Democrat Darling AOC Slammed As “Financially Illiterate.”

[GLFSTRM]

According to the state, Amazon will generate $27.5 billion in state and city revenue over 25 years, a 9:1 ratio of revenue to subsidies—an arrangement Cuomo called “the highest rate of return for an economic incentive program the state has ever offered.” This is predicated on the assumption that after the company begins hiring in 2019, Amazon will create 25,000 jobs over the next decade (with up to 40,000 when all is said and done), with an average salary of $150,000. The state estimates the project will facilitate 1,300 construction jobs and 107,000 in total direct and indirect jobs.

 

[udaman]

Where did I say getting elected makes her smart? Trumpito got elected and he can't read. Graduating with a double major with honors from a world renown school makes you smart though.

Boston university? World renowned?
Cum laude? You got low standards CD

In such an alternate universe, canes football would receive your high praise playing in the mountain league and making a bowl game every other year

 

[cdwright40]

Boston university? World renowned?
Cum laude? You got low standards CD

In such an alternate universe, canes football would receive your high praise playing in the mountain league and making a bowl game every other year

A Northeastern University or Massachusetts University = elite. You better believe that if you don't believe anything else.

 

[irwinn]

Do you know her district? A $15.00 an hour job there is $7.50 an hour every place else. This is New York. Go look up the cost of living in New York. These jobs there are meaningless. You can't live off them in New York.

I grew up in the NY Metro Area. Higher cost of living but not nearly double. But these people that you're imagining, if they're already employed at one of these jobs you and AOC say are available now, they can decline working for Amazon. This would force Amazon to go beyond the $15 per hour level to secure its proper level of staffing. CD, this is what we call the free market. People get to choose where they will work, forcing those not chosen to raise their offer.

You and AO (AO, AO, AO come an me wanta go home) feel wages should rise through a forced, government ruling. Wages should rise when skill warrants it.

 

[cdwright40]

I grew up in the NY Metro Area. Higher cost of living but not

Raise a family in New York on $15.00 an hour...I dare you.lol. I am very familiar with the area.

That's beer money there or your second job.

 

[cdwright40]

According to the state, Amazon will generate $27.5 billion in state and city revenue over 25 years, a 9:1 ratio of revenue to subsidies—an arrangement Cuomo called “the highest rate of return for an economic incentive program the state has ever offered.” This is predicated on the assumption that after the company begins hiring in 2019, Amazon will create 25,000 jobs over the next decade (with up to 40,000 when all is said and done), with an average salary of $150,000. The state estimates the project will facilitate 1,300 construction jobs and 107,000 in total direct and indirect jobs.

Again....a lot of companies want to go to this district. Long term jobs...are the goal. Construction is temporary....and all the othe companies offer them....as well as higher paying jobs and pay taxes. They do not need Amazon....especially if they want a free ride. They have absolutely no problem getting companies there.

 

[irwinn]

A Northeastern University or Massachusetts University = elite. You better believe that if you don't believe anything else.

She didn't go to Northeastern, and its not Massachusetts U., its U. of Massachusetts. She went to neither, so what are you talking about? She went to BU, formally known for its partying, now known for its famous bartenders. BU couldn't carry the U's jock strap, a position they've often sought.

 

[irwinn]

Raise a family in New York on $15.00 an hour...I dare you.lol. I am very familiar with the area.

That's beer money there or your second job.

Ever hear the term 'entry level'? What's your 1st job out of high school? You graduate high school and get hired as an engineer at $75k a year--$37.50 an hour? An accountant at $25, an actuary at $30, a lawyer at $40, or a surgeon at $75? I remember working at low paying jobs until I gained the skill to justify higher earnings. I delayed my family plan until I began to gain that skill.

Gain a skill while working your way 'up the ladder'. 99% of our success stories begin that way. The rest become bartenders or even congress people.

 

[irwinn]

According to the state, Amazon will generate $27.5 billion in state and city revenue over 25 years, a 9:1 ratio of revenue to subsidies—an arrangement Cuomo called “the highest rate of return for an economic incentive program the state has ever offered.” This is predicated on the assumption that after the company begins hiring in 2019, Amazon will create 25,000 jobs over the next decade (with up to 40,000 when all is said and done), with an average salary of $150,000. The state estimates the project will facilitate 1,300 construction jobs and 107,000 in total direct and indirect jobs.

Yes, but much, much higher than $27.5bil!!!

