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Originally posted by amida33:
Interesting that a few use the Greek & Roman acceptance of
homosexuality as reason why the societies failed,
in fact they flourished when it was the norm of the highly educated
older man to take a younger man as a lover & student--
it was Plato who had a male lover student, Aristotle
who in turn took on Alexander the Great--further it was Plato with his "Republic"
that set the gold standard for what we like to call Democracy
of course our society is not a Democracy it is a Plutocracy(government by the rich)
but that's not the issue--argue your points all you want, but please check your facts & history
Check what facts the first books of the Bible were written between the 16th and the 12th Century, by Moses himself. Even then they knew that a grown man screwing a little boy was wrong.
Sodom and Gomorrah were cities mentioned in the book of Genesis that were consumed and destroyed because of the wrong doing of man. Genesis translates to the beginning.


If You would like to paint your life around a bunch of old homosexual men that raped and sodomized young boys...go right ahead, how much has our culture evolved?

If you think our society flourished because older men raped and sodomized young boys, then we have a great chasm in differences of opinion.


You might want to check your facts to buddy, Roman homos were a little different from Greek Homos.







Greek Love" influences aesthetics or the means of expression, not the nature of Roman homosexuality as such. Classical Athens, where it is thought to have contributed to the particulars of pederastic culture.

Wrong is Wrong, Greek and Roman Culture all failed in the end...
 
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Sandusky from Ped State has hijacked this thread? Hope he and little Nevin are bunkmates in the Big House. I'd send them a cake to recreate Sam miment over and over again.
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Originally posted by amida33:
Interesting that a few use the Greek & Roman acceptance of
homosexuality as reason why the societies failed,
in fact they flourished when it was the norm of the highly educated
older man to take a younger man as a lover & student--
it was Plato who had a male lover student, Aristotle
who in turn took on Alexander the Great--further it was Plato with his "Republic"
that set the gold standard for what we like to call Democracy
of course our society is not a Democracy it is a Plutocracy(government by the rich)
but that's not the issue--argue your points all you want, but please check your facts & history
Sitting around philosophizing while living off the system and sodomizing young boys. Now that is progressive. Damn, wish I was there.
 
Gillo, if you choose to read the Old Testament in a reductive so called literal manner
That is your perogotive, but please keep in mind there are numerous ways to read Scripture.
Please check 'readings' using a more hermeurnetic approach. Gematria offers many amazing insights.
I very much appreciate your thoughtful and intelligent response-thanks
 
Being born born a certain color or gender is not a choice, but gay is a choice of preference. I am black and proud of it, but the civil right activists got it wrong when they included gays as part of the civil rights movement. MLK JR. would be so disgusted. The only logical reason gays are included in the civil rights movement is to get more white men to stand in support for minority rights, but being gay is a choice.
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My post was primarily about liberal policies and how destructive they are. I will agree that medicare costs were getting out of control .I wrote them about ways to go after certain doctors that I saw abusing the coding system and how they could save money. They never answered me.
They never asked practicing physicians with experience how to fix the system . Instead the went to academics who cant tie their own shoelaces. SImplify the coding system .The new ICD 10 codes are coming and are a joke. We have one code now for Rheumatoid Arthritis .The new system has 26 different codes.
Let honest physicians design a system that is harder to abuse. Go after physicians who appear to be charging much more than the national average. Establish more medical schools to reduce the amount of foreign physicians who come here to milk the system and reduce the amount of PA's and NP's who are not trained to function as physicians. Right now the incentive to go through physician training is the lowest it has been in years. The best and brightest will shun a medical system that these democrats want to have. Look at Canada -their system stinks. Ask the average Canadian who really gets sick.
Not every liberal is a bad person or a bad citizen many are well meaning good people. Its the policies that are being put through that are harming the country.
We have gone so far left that John F Kennedy would be considered a conservative today. The question is-do we want to remain the greatest country in the world or a declining European style socialist state?
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Originally posted by advarkas:
Originally posted by theguv:
Ardvarkas,

Your co sign of sabrose's post is more depression than sabrose's post. You have a college degree and a JD and this is what you think? This is the tenor of your true thoughts?

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lol... Please... I voted for Kerry for President and I am liberal on 90% of social issues, including the issue of gay and lesbian marriage. However, I AM conservative on economic issues, and I agree with what sabrose posted above- if that ruffles peoples' feathers then so be it.

Most of the time my opinions are criticized by liberals and conservatives because I refuse to lean heavy right or heavy left across the entire board. I am a registered Republican because in Florida, one has to be registered either Republican or Democrat to vote in the Primary. Other than that, I pride myself in forming my own opinions on matters based on what I think, not along party lines- and my track record of voting and who I have supported over the years fully supports that.
1. There's nothing down the middle about sabrose's rant.
2. I don't care about your voting record. My expressed regret is about you knot forming and sharing your own opinion, but co-signing a redstate.org/Limbaugh set of talking points.
 
Tim Tebow was labeled a distraction because of his religion and huge following... This here clown is being applauded as some type of brave hero by the sorry ass media... Something is wrong here, very wrong...

I'm definitely not a Tebow fan, nor do I think he can play qb...
 
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By the way, for the morons on this board, there's a difference between preference and orientation.
 
Originally posted by ElijahGreen25:
Being born born a certain color or gender is not a choice, but gay is a choice of preference. I am black and proud of it, but the civil right activists got it wrong when they included gays as part of the civil rights movement. MLK JR. would be so disgusted. The only logical reason gays are included in the civil rights movement is to get more white men to stand in support for minority rights, but being gay is a choice.

