Russia - Ukraine, why should we care?

[ZEKEMUG]

Not "fixed" our election but gave Trump an assist to win. Check your history.

Amazing how you have the proof of Russian Collusion with Trump and Mueller couldn’t find it. Now Durham finding Hillary and Dems behind it. BTW during the election it was found Russia worked both sides just to get fools like yourself worked up. CEMS please explain to me the benefits of having sanctions against Russia while buying oil from them at the same time. Oil that we could produce here.

 

[cems52]

Amazing how you have the proof of Russian Collusion with Trump and Mueller couldn’t find it. Now Durham finding Hillary and Dems behind it. BTW during the election it was found Russia worked both sides just to get fools like yourself worked up.

So you admit Putin helped Trump? Also, that Durham filing you claim has the goods on Hillary and Dems is more evidence of your inability to comprehend legal documents. Stop pretending you know what you're talking about. You don't.

 

[ZEKEMUG]

So you admit Putin helped Trump? Also, that Durham filing you claim has the goods on Hillary and Dems is more evidence of your inability to comprehend legal documents. Stop pretending you know what you're talking about. You don't.

Learn to read you dope. Saying the Russians used social media for both parties does not equate to the Russians helped Trump. Their goal was to hurt confidence in the electoral process. Since you’re such a history buff maybe you can help me out. Which party was in office the last time Putin invaded a country ?

 

[cems52]

Learn to read you dope. Saying the Russians used social media for both parties does not equate to the Russians helped Trump. Their goal was to hurt confidence in the electoral process. Since you’re such a history buff maybe you can help me out. Which party was in office the last time Putin invaded a country ?

Not sure what your last question has to do with our discussion. More proof you don't read very well. You're quite gullible if you think Trump wasn't a favorite son of the Kremlin. Keep your head in the sand.

 

[Tiv]

Not a drop of US blood or treasure should be lost over the Ukraine-Russia conflict. The only thing we can be sure of is that neither political party nor the US media is telling the entire truth.

What we do know is that it is a conflict between two corrupt eastern European neighbors.
We also know Hunter Biden and "the big guy" received millions into their personal bank accounts from both sides.
We know that the people handling this situation are the same people that surrendered to the Taliban in Afghanistan.
We know those same people have turned a blind eye as Afghans have been slaughtered and its entire female population turned into little more than sex slaves.
We know Putin has nukes.
We know that Putin is making more money every day as the price of oil skyrockets.
We know that under Biden the US is no longer energy independent, no less not being able to sell to the Europeans.
We know Biden does not care about the sovereignty of the US southern border.

Now as to the "invation" of Ukrainian sovereign territory
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/2/5/ukraine-who-controls-what
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/22/putin-gets-green-light-to-deploy-troops-to-eastern-ukraine

When choosing to find information from sources other than NYT, WAPO, CNN and Fox it is amazing what you can learn. Sad when Al Jazeera is a more trusted source of information than NBC. Listen to MSM and you would think Cuba had invaded Jamaica. But it turns out that the Donbas region, while officially part of Ukraine has been autonomous for several years. The people in the region do not want to be ruled by Ukraine. They have much more affinity for Russia.

Frankly I am sick of being told we should care about either place. Both are corrupt. Neither is worth a penny more a gallon to me. It appears this entire situation is going to end up like Crimea several years ago. The Crimeans appear OK to be part of Russia. Happier than most Canadians are to be ruled by Comrade Trudeau. It would not surprise me if more people are killed in Chicago this weekend than all month by the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Certainly there will be more Fentanyl related deaths from "Southern Border Drug Cartel Inc." than this neighborhood squabble.

Other than the Russian Nukes, why should US citizens care? Is this just a "wag the dog" to deflect attention from the horrific Biden economy?

This is not about Ukraine. This is all about Putin and his deranged ambitions. He wants to put back the old Soviet Union. If we don't stop him now then he will go into Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia and other NATO countries. This will trigger World War 111 with nuclear powers on both sides. That's the last thing anybody wants.

We are the leader of NATO and there is such a thing as Article 5. Which means and attack on one NATO country is an attack on all 30. We need to stop this madman now before he even thinks about invading a NATO country.

But Biden has completely blown it. Russia began amassing troops along the Ukrainian border last March and Biden did nothing about it. Then in July Putin wrote his manifesto, which in effect was to reform the Soviet Union, and no one paid attention.

