling towns like Stateline first before they open up Vegas, which is almost guaranteed to be a $hitshow when they resume.
AC may be opening the door quickly.
 
That is my favorite stretch of interstate in the USA. If you see the Bonneville Salt Flats after rain in Spring, there is a calm flat mirror of water that stretches for 20 miles. You can see the sunset, clouds, and mountains perfectly reflected in it.

The only other place I've seen like it is Uyuni in Bolivia. But I guess salt flats aren't for everyone, haha. I can understand that someone would think they're boring and desolate.

I used to live in Big Cottonwood Canyon in Utah. Stateline in Tahoe (where I live now) matches me culturally better than Utah, but I do miss the powder at Brighton and Snowbird. The Cottonwood Canyons have the best skiing in the world in my opinion.

Wendover is such a sad city. If you are looking for a better small town gambling scene that seems like you are still in the 1800s, you should check out Ely (near Great Basin NP) and Tonopah instead. They can be pretty depressing too, but I found them to be a better experience.
Another neat thing about the Salt Flats is how they move the sections of water around out there. On one drive there will be salt in some areas and water in others, then two weeks later it can be reversed. The actual place where they hold the land speed record events is getting so thin and soft in places that some racers are worried about the future of racing there.
 
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Another neat thing about the Salt Flats is how they move the sections of water around out there. On one drive there will be salt in some areas and water in others, then two weeks later it can be reversed. The actual place where they hold the land speed record events is getting so thin and soft in places that some racers are worried about the future of racing there.

I am glad someone else appreciates the salt flats. I know they aren't for everyone
 
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I am glad someone else appreciates the salt flats. I know they aren't for everyone
I have taken my kids dirt bike riding at Delle, at MM 70 where you can just ride and ride for miles without having to turn. It is a mix of dirt and salt flats. When that salt gets wet it is very slippery and has the consistency of wet cement.
 
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I have taken my kids dirt bike riding at Delle, at MM 70 where you can just ride and ride for miles without having to turn. It is a mix of dirt and salt flats. When that salt gets wet it is very slippery and has the consistency of wet cement.

Utah is such a great place for that kind of thing. I still drive out there a few times a year. Southern Utah has some amazing scenery and fun places to use 4x4 through the red sand.
 
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That is my favorite stretch of interstate in the USA. If you see the Bonneville Salt Flats after rain in Spring, there is a calm flat mirror of water that stretches for 20 miles. You can see the sunset, clouds, and mountains perfectly reflected in it.

The only other place I've seen like it is Uyuni in Bolivia. But I guess salt flats aren't for everyone, haha. I can understand that someone would think they're boring and desolate.

I used to live in Big Cottonwood Canyon in Utah. Stateline in Tahoe (where I live now) matches me culturally better than Utah, but I do miss the powder at Brighton and Snowbird. The Cottonwood Canyons have the best skiing in the world in my opinion.

Wendover is such a sad city. If you are looking for a better small town gambling scene that seems like you are still in the 1800s, you should check out Ely (near Great Basin NP) and Tonopah instead. They can be pretty depressing too, but I found them to be a better experience.
Great post Billy, and let me clarify, I loved the drive and marveled at the scenery and the desolation...
 
Utah is such a great place for that kind of thing. I still drive out there a few times a year. Southern Utah has some amazing scenery and fun places to use 4x4 through the red sand.
I drove on I-70 from Denver about 5 years ago into Southern Utah. Hit Bryce and Zion National parks. That Southern Utah route is one of the most gorgeous rides I'd ever been on...would love to do it on my Harley before I check out...
 
Any word on reopening?

To clarify, I'm definitely more of a skier than gambler now. So I'm not that dialed in to the scene. Stateline, NV takes in $200,000 per resident per year in gambling revenue, as an indication of how dependent we are on casinos. I'm not sure how that relates to profit or worker payment, I'm not an economist.

I used to bet millions of dollars in algorithmic sports betting on college basketball. But those days are behind me. If you search through my posts where I'm not just being an asshole to people, you will probably find a trend of me talking about Vegas odds on sports and analytics for college basketball.

The biggest issue is that the casinos cut you off after a certain amount of betting, so you are capped on how much you can make. I tried to make a massive mid-season bet on Virginia to win the national championship last year (as an example). I still won the bet obviously, but it still bothered me that they would prevent betting vs moving the odds. You can still win money, but to be profitable at gambling considering the time it takes requires you to be able to bet huge sums on your best bets, which isn't allowed unless you are betting on the NFL or something with a very liquid market.