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I totally agree. Civil RIghts and homosexuality or two different thoings. You can discriminate on the basis of skin color from a mile away, no one would know that Sam was gay if he didn't flaunt it in public view. No need for the nonsense to be shown on public TV with kids watching. Being Gay is a choice, its a concious decison to act on a behavior. I know plenty of married folk that would love to sleep with multiple partners...but don't its a choice
 
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Originally posted by theguv:

Originally posted by advarkas:
Originally posted by theguv:
Ardvarkas,

Your co sign of sabrose's post is more depression than sabrose's post. You have a college degree and a JD and this is what you think? This is the tenor of your true thoughts?

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lol... Please... I voted for Kerry for President and I am liberal on 90% of social issues, including the issue of gay and lesbian marriage. However, I AM conservative on economic issues, and I agree with what sabrose posted above- if that ruffles peoples' feathers then so be it.

Most of the time my opinions are criticized by liberals and conservatives because I refuse to lean heavy right or heavy left across the entire board. I am a registered Republican because in Florida, one has to be registered either Republican or Democrat to vote in the Primary. Other than that, I pride myself in forming my own opinions on matters based on what I think, not along party lines- and my track record of voting and who I have supported over the years fully supports that.
1. There's nothing down the middle about sabrose's rant.
2. I don't care about your voting record. My expressed regret is about you knot forming and sharing your own opinion, but co-signing a redstate.org/Limbaugh set of talking points.
Agree its a conservative rant . But it isnt a talking point . Its based on what is actually happening . Important information that effects everyone in this country isnt being disseminated by a mainstream media that is in lockstep with the administration. We used to joke about Pravda being state controlled but the same thing is happening here.The same words phrased exactly are being spoken on ABC NBC and CBS at the same time on the same night on their news reports.
The suffering occurring from Obamacare was predicted and is coming true the worst is yet to come. Unfortunately the only way to see a turnaround is for enough economic strife to force people to change their ideas. We are becoming a banana republic and its sad to see .The president is bypassing congress on a regular basis and no one even notices. Its a slippery slope we are on . I dont give a flip about what an uneducated indoctrinated liberal thinks. Anyone who thinks this country is doing well right now has their head in the sand.
 
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It is really embarrassing for so many "Christians" on here to reference God and the bible when you have probably never taken the time to discern what they were actually saying. Unnatural and abomination had different meaning back then when the text was written. Unnatural was also referenced by Paul as him praying. Abomination was also eating crabs, pork, or lobster.

You don't see people protesting outside of Joe's Stone Crabs because of what Leviticus wrote, but you hear them twist the same language for homosexuals.

You speak about the words of God, but all you preach is the words of man.

I hope the next time your wife is menstruating you inform her how dirty she is and force her to sleep in a separate room than you. Then you can talk about how great of a Christian you are, and how you follow the words of God.
 
It's about the kids. No parent should have to explain to their kids why two guys are kissing on day time T.V.when nature dictates it's not natural. If they want to be Gay. No problem. No problem at all. Just don't throw it on TV and force the public to think it's natural.
Especially when only 2% max of the population is Gay. He should be drafted on his talent alone. That's all that matters. He should also be respected but what I don't like is this forcing of culture via media to accept being gay as natural and just "another option".
 
Originally posted by sabrose:
Originally posted by theguv:

Originally posted by advarkas:
Originally posted by theguv:
Ardvarkas,

Your co sign of sabrose's post is more depression than sabrose's post. You have a college degree and a JD and this is what you think? This is the tenor of your true thoughts?

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lol... Please... I voted for Kerry for President and I am liberal on 90% of social issues, including the issue of gay and lesbian marriage. However, I AM conservative on economic issues, and I agree with what sabrose posted above- if that ruffles peoples' feathers then so be it.

Most of the time my opinions are criticized by liberals and conservatives because I refuse to lean heavy right or heavy left across the entire board. I am a registered Republican because in Florida, one has to be registered either Republican or Democrat to vote in the Primary. Other than that, I pride myself in forming my own opinions on matters based on what I think, not along party lines- and my track record of voting and who I have supported over the years fully supports that.
1. There's nothing down the middle about sabrose's rant.
2. I don't care about your voting record. My expressed regret is about you knot forming and sharing your own opinion, but co-signing a redstate.org/Limbaugh set of talking points.
Agree its a conservative rant . But it isnt a talking point . Its based on what is actually happening . Important information that effects everyone in this country isnt being disseminated by a mainstream media that is in lockstep with the administration. We used to joke about Pravda being state controlled but the same thing is happening here.The same words phrased exactly are being spoken on ABC NBC and CBS at the same time on the same night on their news reports.
The suffering occurring from Obamacare was predicted and is coming true the worst is yet to come. Unfortunately the only way to see a turnaround is for enough economic strife to force people to change their ideas. We are becoming a banana republic and its sad to see .The president is bypassing congress on a regular basis and no one even notices. Its a slippery slope we are on . I dont give a flip about what an uneducated indoctrinated liberal thinks. Anyone who thinks this country is doing well right now has their head in the sand.
It's called All Children Left Behind.
 
Originally posted by Walsh4.5:

It's about the kids. No parent should have to explain to their kids why two guys are kissing on day time T.V.when nature dictates it's not natural. If they want to be Gay. No problem. No problem at all. Just don't throw it on TV and force the public to think it's natural.
Especially when only 2% max of the population is Gay. He should be drafted on his talent alone. That's all that matters. He should also be respected but what I don't like is this forcing of culture via media to accept being gay as natural and just "another option".
And how has nature determined that it is unnatural?

So it is unnatural to desire the embrace of another human being that doesn't result in procreation?