 

[801canesmxer]

Again....a lot of companies want to go to this district. Long term jobs...are the goal. Construction is temporary....and all the othe companies offer them....as well as higher paying jobs and pay taxes. They do not need Amazon....especially if they want a free ride. They have absolutely no problem getting companies there.

A 9 to 1 ROI is not a free ride no matter how many lies you tell to the contrary. It would also be nice to know which mythical companies are going to go there and what higher paying salaries they will be offering so we at least have a comparison other than what you are claiming.

 

[irwinn]

Raise a family in New York on $15.00 an hour...I dare you.lol. I am very familiar with the area.

That's beer money there or your second job.

So you and AOC can drink your 50 beers a day while others attend night school or 'on-the-job' training and increase their earning power.

By the way, there's a reason its called 'earnings'!

 

[rgranja]

Ummm, no but it does get you a job as the youngest congresswomen ever in a historicly republican district if you also major in international relations as a double major. She graduated with honors too. Having a degree doesn't guarentee you a job...and no debt. My fkn God the depth of the ignorance of you people is nothing short of staggering. She wanted to tend bar and loved the job. It's an honorable job she wanted to take.

That district has been democrat for years. It has become the bastion of liberalism and left leaning socialist. I don’t begrudge her success but she has made some real interesting statements that require double take. I just don’t like her politics

 

[cdwright40]

So you and AOC can drink your 50 beers a day while others attend night school or 'on-the-job' training and increase their earning power.

By the way, there's a reason its called 'earnings'!

Not sure what you are even talking about. You do realize it is possible to"earn" more than $15.00 an hour in New York? Why would you ignore companies that offer better jobs and are willing to pay their taxes? That's no way to govern.

 

[cdwright40]

A 9 to 1 ROI is not a free ride no matter how many lies you tell to the contrary. It would also be nice to know which mythical companies are going to go there and what higher paying salaries they will be offering so we at least have a comparison other than what you are claiming.

If they are not paying taxes, it IS A FREE RIDE...How do you think the city and state pay their bills? The magical unicorn? Republicans think everything should be free reguarding our governments bills and have no idea how they are paid. OUR TAXES is the answer. The funniest part? They accuse the dems of wanting free things.....lmao

 

[GLFSTRM]

with an average salary of $150,000

 

[irwinn]

Not sure what you are even talking about. You do realize it is possible to"earn" more than $15.00 an hour in New York? Why would you ignore companies that offer better jobs and are willing to pay their taxes? That's no way to govern.

Who's ignoring them? Bring them all in. Let them all compete to see who will pay the most! Competition, scorned by the left, revered by the right.
Who ever heard of competition making anything better?

 

[cdwright40]

Ever hear the term 'entry level'? What's your 1st job out of high school? You graduate high school and get hired as an engineer at $75k a year--$37.50 an hour? An accountant at $25, an actuary at $30, a lawyer at $40, or a surgeon at $75? I remember working at low paying jobs until I gained the skill to justify higher earnings. I delayed my family plan until I began to gain that skill.

Gain a skill while working your way 'up the ladder'. 99% of our success stories begin that way. The rest become bartenders or even congress people.

The Bronx has over 4 million residents. Prob close to 5. Do you seriously believe everyone that needs a job should be happy with an entry level job? This premise is nutty. Especially when there are no problems getting companies with high paying jobs there. I have no idea why some of you aren't following what is fairly easy to follow. Unemployment hasn't been an issue since Obamas first term. Why sell out for entry level jobs when there is no need?

 

[PHILCANE]

All you right wingers are scumbags, most of you are haters that if you don't believe what you believe your not an American. Most of you are white supremacists that can't take it that people who don't look like you have success. To all of you eat shit

 

[801canesmxer]

If they are not paying taxes, it IS A FREE RIDE...How do you think the city and state pay their bills? The magical unicorn? Republicans think everything should be free reguarding our governments bills and have no idea how they are paid. OUR TAXES is the answer. The funniest part? They accuse the dems of wanting free things.....lmao

LIE, LIE, LIE.How is it a free ride with a 9 to 1 ROI? Apparently you are about as good at math as AOC and know more than the finance people who say this would have been the biggest ROI in the history of the state. The magical unicorn is what businesses you refuse to answer that are going to come in and offer better jobs as well as a 9 to 1 ROI? I have never seen anyone that refuses to answer a simple question and disregards facts in such a simple minded way. There will be no free things for anyone if you chase away businesses that will build your tax base that make social programs possible in the first place. Pretty simple economics really.