And Biden has only sent defensive weapons to Ukraine and very few of them. He needs to send a lot more weapons including offensive weapons. Although it might be too little too late now.

And the sanctions he has imposed on Russia are weak and may not take effect for more than a month. Even Biden admitted this yesterday. Unbelievable. He needs to cut off Russia's oil and gas supply but is too cowardly to do it. Same old Biden.

 

[central17]

This is not about Ukraine. This is all about Putin and his deranged ambitions. He wants to put back the old Soviet Union. If we don't stop him now then he will go into Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia and other NATO countries. This will trigger World War 111 with nuclear powers on both sides. That's the last thing anybody wants.

We are the leader of NATO and there is such a thing as Article 5. Which means and attack on one NATO country is an attack on all 30. We need to stop this madman now before he even thinks about invading a NATO country.

But Biden has completely blown it. Russia began amassing troops along the Ukrainian border last March and Biden did nothing about it. Then in July Putin wrote his manifesto, which in effect was to reform the Soviet Union, and no one paid attention.

And Biden has only sent defensive weapons to Ukraine and very few of them. He needs to send a lot more weapons including offensive weapons. Although it might be too little too late now.

And the sanctions he has imposed on Russia are weak and may not take effect for more than a month. Even Biden admitted this yesterday. Unbelievable. He needs to cut off Russia's oil and gas supply but is too cowardly to do it. Same old Biden.

It is too late to send weapons. If Biden had cared about Ukraine, he and Obama would have told their government to quit the corruption, grow up and be a real country in the early 2010's. Instead he wanted Hunter to get a seat at the gravy train. It is sad because Ukraine has outstanding natural resources, hard working citizens and a corrupt government. Sounds a lot like Biden's America. China is watching!

 

[cortez55403]

This is not about Ukraine. This is all about Putin and his deranged ambitions. He wants to put back the old Soviet Union. If we don't stop him now then he will go into Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia and other NATO countries. This will trigger World War 111 with nuclear powers on both sides. That's the last thing anybody wants.

We are the leader of NATO and there is such a thing as Article 5. Which means and attack on one NATO country is an attack on all 30. We need to stop this madman now before he even thinks about invading a NATO country.

But Biden has completely blown it. Russia began amassing troops along the Ukrainian border last March and Biden did nothing about it. Then in July Putin wrote his manifesto, which in effect was to reform the Soviet Union, and no one paid attention.

And Biden has only sent defensive weapons to Ukraine and very few of them. He needs to send a lot more weapons including offensive weapons. Although it might be too little too late now.

And the sanctions he has imposed on Russia are weak and may not take effect for more than a month. Even Biden admitted this yesterday. Unbelievable. He needs to cut off Russia's oil and gas supply but is too cowardly to do it. Same old Biden.

Tiv, cc to 17:

I understand your criticism of Biden and agree in part. But, I must insert that DJT would have done much less than Biden has done. Why?

Trump’s “America First” slogan is a neo-isolationist, non intervention policy. NFW would he have confronted his good friend Putin. Fuggitaboutit.

So, have at it at Biden. But, don’t pretend that the prior administration would have been more vigilant or aggressive. Would not have happened.

 

[miamimike]

This is not about Ukraine. This is all about Putin and his deranged ambitions. He wants to put back the old Soviet Union. If we don't stop him now then he will go into Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia and other NATO countries. This will trigger World War 111 with nuclear powers on both sides. That's the last thing anybody wants.

We are the leader of NATO and there is such a thing as Article 5. Which means and attack on one NATO country is an attack on all 30. We need to stop this madman now before he even thinks about invading a NATO country.

But Biden has completely blown it. Russia began amassing troops along the Ukrainian border last March and Biden did nothing about it. Then in July Putin wrote his manifesto, which in effect was to reform the Soviet Union, and no one paid attention.

And Biden has only sent defensive weapons to Ukraine and very few of them. He needs to send a lot more weapons including offensive weapons. Although it might be too little too late now.

And the sanctions he has imposed on Russia are weak and may not take effect for more than a month. Even Biden admitted this yesterday. Unbelievable. He needs to cut off Russia's oil and gas supply but is too cowardly to do it. Same old Biden.

"Russia began amassing troops along the Ukrainian border last March and Biden did nothing about it". What do you suggest he should have done? Ukraine is not a NATO member. Ukraine did not ask for assistance. Russian troops had not crossed the Ukraine border. Biden had no reason to get involved.

