Afghanistan what complete waste of time & money

[HJCane]

Not to denigrate our troops nor the memory of those who perished but;
Within weeks of leaving Taliban has 2/3 of the country and moving towards Kabul.
TRILLIONS of dollars on a shyt country wasted
Lives of our troops thousands of our young people
What were we doing there? I thought we were training Afghans to protect themselves?
All to get the guy who masterminded 9/11 and we got him years ago
20 years in that dump.

 

[6882]

Not to denigrate our troops nor the memory of those who perished but;
Within weeks of leaving Taliban has 2/3 of the country and moving towards Kabul.
TRILLIONS of dollars on a shyt country wasted
Lives of our troops thousands of our young people
What were we doing there? I thought we were training Afghans to protect themselves?
All to get the guy who masterminded 9/11 and we got him years ago
20 years in that dump.

Last time biden was in office he let isis take over Iraq. This go around, in less than one year he let hammas take over iran and the taliban take over Afghanistan. Our boarder is a free for all and instead of being self sufficiant on oil like we were prior to him, we rely on these same middle east countries for it. He’s on a roll. Unemployment at an all time high as well as crime too at an all time high. He’s on a roll! Can’t wait to see what the next three years he has in store for us have.

 

[remma]

He’s on a roll! Can’t wait to see what the next three years he has in store for us have.

But...........but................He and his administration is completely and solely responsible for the latest jobs report, or so I have been told by some people on this board

If the report had been bad, it was because of Trump and COVID, if Trump was in office and the same report had come out it would be attributed to the country and economy coming out of lockdown

 

[grbcane]

I was going to start my own thread. This is a great article, and there is plenty of blame to go around.

Do we ever learn from our mistakes?

Why do we keep our blind faith in the government that it’s being honest with us?

This alone shows we should have a healthy skepticism when the government forces a narrative.

Why Afghanistan Is Falling to the Taliban So Fast

The U.S. should have admitted the truth long ago and ended the war even before the conclusion of the Bush administration.

www.19fortyfive.com

 

[BreakingCane]

Not to denigrate our troops nor the memory of those who perished but;
Within weeks of leaving Taliban has 2/3 of the country and moving towards Kabul.
TRILLIONS of dollars on a shyt country wasted
Lives of our troops thousands of our young people
What were we doing there? I thought we were training Afghans to protect themselves?
All to get the guy who masterminded 9/11 and we got him years ago
20 years in that dump.

In all fairness didn’t Trump want the same departure? Neither he or Biden had a good plan. Should have left a fully staffed Air Force base there like we did in Germany and Japan as a strategic regional asset.

 

[grbcane]

In all fairness didn’t Trump want the same departure? Neither he or Biden had a good plan. Should have left a fully staffed Air Force base there like we did in Germany and Japan as a strategic regional asset.

This article shows where Biden is at fault, but we should have been out twenty years ago. The article I posted above is a great read.

Pompeo: Biden failing to execute Afghan withdrawal, Trump warned Taliban of consequences





https://www.foxnews.com/media/pompe...thdrawal-trump-warned-taliban-of-consequences





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[Raoul2]

Not to denigrate our troops nor the memory of those who perished but;
Within weeks of leaving Taliban has 2/3 of the country and moving towards Kabul.
TRILLIONS of dollars on a shyt country wasted
Lives of our troops thousands of our young people
What were we doing there? I thought we were training Afghans to protect themselves?
All to get the guy who masterminded 9/11 and we got him years ago
20 years in that dump.

The purpose was to expel Al-Qaeda, who were using Afghanistan as a free haven from which to plot terror attacks in the west, and if possible eliminate their leadership. We did most of that pretty quickly after going in, and also dismantled the Taliban regime. The downside is that we had to then stay in the country and try to rehabilitate it as a Democracy to prevent groups like the Taliban from coming back and turning it into a more modern version of what Afghanistan was in the 90s. That part failed, mainly because the Taliban simply set up in Pakistan, and waged a low intensity cross border insurgency, with the knowledge that we wouldn't stick around permanently, at which point they could come back and take over again. That's what is happening now.

