THE LIST: Here Are 10 Ways the 2020 Presidential Election Was Obviously Stolen That Were Ignored by Media
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It doesn't matter who did or didn't steal the 2020 election so get over it. The real focus should be on this year's election, 2024 and beyond. Need to implement voter ID... screw the phony voting rights bill; without ID and a way to control and monitor mail-in ballots, the bill is useless. Here in NH, we have to show a valid ID to vote. No one complains and in 2020 we had more people vote than ever before.
Yesterday's battles? Common Cortez, are you talking about Nancy's January 6th commission again?
Desperation at its finest. All this nonsense was refuted by the courts and the American people. None of your "evidence" proved a single ballot from drop boxes or mail in ballots were fraud. I am certain some of these issues your right wing opinion writer wrote were present in states Trump won. Care to inspect those ballots?
I have always felt Trump's margin of victory in Florida was suspicious compared to 2016. Any chance your right wing friends had a hand in stealing Florida from Biden? Or is election fraud beneath Republicans?
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all the usual blue candidates...California, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts Nwe York, Virginia and several more.
I'm sure if your party lost you could come up with 100 more. The problem is none if this stands up in court. Not even the courts with the judges appointed by your own party. So, at the end of the day it is just a bunch of whiney lil biatches mad they lost an election. Get over it like you told the rest of us when Hillary lost no?
Your response shows how uninformed you are about such matters. Here's how it works in Florida and I suspect most states.
First and foremost you as a registered voter has to request a ballot. You can request the ballot by fax, online email or phone. When your ballot comes in there is a signature validation. If there is a mismatch an attempt is made to contact the voter for verification.
There maybe exceptions to how mail in ballots are received but in the end there is a signature verification.
Stop spreading misinformation!!
The way we do things work just fine when your guy wins I bet....LOL. If your guy loses, then it's time to make wholesale changes. I wish some of you conspiracy people would do (3) things.
1. SELL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ON WHY WE SHOULD VOTE FOR YOU WITH YOUR POLICIES!!!
The way our government is supposed to work is you have to convince the majority of its citizens why we should vote for you and not the other guy. What is going on right now is a effort on a large scale to insure elections are won with voting maps and conspiracy theories. This has become acceptable to people who waive around the constitution which I find very odd. The constitution is of the people, by the people and for the people. Not just the people you like or deem worthy to vote.
2. PLEASE STOP WITH ALL OF THE CONSPIRACIES. YOU LOST!
These ideas are for people of privileges' because they never had to work for anything in their life based on their own abilities. They are used to having things handed to them and when something isn't handed to them you need to find an outrageous excuse.
3. VETTE YOUR OFFICIALS YOU NOMINATE YOURSELVES PROPERLY!
Way too many Republicans in offices just are not equipped to hold political office. Just voting the party line is not enough. These people are criminals and I have the investigation results to prove it.
1. SELL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ON WHY WE SHOULD VOTE FOR YOU WITH YOUR POLICIES!!!
The way our government is supposed to work is you have to convince the majority of its citizens why we should vote for you and not the other guy. What is going on right now is a effort on a large scale to insure elections are won with voting maps and conspiracy theories. This has become acceptable to people who waive around the constitution which I find very odd. The constitution is of the people, by the people and for the people. Not just the people you like or deem worthy to vote.
2. PLEASE STOP WITH ALL OF THE CONSPIRACIES. YOU LOST!
These ideas are for people of privileges' because they never had to work for anything in their life based on their own abilities. They are used to having things handed to them and when something isn't handed to them you need to find an outrageous excuse.
3. VETTE YOUR OFFICIALS YOU NOMINATE YOURSELVES PROPERLY!
Way too many Republicans in offices just are not equipped to hold political office. Just voting the party line is not enough. These people are criminals and I have the investigation results to prove it.
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cems,
True story. Have a friend in Florida. Over ten years ago his sister and brother in law moved to the state and moved in with him for a couple of years. They registered to vote using his address and requested ballots by mail. A couple years later they moved to an adjacent county. Their mail ballots continued to come to his address. As he was an R and they were a D, he took great pride in filling out and mailing their ballots with his choices. His sister and brother in law were politically vocal so it was highly likely they did register in their new county of residence. That brings up another set of questions not to be addressed in this post.
