Russia has an economy the size of Spain ( soon to be the size of the Netherlands after sanctions are done with them). It can’t therefore be considered a world power anymore, especially now that their military has been exposed as a paper tiger.
This Ukraine situation something is wrong
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Russia has an economy the size of Spain ( soon to be the size of the Netherlands after sanctions are done with them). It can’t therefore be considered a world power anymore, especially now that their military has been exposed as a paper tiger.
The Oligarchs don’t have any power. It’s the five or so Siloviki (security insiders) who Putin listens to and it’s them who can over throw him.
The fact the Ukrainian skies remain contested is evidence that the Russians don’t control it. Ukrainian MIGs are still shooting down Russian planes. They are just limited because of Russian SAM batteries, many of which are inside Russia and Belarus.
read this and you tell me if Trump was Putins boy .
NY times if you think Biden and his advisers would have done this .
Remember it was Trump that had to enforce the red line that the Obama Biden administration was unwilling to do because hmmm Russia was in there. Well Trump as you would say”Putins boy “ fired about 90 cruise missile’s not to kill a bunch of people but hit military installations that were Russian. Sounds like Biden is Putins “boy”
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/...ican-commandos-russian-mercenaries-syria.html
This has nothing to do with Trump or Putin. We were in Syria to pursue ISIS. The Russian mercenaries were there to prop up Assad and got in our way.
Here's another truth. You support a lying, corrupt POS named Trump. Deal with it!!
Riiiiiight... Trumps fault that Putin is committing war crimes on another country while Biden and the rest of the sackless world leaders watch on with trembling hands.
Can you elaborate how it's Trumps fault again? I posted above:
Obama in office - Putin takes Crimea
Trump in office - Putin doesn't do $hit
Biden in office - Putin invades Ukraine
See a pattern here?
Annnndddd here come the SJW's!!
Well... it was a good thread but I feel it's about to turn REALLY toxic now that the radical socialists have arrived.
Good talking to everyone else but it's time to unfollow this thread and spend my time doing ANYTHING else.
Well... it was a good thread but I feel it's about to turn REALLY toxic now that the radical socialists have arrived.
Good talking to everyone else but it's time to unfollow this thread and spend my time doing ANYTHING else.
This silly talking point was debunked in my previous post. See the damage Trump did to NATO and to US democratic institutions domestically. Both are major targets of Putin’s, but he didn’t need to take any action because Trump did all his work for him.
You should be thanking Trump. You criticize where you should praise. He called it perfectly and was looking out for our tax dollars, our troops, our expenses.
Trump’s whiplash NATO summit
President says US can go it alone if allies don’t meet spending target.
You should be thanking Trump. You criticize where you should praise. He called it perfectly and was looking out for our tax dollars, our troops, our expenses.
Trump’s whiplash NATO summit
President says US can go it alone if allies don’t meet spending target.www.politico.eu
It would've been a dream scenario for Putin if Trump pulled the US out, since he could've walked right into Ukraine, detonated tactical nukes and chemical weapons along the way, because Article 5 meant nothing without the US in the alliance. He would've then taken over Ukraine and created a new iron curtain, and in the process, fomenting revolutions in various eastern European nations just as the Soviets once did. That goodness the American people got rid of Donald Trump to ensure that will never happen.
It was never happening. You simply do not understand the negotiating skills. He was RIGHT in telling them there was no need for the USA tax payer and the USA troops to continue to pay and protect countries in an alliance that were essentially sleeping with the enemy. In addition failing to live up to their agreements at the EXPENSE of the United states. You are so slanted in your liberal viewpoints that you can't even say TRUMP WAS 100% RIGHT even after watching Putin storm into Ukraine. That is how I know you are dishonest.
With Trump in office, Putin was already getting what he wanted. Far from deterring Putin, Tfump did the opposite. Thanks to Trump, Putin was able to take advantage of a period of apparent detente during which Trump actually pursue Putin's own policies of weakening NATO and democracy and destabilizing the West, leaving Putin free to prepare his war against Ukraine.
Mike, \this "opinion" of yours is simply not true. I think Trump had Putin under control and at bay and any thoughts of collusion here is simply fantasy.
It was a red herring to begin with and had zero meaning in the broader geo-political interests of any NATO country. Trump's attempted use of mafia tactics to intimidate NATO ended up being incredibly destructive to its mission. This would've been a dream scenario for Putin had Trump gotten reelected, because the Trump virus he helped emplace into American society would do all his damage for him with minimal Russian involvement. Now that this is no longer available to Putin, he is being forced to take matters into his own hands. Republicans should avoid making deals with the devil in future election cycles to avoid inexperienced charlatans with no experience in international affairs attempting to speak for the United States.
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They seem to ignore the inconvenient fact that NATO was severely weakened during Trump's term, thereby benefiting ......wait for it.......Vladimir Putin.