 

[801canesmxer]

All you right wingers are scumbags, most of you are haters that if you don't believe what you believe your not an American. Most of you are white supremacists that can't take it that people who don't look like you have success. To all of you eat shit

Ironic then that the most hateful post in this thread was just posted by you. Do you have a problem with the facts that were presented in this thread? How about a rebuttal then instead of coming here and calling names to those who disagree that AOC has a brain in her head? And it would be nice to hear a rebuttal that is not filled with lies and opinion like a certain poster has done so far. Do you think that it is a good idea that an economic genius would turn away a 9 to 1 ROI just to make a political statement? Eating shit will be what people in AOC's district will be doing when there are no businesses left to pay taxes to fund the social programs that bail out those that are too lazy to take care of themselves. Are you against helping the poor?

 

[irwinn]

All you right wingers are scumbags, most of you are haters that if you don't believe what you believe your not an American. Most of you are white supremacists that can't take it that people who don't look like you have success. To all of you eat shit

Thanks for the meal, Phil. Thanks also for that reminder that there are people out there not looking like me. I was about to wish happiness, health and success to all of us. Who ever heard of that, a righty wanting success for us all. Now here's Phil who's had his Fill and must get these unique ideas off his chest rather than out of his mind...since that left years ago. Phil has had his Fill with that glut of jobs being thrown at people. Phil'sFill tells him that more jobs are the devil's workshop, carefully planned to bury the underclass. Thanks to Phil for today's factual account of what has transpired!

 

[289fia]

Funny how her degree from BC validates her intelligence in your eyes but Trumps has a degree from Ivy U of P Wharton school and you claim he can’t read or write. Do you think your thought process might need a bit of a tweaking.

BU not BC .. careful there ..

 

[cdwright40]

LIE, LIE, LIE.How is it a free ride with a 9 to 1 ROI? Apparently you are about as good at math as AOC and know more than the finance people who say this would have been the biggest ROI in the history of the state. The magical unicorn is what businesses you refuse to answer that are going to come in and offer better jobs as well as a 9 to 1 ROI? I have never seen anyone that refuses to answer a simple question and disregards facts in such a simple minded way. There will be no free things for anyone if you chase away businesses that will build your tax base that make social programs possible in the first place. Pretty simple economics really.

Because I am as sharp as they come and so is AOC. You follow a party doctrine. Much like a lemming. It was explained here at least 5 times but you just aren't understanding it. The ROI isn't limited to Amazon. Simple. There are companies that want to be there and are happy to be there that have the same ROI. The difference is they are not asking for unreasonable tax breaks. Understand? There are other companies besides Amazon locating there. Ones that pay.

Amazon has no leverage there because they command that ROI as well.

 

[cdwright40]

Who's ignoring them? Bring them all in. Let them all compete to see who will pay the most! Competition, scorned by the left, revered by the right.
Who ever heard of competition making anything better?

I believe that is what is being done. A competition. Amazon didn't win dude...lol. They aren't competitive enough.

 

[289fia]

She didn't go to Northeastern, and its not Massachusetts U., its U. of Massachusetts. She went to neither, so what are you talking about? She went to BU, formally known for its partying, now known for its famous bartenders. BU couldn't carry the U's jock strap, a position they've often sought.

Not sure where you get your university ranking data .. but BU is a pretty well respected school. Boston University for 2019 has a national ranking of #42, Boston College is #38, and University of Miami is #53. UM has fluctuated over the past 15 years in that range of 40's - low 50's.

 

[801canesmxer]

Because I am as sharp as they come and so is AOC. You follow a party doctrine. Much like a lemming. It was explained here at least 5 times but you just aren't understanding it. The ROI isn't limited to Amazon. Simple. There are companies that want to be there and are happy to be there that have the same ROI. The difference is they are not asking for unreasonable tax breaks. Understand? There are other companies besides Amazon locating there. Ones that pay.

Amazon has no leverage there because they command that ROI as well.

You are as sharp as they come but yet still think I have anything to do with any parties doctrine. I can't stand either party. Can you finally answer which companies are beating down the door to move there and how much their wages will be as well as what their ROI will be compared to Amazon? You have lied about the wages that Amazon will pay repeatedly in this thread by saying that they are all in the $15 per hour range when it has been shown to you that the average salary would have been $150,000 per year and you have also repeatedly lied about them getting a free ride. Pretty hard to have a rational discussion with someone that disregards facts and continues to lie over and over. How anyone can continue to state that Amazon would have gotten unreasonable tax breaks when the ROI is 9 to 1 is just laughable at this point. You complain when someone calls you a name but now you're calling me a lemming because I stick with facts and not lies. Can you not have a discussion without calling names as I have tried to do with you?

