You're gonna filabuster the thread with long stupid answers? You don't know what you're talking about again.
Regarding Obamacare, if you paid attention to the real news you would know the premiums skyrocketed.
Obama Take your universal income and shove it in your butt.
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Regarding Obamacare, if you paid attention to the real news you would know the premiums skyrocketed.
No I'm not. You know that. But this argument that income redistribution was prevalent during the Obama years is bullshit and you know it. The income gap has been widening significantly for decades. I know redistribution of wealth is a popular term for your people. But the fact is that it is a made up issue for the right.
What do you call our tax system then? The more money you earn the higher the percentage of money that you are taxed on.
I would agree with you if all Americans are taxed the same rate regardless of income level.
Is the income gap wider than ever? When you figure out the answer is yes then you can conclude that the income tax system is fair. The income gap is wider now versus 50 years ago when the tax rate for top earners was insanely high. So the progressive tax is simply not a problem.
The problem is stupid people who don't know money. There's a saying that I subscribe to. It's more accepted in the real economical world as opposed to the world of academia. If everybody in the world started tomorrow with the exact same amount of money and wealth, within 10-20 years, every person would end up with the exact amount of money and wealth as they had to begin with.
I'm not very interested in re-distributing my hard earned wealth to imbeciles.
Putin look at the numbers. The income gap is wider than ever. There is no redistribution of wealth. It's a made up problem that simply doesn't exist. For all of you that bitch about redistribution, how do you explain that the income gap between rich and poor is wider than ever right now? You can't do it. The only numbers that can support that argument say the exact opposite.
No need to call ppl names. Again, stupid people just have a way of pissing away money or living beyond their means or trying to support too many offspring when their income doesn't justify it.
First, I notice you can't dispute the income gap, which means that the whole redistribution argument is nonsense. Second, I didn't call you a name. You made it clear yesterday and today who you believe. Didn't you say you don't trust the conclusions of the intelligence agencies as far as you can throw them? If you don't believe our guys then you believe Putin. Don't backtrack now. Own your allegiance.
Income gap, for the third time, is cause by stupid people and a lack of education. A progressive tax can't compensate for dumb people.
Nice try changing the subject. Is income redistribution an issue? If so please provide support for your argument.
Wow. Talk about avoiding the subject. makes you feel uncomfortable when I call out the IQ of your electorate?
Still won't answer the question. Its okay Putin. I already know the answer and I know you do as well. My work is done.
Thank God for Obama then. He got off his ass and apparently got a historic healthcare bill passed without presidents drafting bills. Got it RAMMED THROUGH too. Good for him.
Obama did not get it passed. The democratic control house and senate at the time got it passed after multiple tries because not even the democrats would agree to it. After they passed Obama care, the democrats lost the house and senate because the American people did not like it.
Well I didn’t think you were but I had to make sure.
I think most people on the right felt that Barack was a closet socialist and honestly, there may have been some truth to that. You often heard him talking about balancing things out, with Obamacare being nothing more then socialized medicine. You know, put in what you can and everyone will get their fair share. In fact, the biggest difference between him and Bernie (a devout socialist) was not their policies; rather Bernie’s willingness to admit what he stands for.
So I wouldn’t say the right made it up but neither would I say he fought for the redistribution of wealth throughout all his years in office. He fought for it when he could but the masses just weren’t having it. I personally think it was more about being the cool kid and being popular with him and in the end he succeeded, as the left still adores him.
I think most people on the right felt that Barack was a closet socialist and honestly, there may have been some truth to that. You often heard him talking about balancing things out, with Obamacare being nothing more then socialized medicine. You know, put in what you can and everyone will get their fair share. In fact, the biggest difference between him and Bernie (a devout socialist) was not their policies; rather Bernie’s willingness to admit what he stands for.
So I wouldn’t say the right made it up but neither would I say he fought for the redistribution of wealth throughout all his years in office. He fought for it when he could but the masses just weren’t having it. I personally think it was more about being the cool kid and being popular with him and in the end he succeeded, as the left still adores him.
Yes, he did get it passed and he signed it and it is law so I don't know exactly what you are talking about. He knew what he signed. He asked for it.
Largest tax increase in American history. Obamacare.
