The Best Explaination of the Keystone Pipeline I have seen online.....

[KOWBOY88]

The alternative method of transportation is railroad, not trucks. As I pointed out earlier - rail and pipeline offer the same risk levels on spills.

All of this is of course irrelevant since the pipeline is dead.

n every year from 2003 to 2013, pipelines experienced fewer occurrences per million barrels of oil equivalent transported than did rail. Overall in this period, rail experienced 0.227 occurrences per million barrels of oil equivalent transported compared to 0.049 for pipelines.

This means that rail is more than 4.5 times more likely to experience an occurrence.
Once again you are wrong stop listening to the people that are going to profit from other sources and don’t care about our economy or the citizens of this country. Some of you guys on here need to study economics,
here’s a basic lesson it’s called supply and demand the lower the supply higher the cost the lower the demand the lower the cost .
Pretty basic if we stop producing what the whole world wants somebody else will
And if you tell them don’t use oil it’s bad use ______ instead but it cost more and you won’t notice a difference. Good fn luck with that .

 

[HJCane]

Yeah, because clearly everything has come so easily for us. We never had to worry about anything in our lives ever with our priviledge...smdh. It's life. I can't speak for them but I would be surprised if they have gone their entire lives without having to redefine themselves. That's what is called life.

Don't know your life story and you don't know the story of the people who just lost their jobs either. That was my point.........................It isn't right.

 

[HJCane]

They said the same thing when the combustion engine was invented. Look how that turned out? Start now and when our grandkids become old like us their kids will have a better planet. Don't you want that?

No conservatives want a worse planet. That is what you fools believe correct?

 

[HJCane]

Except for the fact that railways create carbon emissions dumbass
And operating costs are higher if it was the same or cheaper the companies wouldn’t be wanting to build a pipeline. You do seem like you do your research but you gotta quit looking at research that’s funded by the people that want to eliminate the pipeline and look at Independant research.
It’s just like the so called experts that come up with all this climate change info , be smarter that them they hire scientists and researchers to prove their point not to find the truth. I don’t get it how a lot of people believe everything anyone tells them about an issue without realizing the people they believe are paid by or positioned to profit from the alternative. They could care less about the climate they want to make money .

Your railways are owned by George Soros he has donated millions of dollars to get people elected so they can cater to him .
As far as we’re moving away from oil don’t kid yourself.
oil has a lot more uses than moving your car from point a to point b
Actually coal is the most used product for energy around the world in 2014 over 40% of the world’s energy was produced by coal good luck getting all those countries to use anything else anytime soon.
Oil is always going to be needed for so many things
Many of our personal care products are derived from petroleum including perfume, hair dye, cosmetics (lipstick, makeup, foundation, eyeshadow, mascara, eyeliner), hand lotion, toothpaste, soap, shaving cream, deodorant, panty hose, combs, shampoo, eyeglasses, and contact lenses.
You people think oil is only for combustion engines need to get your head out of your arse
Actually as far as electricity goes less than 10% of our electricity is produced with oil

Further the Keystone XL pipeline transports sticky tar oil shale a very unique and difficult oil to mine for. It was a more direct efficient path to the refineries in Texas. Canada is not happy as it is their oil.

 

[HJCane]

n every year from 2003 to 2013, pipelines experienced fewer occurrences per million barrels of oil equivalent transported than did rail. Overall in this period, rail experienced 0.227 occurrences per million barrels of oil equivalent transported compared to 0.049 for pipelines.

This means that rail is more than 4.5 times more likely to experience an occurrence.
Once again you are wrong stop listening to the people that are going to profit from other sources and don’t care about our economy or the citizens of this country. Some of you guys on here need to study economics,
here’s a basic lesson it’s called supply and demand the lower the supply higher the cost the lower the demand the lower the cost .
Pretty basic if we stop producing what the whole world wants somebody else will
And if you tell them don’t use oil it’s bad use ______ instead but it cost more and you won’t notice a difference. Good fn luck with that .

They don't tell us about all the mishaps that trains carrying oil suffer and trains carrying oil take up "track space" meaning trains carrying other goods have less routes available on those train tracks.

 

[HJCane]

This is a lame analogy. Come again.

Struck a nerve didn't it?

 

[HJCane]

That says all you need to know about the future of fossil fuels.

No it tells you all you need to know about the private sector vs Federal Gov't

 

[ibis1]

Why so angry ?

Industries are always in flux when new technologies become available, and workers always adapt by cross training from the old into the new. This is no different.

Why can't people on welfare cross train and get these jobs then🤡

 

[cdwright40]

Don't know your life story and you don't know the story of the people who just lost their jobs either. That was my point.........................It isn't right.

It's not supposed to be right. It's supposed to be life. They aren't any different than any other time a job is shipped over seas or a machine has replaced them. This is simple evolution and you have to adapt.