 

[klbcec]

Last time biden was in office he let isis take over Iraq. This go around, in less than one year he let hammas take over iran and the taliban take over Afghanistan. Our boarder is a free for all and instead of being self sufficiant on oil like we were prior to him, we rely on these same middle east countries for it. He’s on a roll. Unemployment at an all time high as well as crime too at an all time high. He’s on a roll! Can’t wait to see what the next three years he has in store for us have.

You know the US is gonna export more oil this year than last? Andt he price increase supply issue is due to the oil market crash due to Covid?

U.S. will import 62% more crude by 2022 due to domestic production declines, says EIA

The U.S. Energy Information Administration expects that the United States will import more crude oil to fill the widening gap between refinery inputs of crude oil and domestic crude oil production in 2021 and 2022.

www.worldoil.com

Here is the real story:

"Compared with crude oil trade, net exports of refined petroleum products did not change as much during 2020. On an annual average basis, U.S. net petroleum product exports—distillate fuel oil, hydrocarbon gas liquids, and motor gasoline, among others—averaged 3.2 million b/d in 2019 and 3.4 million b/d in 2020. EIA forecasts that net petroleum product exports will average 3.5 million b/d in 2021 and 3.9 million b/d in 2022 as global demand for petroleum products continues to increase from its recent low point in the first half of 2020.

EIA expects that the United States will import more crude oil to fill the widening gap between refinery inputs of crude oil and domestic crude oil production in 2021 and 2022. U.S. crude oil production declined by an estimated 0.9 million b/d (8%) to 11.3 million b/d in 2020 because of well curtailment and a drop in drilling activity related to low crude oil prices.

EIA expects the rising price of crude oil, which started in the fourth quarter of 2020, will contribute to more U.S. crude oil production later this year. EIA forecasts monthly domestic crude oil production will reach 11.3 million b/d by the end of 2021 and 11.9 million b/d by the end of 2022. These values are increases from the most recent monthly average of 11.1 million b/d in November 2020 (based on data in EIA’s Petroleum Supply Monthly) but still lower than the previous peak of 12.9 million b/d in November 2019."

 

[klbcec]

This article shows where Biden is at fault, but we should have been out twenty years ago. The article I posted above is a great read.

Pompeo: Biden failing to execute Afghan withdrawal, Trump warned Taliban of consequences





https://www.foxnews.com/media/pompe...thdrawal-trump-warned-taliban-of-consequences





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Seems like the Pubs are hoping Americans die so they can pin it on Biden. Seems like they should wait to see how this plays out before calling this Saigon.

 

[grbcane]

The purpose was to expel Al-Qaeda, who were using Afghanistan as a free haven from which to plot terror attacks in the west, and if possible eliminate their leadership. We did most of that pretty quickly after going in, and also dismantled the Taliban regime. The downside is that we had to then stay in the country and try to rehabilitate it as a Democracy to prevent groups like the Taliban from coming back and turning it into a more modern version of what Afghanistan was in the 90s. That part failed, mainly because the Taliban simply set up in Pakistan, and waged a low intensity cross border insurgency, with the knowledge that we wouldn't stick around permanently, at which point they could come back and take over again. That's what is happening now.

I definitely agree with the gist of your post, we should have begun withdrawing in the last couple of years of Bush’s presidency.

 

[grbcane]

Seems like the Pubs are hoping Americans die so they can pin it on Biden. Seems like they should wait to see how this plays out before calling this Saigon.

Wow, thats some deep thinking, but we all caught a break. You normally give us thirty paragraphs with the same result.

 

[canam1965]

Two things here fella's.........OIL and OPIUM

 

[grbcane]

We forget how much the military industrial complex is at play here, certain people make a lot of money from war. Unfortunately IMO most Washington Generals have a higher loyalty to the military industrial complex than anything else. I’m so tired of endless wars with no exit strategy.