 

[vivijane]

Putin doesn’t want a war with the USA.
Actually he was about to do a major deal with Exxon before the 2016 hysteria, then they backed off
He does want to create a buffer between the west ( NATO ) and Russia
Didn’t we almost go to war back in 1962 ( I remember ) when the Soviets were going to place Nukes in Cuba ? Russia has the same objection.
Crimea is gone , no getting that back for Ukraine. It’s people are mostly Russian
The two regions Russia is now claiming is also mostly Russian, the exact boundaries will be negotiated.
But all this is not our concern.
Putin has this view that three countries, Ukraine, Belo Russia and Russia are all derived from the same people, the ancient Rus . The languages and customs are very similar. Nikita Khrushchev was in born right outside Ukraine and grew up in the Donbass .

Putin is convinced that having Ukraine as a NATO member and US ally is not in his best interest.
We can continue to dismiss his views as extreme and outlandish. His weapons and delivery systems for those weapons are not outlandish
He’s a tough guy , a brute , hard nosed , but dismissing him would be a big mistake

Well written , you are as old as me.......

Putin is old time KGB.......more than anything he is telling Ukraine to not cozy up with the US......

 

[cems52]

It is too late to send weapons. If Biden had cared about Ukraine, he and Obama would have told their government to quit the corruption, grow up and be a real country in the early 2010's. Instead he wanted Hunter to get a seat at the gravy train. It is sad because Ukraine has outstanding natural resources, hard working citizens and a corrupt government. Sounds a lot like Biden's America. China is watching!

Thank God Trump didn't get his wish to withhold weapons from Ukraine.

 

[cems52]

"Russia began amassing troops along the Ukrainian border last March and Biden did nothing about it". What do you suggest he should have done? Ukraine is not a NATO member. Ukraine did not ask for assistance. Russian troops had not crossed the Ukraine border. Biden had no reason to get involved.

Can't wait for his response, if he has the balls to show his face again.

 

[miamimike]

Well written , you are as old as me.......

Putin is old time KGB.......more than anything he is telling Ukraine to not cozy up with the US......

More than anything, he wants to bolster his legacy by reclaiming lost Soviet territory. His problem is that he has to occupy Ukraine or lose control as soon as his troops leave.

 

[Tiv]

"Russia began amassing troops along the Ukrainian border last March and Biden did nothing about it". What do you suggest he should have done? Ukraine is not a NATO member. Ukraine did not ask for assistance. Russian troops had not crossed the Ukraine border. Biden had no reason to get involved.

Ukraine may not be a NATO member but is one of our allies. Remember that an expansionist Russia annexed Crimea from Ukraine in 2014 and invaded Georgia in 2008. Putin is pure evil and Russia and China are our biggest adversaries.

When Russia began amassing troops along the Ukrainian border last year Biden should have been sending weapons to Ukraine at that point so the Ukrainian people could defend themselves. Lots of weapons. Ukraine DID ask for assistance from the West. He didn't hand out sanctions against Russia until they invaded Ukraine this week. He and the rest of NATO should have sanctioned Russia and Putin 3 months ago.

If Biden and the rest of NATO had done those 2 things it probably would have deterred a Russian invasion.

 

[Tiv]

Thank God Trump didn't get his wish to withhold weapons from Ukraine.

Russia NEVER tried to invade Ukraine or any other country under Trump. Not even close. Biden's disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan emboldened Putin to invade Ukraine.

Putin saw nothing but weakness in Biden.

 

[Tiv]

Tiv, cc to 17:

I understand your criticism of Biden and agree in part. But, I must insert that DJT would have done much less than Biden has done. Why?

Trump’s “America First” slogan is a neo-isolationist, non intervention policy. NFW would he have confronted his good friend Putin. Fuggitaboutit.

So, have at it at Biden. But, don’t pretend that the prior administration would have been more vigilant or aggressive. Would not have happened.

Putin never tried to invade Ukraine or any other country under Trump. He respected Trump. Obviously Putin has no respect whatsoever for Biden. He sees him as a very weak leader.

 

[miamimike]

Putin never tried to invade Ukraine or any other country under Trump. He respected Trump. Obviously Putin has no respect whatsoever for Biden. He sees him as a very weak leader.

Putin never respected Trump. He referred to Trump as "my useful idiot"!

