Yes, well in some cultures both sexes shower together. It's a only a big deal when people make it a big deal.
I want to join this culture. I want to shower with the models for a fashion show, not old ladies though.
As far as what Vilma said, there is nothing wrong with it. He didn't say that he hates gays or that gays should be banned from being with each other. He said that they wouldn't be accepted in the locker room/shower.
I'm just sick of this crap from the media and Hollywood perspective. The way they present things, half the country is gay or lesbian. All of the crap being spewed about how courageous Sam is, how "proud" people are of him or how he is an "inspiration to us all" makes me want to become anti-gay. He isn't courageous. He is "risking" monetary rewards, there is no risk that he is going to be lynched or shot by "coming out."
He sure as hell isn't an "inspiration" to me. He can do whatever he wants in the bedroom but I (and the majority of other people) aren't inspired by him either for what he chooses to do or deciding to tell people about it. To the public figure that made that comment, I am inspired when an inner city kid with a bad family situation becomes a brain surgeon. There is no "pride" involved in having sex. It's not very difficult to do and pretty much everybody can do it.
For the life of me I can't understand why straight men can not be honest about the level of uneasiness around openly gay men. I don't openly accept gay behavior at all and have been raised as such. I'm not going to accept because some feels I'm ignorant for not doing so.
How is the football team going to look that (if) they actually draft this kid? They are going to seem as though they are all accepting of his sexual orientation when they don't cause problems with him. I pray he doesn't go to Green Bay, they will be called the Fudge Packers. Team Colors will be the rainbow, and you already know the media will start interviewing these guys about how they accept him as one of their own. Some guys will not be able to accept him, especially those that are openly religious. His sexual behavior is a sin and what player in that mind set would accept him openly, especially with his rough and tough team mates.
He should have just shut his mouth. Some players are adulteress, they don't broad cast the info.
Him opening his mouth is gonna cost him some money if he gets drafted at all, and I bet money it splits the locker room.
Vilma is an experienced NFL player, he spoke the truth. He won't be accepted by all like the media and the rainbow folks want, it will be a circus every time he comes to town.
I hope he doesn't get drafted by the 49ers either, half the stadium will look like Mardi Gras in Louisiana for every home game...
How is the football team going to look that (if) they actually draft this kid? They are going to seem as though they are all accepting of his sexual orientation when they don't cause problems with him. I pray he doesn't go to Green Bay, they will be called the Fudge Packers. Team Colors will be the rainbow, and you already know the media will start interviewing these guys about how they accept him as one of their own. Some guys will not be able to accept him, especially those that are openly religious. His sexual behavior is a sin and what player in that mind set would accept him openly, especially with his rough and tough team mates.
He should have just shut his mouth. Some players are adulteress, they don't broad cast the info.
Him opening his mouth is gonna cost him some money if he gets drafted at all, and I bet money it splits the locker room.
Vilma is an experienced NFL player, he spoke the truth. He won't be accepted by all like the media and the rainbow folks want, it will be a circus every time he comes to town.
I hope he doesn't get drafted by the 49ers either, half the stadium will look like Mardi Gras in Louisiana for every home game...
You are spot on, everything you said makes perfect sense. He is not a hero, just another gay man. He should have kept it at that and played football. Now he is making an issue of him being a homosexual. The press loves this crap, imagine the circus of the team that drafts him, it will be like he was the 1st round pick....every game.
Hmmm,a guy named ocean just can not believ that a man doing a man is not nromal. LOL! Abusing left wing idots is so very easy, you made a statement about somebody doing their cousin or sister , that is not nromal ,but i guess a man doing a man is in your mind. a guy named bobbie jo did not call you out about your opinnion but that is how a left winger is anybody that does not agree with them are idiots.
Exactly!!! This is more of the LGBT's well organized promotional plan. An old hood expression, "F watch you heard!", I could give a rat's azz what Sam is saying about not wanting this to be political or blown up by media, that's exactly what he intended to do in cahoots with the LGBT. This is a calculated and strategic move, and you prhomo-sexual types applauding this sh*t will soon see the effects on the upcoming generation if you don't see it already. So the new definition of hero and courageous is a someone admitting publicly they prefer screwing the same sex? Wow! The sexual confusion this homo promotional tour has created will continue to disrupt the equilibrium of society and this imbalance along with others will ultimate lead to it's destruction. As I said earlier, keep watching, the rabbit hole only gets deeper from here....