As unnatural as a blow job? Or more unnatural?
 
Originally posted by andyctree:
It is really embarrassing for so many "Christians" on here to reference God and the bible when you have probably never taken the time to discern what they were actually saying. Unnatural and abomination had different meaning back then when the text was written. Unnatural was also referenced by Paul as him praying. Abomination was also eating crabs, pork, or lobster.

You don't see people protesting outside of Joe's Stone Crabs because of what Leviticus wrote, but you hear them twist the same language for homosexuals.

You speak about the words of God, but all you preach is the words of man.

I hope the next time your wife is menstruating you inform her how dirty she is and force her to sleep in a separate room than you. Then you can talk about how great of a Christian you are, and how you follow the words of God.
BRAVO !!!
The only downside to this intellectual , well thought out TRUTH is the morons its is aimed at will absolutely NOT absorb it
 
kerem and andyctree I think you guys are missing the point.

The display with the cake mashing, eating, kissing was OVER THE TOP, and may serve to turn M.S. supporters into haters, or not supporters. It will lead to people stereotyping gays as fruitcakes who can't act like they have been there before. The few hugs and smooches I see on NFL draft day (of the heterosexual variety) are joyful, G rated, and not sexually suggestive. I do not hate homosexuals, maybe some of the critics here do, but this was an "I'm gay and I will be flamboyantly gay in your faces America, and if you don't like it, tough shit" moment. It was all about "me" (M.S.) when football is not a "me" sport, and never will be. It will alienate teammates and give the bigots more ammunition to hate a group of people that is different.

Even if he had been a first round pick, this celebration would not be justified, heterosexual or homosexual. It was tacky and inappropriate for the audience and context.

 
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Re: Tebow

The double standard issue does have some ground to stand on. But it wasn't always that way. Kid was lauded for 5 years, with channel after channel doing special interest stories on his mission work and moral code. Then it turned against him b/c he wasn't really good. Totally fair to get on the media for all that.

But that's got nothing to do with the knuckle-dragging idea that sexual orientation is a choice.

That is the fundamental problem in all this discussion. People who think it's a choice and people who know it's not.
 
Originally posted by andyctree:


Originally posted by Walsh4.5:

It's about the kids. No parent should have to explain to their kids why two guys are kissing on day time T.V.when nature dictates it's not natural. If they want to be Gay. No problem. No problem at all. Just don't throw it on TV and force the public to think it's natural.
Especially when only 2% max of the population is Gay. He should be drafted on his talent alone. That's all that matters. He should also be respected but what I don't like is this forcing of culture via media to accept being gay as natural and just "another option".
And how has nature determined that it is unnatural?

So it is unnatural to desire the embrace of another human being that doesn't result in procreation?

As unnatural as a blow job? Or more unnatural?





You can't be serious with this question??? How has nature determined homosexual is unnatural? How bout the fact that 99.9% any species you find operate on a masculine/feminine principle. To my knowledge, every species studied has an instinctive attraction to their female counter part and nature has obviously designed them that way for there continued existence. And please, stop the nonsense comparison to sexual acts done with a female vs male on male. Getting a blow job by a woman is not the same as a man getting one by a man. If that needs explaining to you then I understand why see noting wrong with men poking men. I swear these arguments for normalizing homosexuality get more ridiculous by the minute.

The question you should be asking yourself is what in nature indicates homosexuality to be a natural or normal act because everything I've seen and everything that has been studied indicates the opposite. It's peculiar to me that only gay scientist seem to come up with these theories or so called studies about gay animals which is pure bs. No animal is gay, even if they did supposedly have a homosexual encounter, what study shows that these animals intentionally choose a male mate and remain with them? What male lion or ape has a harem of male lions he's mating with and protecting?

Another ridiculous point, among the many, about this homo promotional tour going on is that who the fck defines themselves by a sexual act??? The sh*t is dumb and ridiculous! Yea, I'm John and I'm a titty sucking sexual. I'm Joe and I'm a p*ssy eating sexual. How bout we all just go round describing and defining ourselves by our sexual preferences, makes sense for them why not everyone? The sh*t is stupid and nothing more than a slick promotional tactic for this degenerate lifestyle. The fact that people can't have a dissenting opinion based on their own moral convictions with out being attacked and labeled at being hateful is, in fact, an assault on heterosexuality and an imposition on one's beliefs and values.
 
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Originally posted by canesrule21'ships:
kerem and andyctree I think you guys are missing the point.

The display with the cake mashing, eating, kissing was OVER THE TOP, and may serve to turn M.S. supporters into haters, or not supporters. It will lead to people stereotyping gays as fruitcakes who can't act like they have been there before. The few hugs and smooches I see on NFL draft day (of the heterosexual variety) are joyful, G rated, and not sexually suggestive. I do not hate homosexuals, maybe some of the critics here do, but this was an "I'm gay and I will be flamboyantly gay in your faces America, and if you don't like it, tough shit" moment. It was all about "me" (M.S.) when football is not a "me" sport, and never will be. It will alienate teammates and give the bigots more ammunition to hate a group of people that is different.

Even if he had been a first round pick, this celebration would not be justified, heterosexual or homosexual. It was tacky and inappropriate for the audience and context.