Your post mentioned signature validation (verification is the correct term). That is not an absolute technology. The verification can be set to various levels of confidence. Most legal proceding would require a 90% level of confidence for the verification. However to use that level for voting would probably have over 50% of the ballots flagged for not matching. Democrat election officials have consistently reduced the level of signature verification confidence settings on the software. In many urban areas is has been set for less than 40% confidence. Basically spelling the name on the ballot correctly will be accepted at those levels.
This is why voting onsite with ID in hand is still the most trusted method. Where there are holes in the system, motivated political activists will find them and abuse them. And when we move to political operatives "helping" by picking up ballots and delivering them to precints run by political operatives without a two party audit of each ballot. The signature validation is useless. Especially if the person checking just agrees with every vote for the candidate of their choice and throws out ballots of those that do not "vote correctly".
That my friend is true information. The cheating can be done by either side. Just remember, one false vote steals the vote of another honest voter.
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The idea that voting for anyone or anything is going to be absolutely free of errors is a bit ridiculous. It's not absolute when Republicans win an election either. It's not absolute when democrats win. The percentage of errors is so small it is just insignificant and they offset each other because these errors will benefit either party. You are not going to avoid all errors. That's like saying okay so Georgia beat Alabama in the national championship but there was a call that was in error that favored Georgia in the first quarter by the official. So that means Georgias win is illegitimate right? Alabama was the real winner so we should give them the championship. It's ridiculous.
Cems, you're getting senile. This is the question you asked me, "Show me a state where a valid ID is not required to vote?" I gave you several examples. What don't you understand?
And you can't read. My response to Central provided facts around how the mail in ballot process works not lies that insinuate all Blue states allow fraudulent ballots.
So Cortez humor me and answer 1 simple question;
Did NUMEROUS States allow FORMS of voting NOT passed by their Legislature and were never allowed before?
Just answer that question if you would kindly.
First, you don't know if your friend's fake ballots were counted due to signature validation. Based on my experience as an IT person, there is highly reliable software available for doing this job accurately. Get with the times and let people vote.
1. I assume but have not researched that several states amended voting procedures due to Covid…eg cuz people not wanting to vote in person; shortage of volunteers at polling locations.
2. I do not believe that these amendments increased voter fraud or had ANY effect on election results. The GOP attorney General and 60+ court cases confirm this conclusion.
Answer 1 simple question, HJ: do you believe the election was stolen from DJT?
you are so blind and deaf. I merely picked the 4 biggest states than have no ID requirement and they just happened to be blue. You are so uptight and sensitive about any comment you deem to be right leaning; think you need to go out back and kick the crap out of your dog.
You are correct about not knowing about my friends vote. Although that would be a crime and likely especially in that it was in a Blue county. Do you KNOW that there were not truckloads of fraudulent blue ballots counted and boxes of likely red ballots conveniently "lost"?
As to the signature verification SW, I owned a company that installed many elections systems. The signature verification software is certainly capable of distinguishing at a 90%+ surety, but only if set to a high level of verification. Again, a 40% verification level is less than 50-50%. Many democrat elections officials reduced the surety threshold. Kind of like hooking up an 8K TV to rabbit ears, tuning to a far away over air channel, then wondering why you don't have a great picture.
I liked your analogy with the rabbit ears but the rest......100% right wing talking points.
For years democrat's said there was ZERO voter fraud. Then it became NOT ENOUGH TO CHANGE THE OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION. Several US house seats were won be less than a thousand votes. I thought every vote was to be counted - ZERO exceptions? Would it be OK if the bombs were set off in just a few precincts?. It wouldn't be that many voters that were prevented from voting. Until true steps like use of blockchain technology are put in place and voter fraud is prosecuted, especially of elections officials, there are going to valid concerns about election integrity.
And as to your football example, was Terry Porter an "acceptable level of error"?
Damn cems, that is the first step towards a middle ground I've seen from you in months. Maybe there is hope for some bipartisanship
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There is ZERO voter fraud. Please understand what you are saying here. Fraud is completely different than what examples you are offering. That isn't voter "fraud". This stuff is silly. It equates to rounding errors. You don't see democracs organizing to steal votes. That's just so stupid to even suggest that. You have people that are not honest who do fraud in both parties. Actually, you see it more on the republican side than the democrats. Someone was charged for this a couple weeks or so ago. I posted it here. That's not "Republicans" and voter fraud. That's just some asshole trying to steal votes. So what? The system accounts for this. Nobody is winning or losing elections because of it.