 

[cortez55403]

Putin never tried to invade Ukraine or any other country under Trump. He respected Trump. Obviously Putin has no respect whatsoever for Biden. He sees him as a very weak leader.

No doubt, Putin probably sees Biden as a weak leader. I’m guessing he thinks the same of Boris in the Uk and what’s his name in Germany.

But to say “he respected Trump“ is a real stretch. Rather, he supported and Trump to undermine the NATO alliance. Trump spent his time in NATO bemoaning the $ costs absorbed by the US rather than leading an aggressive NATO determined to protect its members. By plying that disruptive role, Trump was Putin’s “useful idiot” as Mike mentioned above. . He still is.

Respect? No way Putin respects Trump.

 

[miamimike]

Ukraine may not be a NATO member but is one of our allies. Remember that an expansionist Russia annexed Crimea from Ukraine in 2014 and invaded Georgia in 2008. Putin is pure evil and Russia and China are our biggest adversaries.

When Russia began amassing troops along the Ukrainian border last year Biden should have been sending weapons to Ukraine at that point so the Ukrainian people could defend themselves. Lots of weapons. Ukraine DID ask for assistance from the West. He didn't hand out sanctions against Russia until they invaded Ukraine this week. He and the rest of NATO should have sanctioned Russia and Putin 3 months ago.

If Biden and the rest of NATO had done those 2 things it probably would have deterred a Russian invasion.

On March 4, 2014 the U.S. pledged 1 billion in aid to Ukraine and nothing would have deterred a Russian invasion. This is all about Putin trying to bolster his legacy by reclaiming lost Soviet territory.

 

[miamimike]

Amazing how you have the proof of Russian Collusion with Trump and Mueller couldn’t find it. Now Durham finding Hillary and Dems behind it. BTW during the election it was found Russia worked both sides just to get fools like yourself worked up. CEMS please explain to me the benefits of having sanctions against Russia while buying oil from them at the same time. Oil that we could produce here.

The vast majority of our oil is bought from Canada and most of the oil that U.S. refiners buy from Russia is fuel oil not rude oil which is used to produce gasoline.

 

[ddimaggio]

Let’s be clear about Trump - facts not fake news from MSLSD or CNN
1) be never weakened NATO , his objective was to increase revenue by having others meet their obligations
2) he never withheld arms for Ukraine, unlike Obama/ Brandon who sent blankets, he sent real weapons
3) his recent comments about Putin were not praise , they were fact. He said Putin is cunning and skilled and is out maneuvering Brandon , who had thus far had very little ability to thwart Putin.
4) He derided the Germans for funding Putin through massive purchases of Petroleum products

As to what Brandon could have done to prevent the invasion? He could have increased military aid sooner and most importantly driven down the cost of oil by ramping up domestic production . Instead he listened to the radicals and went to war on domestic oil exploration, production and transmission
Dick Durban , a real moron , said today that Brandon was balancing Climate change with the Sanction response . Whatever that means
To me it means that the Ukrainian people are being hammered because we refused to produce an alternative to Russian oil and gas ⛽️. Europe is refusing harsh sanctions because they are stuck.
Maybe the Ukrainians can wait 40 years when alternative energy is available.
Probably not

 

[central17]

On March 4, 2014 the U.S. pledged 1 billion in aid to Ukraine and nothing would have deterred a Russian invasion. This is all about Putin trying to bolster his legacy by reclaiming lost Soviet territory.

A significant % of that money went to Hunter Biden and the big guy. Does that not bother you?

 

[cortez55403]

A significant % of that money went to Hunter Biden and the big guy. Does that not bother you?

c’mon 17. More Financial conspiracy theories. Gotta move on to more complex and nuanced thoughts.

 

[cems52]

Russia NEVER tried to invade Ukraine or any other country under Trump. Not even close. Biden's disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan emboldened Putin to invade Ukraine.

Putin saw nothing but weakness in Biden.

And the world saw Trump as a corrupt POS who bowed to Putin's demands. The chickens have come home to roost for this treasonous American.

 

[central17]

c’mon 17. More Financial conspiracy theories. Gotta move on to more complex and nuanced thoughts.