You are investing tons of time and intellectual capability adjusting your algorithms, and it can all be ruined on someone's cousin knowing that a player was suspended for the game before the public knows.

I've moved back into starting a traditional software engineering business and I'm glad I did considering I would be broke as F if I were still betting on sports right now!
 
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To clarify, I'm definitely more of a skier than gambler now. So I'm not that dialed in to the scene. Stateline, NV takes in $200,000 per resident per year in gambling revenue, as an indication of how dependent we are on casinos. I'm not sure how that relates to profit or worker payment, I'm not an economist.

I used to bet millions of dollars in algorithmic sports betting on college basketball. But those days are behind me. If you search through my posts where I'm not just being an asshole to people, you will probably find a trend of me talking about Vegas odds on sports and analytics for college basketball.

The biggest issue is that the casinos cut you off after a certain amount of betting, so you are capped on how much you can make. I tried to make a massive mid-season bet on Virginia to win the national championship last year (as an example). I still won the bet obviously, but it still bothered me that they would prevent betting vs moving the odds. You can still win money, but to be profitable at gambling considering the time it takes requires you to be able to bet huge sums on your best bets, which isn't allowed unless you are betting on the NFL or something with a very liquid market.

You are investing tons of time and intellectual capability adjusting your algorithms, and it can all be ruined on someone's cousin knowing that a player was suspended for the game before the public knows.

I've moved back into starting a traditional software engineering business and I'm glad I did considering I would be broke as F if I were still betting on sports right now!
Very Nice.

Had a nice profitable (well into 5 figures profit each year) hobby with daily College Football Daily Fantasy until FanDuel/DraftKings stopped doing “amateur” sports. When they brought it back for the 2018 season, they added a super flex (any position, even QB) and removed TE, which killed my algorithm and leveled the playing field for average players, making it advantageous to those with large bankrolls who could enter 100-200 teams to hit those unknown cheap players who go off. My algorithm was good at finding those players, but entering only 20-30 teams couldn’t compete with all the cheap possibilities.
 
Utah is such a great place for that kind of thing. I still drive out there a few times a year. Southern Utah has some amazing scenery and fun places to use 4x4 through the red sand.
And the scenery is so different depending on which direction you go. Some places you would swear you're on another planet. Then you have Lake Powell down south, which actually has more shoreline than the State of Fla and up north there's Bear Lake, a natural beauty with water colors like you find in the Caribbean. Like you said, a great state for outdoor fun.
 
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It seems like Vegas is taking the lead on this. But maybe it should be the other way around. Maybe they should experiment now with smaller gambling towns like Stateline first before they open up Vegas, which is almost guaranteed to be a $hitshow when they resume.

I'm thinking Station casinos will open first. Places like red Rock and green green ranch. They cater more to locals anyways so it makes sense.
 
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It appears some casinos in Louisiana are opening as early as this weekend, according to the El Dorado quarterly call. They also said their plan will include preferred customers to get access during prime times (fri and sat) over others.
 
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I think we go back to normal in May. The American people recognize when they have been duped. Enough already guys. Enough. You've had your fun.
It’s now May..Once again you are wrong.....We won’t be back to “Normal “ until we get a vaccine in 12-18 months..
 
Recent piece in airline travel industry talks about a long slow recovery. Cheap tickets and deals can’t stimulate demand
 
Lots of sheep scared by the Fakenews media. Shameful.
Jon Ostrower, the editor of The Air Current, put it, “there are only two things that airlines can do to make people come back.” He explained what they would be: “One is a vaccine, so people feel safe going to the airport or sitting with 150 strangers in a plane. The other is people having the wherewithal to travel. Do you have a job? Do you have enough money that you can think of taking your family on a vacation? These are things that control the airlines’ future, and that they cannot do anything about.”

Vegas is kind of in the same boat
 
Jon Ostrower, the editor of The Air Current, put it, “there are only two things that airlines can do to make people come back.” He explained what they would be: “One is a vaccine, so people feel safe going to the airport or sitting with 150 strangers in a plane. The other is people having the wherewithal to travel. Do you have a job? Do you have enough money that you can think of taking your family on a vacation? These are things that control the airlines’ future, and that they cannot do anything about.”

Vegas is kind of in the same boat
Thank you media!
 