 

[Raoul2]

We forget how much the military industrial complex is at play here, certain people make a lot of money from war. Unfortunately IMO most Washington Generals have a higher loyalty to the military industrial complex than anything else. I’m so tired of endless wars with no exit strategy.

That happens even when we're not at war. DoD is very reliant on contractors to do everything these days, which is a consequence of the post cold war military drawdowns, the BRACking of bases, etc., to where we are incredibly reliant on private industry to provide solutions for military problems, in areas that were traditionally run by the military during the cold war.

 

[central17]

We forget how much the military industrial complex is at play here, certain people make a lot of money from war. Unfortunately IMO most Washington Generals have a higher loyalty to the military industrial complex than anything else. I’m so tired of endless wars with no exit strategy.

Thank you for posting what I was thinking. Of course Biden has royaly screwed what is left of the pooch, but Trump, Obama and Bush all deserve blame. How many American lives were sacrified so that many politicians and politically connected swampers could rake in billions. What was the cost per life? I seem to remember a woman's studies in Afghanistan carve out in the first Biden Covid relief bill.

The really sick thing is the media's cutesy bi colored maps showing Taliban vs, government territory. Same concept as they use for state voting trends. However for each new Taliban shaded area they do not tell the true human story of Afghan's being murdered by the Taliban. The Taliban doesn't waste time with prisons. The Me Too media is too busy patting itself on the back for saving a few NY government women from a grab on the ass by a gross old man (Coumo). Meanwhile thousands of Afghan women are being gang raped by the Taliban then stoned to death for being impure. You hear nothing from Me Too, pSAKi or the Squad worrying about the fate of Afghan women.

 

[HJCane]

In all fairness didn’t Trump want the same departure? Neither he or Biden had a good plan. Should have left a fully staffed Air Force base there like we did in Germany and Japan as a strategic regional asset.

Yes. I made no mention of any particular administration.

 

[HJCane]

The purpose was to expel Al-Qaeda, who were using Afghanistan as a free haven from which to plot terror attacks in the west, and if possible eliminate their leadership. We did most of that pretty quickly after going in, and also dismantled the Taliban regime. The downside is that we had to then stay in the country and try to rehabilitate it as a Democracy to prevent groups like the Taliban from coming back and turning it into a more modern version of what Afghanistan was in the 90s. That part failed, mainly because the Taliban simply set up in Pakistan, and waged a low intensity cross border insurgency, with the knowledge that we wouldn't stick around permanently, at which point they could come back and take over again. That's what is happening now.

Same thing as Vietnam. Chinese backed forces using Cambodia and Laos as staging points. Can't win like that.

 

[HJCane]

Seems like the Pubs are hoping Americans die so they can pin it on Biden. Seems like they should wait to see how this plays out before calling this Saigon.

What's different?

 

[NO.SHORECANE]

Shouldn't have snuck out of Bagram in the middle of the night. Now we are actually begging Taliban not to attack our embassy.

 

[doerunn]

Shouldn't have snuck out of Bagram in the middle of the night. Now we are actually begging Taliban not to attack our embassy.

And actually trying to pay them not to. What a pos we have in the white house.

 

[rkrantz]

Not to denigrate our troops nor the memory of those who perished but;
Within weeks of leaving Taliban has 2/3 of the country and moving towards Kabul.
TRILLIONS of dollars on a shyt country wasted
Lives of our troops thousands of our young people
What were we doing there? I thought we were training Afghans to protect themselves?
All to get the guy who masterminded 9/11 and we got him years ago
20 years in that dump.

Seriously... a complete and total lack of thought to what consequences this move might have.

I remember Trump wanting to withdraw all the troops from Afghanistan too. After hearing advice from his JCOS's and military commanders he decided against it, probably because ALL OF THEM said that "...if we withdraw from Afghanistan now, the Taliban will seize control of the country within 4-6 weeks..."