FACT's
In Trump's 4 years as President Russian did not invade Ukraine
When Trump left office the US was energy independent
When Trump left office the US exported oil and gas to Europe
With Biden as president the US now imports oil from Russian and other countries
Since Biden energy policies went into place International energy prices have risen dramatically
Since Biden came into office US retail gas prices have risen from approximately $2.00/gal. to $3.50/gal.
Since Biden came into office Europe has increased oil and gas imports from Russia
Russia/Putin have greatly benefited financially from increasing oil and gas prices
Biden has had 13 months to improve Ukraines military defenses, He has done what he has done
Since Biden came into office Russia and China have improved relations
Hunter Biden received millions from both Ukraine and Russia.
Under Biden's presidency the US surrendered to the Taliban and fled the country.
The Biden government left approx $80B of military equipment in Afghanistan
When Trump left office, the US had a friendly government in Afghanistan and was keeping the Taliban in check.
With Biden as President Russian/Putin has invaded Ukraine

OPINIONS
Cortez believes that Putin did not respect Trump
Cortez believes that Biden is a tougher adversary to Putin than Trump was
Cortez believes that Putin would have invaded Ukraine if Trump had been re elected
Cortez thinks that money has little or nothing to do with Putin's actions
Cortez says the situation would be have been worse if Trump was President in 2022.

Cortez, facts carry a far greater weight than opinions. It is my opinion that your general hatred of Trump clouds your judgement to the point that you are putting greater credence on your opinions than the facts at hand. I frankly do not see any facts that support your opinions.
What say you?

 

[Allied2651]

17, Allied and 6882,

You three ably represent the two wings of the GOP on foreign affairs:

17 and Allied: we have no business conflicting w Russia over Ukraine

6882: Appease Putin now and we will have bigger conflicts with Russia in the future

I did say that if a NATO country is invaded, all bets are off.

 

[vivijane]

No doubt, Putin probably sees Biden as a weak leader. I’m guessing he thinks the same of Boris in the Uk and what’s his name in Germany.

But to say “he respected Trump“ is a real stretch. Rather, he supported and Trump to undermine the NATO alliance. Trump spent his time in NATO bemoaning the $ costs absorbed by the US rather than leading an aggressive NATO determined to protect its members. By plying that disruptive role, Trump was Putin’s “useful idiot” as Mike mentioned above. . He still is.

Respect? No way Putin respects Trump.

FACT's
In Trump's 4 years as President Russian did not invade Ukraine
When Trump left office the US was energy independent
When Trump left office the US exported oil and gas to Europe
With Biden as president the US now imports oil from Russian and other countries
Since Biden energy policies went into place International energy prices have risen dramatically
Since Biden came into office US retail gas prices have risen from approximately $2.00/gal. to $3.50/gal.
Since Biden came into office Europe has increased oil and gas imports from Russia
Russia/Putin have greatly benefited financially from increasing oil and gas prices
Biden has had 13 months to improve Ukraines military defenses, He has done what he has done
Since Biden came into office Russia and China have improved relations
Hunter Biden received millions from both Ukraine and Russia.
Under Biden's presidency the US surrendered to the Taliban and fled the country.
The Biden government left approx $80B of military equipment in Afghanistan
When Trump left office, the US had a friendly government in Afghanistan and was keeping the Taliban in check.
With Biden as President Russian/Putin has invaded Ukraine

OPINIONS
Cortez believes that Putin did not respect Trump
Cortez believes that Biden is a tougher adversary to Putin than Trump was
Cortez believes that Putin would have invaded Ukraine if Trump had been re elected
Cortez thinks that money has little or nothing to do with Putin's actions
Cortez says the situation would be have been worse if Trump was President in 2022.

Cortez, facts carry a far greater weight than opinions. It is my opinion that your general hatred of Trump clouds your judgement to the point that you are putting greater credence on your opinions than the facts at hand. I frankly do not see any facts that support your opinions.
What say you?

12 round fight...

1st round knockout....

Central17.....

 

[cems52]

FACT's
In Trump's 4 years as President Russian did not invade Ukraine
When Trump left office the US was energy independent
When Trump left office the US exported oil and gas to Europe
With Biden as president the US now imports oil from Russian and other countries
Since Biden energy policies went into place International energy prices have risen dramatically
Since Biden came into office US retail gas prices have risen from approximately $2.00/gal. to $3.50/gal.
Since Biden came into office Europe has increased oil and gas imports from Russia
Russia/Putin have greatly benefited financially from increasing oil and gas prices
Biden has had 13 months to improve Ukraines military defenses, He has done what he has done
Since Biden came into office Russia and China have improved relations
Hunter Biden received millions from both Ukraine and Russia.
Under Biden's presidency the US surrendered to the Taliban and fled the country.
The Biden government left approx $80B of military equipment in Afghanistan
When Trump left office, the US had a friendly government in Afghanistan and was keeping the Taliban in check.
With Biden as President Russian/Putin has invaded Ukraine

OPINIONS
Cortez believes that Putin did not respect Trump
Cortez believes that Biden is a tougher adversary to Putin than Trump was
Cortez believes that Putin would have invaded Ukraine if Trump had been re elected
Cortez thinks that money has little or nothing to do with Putin's actions
Cortez says the situation would be have been worse if Trump was President in 2022.