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O so it is a good thing praising President Obama by you , but when conservatives point out things Obama did you remind us he is not president anymore and it does not matter. Typical!!
Don't try to change history CD! It is a losing battle.
Here is a good article from the Washinton post - read it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-senate/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.50d80671f498
Cliff notes please? There is nothing in that article that disputes what I have said.
lmao....no he didn't can't it. You can't cancel it. It's like herpes. It's in the bloodstream. There is no canceling it at this point....and the things he has done to gut it will immediately be reinstated when dems are back in charge.
You wish...although they are now trying to get rid of pre-existing conditions. Good luck with that.
Finished. Dead. Gonzo. Next bill that passes will cancel pre-existing and allow companies to compete in all states. Until that passes I'm happy with the mandate gone. That 1040 form looks REALLY good now without having to calculate the penalty.
Yeah we just disagree. You say Obamacare is socialized medicine but the fact is most people were on private employer provided plans before Obamacare and after. Yes Medicaid was expanded to include more people and yes I guess technically you can say Medicaid and Medicare are socialized medicine. I'm assuming you want to do away with those?
As far as income redistribution, there are just no facts to support the argument. It is simply not happening. Its impossible to have income redistribution from rich to poor and have a widening income gap. The gap would be closing if this was a real issue. Simple as that.
I always tell the story about how our friends from Scotland were supposed to visit us in The States so they could vacation with us in Tahoe in May 2012. They couldn't make it because one of them was waiting for surgery on a kidney stone that he couldn't pass. When we asked how long the wait would be, he said 6 months. We said no problem, we go to Tahoe twice a year, so you can make the October trip. That's socialized medicine. Americans don't run overseas for medical procedures. The overseas people come here. Commons sense.
The mandate gone is moot is most cases. It was needed initially for generation of participants that will lower cost. Right now, there are actually annual increases in the numbers of people signing up. Like hot cakes so really it would be nice but not necessary anymore.
Pre-existing conditions has nothing to do with the free market. That just means insurance companies can't drop you because you have an illness, forcing you to not have insurance and pay out of pocket. The right has been trying to get that passed for their big money donors since its inception. Go have at it. Good luck getting that through.
Most people paid the penalty. It was usually waived for the the poor. The people who aren't poor don't care about having to pay a couple hundred bucks because you saved thousands not having insurance. The insurance is affordable now though so most are signed up anyway.
Either way you look at it. Obama won again. Just face it. He is just a lot smarter than anyone on the right because this law was passed in a manner it is in the fabric of entire healthcare system and tax code.
You state your opinion of Libs very clearly but make no mention of their opposites. Extremists are extremists. Why the omission?
Complete BS. He changed that a long time ago. I have my doctor...lol. My insurance is great! and with my doctor.
No, I'm not in favor of getting rid of either actually but like many things they have been abused and need better oversight. As for the redistribution of wealth, the fact that there are more and more people getting government subsistence is a sign of redistribution and can also attribute why the gap is widening. I'll give you one example that I have direct knowledge of.
I know a young lady that has children out of wedlock and receives free medical and stipends from the state. The total is somewhere around $30,000 annually not including the health care benefits. Now this young lady isn’t working and just so happens to be living with the baby daddy. In fact, they’ve been together throughout but realize by marrying, they would lose these state benefits and so why bother.
Now these folks have a listed income of $25,000 per year but through the redistribution of your tax dollars are in fact clearing $55,000.
Point being, the numbers can be misleading but for good or bad, our social programs are in fact a redistribution of wealth already.
I know a young lady that has children out of wedlock and receives free medical and stipends from the state. The total is somewhere around $30,000 annually not including the health care benefits. Now this young lady isn’t working and just so happens to be living with the baby daddy. In fact, they’ve been together throughout but realize by marrying, they would lose these state benefits and so why bother.
Now these folks have a listed income of $25,000 per year but through the redistribution of your tax dollars are in fact clearing $55,000.
Point being, the numbers can be misleading but for good or bad, our social programs are in fact a redistribution of wealth already.
Oh yeah he won. His signature bill got neutered within the first 6 months of the new regime. Savor that win!
Did you notice the patriotism? What happened on Monday was not patriotic. His parties president sided with the country that attacked our democracy. He had no problem with it. Called it sugar ants and now wants us to think he is a patriot.....lmao