Trump, being a smart man, understood that if the Taliban seizes control of the country again, the chances of terrorist attacks on America and Americans would significantly increase. Now, the Taliban has a country of their own to recruit, train and plan attacks from instead of hiding in their caves like they had been for the last 20 years.

The fact that we are coming up on the 20 year anniversary of 9/11 is a literal slap in the face to every single man and woman who served in Afghanistan to try and achieve the goals that were attained over a 20 year span, as well as defecates on the memory of those who lost their lives trying to secure the safety for the country, and as an extension... America and Americans.

I'm anxious to know what the liberal cucks on this site think about this move by Biden. I'm sure they will use the same talking points as Jumble Joe did. "... they have to want to fight for themselves...", "... we're still gonna support them with air support and supply lines..." "... we can't do it for them, they have to want it for themselves..."

While I agree with that sentiment when it comes to training football players or teaching a kid to play piano or do their math homework...

IT DOES NOT WORK WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SIMPLE PEOPLE WITH NO DEFENSES AGAINST TERRORISTS.

I hope everyone is preparing themselves for another catastrophic run of terrorist plots and attacks now that Bumbling Biden has given the Taliban this wonderful opportunity to organize and kill Americans. Not only will it be easier for the terrorists to campaign, train and plan attacks in their home country... but with the US Southern border WIDE ****ING OPEN for the wolves to come in... God help us all.

But... this move falls perfectly in line with the new Socialist/Communist/Liberal/Democrats plan to completely and totally DESTROY America as we once knew it.

Just racking up the scoreboard.

 

[JCR Cane]

There's a reason that Afghanistan is known as the "Graveyard of Empires." Their inhabitants play the L O N G game....amongst the rocks.

 

[BreakingCane]

Oops!

 

[cems52]

Not to denigrate our troops nor the memory of those who perished but;
Within weeks of leaving Taliban has 2/3 of the country and moving towards Kabul.
TRILLIONS of dollars on a shyt country wasted
Lives of our troops thousands of our young people
What were we doing there? I thought we were training Afghans to protect themselves?
All to get the guy who masterminded 9/11 and we got him years ago
20 years in that dump.

Have to agree with you. If we spent another 20 years there, same outcome. Democracy is something you want not forced upon. These people folded the moment the US left.

 

[grbcane]

There's a reason that Afghanistan is known as the "Graveyard of Empires." Their inhabitants play the L O N G game....amongst the rocks.

They say Americans have the watches , but we have the time.

 

[miamimike]

Last time biden was in office he let isis take over Iraq. This go around, in less than one year he let hammas take over iran and the taliban take over Afghanistan. Our boarder is a free for all and instead of being self sufficiant on oil like we were prior to him, we rely on these same middle east countries for it. He’s on a roll. Unemployment at an all time high as well as crime too at an all time high. He’s on a roll! Can’t wait to see what the next three years he has in store for us have.

Let the Taliban take over Afghanistan? What's your solution? Stay another 20 years?

 

[BreakingCane]

Let the Taliban take over Afghanistan? What's your solution? Stay another 20 years?

How long did we keep a presence in Germany, South Korea, Japan? There is alright way to do things. Should have kept an AFB with a forward operations command there to stage ops from in the future if needed.

 

[NO.SHORECANE]

How long did we keep a presence in Germany, South Korea, Japan? There is alright way to do things. Should have kept an AFB with a forward operations command there to stage ops from in the future if needed.

Exactly. Now Al Queda and Isis have a free incubation space.

 

[grbcane]

 

[grbcane]

This a former Washington general.

 

[miamimike]

How long did we keep a presence in Germany, South Korea, Japan? There is alright way to do things. Should have kept an AFB with a forward operations command there to stage ops from in the future if needed.

How do we keep the AFB from being overrun like the rest of the country?

 

[BreakingCane]

How do we keep the AFB from being overrun like the rest of the country?

You claim to have been in the military, now I don’t believe you.