Vilma is entitled to his opinion , did he say he hated gay people ? No , he just doesn't like the idea of a guy staring at him in the locker room . So what i feel the exact same way
I agree with Vilma 100% I'm not comfortable with it either. End of story
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He should probably look up the word homophobic...lmao. Just because he is gay, that doesn't necessarily mean he wants Jonathan.
Can't believe I agree with Ocean but right is right. Vilma's comments remind me of what Jackie Robinson faced."Don't hate black people but don't want to use the same shower/toilet/locker room." It's just ignorance and fear. Vilma just diminished the value of my UM diploma.
As to Ocean's point. Homophobia, based in part on fear, probably has some component of people who are or fear they might be locked in a closet. Not saying every homophobe is gay, just maybe 50%.
Vilma does need to STFU.
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As to Ocean's point. Homophobia, based in part on fear, probably has some component of people who are or fear they might be locked in a closet. Not saying every homophobe is gay, just maybe 50%.
Vilma does need to STFU.
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This homophonic situation gets on my nerves.. A lot of us have grown up with our own values and beliefs... I cannot see why people should be entitled to their own opinions.. We are all individuals remember that..
As a heterosexual male, I do have negative views regarding this, but that's my opinion.. I'm a free man and that's my belief.. RESPECT IT!!! Move on, if you choose to be gay.. That's your choose. It's up to me if I want to have a friendship or not.. I won't just say I wont speak to you. I've work with a gay person and had no problems providing he kept his personal life to himself.. Respect my wishes and I might respect yours but being heterosexual is what I consider being normal practice...
As a heterosexual male, I do have negative views regarding this, but that's my opinion.. I'm a free man and that's my belief.. RESPECT IT!!! Move on, if you choose to be gay.. That's your choose. It's up to me if I want to have a friendship or not.. I won't just say I wont speak to you. I've work with a gay person and had no problems providing he kept his personal life to himself.. Respect my wishes and I might respect yours but being heterosexual is what I consider being normal practice...
I detest that homophobic argument, totally devoid of common sense. A phobia is a fear of something. I'm pretty confident that Vilma doesn't fear some gay football player. He stated the obvious, he would be uncomfortable around a male football player that enjoys sex with men. He didn't not say the guy wanted him or would be attracted to him. Can't someone disagree with a behavior that some think is deviant? If Vilma was or is a Christian, then being gay is sinful, does he not have a right to that opinion?
Like it or not, his statement rings of truth, not everybody is going to be accepting of a gay football player, showering and bathing with them.
Please stop comparing this BS to the Civil Rights era or the time period blacks went through. When you are Black you can't really hide that fact, your skin complexion is not a choice. I'm sure some will say your sexual orientation is not either, I disagree, his penis is not being pulled by some supernatural force to another man's anus, that's beside the point though.
He should have just kept his damn mouth shut. There are players that have multiple partners, wife's that allow extra martial affairs and or partners, players with children outside their relationship or marriage. They are not on TMZ broadcasting it.
He is using it to gather fame, and become, "that gay" player. He is just another gay man in America, he should have just kept it to himself, the media should stop airing this type of BS anyway it is not newsworthy anymore.
Like it or not, his statement rings of truth, not everybody is going to be accepting of a gay football player, showering and bathing with them.
Please stop comparing this BS to the Civil Rights era or the time period blacks went through. When you are Black you can't really hide that fact, your skin complexion is not a choice. I'm sure some will say your sexual orientation is not either, I disagree, his penis is not being pulled by some supernatural force to another man's anus, that's beside the point though.
He should have just kept his damn mouth shut. There are players that have multiple partners, wife's that allow extra martial affairs and or partners, players with children outside their relationship or marriage. They are not on TMZ broadcasting it.
He is using it to gather fame, and become, "that gay" player. He is just another gay man in America, he should have just kept it to himself, the media should stop airing this type of BS anyway it is not newsworthy anymore.
Vilma was on mike & mike this morning and gave a thoughtful, reasonable and cogent clarification for the comments referred to by the OP. The OP does not represent the totality of his views on the issue.
Ocean, no one is going to prevent him from making a living. He will get his "queer" crowd to come support him. But are his team mates really going to rally around that? I was in the military and knew of two guys that were gay. Nice guys, but we had nothing to talk about so my group of friends didn't really include him in anything. To each his own, But don't expect me to be accepting of that type of behavior. I don't want it around my kids and I certainly will not celebrate it. In the showers no one wanted to shower around these guys, but every makes their own choices... I don't think you are anyone else has a right to make it for me. Some people on here think their advice is larger than someone's upbringing, religion, or sense of morality...It is not. In war I fought beside these gay soldiers, but once it was over we went our separate ways. No disrespect...but not acceptance of this behavior either.