 

[ZEKEMUG]

BU not BC .. careful there ..

Thanks for correction but I guess I can get her college wrong since she tells everybody she’s from the Bronx not Westchester lol

 

[irwinn]

I believe that is what is being done. A competition. Amazon didn't win dude...lol. They aren't competitive enough.

This was a competition? So you'll soon announce the winner?
Va' fa Napoli, Italian for GT*OOH! (Actual trans.: 'Go back to Naples')

 

[irwinn]

Not sure where you get your university ranking data .. but BU is a pretty well respected school. Boston University for 2019 has a national ranking of #42, Boston College is #38, and University of Miami is #53. UM has fluctuated over the past 15 years in that range of 40's - low 50's.

Thanks, I'll take you stats. When I went to the U it was rated the best business school in the South. BU was a party school. May be better now.

My actual point is that AOC is no 'Harvard' grad as some like to imply. She has a BS degree and no experience other than in measured pours.

 

[cdwright40]

This was a competition? So you'll soon announce the winner?
Va' fa Napoli, Italian for GT*OOH! (Actual trans.: 'Go back to Naples')

Easy peezy…….The good people of the Bronx won. Constituents of AOC because they have a good mix of entry level and high paying jobs and don't have to sacrifice paying the bills of the district to get them by handing a bully 3Billion dollars.

 

[cdwright40]

You are as sharp as they come but yet still think I have anything to do with any parties doctrine. I can't stand either party. Can you finally answer which companies are beating down the door to move there and how much their wages will be as well as what their ROI will be compared to Amazon? You have lied about the wages that Amazon will pay repeatedly in this thread by saying that they are all in the $15 per hour range when it has been shown to you that the average salary would have been $150,000 per year and you have also repeatedly lied about them getting a free ride. Pretty hard to have a rational discussion with someone that disregards facts and continues to lie over and over. How anyone can continue to state that Amazon would have gotten unreasonable tax breaks when the ROI is 9 to 1 is just laughable at this point. You complain when someone calls you a name but now you're calling me a lemming because I stick with facts and not lies. Can you not have a discussion without calling names as I have tried to do with you?

Yes, I am as sharp as they come and so is AOC. I'm not sure what it is you just can't understand. She is not giving up 3Billion dollars in tax revenue for low paying jobs she can get any time she wants. Now you want me to answer you questions as if I am before congress and that rabbit hole is silly. It just leads to a never ending explanation for you when you have no accountability yourself. Remember when I told you I am as sharp as the come? I give you information, then you just want more. Then I have to prove to you which jobs. Then when. Then where. Then on and on and on. I'm not going to do that while you just sit there and do nothing.

Do your homework. 3Billion dollars is 3Billion dollars. AOC is no fool and it is clear why she graduated with high honors. I relate to smart people. She wasn't going to give this pompous asshole a 3Billion dollar tax break on a maybe....when her district isn't struggling at all with jobs. Not hard to follow.

We added trillions in debt because companies aren't paying their taxes. Ask me what Amazon paid in taxes last year? Do you not think that money is needed for bills? They are making record numbers in a democratic capitalistic society and not paying to support. The bill is passed to the poor and the stupid people that don't see what is happening.

 

[cdwright40]

What amazes me is (So Many) republicans get so triggered by high achievers that go to world class schools and are perfectly okay with under achievers like Sarah Palin. It is too funny. Do you know how stupid some of you sound trying to pretend AOC isn't smart? Say don't agree with her politics. Much more reasonable. When you attack her intelligence you sound like buffoons to the tenth power. Schools in Mass like BU are no joke. Graduating with a double major in international relations and economics is not joke in and of its self. Graduating with high honors is amazing. Then.....

You want to question what she did for a living before she became a congresswoman? Why? WTF difference does that make?

 

[801canesmxer]

Yes, I am as sharp as they come and so is AOC. I'm not sure what it is you just can't understand. She is not giving up 3Billion dollars in tax revenue for low paying jobs she can get any time she wants. Now you want me to answer you questions as if I am before congress and that rabbit hole is silly. It just leads to a never ending explanation for you when you have no accountability yourself. Remember when I told you I am as sharp as the come? I give you information, then you just want more. Then I have to prove to you which jobs. Then when. Then where. Then on and on and on. I'm not going to do that while you just sit there and do nothing.