Fine, it was tacky. fair enough if some view it that way.
But that is NOT what the bigots and intellectually limited are pissed about. That may be the disguise they use, but fact is they r just a bunch of narrow minded bigots..........same people who 25 years ago would freak out by a black guy dating a white girl.......SAME PEOPLE

Sooo sick of the chimes of "they r throwing it in my face, they r going to ruin the children watching or its not good with Jesus blah blah blah"......what BS

If U don't like it don't watch.
If he insults U then turn away

All the guy is doing is "being who he is".........it was an emotional celebration for a once in a LIFETIME moment

I personally don't like all the bible banging shit that goes on.........don't like the holly roller TEBOW type shit, ya know what I do ??....I roll my eyes and go about my day. I don't rant and scream about all the Jesus freaks ruing the country....don't rant how they are brain washed and how stupid they all are.......don't start message board rants about how they r TRYING TO IMPOSE THEIR VIEWS ON ME !!!!

Tebow aint gonna turn me into a bible banger and Im confident that SAM isn't going to turn these idiots GAY.....difference is I guess Im more confident and secure that Im not turning..............makes U wonder what the INSECURE HOMOPHOBES are so scared of......

Bottom line is U cant fix STUPID and this board proves that to the umpteenth degree.
 
Originally posted by canesrule21'ships:
kerem and andyctree I think you guys are missing the point.

The display with the cake mashing, eating, kissing was OVER THE TOP, and may serve to turn M.S. supporters into haters, or not supporters. It will lead to people stereotyping gays as fruitcakes who can't act like they have been there before. The few hugs and smooches I see on NFL draft day (of the heterosexual variety) are joyful, G rated, and not sexually suggestive. I do not hate homosexuals, maybe some of the critics here do, but this was an "I'm gay and I will be flamboyantly gay in your faces America, and if you don't like it, tough shit" moment. It was all about "me" (M.S.) when football is not a "me" sport, and never will be. It will alienate teammates and give the bigots more ammunition to hate a group of people that is different.

Even if he had been a first round pick, this celebration would not be justified, heterosexual or homosexual. It was tacky and inappropriate for the audience and context.

If you look further back you will see that I agree ESPN is using Sam as a pawn, and I think that is wrong.

I don't feel like Sam did anything wrong. I feel like ESPN did. I also feel like him kissing his boyfriend is completely fine based on all the points I made above. If it is okay to watch Andy Dalton kiss his girlfriend it should also be fine to watch Sam. They can use this religious or unnatural argument all they want, but I can pick it apart.

I am in agreement with most about how ESPN handled the situation, but their job is to generate more viewers and consequently more discussion. And you could say they succeeded in their attempts.
 
Originally posted by Azar:

Originally posted by andyctree:



Originally posted by Walsh4.5:

It's about the kids. No parent should have to explain to their kids why two guys are kissing on day time T.V.when nature dictates it's not natural. If they want to be Gay. No problem. No problem at all. Just don't throw it on TV and force the public to think it's natural.
Especially when only 2% max of the population is Gay. He should be drafted on his talent alone. That's all that matters. He should also be respected but what I don't like is this forcing of culture via media to accept being gay as natural and just "another option".
And how has nature determined that it is unnatural?

So it is unnatural to desire the embrace of another human being that doesn't result in procreation?

As unnatural as a blow job? Or more unnatural?







You can't be serious with this question??? How has nature determined homosexual is unnatural? How bout the fact that 99.9% any species you find operate on a masculine/feminine principle. To my knowledge, every species studied has an instinctive attraction to their female counter part and nature has obviously designed them that way for there continued existence. And please, stop the nonsense comparison to sexual acts done with a female vs male on male. Getting a blow job by a woman is not the same as a man getting one by a man. If that needs explaining to you then I understand why see noting wrong with men poking men. I swear these arguments for normalizing homosexuality get more ridiculous by the minute.

The question you should be asking yourself is what in nature indicates homosexuality to be a natural or normal act because everything I've seen and everything that has been studied indicates the opposite. It's peculiar to me that only gay scientist seem to come up with these theories or so called studies about gay animals which is pure bs. No animal is gay, even if they did supposedly have a homosexual encounter, what study shows that these animals intentionally choose a male mate and remain with them? What male lion or ape has a harem of male lions he's mating with and protecting?

Another ridiculous point, among the many, about this homo promotional tour going on is that who the fck defines themselves by a sexual act??? The sh*t is dumb and ridiculous! Yea, I'm John and I'm a titty sucking sexual. I'm Joe and I'm a p*ssy eating sexual. How bout we all just go round describing and defining ourselves by our sexual preferences, makes sense for them why not everyone? The sh*t is stupid and nothing more than a slick promotional tactic for this degenerate lifestyle. The fact that people can't have a dissenting opinion based on their own moral convictions with out being attacked and labeled at being hateful is, in fact, an assault on heterosexuality and an imposition on one's beliefs and values.
No question that Homosexuality is abnormal from a purely biological stand point. However , for the 10% of the population (or less ?) that is gay, for them IT IS TOTALLY NORMAL, it is how they were born, how their genetic coding works. It is SIMPLY who they are........for them it is as NORMAL as U being heterosexual

Why is this so hard for U to accept ??
Why does this bother U so much, offend U so much ???
WHY ??

Don't worry, don't be scared, don't be insecure.........NOONE is going to turn U gay......I PROMISE !!!

and guess what genius, Bob the titty sucker, and Bill the pussy eater do not introduce themselves that way bc Bill n Bob are not persecuted their entire like by bigots like U simply for being who they are
PERIOD.
Bob n Bill are not denied federal rights, are not made fun of their entire childhood, are not subjected to violence for NO reason other than who they are

Why is this so difficult for U to grasp ???

Why not hate people who are red headed, or black, or tall FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN THEY HAVE THOSE TRAITS???
 
Azar the higher species, bottlenosed dolphin, probably orcas, though who would want to film that and risk being flipped up in the air 50 feet and then devoured on the way down, and many ape groups do actually engage in homosexual conduct. Who knows, maybe it's deviance, maybe it's population control, but we can't change it, and it really doesn't affect anybody. We have plenty of heterosexual child predators around.