Actually per ESPN the story was coming out and he wanted to "own" the story instead of others directing its path.
The entire Mizzou team knew it and supported him. SEAzy defensive player of year so I guess he's a decent player.
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The entire Mizzou team knew it and supported him. SEAzy defensive player of year so I guess he's a decent player.
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C'mon man, just stop it! Stop the Bullsh*t! Here we go with the prhomo-sexual babble and demonizing of people who simply do not agree with it and uncomfortable around it. This is in no way similar to what J.R. or any black athlete faced. The color our skin cannot be changed or hidden and the discrimination we faced was based on irrational hate and illogical. We faced much greater challenges than simply wanting to let everyone know we like azz. Smdh! This equating gay to civil rights is disrespectful to our ancestors who were enslaved, tortured, raped and murdered for over 250 years and denied civil rights another 100 years and down right ignorant as hell, especially coming from a black man. It's negroes like you who've allowed our struggle for equality and justice in this society to be marginalized by this gay movement. Say N*gga and all you have to do is say I'm sorry and all is well. Say ****** and all hell breaks loose, you fined or fired, or you have to give national apologized and work with the LGBT. You blind negroes literally falling for the banana in the tail pipe. And for you, supposedly an educated black man, to equate this gay b.s. to black struggle in any fashion shows how miseducated you really are when it come to our culture history, heritage, and our struggle.
Secondly, the term homophobia makes no sense, believing something is immoral or unnatural does not equal fearing it. Are you a pedo-phobe, are war-aphobe, republi-phobe? Is this how we describe sh*t we don't agree with now, it being tabbed as a phobia? This is got to be the dumbest sh*t, and one of the best Jedi-mind tricks pulled on a society and you jackazzes are falling for it hook, line, and sinker.
Lastly, you think that just because society has been proselytized and reconditioned by the gay mafia into believing homosexuality is now normal that it should also change a natural and instinctive reaction? I and any real man finds it repulsive to see to men kissing or to even think about two men having sex. Just because "society" says it's o.k., it's not suppose to make me feel that way anymore? If society one day says its o.k. to screw kids, screw animals, eat cockroaches, and bathe in sh*t, will these things all of a sudden not disgust you anymore because most people agree with it? You'd all of a sudden be able to look at someone screw an animal or bathe in sh*t and not have a visceral reaction to it, right? You prhomos make no sense at all, and you gotta be semi-gay if this sh*t doesn't bother you in anyway. If your a man talking about its ok for you child to gay then you've been converted to semi-gay! Vilma is absolutely correct and has every right not to be comfortable or accept that BS. Thinking that a homosexual male might find another male attractive in a locker room full of elite athletes is neither irrational or impossible. Equating skin melanin, a biologically normal and unchangeable condition of the human body for a people commonly known as black people, is irrational and irresponsible.
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Sam ought to keep his mouth shut. Unbelievable, he even gets praise from Obama's wife!!! Not surprised. What happens if I was a star football player coming out saying I only can have sex with two women at one time .... Would Obama's wife praise me? Man this stuff is personal, keep your own personal shit to yourself.
I don't care if you are gay, a transvestite, transsexual whatever, I do not want know or hear you publicize your personal issues and I certainly don't think Obama's wife has any place to be praising his personal sexual principals.
I have no issues with the above preferences, but they need to be kept pesonal and not publicized.
I don't care if you are gay, a transvestite, transsexual whatever, I do not want know or hear you publicize your personal issues and I certainly don't think Obama's wife has any place to be praising his personal sexual principals.
I have no issues with the above preferences, but they need to be kept pesonal and not publicized.
+1... And the Obamas will be out of the White House once and for all in less than two years, so that alone is reason to celebrate...
What a phuckin slap in the face to the great Jackie Robinson... Unbelievable..
Not a slap in the face to Mr. Robinson. I think he would be proud of this young man for his courage in the face of ignorance.
Azar,
GREAT POST!!!
Just because somebody has a right to do something doesn't take away my right to feel uncomfortable that they do it or even to be repulsed by it. When the first NFL player comes out and says he likes it when girls piss in his mouth, I'll be repulsed by that also.
1000% agree with your points about the gay issue being NOTHING at all like civil rights.
GREAT POST!!!
Just because somebody has a right to do something doesn't take away my right to feel uncomfortable that they do it or even to be repulsed by it. When the first NFL player comes out and says he likes it when girls piss in his mouth, I'll be repulsed by that also.