 

[miamimike]

You claim to have been in the military, now I don’t believe you.

It was your suggestion so answer the question.

 

[6882]

Let the Taliban take over Afghanistan? What's your solution? Stay another 20 years?

Option 1) Stop screwing around and send a message so dramatic that even the thought of us returning keeps them from thinking twice

option 2) stay there indefinitely

option 3) do what we’re doing and just except more attacks like the one on 911 as the usual.

option 4) pay them not to hurt us so that they can in turn fund their terrorist allies to hurt us if not just carry out more acts of terror them selves. Not to mention we’d then be incentivizing terrorism.

fact, we don’t have a border. Fact we know these terrorists want to inflict as much terror on the US as they can.

This is the reality of the situation.

 

[miamimike]

Option 1) Stop screwing around and send a message so dramatic that even the thought of us returning keeps them from thinking twice

option 2) stay there indefinitely

option 3) do what we’re doing and just except more attacks like the one on 911 as the usual.

option 4) pay them not to hurt us so that they can in turn fund their terrorist allies to hurt us if not just carry out more acts of terror them selves. Not to mention we’d then be incentivizing terrorism.

fact, we don’t have a border. Fact we know these terrorists want to inflict as much terror on the US as they can.

This is the reality of the situation.

The reality of the situation is that we never should have stayed there in the first place. The Soviets learned that lesson over thirty years ago.

 

[6882]

The reality of the situation is that we never should have stayed there in the first place. The Soviets learned that lesson over thirty years ago.

Or bill c and co could have just taken out bin laden when he had the chance and wiped the **** out of these mother ****ers when he had the chance but instead he tried to play nice and be diplomatic and now we have a world wide shit show. Fast forward, it’s the same thing all over again and just like the last time you have biden that said dont go after bin laden when we did, saying dont go after the Taliban now. Worthless foreign policy. How can you even look at our border and say our country is secure? Who ever wants in is here.

if it’s their kids that they’re using as shields as opppse to my kids that i’m just trying to take to disney land… i reserve the right to live and if it takes turning a bunch of enablers, terrorists sympathizers, apologists etc into examples that so be it. Make an example of it. Birds of feathers flack together. Kill the flock.

there are so many opportunities for these mid east countries to flourish. All they have to do is stop being war mongers. Until then its war. Get out of the way and help or get killed.

i have zero sympathy for these roach’s that celebrated 911 and the holocaust. If they were in our position our country would be a parking lot. Why are we even listening to them at this point?

i’m sick of this we’re ok with you killing some of ours if you’re ok with killing some of yours narrative. If you kill these guys we’ll come out on record as not being ok with it and threaten potential sanctions unless of course you kidnapp our soldiers than we’ll reward you. It’s bull shit. Squash them and it’s over.

i swear to god if some of you would have been in charge during ww2, the nazi’s would have taken over. The atom bomb happened. A lot of people died. Let’s not make it be for nothing or rather the need for it again.

 

[HJCane]

Shouldn't have snuck out of Bagram in the middle of the night. Now we are actually begging Taliban not to attack our embassy.

begging, how pathetic

 

[HJCane]

Everyone forgets how we win wars. The way to win a war is to OBLITERATE the enemy in every way but these days we announce what day we are bombing so as to minimize collateral damage like women and children. That's not how wars are won. I know that's harsh but true. The Taliban can not be defeated because right across the border and throughout the Middle East are people who want to live in the stone ages under strict Islamic Rules. So basically, there is a never ending supply of these people. We even saw Americans go there and Europeans thinking it would be cool to join in.

 

[BreakingCane]

It was your suggestion so answer the question.

It’s called basic security defense. Fences (something your ilk can’t comprehend) work with other means. So obtuse. Ramstein and other AFB were protected.

 

[miamimike]

It’s called basic security defense. Fences (something your ilk can’t comprehend) work with other means. So obtuse. Ramstein and other AFB were protected.

It's called being on an island surrounded by shark infested water with no means of escape.