While I was put off by the staged display meant to generate book and movie deals for Mr. Sam, and no he knew ESPN would be there so it wasn't a matter of ESPN invading his privacy it was M.S. jobbing the publicity, there is no reason to bring down our own wrath on people for being different. I'm a Christian and Jesus never said to hate anyone.
 
Originally posted by Azar:
Originally posted by andyctree:


Originally posted by Walsh4.5:

It's about the kids. No parent should have to explain to their kids why two guys are kissing on day time T.V.when nature dictates it's not natural. If they want to be Gay. No problem. No problem at all. Just don't throw it on TV and force the public to think it's natural.
Especially when only 2% max of the population is Gay. He should be drafted on his talent alone. That's all that matters. He should also be respected but what I don't like is this forcing of culture via media to accept being gay as natural and just "another option".
And how has nature determined that it is unnatural?

So it is unnatural to desire the embrace of another human being that doesn't result in procreation?

As unnatural as a blow job? Or more unnatural?





You can't be serious with this question??? How has nature determined homosexual is unnatural? How bout the fact that 99.9% any species you find operate on a masculine/feminine principle. To my knowledge, every species studied has an instinctive attraction to their female counter part and nature has obviously designed them that way for there continued existence. And please, stop the nonsense comparison to sexual acts done with a female vs male on male. Getting a blow job by a woman is not the same as a man getting one by a man. If that needs explaining to you then I understand why see noting wrong with men poking men. I swear these arguments for normalizing homosexuality get more ridiculous by the minute.

The question you should be asking yourself is what in nature indicates homosexuality to be a natural or normal act because everything I've seen and everything that has been studied indicates the opposite. It's peculiar to me that only gay scientist seem to come up with these theories or so called studies about gay animals which is pure bs. No animal is gay, even if they did supposedly have a homosexual encounter, what study shows that these animals intentionally choose a male mate and remain with them? What male lion or ape has a harem of male lions he's mating with and protecting?

Another ridiculous point, among the many, about this homo promotional tour going on is that who the fck defines themselves by a sexual act??? The sh*t is dumb and ridiculous! Yea, I'm John and I'm a titty sucking sexual. I'm Joe and I'm a p*ssy eating sexual. How bout we all just go round describing and defining ourselves by our sexual preferences, makes sense for them why not everyone? The sh*t is stupid and nothing more than a slick promotional tactic for this degenerate lifestyle. The fact that people can't have a dissenting opinion based on their own moral convictions with out being attacked and labeled at being hateful is, in fact, an assault on heterosexuality and an imposition on one's beliefs and values.
So by your definition, marriage is unnatural.

A man on man blow job is different than a woman on man? I guess I will take your judgement on it because you have experienced both?

No one is attacking you. No one is attacking heterosexuality. But you are attacking others for believing there is nothing wrong with homosexuality. Calling something degenerate is an attack.

It's funny how many times your contradict yourself.
 
most draftees got up gave their girlfriend or mom and hug and peck on the cheek and went on about their business. Never has so much time been given to a 6th round player as was given to him and his little bitch. We were proteced from the likes of Tebow for his values but we see a public display of that nature on TV?
 
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Originally posted by BAMA CANE.:

most draftees got up gave their girlfriend or mom and hug and peck on the cheek and went on about their business. Never has so much time been given to a 6th round player as was given to him and his little bitch. We were proteced from the likes of Tebow for his values but we see a public display of that nature on TV?
Ha! Protected. How many special interest stories did we get on Tim Tebow and his mission work in the Philippines when he was in college?
 
Originally posted by kerem:

Originally posted by Azar:


Originally posted by andyctree:




Originally posted by Walsh4.5:

It's about the kids. No parent should have to explain to their kids why two guys are kissing on day time T.V.when nature dictates it's not natural. If they want to be Gay. No problem. No problem at all. Just don't throw it on TV and force the public to think it's natural.
Especially when only 2% max of the population is Gay. He should be drafted on his talent alone. That's all that matters. He should also be respected but what I don't like is this forcing of culture via media to accept being gay as natural and just "another option".
And how has nature determined that it is unnatural?

So it is unnatural to desire the embrace of another human being that doesn't result in procreation?

As unnatural as a blow job? Or more unnatural?









You can't be serious with this question??? How has nature determined homosexual is unnatural? How bout the fact that 99.9% any species you find operate on a masculine/feminine principle. To my knowledge, every species studied has an instinctive attraction to their female counter part and nature has obviously designed them that way for there continued existence. And please, stop the nonsense comparison to sexual acts done with a female vs male on male. Getting a blow job by a woman is not the same as a man getting one by a man. If that needs explaining to you then I understand why see noting wrong with men poking men. I swear these arguments for normalizing homosexuality get more ridiculous by the minute.

The question you should be asking yourself is what in nature indicates homosexuality to be a natural or normal act because everything I've seen and everything that has been studied indicates the opposite. It's peculiar to me that only gay scientist seem to come up with these theories or so called studies about gay animals which is pure bs. No animal is gay, even if they did supposedly have a homosexual encounter, what study shows that these animals intentionally choose a male mate and remain with them? What male lion or ape has a harem of male lions he's mating with and protecting?