 

[cems52]

No it tells you all you need to know about the private sector vs Federal Gov't

Stop with your constant bashing of the federal government. It was the federal government that took us to the moon and beyond. It was the federal government that got us the nuclear bomb.

 

[cems52]

Struck a nerve didn't it?

Not really. Trump being elected in 2016 with the help of Russians struck a nerve. See the difference?

 

[Raoul2]

No it tells you all you need to know about the private sector vs Federal Gov't

To be fair, this seems to be an accurate characterization of your own understanding of the matter.

 

[cdwright40]

Stop with your constant bashing of the federal government. It was the federal government that took us to the moon and beyond. It was the federal government that got us the nuclear bomb.

These people hate government and then wonder why I don't want to vote for them to run it...lol. That has always been the strangest thing to me. The funny thing is the internet that provides the platform for them to spew this was funded by the government.

 

[HJCane]

Or better yet, just look at what Trump's trade war with China did to American farmers.

You are such a fool. Our farmers were being taken advantage of with closed trade with China and other countries while America was allowing the same goods to flow to our country. All he did was punish those claiming to want free trade but in reality they did not. Short term pain for long term gain. Another liberal fantasy that somehow trade is free and equal. He used tariff money to supplement farmers and farmers supported him 75%. You guys think we can just get shyt on and all is ok.

 

[HJCane]

Stop with your constant bashing of the federal government. It was the federal government that took us to the moon and beyond. It was the federal government that got us the nuclear bomb.

No it was scientists and mathematicians. Federal Gov't just put up money.

 

[HJCane]

Not really. Trump being elected in 2016 with the help of Russians struck a nerve. See the difference?

Russians? You really are a brain washed fool dude.

 

[cems52]

No conservatives want a worse planet. That is what you fools believe correct?

Isn't that what y'all stand for? Check this out.

The Trump administration has frequently targeted regulations governing the production and use of fossil fuels. For example, the administration rolled back regulations on airborne emissions of mercury, a potent neurotoxin, and other toxic substances from power plants and reduced regulation of the disposal and storage of coal ash, a residue from coal combustion that contains mercury, arsenic, and other toxins that has caused water pollution during releases. Both changes were part of President Trump’s effort to fulfill his campaign promise to revive the U.S. coal industry. However, coal used in power generation in 2019 was down 22% from 2016, the year before President Trump took office. Coal’s decline is due to fierce competition from inexpensive natural gas, not regulation.

 

[Raoul2]

You are such a fool. Our farmers were being taken advantage of with closed trade with China and other countries while America was allowing the same goods to flow to our country. All he did was punish those claiming to want free trade but in reality they did not. Short term pain for long term gain. Another liberal fantasy that somehow trade is free and equal. He used tariff money to supplement farmers and farmers supported him 75%. You guys think we can just get shyt on and all is ok.

Except, as with anything involving Trump, there is no long term gain. There is only short term day trading to make him look good on the evening news, followed by a painful unraveling once Trump forgets about the issue or leaves the scene. Thanks to Trump, these farmers quickly discovered their crops and profits were about as valuable as a degree from Trump University.

Oh and any right winger moaning about socialism, should probably take a look at Trump's actions with US farmers.

 

[cems52]

Oil is only used to provide less than 10% of electricity in USA your clean energy won’t make plastics and synthetics and cosmetics and on and on and on you oli hating people are so clueless about all the products that you use all day long are produced from oil , even if we go 100 % electric vehicles we still need oil.

No one is advocating eliminating plastics, synthetics or cosmetics. Where did you see that? Stay focused.

 

[Raoul2]

Another example of a Trump day trading scam that collapsed once the cameras stopped rolling.

 

[Raoul2]

No one is advocating eliminating plastics, synthetics or cosmetics. Where did you see that? Stay focused.

LOL. Beware of late night rage posters with bad grammar.

 

[cems52]

Russians? You really are a brain washed fool dude.

Actually, you watching Fox Fake News, NewsMax and being a follower of QaNon has fried your brain.

 

[cems52]

No it was scientists and mathematicians. Federal Gov't just put up money.

Ahhh....last I checked, NASA was/is a federal agency. Think before you open your pie hole.

 

[CaneBandit]

No it was scientists and mathematicians. Federal Gov't just put up money.

These people don’t know how the federal government’s military-industrial complex works. There are a few books on this if they care to learn facts over their rhetoric.

 

[cems52]

The crap these Republicans spew on this site further proves their level of intelligence being on par with that ex-president. Smh

 

[CaneBandit]

The crap these Republicans spew on this site further proves their level of intelligence being on par with that ex-president. Smh

You sound triggered. How is your echo chamber?

 

[Raoul2]

Ahhh....last I checked, NASA was/is a federal agency. Think before you open your pie hole.

I believe this is the same guy who lauded Trump (aka "the Government") for fast tracking the COVID vaccine.