Cortez, facts carry a far greater weight than opinions. It is my opinion that your general hatred of Trump clouds your judgement to the point that you are putting greater credence on your opinions than the facts at hand. I frankly do not see any facts that support your opinions.
What say you?

Do you know what this statement means?

"When Trump left office the US was energy independent"

We aren't energy independent, even while Trump was in office. We currently get 50% of our oil imports from Canada. Please explain why you lied in your post?

 

[KOWBOY88]

Do you know what this statement means?

"When Trump left office the US was energy independent"

We aren't energy independent, even while Trump was in office. We currently get 50% of our oil imports from Canada. Please explain why you lied in your post?

It’s called trade deals with your allies we’ve never kept all the oil we drill in the states there’s this thing called the free market. Sort of like you buy California oranges in Florida and vise versa. And when you’re in a global market you want other countries in the game. When there’s more competition prices go down. When you allow bad characters to control the energy market you pay more at the pump and then your vulnerable to them controlling the life blood of the economy. Ask yourself this cems if solar and wind were even close to your competitive with fossil fuel then China wouldn’t just make all the solar panels in the world for all these dreamers they would make them for themselves.
The European Union and the liberals here are clueless give up your energy sources for a new green energy and because it’s too expensive to make the parts in Europe or the states
We make China rich because they use cheap ass slave labor so now you’re dependent on China for your earth saving power and in the meantime your dependent on Russia and the cartels in opec for the only reliable source, oil . Come on man dig a little deeper. As much research you do so you can trash Trump and republicans do a little bit more so your actually find out the truth for yourself.

 

[6882]

17, Allied and 6882,

You three ably represent the two wings of the GOP on foreign affairs:

17 and Allied: we have no business conflicting w Russia over Ukraine

6882: Appease Putin now and we will have bigger conflicts with Russia in the future

You summed up my approach to the tee. I’m a jew but an American first and I’ve read my history books and know how this goes. It might not be a nato problem today but it will be tomorrow if the civilized world doesn’t act according militarily today. We don’t want another world war. This can be nipped in the bud today.

problem is there isn’t enough leadership in the civilized world any more. We both know this is going to turn into a whole let’s make a deal approach. Russia can have some of ukrain and we’ll all give you our lunch money and you promise not to invade any more countries for a while. Then a few years will go by and we’ll all take the same approach again. Ukraine, Georgia, krimea. He’s not going to stop and is just growing in power and resources. He has plans.

 

[cems52]

It’s called trade deals with your allies we’ve never kept all the oil we drill in the states there’s this thing called the free market. Sort of like you buy California oranges in Florida and vise versa. And when you’re in a global market you want other countries in the game. When there’s more competition prices go down. When you allow bad characters to control the energy market you pay more at the pump and then your vulnerable to them controlling the life blood of the economy. Ask yourself this cems if solar and wind were even close to your competitive with fossil fuel then China wouldn’t just make all the solar panels in the world for all these dreamers they would make them for themselves.
The European Union and the liberals here are clueless give up your energy sources for a new green energy and because it’s too expensive to make the parts in Europe or the states
We make China rich because they use cheap ass slave labor so now you’re dependent on China for your earth saving power and in the meantime your dependent on Russia and the cartels in opec for the only reliable source, oil . Come on man dig a little deeper. As much research you do so you can trash Trump and republicans do a little bit more so your actually find out the truth for yourself.

You obviously have no clue that statement was part of a bigger discussion which had nothing to do with your post. Please read the poster's original post which contained that sentence. Otherwise, I will not waste my time responding to nonsense.