Another ridiculous point, among the many, about this homo promotional tour going on is that who the fck defines themselves by a sexual act??? The sh*t is dumb and ridiculous! Yea, I'm John and I'm a titty sucking sexual. I'm Joe and I'm a p*ssy eating sexual. How bout we all just go round describing and defining ourselves by our sexual preferences, makes sense for them why not everyone? The sh*t is stupid and nothing more than a slick promotional tactic for this degenerate lifestyle. The fact that people can't have a dissenting opinion based on their own moral convictions with out being attacked and labeled at being hateful is, in fact, an assault on heterosexuality and an imposition on one's beliefs and values.
No question that Homosexuality is abnormal from a purely biological stand point. However , for the 10% of the population (or less ?) that is gay, for them IT IS TOTALLY NORMAL, it is how they were born, how their genetic coding works. It is SIMPLY who they are........for them it is as NORMAL as U being heterosexual

Why is this so hard for U to accept ??
Why does this bother U so much, offend U so much ???
WHY ??

Don't worry, don't be scared, don't be insecure.........NOONE is going to turn U gay......I PROMISE !!!

and guess what genius, Bob the titty sucker, and Bill the pussy eater do not introduce themselves that way bc Bill n Bob are not persecuted their entire like by bigots like U simply for being who they are
PERIOD.
Bob n Bill are not denied federal rights, are not made fun of their entire childhood, are not subjected to violence for NO reason other than who they are

Why is this so difficult for U to grasp ???

Why not hate people who are red headed, or black, or tall FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN THEY HAVE THOSE TRAITS???
First of all, Kerem, it is not even close to 10% of the pop. that professes to be gay. And, you know or maybe you don't know, that a lot of people participating in homo activity are doing it nowadays as a result of the social shift the gay marketing campaign has created. Homosexuality is a damn fad now. Also many people practice homosexuality as a result of molestation, rape, or sexual trauma suffered at some point in their lives. This fact is conveniently hidden, however.

Why do you keep inventing your own science? No, there is no proof of any genetic coding. You guys who defend this sh*t constantly throw sh*t against the wall hoping it sticks. This is a choice, a preference, not a normal state of being. I was born black and genetically coded with black hair, brown eyes, a Johnson and a nut sack that's anatomically designed to fit into a vag. You can sell your homo pseudo science to your fellow brain dead zombies who promote this garbage with you.

This has got to be the funniest gay defense mechanism, this whole notion that someone's scared being turned gay because they disapprove of unnatural behavior. You can keep your promises fella, ole Zar doesn't have any issues with manhood. Lol. You ask why does it bother you so much? I should be asking you, why doesn't it bother you? Lol. It's natural for me as a man to find kissing, let a lone screwing, another man some nasty azz sh*t (Pun intended). Think about some things you find disgusting and ask yourself the question if society all of a sudden began to accept this as normal would it become non offensive and non disgusting to you? If eating dogs, pedophilia, bestiality, or my example, me being a public p*ssy licker
offend you or some people, would it not offend you simply because society began to push it as a norm? Should I have the right to lick p*ssy in public because it's my sexual preference? In fact, I think I'll form the Public P*ssy Lickers of America and lobby for the right to lick in public. You gonna join this fight and defend our rights, too? Lol. Why is it so hard for you to understand that people have moral and ethical values/beliefs that they've held all their lives? My values are based on universal principles, what are you basing your values on? Pseudo science and an ever changing public opinion??? Yeah right, an I'm the one that off base.

Your response to my example, btw, is totally off and has absolutely nothing to do with the point I was making. I believe you're intelligent enough to know what point I was making but your intentionally twisting it to suit your argument or rebuttal. I was addressing the insidiousness of defining oneself by a sexual preference, you think if I tried to titty suck of p*ssy lick in public that I would not be persecuted? In fact, I'd be arrested for lewd and lascivious acts, indecent exposure, and maybe some other charge. So stop diverting the point and address what I'm saying, its stupid to go around defining yourself as sexual preference.

I really like your last play, when all else fails jump on the black folks' civil rights train. Lol. I'm a bigot because I don't agree with homosexuality. Yeah right, I'm a pedophilia bigot too, in fact, I'll send you a list of all the sh*t I don't agree with so you can add those to my bigotry list. Btw, are you repub bigot or dem bigot? What are some of the things you don't agree with? Let's see your bigotry list since we have this new definition for bigotry. Anything we don't agree with means we're bigoted towards it, right? Let go Kerem, let's hear your bigotry list???
 
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Originally posted by Azar:

Originally posted by kerem:


Originally posted by Azar:



Originally posted by andyctree:





Originally posted by Walsh4.5:

It's about the kids. No parent should have to explain to their kids why two guys are kissing on day time T.V.when nature dictates it's not natural. If they want to be Gay. No problem. No problem at all. Just don't throw it on TV and force the public to think it's natural.
Especially when only 2% max of the population is Gay. He should be drafted on his talent alone. That's all that matters. He should also be respected but what I don't like is this forcing of culture via media to accept being gay as natural and just "another option".
And how has nature determined that it is unnatural?

So it is unnatural to desire the embrace of another human being that doesn't result in procreation?

As unnatural as a blow job? Or more unnatural?











You can't be serious with this question??? How has nature determined homosexual is unnatural? How bout the fact that 99.9% any species you find operate on a masculine/feminine principle. To my knowledge, every species studied has an instinctive attraction to their female counter part and nature has obviously designed them that way for there continued existence. And please, stop the nonsense comparison to sexual acts done with a female vs male on male. Getting a blow job by a woman is not the same as a man getting one by a man. If that needs explaining to you then I understand why see noting wrong with men poking men. I swear these arguments for normalizing homosexuality get more ridiculous by the minute.