Recent piece in airline travel industry talks about a long slow recovery. Cheap tickets and deals can’t stimulate demand
Airline industry in bad spot. Even when recreational travel returns to normal, its likely business travel never gets back to previous levels. Too many companies realizing how much can be done remote and how inefficient it is to spend 1000s of dollars for just for someone to attend a meeting for a few hours.
 
I think the payouts with the video games, such as video poker will be considerably smaller. The prices at the eateries will be higher. It will take longer to check in & out of hotels since the front desk personnel will be greatly reduced. Management staffs will have the unenviable task of monitoring peaks & valleys on a hourly basis, at least in the early stages
 
Caesars property new protocols...

https://www.caesars.com/health-and-safety


CASINO AND GAMING

SLOTS

  • Slot machines banks have been arranged to allow for proper social distancing.
  • Machines are disinfected regularly throughout the day.
  • Hand sanitizer stations are available near slot banks.


TABLE GAMES

  • Positions will be limited at each table to allow for appropriate social distancing.
    • Three players per blackjack / pai gow / carnival game table
    • Four players per roulette / poker table
    • Six players per craps table
  • Guests will not be able to congregate behind players at a gaming table.
  • Where possible, procedures have been adjusted to allow only dealers to touch cards.
  • High touch gaming items (dice, chips, etc.) will be routinely disinfected, and cards will be refreshed more frequently.
  • Dealers will provide hand sanitizer to every arriving player.


RACE & SPORTS BOOKS

  • Chairs and tables in viewing area have been adjusted to allow for appropriate social distancing.
  • Hand sanitizer will be provided at betting stations.
 
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A post on the MB says that the Venetian sent out an E-Mail stating that they will be opening on June 1. Anybody hearing anything about this?
 
Went to the casinos just west of Salt Lake in Wendover Sunday. All 3 of the bigger casinos there were sold out for the night. Only about 10% of people were wearing a mask. Part of the reason I went was to get a bet in on the NBA championship but all sportsbooks were closed, even the kiosk betting at the Nugget, which uses William Hill Sportsbook .Won't be able to get back there until June 25, so hoping they will be open by then.
 
Went to the casinos just west of Salt Lake in Wendover Sunday. All 3 of the bigger casinos there were sold out for the night. Only about 10% of people were wearing a mask. Part of the reason I went was to get a bet in on the NBA championship but all sportsbooks were closed, even the kiosk betting at the Nugget, which uses William Hill Sportsbook .Won't be able to get back there until June 25, so hoping they will be open by then.
Sold out? Did you have to reserve a spot or something? I presume high rollers will get priority at Caesars properties like Diamond Elite and Seven Stars since we bet/play the most.
 
How will casinos handle table games like craps once they re-open? 6 feet apart won’t cut it. What will be their new normal?
Seperate crap.shooyers with big titied croupies
How will casinos handle table games like craps once they re-open? 6 feet apart won’t cut it. What will be their new normal?
Seperate crap shooters with some big titied croupiers and alchohol.
 
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That is my favorite stretch of interstate in the USA. If you see the Bonneville Salt Flats after rain in Spring, there is a calm flat mirror of water that stretches for 20 miles. You can see the sunset, clouds, and mountains perfectly reflected in it.

The only other place I've seen like it is Uyuni in Bolivia. But I guess salt flats aren't for everyone, haha. I can understand that someone would think they're boring and desolate.

I used to live in Big Cottonwood Canyon in Utah. Stateline in Tahoe (where I live now) matches me culturally better than Utah, but I do miss the powder at Brighton and Snowbird. The Cottonwood Canyons have the best skiing in the world in my opinion.

Wendover is such a sad city. If you are looking for a better small town gambling scene that seems like you are still in the 1800s, you should check out Ely (near Great Basin NP) and Tonopah instead. They can be pretty depressing too, but I found them to be a better experience.
I did some gambling in Wendover. Came away with a coffee mug with Wendover on it and basically broke even. Drove from Salt Lake to do something for the evening.
 
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Sold out? Did you have to reserve a spot or something? I presume high rollers will get priority at Caesars properties like Diamond Elite and Seven Stars since we bet/play the most.
Not sure how many true high rollers are in Wendover. Lol I looked into going on Sunday night on Sat night but didn't get a reservation. Sunday morning I decided to go for sure but my 2 favorites were sold out by then so I ended up at the Peppermill. Weird that for how crowded it was, I didn't wait at all for food Sunday night or Monday morning.
 
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