Do your homework. 3Billion dollars is 3Billion dollars. AOC is no fool and it is clear why she graduated with high honors. I relate to smart people. She wasn't going to give this pompous asshole a 3Billion dollar tax break on a maybe....when her district isn't struggling at all with jobs. Not hard to follow.

We added trillions in debt because companies aren't paying their taxes. Ask me what Amazon paid in taxes last year? Do you not think that money is needed for bills? They are making record numbers in a democratic capitalistic society and not paying to support. The bill is passed to the poor and the stupid people that don't see what is happening.

Then I guess with all your smarts you should have figured out that a 9 to 1 ROI means that they will get back 9 times that amount. I ask you questions because that is part of a discussion. How do I know if you agree with AOC that the world will end in 12 years or how we will pay for her pie in the sky plans? I consider her a fool because she says foolish things, not because of party. I said the same about Sarah Palin and Dan Quayle and I have said on here before that I think George W. was a buffoon. I agree 100& about any company or individual that does not pay their fair share of taxes. There are too many deductions and loopholes to hide money that should be fairly taxed.

 

[grbcane]

Then I guess with all your smarts you should have figured out that a 9 to 1 ROI means that they will get back 9 times that amount. I ask you questions because that is part of a discussion. How do I know if you agree with AOC that the world will end in 12 years or how we will pay for her pie in the sky plans? I consider her a fool because she says foolish things, not because of party. I said the same about Sarah Palin and Dan Quayle and I have said on here before that I think George W. was a buffoon. I agree 100& about any company or individual that does not pay their fair share of taxes. There are too many deductions and loopholes to hide money that should be fairly taxed.

“To give truth to him who loves it not is to only give him more multiplied reasons for misinterpretation.” George McDonald “

Sometimes when dealing with CD, you just have to walk away, you’re better off pissing in the wind.

 

[801canesmxer]

“To give truth to him who loves it not is to only give him more more multiplied reasons for misinterpretation.” George McDonald “

Sometimes when dealing with CD, you just have to walk away, you’re better off pissing in the wind.

I now know what my dogs feel like when they're chasing their tails in circles that's for sure.

 

[tcane58]

A Northeastern University or Massachusetts University = elite. You better believe that if you don't believe anything else.

Does that include South Connecticut State (SCS)?.....because I can show you plenty of reliable sources that rank your alma mater as one of the worst regional schools in the North East. For those that dont know, regional schools cannot be considered as part of the national rankings. While there are some good regional schools, "lighty loafer's" school is on par with Hoboken Community College.....and I am only partially being sarcastic when I say this....lol.

 

[GLFSTRM]

Does that include South Connecticut State (SCS)?.....because I can show you plenty of reliable sources that rank your alma mater as one of the worst regional schools in the North East. For those that dont know, regional schools cannot be considered as part of the national rankings. While there are some good regional schools, "lighty loafer's" school is on par with Hoboken Community College.....and I am only partially being sarcastic when I say this....lol.

Is SCS a former Community College that changed its name to look legit?

 

[irwinn]

Easy peezy…….The good people of the Bronx won. Constituents of AOC because they have a good mix of entry level and high paying jobs and don't have to sacrifice paying the bills of the district to get them by handing a bully 3Billion dollars.

The amount is not $3bil, but that aside let's do economics 101. You're referring to tax revenue that government would not have received from Amazon. Grant you that. AOC has remedied that, now we won't have the tax revenue and won't have 25,000 jobs that absolutely no one wants or needs. Problem presented, AOC solved.

That 'bully' has been courted from coast to coast. Austin, TX has a much better job situation then NY and almost anywhere else and was sorely disappointed not to have been chosen. Austin is one of the most Liberal cities in the country.

I'm retired and have time to spend on this nonsense. How about you, you must work for the government?

 

[cdwright40]

I now know what my dogs feel like when they're chasing their tails in circles that's for sure.

Then stop....I am not going to agree. You think the more you tell me 9 to 1 ROI based on someone elses ill guided opinion is going to move me you are mistaken.

 

[cdwright40]

That 'bully' has been courted from coast to coast. Austin, TX has a much better job situation then NY and almost anywhere else and was sorely disappointed not to have been chosen. Austin is one of the most Liberal cities in the country.

I'm retired and have time to spend on this nonsense. How about you, you must work for the government?

The amount is not $3bil, side let's do economics 101. You're referring to tax revenue that government would not have received from Amazon. Grant you that.

Nobody is holding a gun to your head....lol. Yes, 3 Billion in tax revenue is the number that she can get from any other business coming in. Why would she forfeit it unnecessarily? That makes zero sense.