The question you should be asking yourself is what in nature indicates homosexuality to be a natural or normal act because everything I've seen and everything that has been studied indicates the opposite. It's peculiar to me that only gay scientist seem to come up with these theories or so called studies about gay animals which is pure bs. No animal is gay, even if they did supposedly have a homosexual encounter, what study shows that these animals intentionally choose a male mate and remain with them? What male lion or ape has a harem of male lions he's mating with and protecting?

Another ridiculous point, among the many, about this homo promotional tour going on is that who the fck defines themselves by a sexual act??? The sh*t is dumb and ridiculous! Yea, I'm John and I'm a titty sucking sexual. I'm Joe and I'm a p*ssy eating sexual. How bout we all just go round describing and defining ourselves by our sexual preferences, makes sense for them why not everyone? The sh*t is stupid and nothing more than a slick promotional tactic for this degenerate lifestyle. The fact that people can't have a dissenting opinion based on their own moral convictions with out being attacked and labeled at being hateful is, in fact, an assault on heterosexuality and an imposition on one's beliefs and values.
No question that Homosexuality is abnormal from a purely biological stand point. However , for the 10% of the population (or less ?) that is gay, for them IT IS TOTALLY NORMAL, it is how they were born, how their genetic coding works. It is SIMPLY who they are........for them it is as NORMAL as U being heterosexual

Why is this so hard for U to accept ??
Why does this bother U so much, offend U so much ???
WHY ??

Don't worry, don't be scared, don't be insecure.........NOONE is going to turn U gay......I PROMISE !!!

and guess what genius, Bob the titty sucker, and Bill the pussy eater do not introduce themselves that way bc Bill n Bob are not persecuted their entire like by bigots like U simply for being who they are
PERIOD.
Bob n Bill are not denied federal rights, are not made fun of their entire childhood, are not subjected to violence for NO reason other than who they are

Why is this so difficult for U to grasp ???

Why not hate people who are red headed, or black, or tall FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN THEY HAVE THOSE TRAITS???
First of all, Kerem, it is not even close to 10% of the pop. that professes to be gay. And, you know or maybe you don't know, that a lot of people participating in homo activity are doing it nowadays as a result of the social shift the gay marketing campaign has created. Homosexuality is a damn fad now. Also many people practice homosexuality as a result of molestation, rape, or sexual trauma suffered at some point in their lives. This fact is conveniently hidden, however.

Why do you keep inventing your own science? No, there is no proof of any genetic coding. You guys who defend this sh*t constantly throw sh*t against the wall hoping it sticks. This is a choice, a preference, not a normal state of being. I was born black and genetically coded with black hair, brown eyes, a Johnson and a nut sack that's anatomically designed to fit into a vag. You can sell your homo pseudo science to your fellow brain dead zombies who promote this garbage with you.

This has got to be the funniest gay defense mechanism, this whole notion that someone's scared being turned gay because they disapprove of unnatural behavior. You can keep your promises fella, ole Zar doesn't have any issues with manhood. Lol. You ask why does it bother you so much? I should be asking you, why doesn't it bother you? Lol. It's natural for me as a man to find kissing, let a lone screwing, another man some nasty azz sh*t (Pun intended). Think about some things you find disgusting and ask yourself the question if society all of a sudden began to accept this as normal would it become non offensive and non disgusting to you? If eating dogs, pedophilia, bestiality, or my example, me being a public p*ssy licker
offend you or some people, would it not offend you simply because society began to push it as a norm? Should I have the right to lick p*ssy in public because it's my sexual preference? In fact, I think I'll form the Public P*ssy Lickers of America and lobby for the right to lick in public. You gonna join this fight and defend our rights, too? Lol. Why is it so hard for you to understand that people have moral and ethical values/beliefs that they've held all their lives? My values are based on universal principles, what are you basing your values on? Pseudo science and an ever changing public opinion??? Yeah right, an I'm the one that off base.

Your response to my example, btw, is totally off and has absolutely nothing to do with the point I was making. I believe you're intelligent enough to know what point I was making but your intentionally twisting it to suit your argument or rebuttal. I was addressing the insidiousness of defining oneself by a sexual preference, you think if I tried to titty suck of p*ssy lick in public that I would not be persecuted? In fact, I'd be arrested for lewd and lascivious acts, indecent exposure, and maybe some other charge. So stop diverting the point and address what I'm saying, its stupid to go around defining yourself as sexual preference.

I really like your last play, when all else fails jump on the black folks' civil rights train. Lol. I'm a bigot because I don't agree with homosexuality. Yeah right, I'm a pedophilia bigot too, in fact, I'll send you a list of all the sh*t I don't agree with so you can add those to my bigotry list. Btw, are you repub bigot or dem bigot? What are some of the things you don't agree with? Let's see your bigotry list since we have this new definition for bigotry. Anything we don't agree with means we're bigoted towards it, right? Let go Kerem, let's hear your bigotry list???
Ill keep it VERY VERY simple for U as to not confuse U or send U off on a illogical, uninformed, ignorant rant.

Here ya go:

My bigotry list is the following:

1- Stupid people
2- Really STUPID people
 
Originally posted by canesrule21'ships:
Azar the higher species, bottlenosed dolphin, probably orcas, though who would want to film that and risk being flipped up in the air 50 feet and then devoured on the way down, and many ape groups do actually engage in homosexual conduct. Who knows, maybe it's deviance, maybe it's population control, but we can't change it, and it really doesn't affect anybody. We have plenty of heterosexual child predators around.

While I was put off by the staged display meant to generate book and movie deals for Mr. Sam, and no he knew ESPN would be there so it wasn't a matter of ESPN invading his privacy it was M.S. jobbing the publicity, there is no reason to bring down our own wrath on people for being different. I'm a Christian and Jesus never said to hate anyone.