 

[cortez55403]

FACT's
In Trump's 4 years as President Russian did not invade Ukraine
When Trump left office the US was energy independent
When Trump left office the US exported oil and gas to Europe
With Biden as president the US now imports oil from Russian and other countries
Since Biden energy policies went into place International energy prices have risen dramatically
Since Biden came into office US retail gas prices have risen from approximately $2.00/gal. to $3.50/gal.
Since Biden came into office Europe has increased oil and gas imports from Russia
Russia/Putin have greatly benefited financially from increasing oil and gas prices
Biden has had 13 months to improve Ukraines military defenses, He has done what he has done
Since Biden came into office Russia and China have improved relations
Hunter Biden received millions from both Ukraine and Russia.
Under Biden's presidency the US surrendered to the Taliban and fled the country.
The Biden government left approx $80B of military equipment in Afghanistan
When Trump left office, the US had a friendly government in Afghanistan and was keeping the Taliban in check.
With Biden as President Russian/Putin has invaded Ukraine

OPINIONS
Cortez believes that Putin did not respect Trump
Cortez believes that Biden is a tougher adversary to Putin than Trump was
Cortez believes that Putin would have invaded Ukraine if Trump had been re elected
Cortez thinks that money has little or nothing to do with Putin's actions
Cortez says the situation would be have been worse if Trump was President in 2022.

Cortez, facts carry a far greater weight than opinions. It is my opinion that your general hatred of Trump clouds your judgement to the point that you are putting greater credence on your opinions than the facts at hand. I frankly do not see any facts that support your opinions.
What say you?

Yes, those are my opinions and they are directly related to the mess in the Ukraine. Your long litany of what you call “facts” have nothing to do with Russia’s invasion. They are a grab bag of your problems with Biden and ongoing obsession with Hunter.

The key facts are: Trump weakened the NATO alliance. Trump deferred to Putin. I will agree that Biden’s disastrous exit from Afghanistan further pointed to American weakness. With this background, it was reasonable of Putin to assume that neither the US nor NATO would stand up to him in a unified way. He was wrong. He also has no domestic Russian support for his invasion. As a result, he has become an international criminal and shaky leader of Russia.

 

[Tiv]

Putin never respected Trump. He referred to Trump as "my useful idiot"!

Not true. Trump heavily sanctioned Putin and Russia for violating several treaties.

If Putin saw Trump as his "useful idiot" he would have invaded several countries. But that never happened. When Putin sees weakness he attacks. He sees weakness in Biden.

 

[Tiv]

And the world saw Trump as a corrupt POS who bowed to Putin's demands. The chickens have come home to roost for this treasonous American.

What demands? Please tell me what demands Trumps bowed down to? Instead he heavily sanctioned Putin for violating several treaties.

Biden made millions of $$$ through his son Hunter who had corrupt dealings with Russia, China and Ukraine among other countries. That's when Joe was Vice - President. But the corrupt and dishonest media doesn't want to cover such dealings. They protect Joe at every cost. Several books have been written about his.

Again what demands?

 

[Tiv]

On March 4, 2014 the U.S. pledged 1 billion in aid to Ukraine and nothing would have deterred a Russian invasion. This is all about Putin trying to bolster his legacy by reclaiming lost Soviet territory.

On March 4, 2014 the U.S. pledged 1 billion in aid to Ukraine and nothing would have deterred a Russian invasion. This is all about Putin trying to bolster his legacy by reclaiming lost Soviet territory.

From 2014 - 16 Obama provided Ukraine with $600 million in military and security aid but not lethal weapons. And the Ukrainian president asked for lethal weapons. He didn't get them.

That was after Russia annexed Crimea. Of course Putin wants to put back together the old Soviet Union. He's made that clear. He must be deterred. That's why Biden should have sent Ukraine a lot more weapons much earlier. That might have deterred the Soviet invasion we are all witnessing right now.

Russia started amassing troops on the Ukrainian border last March. That's when Biden should have started sending lethal weapons, lots of them, to Ukraine. But he didn't. Biden also said that a small incursion into Ukraine would be no big deal. That along with the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan is what emboldened Putin to invade Ukraine.

 

[ddimaggio]

What demands? Please tell me what demands Trumps bowed down to? Instead he heavily sanctioned Putin for violating several treaties.

Biden made millions of $$$ through his son Hunter who had corrupt dealings with Russia, China and Ukraine among other countries. That's when Joe was Vice - President. But the corrupt and dishonest media doesn't want to cover such dealings. They protect Joe at every cost. Several books have been written about his.

Again what demands?