The court cases you cite were never heard on the merits of the cases including the Supreme Court cases. Most were dismissed due to a lack of standing and other technicalities.
What I believe about the 2020 Presidential Elections ( and I think I speak for many Republicans) is that States with good or not so good intentions, instituted methods of voting that had never been used before in those states and expected poll workers and local elections supervisors to "handle it" as best they could. I think therein lays the rub. If a State never ever used mail in ballots or drop boxes and was not setup to handle those methods of voting then I have to believe mistakes were made. My final point is more legalistic; States that changed methods of voting but did not do so thru their legislative process made a mistake right from the get go. Because in every State and in this Country Governors and Presidents don't make laws. So if a state allowed mail in ballots at drop boxes but no law had been written to allow for that, then that state broke their own laws.
I hope this makes sense. I don't think it's as simple as Do I believe the election was stolen from Trump.
One final point; I have ALWAYS SAID that Trump did some very good things for our Country and he shined lights on the officials from both Parties who made bad deals and put our countries interests second, and allowed Americans to get hurt in the process BUT HIS MOUTH GOT HIM IN TROUBLE! Or he would be President right now. His mouth and covid F***ed him.
CD,
Since you ignored my question
And as to your football example, was Terry Porter an "acceptable level of error"?
Can the Canes Sport board take this as you officially being a Terry Porter apologist and your support of his bogus call on Glen Sharpe as acceptable, therefore you believe that Ohio State was the true and earned National Champion in 2002? Please answer the question "yes" or "no".
HJ,
Thanks for your response. I do believe that your POV is shared by many Republicans.
My POV:
1. I do “think it’s as simple as Do I believe the election was stolen from Trump.” Even with all the election rule changes you dispute or allege, would the election results been any different under the old rules? No. I haven’t seen one official, Judge or other responsible person who thinks otherwise. If that’s true, why continue to “relitigate” the election as the OP does in this thread? What’s the point?
2. The legal failures by team Trump did involve both the merits and the “standing” issue. In case after case, neither Rudy nor Sidney could muster even the barest of evidentiary support. Those cases were thrown out “on the merits.” Similarly, “standing” is not a technical issue at all. All plaintiffs must demonstrate their “standing“ (ie their legal right to bring a lawsuit in the jurisdiction they choose) before their cases go forward. This is a fundamental legal requirement of litigants, not a technicality. For example, I hate the new Texas abortion laws. But because I live in Cali, I have no “standing” to file a legal attack on the Texas laws. Over and over again, Rudy and Sidney failed to pass this fundamental hurdle to filing a lawsuit. They just didn’t meet minimal legal standing to file their lawsuits.
Trump may have lost the election for the reasons you stated. For whatever reason, he managed to alienate and anger more voters than he attracted. He lost 53% to 47% In the popular vote and by the same margin of electoral votes by which he defeated Hillary in 2016.
Can we move on?
Please I don't know how you are going to take this but I don't take people that believe in conspiracy theorys and debunked voter fraud theories very seriously. I am just being honest.....and BTW it doesn't matter what is "acceptable". Miami lost the game. Nobody cares about Miami fans crying over one play in game we have over 200 to win. It's just being a lil biatch frankly. We didn't make enough plays to win the game. I subscribe to the Jimmy Johnson theory. You have to be good enough to take it out of the hands of the officials. You have to be good enough to remove doubt of who the best is. It's no different in an election. Calls will go against you in a game and will go in your favor too. Votes will go against you and will go for you against the rules. Just spending your time bitching about how you got your ass whipped doesn't do anything but make you a loser.
Please I don't know how you are going to take this but I don't take people that believe in conspiracy theorys and debunked voter fraud theories very seriously. I am just being honest.....and BTW did doesn't matter what is "acceptable". Miami lost the game. Nobody cares about Miami fans crying over one play in game we have over 200 to win. It's just being a lil biatch frankly. We didn't make enough plays to win the game. I subscribe to the Jimmy Johnson theory. You have to be good enough to take it out of the hands of the officials. You have to be good enough to remove doubt of who the best is. It's no different in an election. Calls will go against you in a game and will go in your favor too. Votes will go against you and will go for you against the rules. Just spending your time bitching about how you got your ass whipped doesn't do anything but make you a loser.
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