1000% agree with your points about the gay issue being NOTHING at all like civil rights.
Lol... "in the face of ignorance"- some people on this Board and their misguided moral authority. What constitutes a different opinion on a particular topic does not always constitute ignorance when that differing opinion is supported by facts coupled with common sense.
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Not exactly the same thing. You make a choice to sleep with two women. You are born gay. That isn't what the first lady was praising. She was praising this young mans courage to stand up because by doing that it brings much needed discussion that may help other gay people.
The first ladys place is anywhere she wants it to be. She is the first lady. She decides what she speaks on. Not anyone of us.
Sir you are being hypocritical because my opinion happens to be there is ignorance. Based on your comments, you can have your opinion but I can't have my own? What you think is common sense or viewed as a fact isn't necessarily viewed by others that way either. So, before you call someone out for being a moral authority, maybe you should look at the man in the mirror...then ask him to change his ways.
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So he should have to keep his mouth shut when reporters are constantly asking him if he is gay or has a girlfriend?
Some of you are complete idiots.
He doesn't have the opportunity to stay quite because he is and will be harassed to prove that he is a straight man which he is not. Why should he have to hide to make you comfortable?
It makes me uncomfortable how many morons there are on this board. It makes me uncomfortable when there are so many douche bags on this board acting like their opinion is more important than others.
He has the freedom to chug cock if he wants. That's what is great about this country. You also have the freedom to prove how ignorant you are.
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Should we praise rapists and child molesters because they're born that way? Would anyone actually choose to be a rapist or child molester? It's just how they were born.
Can you offer scientific prove that a person is born gay? So why are there so many gay males who marry and later divorce and become homosexual? Are bisexual people born gay and heterosexual or are they just greedy and want it both?
There is no evidence whatsoever that people are born gay. There is a movement in America where people don't want to accept personal accountability anymore. My father was a drunkard, why didn't he pass that gene to me? Why do some siblings go to college and others talk about how the "man" controls their destiny no matter what they do?
Personal accountability, if you choose to be a drunk, gay, happy, sad, crack head, educated, heterosexual, adulteress, or a homeless person it is your choice, stop blaming this nonsense on everyone beside yourself. Why do some cultures and countries have much lower or non-existent levels of homosexuality in their culture...did they miss out on the homosexual "pool" of genes? Try to find a homosexual in Africa or some parts of Asia
Everyone decides their own destiny, I'm married if I wanted to screw outside women, based on your thinking I could do it and say I was born with this incurable gene that makes me want to screw other women, instead of being accountability and saying its a personal choice...just like taking drugs or drinking.
Exactly Mike! And this presidential acknowledgement every time an athlete decides they're sexually confused is way past absurd. Shame on this Prez. and his wife for this! Presidential acknowledgement equals national promotion. Helluva times where living in.
@Varkas, I appreciate the solid and balance points you've made as well.
@CD, what part of no scientific proof about this gay gene don't you understand? Why do you and others insist on ignoring science and pushing the gay marketing statement of "born this way"? You always have a choice on who you have sex with. No one forces a man to have sex with a man, it's always a choice. Whether you prefer a man or woman is a different story but you always have a choice. I notice you're a professional at intellectualized bullsh*t...
@Varkas, I appreciate the solid and balance points you've made as well.
@CD, what part of no scientific proof about this gay gene don't you understand? Why do you and others insist on ignoring science and pushing the gay marketing statement of "born this way"? You always have a choice on who you have sex with. No one forces a man to have sex with a man, it's always a choice. Whether you prefer a man or woman is a different story but you always have a choice. I notice you're a professional at intellectualized bullsh*t...
How do you know that people aren't born to sleep with 2 women? There is the same scientific evidence to support that as there is to being born gay.
As for Mrs. Obama's comments, sure she can decide to speak on whatever she wants but she should be speaking out on important things and speaking for people that really need help. Gay people don't need help to be gay.
If somebody wants to be gay they can do whatever they want with whoever they want. I don't see a need for somebody like Sam to "come out" like this. Making a spectacle of who you like to have sex with is just more of the campaign to make gay seem much more common than it really is.
I remember being told in elementary school (in the mid 80's) that 10% of the population was gay. This was during a lesson about AIDs. The real number is in the 2% range. That teacher (which in hindsight I realize was a lesbian) was doing the same thing as the modern media campaign is.
No, I am calling people ignorant that feel he should not be allowed to openly discuss being gay especially when the media is starting to harass him about it
I could care less how people feel about it. That is their right. Just like it is his right to not have to hide because it might make you feel uncomfortable.
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