CEMs ain’t a bad dude
He just buys into the spin spewed by the liberal media .
They came up with this canard about Trump and Putin, and pushed the farce that Trump wasn’t tough on Russia. He did want to improve relations with Russia, which is a good thing , a very good thing . A direct military confrontation with Russia by the USA could mean the destruction of mankind as we know it .

We allowed the Russians to invigorate their economy after driving them to virtual poverty under Reagan. As long as there is an international market for oil they will continue to thrive economically.

 

[central17]

Gentlemen,
Just a couple things to remember in regards to Russia.
1) Russia has nukes, lots of them. Actually heard a pundit saying Putin should be captured,tried as a war criminal and executed. uh, ok, so there is nothing to worry about that a cornered Putin might do something horrible?.
2) Russia have gotten a lot closer with China quickly. The implications of this are not just military, but economic. China may want Russia to be part of their umbrella. China immediately has agreed to purchase much of Russia's probable lost sales to the west due to sanctions.
3) In the short term, Russia can strangle much of Europe's energy supply. This would likely put Europe in an immediate recession. After two Covid years there is only so much resiliency left. The sanctions and threat of war might hurt Europe worse than Russia. Especially Eastern Europe.

This escalated quickly. The problem is the Biden Administration is completely over its head at this global level. I do have to give Joe credit that he has said that he understands involvement of US troops starts WW3. Hopefully "they" don't overrule him.

 

[lyndiola]

I see 5 triggers that empowered Putin:
1: While I agreed with my Indian brothers that cancelling Keystone because it endangers Native lands, the timing was terrible. It was done to appease idiotic progressives, not because Indian rights. It's hard to believe, almost inconceivable, that a year ago we were energy independent, now we buy oil from Putin.
2. Biden has shown zero strength at home or abroad
3. Approving the pipeline was an obvious signal to Putin
4. The "small incursion" comment was an OK for Putin to attack at will
5 Biden's failure to act when Putin first stacked troops at the border made sanctions too late

Any suggestion that Trump showed any weakness regarding Russia is pure fiction. This is Bumbling Joe's creation

 

[wake4law_cane4life]

Any attempt to excuse the actions of Putin here is derangement . This is an invasion of a Sovereign country. KVIV is a beautiful city. Now there are explosions going on there tonight. After his statement of 2 days ago the Balkan States under NATO could be threatened. This is serious stuff and shouldn't be minimized.
Europe has been weakened by leftist government as we have here. We have generals more concerned about rainbow flags and pregnant jumpsuits than protecting the country. Putin knows it and and its why he is making his move. Russia will have mass executions of Ukraine's political leaders they will usurp the country economically like they did under Stalin. Its a bad scene and anyone thinking its no big deal are dead wrong.

Thank you for saying this man. Truly. I was reading these comments and was like wtf how could our politics be leading to this level of insanity. The fact that not enough people have cared to take this dude seriously for the last several decades is why we're here. It's time to wake the F up. I bet a lot of the people making these comments Wednesday feel very stupid right now. If they don't, they have some kind of moral or mental vacancy. This is going to continue to get uglier and uglier. The more Ukraine succeeds at holding them off the worse it may be even. Russia is going to start using thermobaric rockets and potentially even WMDs if they feel they're on the verge of losing it. This is bad bad bad. I don't agree with your assessment of our military leadership, I think our military continues to be the most fearsome and capable fighting force the world has ever seen. But for real I wanna let you know I appreciated this post overall a lot. I think it is the only post on politics that you and I have agreed with but you came out loud and clear and cut through the BS on this. Well done man.

 

[grbcane]

17, Allied and 6882,

You three ably represent the two wings of the GOP on foreign affairs:

17 and Allied: we have no business conflicting w Russia over Ukraine

6882: Appease Putin now and we will have bigger conflicts with Russia in the future

We appeased Russia when Biden shut down the Keystone pipeline and approved the Nord Stream 2 pipeline. Thanks Joe Biden we love paying Russia to invade Ukraine.

 

[ZEKEMUG]

The vast majority of our oil is bought from Canada and most of the oil that U.S. refiners buy from Russia is fuel oil not rude oil which is used to produce gasoline.

So gas prices aren’t going to rise and Putin doesn’t get profits to finance invasion.

In 2021, Russia accounted for 21% of all U.S. gasoline imports, with Canada second at 17%. By value, Russian imports increased 71.05%, which is slightly less than gasoline imports from the world, which increased 80.53%. The Russian total was $12.78 billion.