 

[cdwright40]

You are such a fool. Our farmers were being taken advantage of with closed trade with China and other countries while America was allowing the same goods to flow to our country. All he did was punish those claiming to want free trade but in reality they did not. Short term pain for long term gain. Another liberal fantasy that somehow trade is free and equal. He used tariff money to supplement farmers and farmers supported him 75%. You guys think we can just get shyt on and all is ok.

Our farmers are relying on food stamps because of Trumps tariffs. You are trying to have it both ways. You can't come here talking about free trade and then give handouts as a solution.

 

[central17]

That's the other thing. I'm not convinced you know the meaning of socialism or capitalism at all based on your response here. It's at minimum not a good understanding of them. None of what I said has anything to do with either. You imply that leadership only can come from government agencies here. I never said or implied this. I don't think we are not using wood burning stoves because of the government. We have better technology now. Government just plays a role. It doesn't control how you bake your food. Government will never do that here. Republicans just like to imply that government is interested interested in this because they live thier through fear. Fear of anything different. Fear of people. Fear of change. Fear that they won't enjoy privilege awarded though years of inequality. Fear of competition. Fear overall.

BTW your talking points on jobs is also wrong. First of all these jobs will be replaced with higher paying jobs. Second of all we are talking about a thousand jobs.... not jobs that have yet to be offered.

CD, You wrote above:
That's the other thing. I'm not convinced you know the meaning of socialism or capitalism at all based on your response here. It's at minimum not a good understanding of them.

Below you may read the definitions that I have been taught and use within discussions:

Capitalism
An economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

Socialism
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
· (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.

Communism
Communism is a philosophical, social, political and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of a communist society, namely a socioeconomic order structured upon the ideas of common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money and the state

You can verify these definitions on page 1 of a Google look up. These are the classic definitions that I was taught in grade school, high school, college and Masters degree. Apparently you have a differing understanding Once again, I respectfully ask you to expound upon your definition of the three systems. I remain very curious.

 

[central17]

Why can't people on welfare cross train and get these jobs then🤡

That sir, might be the most salient question on this board all year.
Maybe John Kerry can answer it? from his private jet, or his yacht while sailing in a no wind turbine zone.

 

[HJCane]

Actually, you watching Fox Fake News, NewsMax and being a follower of QaNon has fried your brain.

Actually none of the above is true except Fox news but I generally watch FOX business cause I like Maria Bartiroma.

 

[cdwright40]

CD, You wrote above:
That's the other thing. I'm not convinced you know the meaning of socialism or capitalism at all based on your response here. It's at minimum not a good understanding of them.

Below you may read the definitions that I have been taught and use within discussions:

Capitalism
An economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

Socialism
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
· (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.

Communism
Communism is a philosophical, social, political and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of a communist society, namely a socioeconomic order structured upon the ideas of common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money and the state

You can verify these definitions on page 1 of a Google look up. These are the classic definitions that I was taught in grade school, high school, college and Masters degree. Apparently you have a differing understanding Once again, I respectfully ask you to expound upon your definition of the three systems. I remain very curious.

No need for me to expound. Standing by my comments. Based on your own definitions my comments stand on thier own merit because I never said anything about any community controlling anything. I said technology drives the market. I never said anything about any community driving it.

 

[cems52]

Actually none of the above is true except Fox news but I generally watch FOX business cause I like Maria Bartiroma.

You want to hit that?

 

[Raoul2]

You want to hit that?

She's one of the three people being sued for being a liar on Trump's behalf during the elections.

 

[cems52]

She's one of the three people being sued for being a liar on Trump's behalf during the elections.

I wonder why Fox didn't fire her?

 

[Raoul2]

I wonder why Fox didn't fire her?

It may still happen. Dobbs was the worst of the group, but she's not far behind.

 

[cems52]

It may still happen. Dobbs was the worst of the group, but she's not far behind.

This litigant stands to reap millions from Fox. I hope they go hard at Rudy.

 

[central17]

No need for me to expound. Standing by my comments. Based on your own definitions my comments stand on thier own merit because I never said anything about any community controlling anything. I said technology drives the market. I never said anything about any community driving it.

Who cancelled the Keystone Pipeline?

I don't think it was private companies choosing to shutdown. Was it done by private enterprise or the federal government?.

Please answer the question, maybe I missed something? Maybe the pipeline companies changed their mind. Please send me facts to that extent and I will aplaud you.

 

[KOWBOY88]

The crap these Republicans spew on this site further proves their level of intelligence being on par with that ex-president. Smh

How hard is it for you to “smh” while it’s so far up your ass

 

[cdwright40]

Who cancelled the Keystone Pipeline?

I don't think it was private companies choosing to shutdown. Was it done by private enterprise or the federal government?.

Please answer the question, maybe I missed something? Maybe the pipeline companies changed their mind. Please send me facts to that extent and I will aplaud you.

You did miss something. A president making such a decision has about as much to do with socialism as what Bree Olson does has to do with acting. Just because a company is private they don't get carte blanche to do whatever they please in this country.

That's not socialism. Again...you are grossly miss interpreting the term.