Have you seen any statement in any of my posts stating the I hate Sam? Go ahead, quote one for me. I've condemned the act of homosexuality and I've expressed my opinion based on my moral values and beliefs. I stated that although animals may in fact participate in homosexuality which the numbers are extremely low if so, those that do don't pick male mates and remain with them (i.e. live a gay lifestyle) as they do with female mates. I also stated that, coincidently, most of these studies appear to be done by gay scientist/organization. It's kinda like how Hershey's always funds studies on chocolate, wonder what the results of the study will be??? Don't add words or ideas to my comment, not approving of homo activity or mentioning pedophilia is not saying hetero people do not commit disgusting acts also.

Again, the homo defense community must have a comprehension problem because I'm seeing a pattern. Example, this clown acting as if you have to have tried something to formulate an opinion. I've never eaten sh*t, you jackazz, but I can without a doubt say it's nasty and disgusting. Yes, get head from woman is different than getting from a man. It's just like a sexual act with a damn little girl is different from that with a woman, it's unacceptable jackazz and I don't need to sleep with little girl to know that. My sense of humanity, social values, morals, and wisdom tell me this. My point is, keep that sh*t to yourself. They, LGBT, know exactly what they're doing and they're doing with great success right now. Funny how all of you just conveniently breezed over the agenda items I quoted from the gay agenda. What does removing the consensual age of sex have to do the homo acceptance if that's truly all this is about? Why do gay instructors need to come into schools and homosexually indoctrinate kids? What's the purpose of this????





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Ill keep it VERY VERY simple for U as to not confuse U or send U off on a illogical, uninformed, ignorant rant.

Here ya go:

My bigotry list is the following:

1- Stupid people
2- Really STUPID people
I concur! Stating something is illogical, uninformed or ignorant without any supporting info. or basis really shows a lot of intelligence on your part, btw. Damn you're sharp...
 
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BOTTOM LINE IS WE LIVE IN A COUNTRY WHERE EVERYONE IS TRYING TO MAKE WHATS ABNORMAL NORMAL"
 
I have to agree "USMC"! I don't believe one elects to be gay, rather, you are born that way. I personally have zero problem with a person bring gay, we are all God's children. However, I did not see any reason to show the segment on national television of both men kissing. That was over and above. I wish him well in the NFL and devoid of any negativity going forward.
 
It is really embarrassing for so many "Christians" on here to reference God and the bible when you have probably never taken the time to discern what they were actually saying. Unnatural and abomination had different meaning back then when the text was written. Unnatural was also referenced by Paul as him praying. Abomination was also eating crabs, pork, or lobster.

You don't see people protesting outside of Joe's Stone Crabs because of what Leviticus wrote, but you hear them twist the same language for homosexuals.

You speak about the words of God, but all you preach is the words of man.

I hope the next time your wife is menstruating you inform her how dirty she is and force her to sleep in a separate room than you. Then you can talk about how great of a Christian you are, and how you follow the words of God.


Not factual, god specifically states what he classifies as an abomination in leviticus, proverbs, deuteronomy. nothing about crabs, pork or lobster, sorry my friend, but an easy google search will prove that, if you know nothing about the bible. The bible speaks more about homosexuality being an abomination than anything else, but none of which talks about port and crabs. Eating pig meat is considered unclean, not an abomination. God also references much dislike for homosexuals and adulteres and idolulterers
 
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Originally posted by theguv:
Ardvarkas,

Your co sign of sabrose's post is more depression than sabrose's post. You have a college degree and a JD and this is what you think? This is the tenor of your true thoughts?
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What do you expect from that loser advarkas, total POS?

Joer made a great point.
 
There are biological truths that are absolute. Gays go against a biological norm. They cant reproduce without the despicable use of surrogates. I agree many are born gay and dont deserve to be beaten up or discriminated against in most forms of employment.I wouldnt have a gay male camp overnight with boy scouts nor would I have a hetero male camp with Girl Scouts.
But it doesnt mean I cant be appalled or disgusted by their behavior. Its a free country . Michael Sam has every right to display his sexuality and the heterosexual majority has every right to be sickened by it. It seems that god fearing heterosexual white people in this country are the only ones who can be offended without recourse.
The post baby boomer generation has accelerated the me first attitude in child rearing and the children are suffering for it. As marriage gets destroyed so do the chances of depression and malfeasance in the children increase. Chaos in schools is directly reflected by this. Whats the governments answer? Not create incentives to get married, but discourage it through the tax structure and welfare and encourage gay marriage. Its a country rumbling and bumbling through social chaos as the children get trampled in its wake. Its absolute insanity.
 
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Originally posted by sabrose:
There are biological truths that are absolute. Gays go against a biological norm. They cant reproduce without the despicable use of surrogates. I agree many are born gay and dont deserve to be beaten up or discriminated against in most forms of employment.I wouldnt have a gay male camp overnight with boy scouts nor would I have a hetero male camp with Girl Scouts.
But it doesnt mean I cant be appalled or disgusted by their behavior. Its a free country . Michael Sam has every right to display his sexuality and the heterosexual majority has every right to be sickened by it. It seems that god fearing heterosexual white people in this country are the only ones who can be offended without recourse.
The post baby boomer generation has accelerated the me first attitude in child rearing and the children are suffering for it. As marriage gets destroyed so do the chances of depression and malfeasance in the children increase. Chaos in schools is directly reflected by this. Whats the governments answer? Not create incentives to get married, but discourage it through the tax structure and welfare and encourage gay marriage. Its a country rumbling and bumbling through social chaos as the children get trampled in its wake. Its absolute insanity.
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