Trump having Putin under control and at bay is delusional. Remember, Trump took Putin's word over that of his own Intel agencies over election interference and praises Putin to this day! He recently declared Putin to be "very savvy" and his decision to roll his army into separatist-held parts of Ukraine "genius". No mention of Putin's troops getting hammered and suffering huge casualties. Trump loves autocrats. On meeting Kim Jong,"And then we fell in love". He also defended Saudi prince Bin Salmon over the killing of journalist Khashoggi. Again, ignoring his own Intel agencies.
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With respect to NATO, Trump's goal was to get the NATO nations to pay their fair share of military costs for their own safety. Until then, not even the richest countries like Germany were paying their committed dues. Now they are. If you look at this objectively, NATO is stronger with all countries paying their fair share. I don't believable this is arguable.
As long as they have nukes…and appear to eagerly want to use them, they won’t be looked at as a paper tiger.
You mean to say that Trump DEMANDING that Germany and all other NATO nations spend the FULL 2% of their GDP on their MILITARY obligations was somehow a ploy to help Putin? G-D help you man you are one lost individual. Maybe it was Trump chiding Germany for relying on Russian oil that secretly helped Putin?
Mike you are 1 big old fool. Seriously man an utter buffoon.
So now the China virus is Trumps virus? I swear to G-D you libs become more insane by the minute.
Yes yes. The same Pinocchios they gave to Hunters laptop. You go girl.
There's nothing complicated or remotely controversial about what I said. Its literally spelled out you. Trump liked and admired Vladimir Putin and his behavior in attacking two key Putin objectives (the weakening of NATO and the weakening of US democratic institutions) benefited Russia far more than anything Putin himself could've done during Trump's four years.
There are three core components to being considered a superpower (or hyperpower). Military, economic, and technological superiority. Only the US and China meet these characteristics. Russia, as John McCain correctly pointed out, is little more than a gas station masquerading as a nation state.
He saw a weak ass potus and knew it would be his chance to take Ukraine as he took Crimean when the other weak ass bitch was in office ..
This from the idiot who worships a twice impeached serial lying con man!
Absolutely amazing that even though its 2022, some of these desperados continue to worship at the alter of Donald Trump - not necessarily because they agree with him, but because they want to own the libs.
They ignore the fact that Trump called NATO "obsolete" and indicted multiple times that he wanted the U.S, to withdraw.
He had some good policies, some not so good but his pathological narcissism was difficult to stomach. His niece,Mary Trump, a mental health professional, gave us insight into his behavior in her book: 'Too much and Never Enough: How My Family Created the World's Most Dangerous Man".
This is exactly correct
Trump needed to motivate the NATO countries to step up. They eventually did , because of Trump.
They needed to be shaken up
I have the same take as Trump on the Europeans
They are fickle friends , looking out for themselves, ungrateful that we bailed them out in two world wars , and stingy.
Trump looked at Russia realistically. What could they do for us , how could they be controlled without violence.
He opposed Russia by becoming the dominant energy producer in the world . The energy progress he made was immediately dismantled by Brandon once he took office .
#brandonistoblame
#cuntalaisamoron
I was highly alarmed and vocal about Trump being a destabilizing force that could reduce American/Western power in the globe from day 1 of his campaign in 2015. Not a moment has passed since that I've thought otherwise. THAT BEING SAID... I think responses like yours above are *very* unhelpful. Some degree of humility is needed that recognizes we may not accurately assess every aspect of Trump and that in a two party system there are going to be lots of people who would vote for Trump in spite of disliking some of the same stuff we do. Some posters on CS have shown themselves unambiguously to be pretty rotten people, rkrantz is not at all one of them.
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Long way to go still here, but developments continue to be consistent with this being an unmitigated disaster for Russia + Putin. No major cities taken, significant casualties and equipment loss mounting, they have halted or fallen back on almost all of the fronts they opened, and now the Kremlin is stating willingness to be satisfied with compromise involving a NATO neutral but E.U. member ukraine. That being said, Putin should not be trusted, WMDs could upend everything, and no matter what much of the sanctions should remain either way until he is gone.
Thanks for speaking on behalf of @rkrantz but he's a big boy and can speak for himself. I know him to be a right wing worshipper of the 4th worse president in American history. The facts are clear about Trump. America nor this world can have another Trump presidency. The man is corrupt to the core.
I wasn't speaking on his behalf, I was reminding him and others that there is no single voice that speaks on behalf of those of us who are adamantly anti-trump. I can agree with all your assertions about Trump but at the end of the day it comes down to your goals in talking with trump supporters. A constructive dialogue doesn't mean you have to sell out your principles. Long term this nation will implode under its own pressure if on a person to person level we don't make some effort to pull out of the nosedive.
I don’t buy the nonsense being spewed by the media and their hired “ experts “ about Russia losing and thus retreating.
I do think that they got punched in the nose and it hurt , but they won’t leave until they get something in return , other than promises of neutrality. I also believe that the question of sanctions will be on the negotiating table .
Why would Russia agree to stop the carnage if they will continue to be sanctioned?
If anything they will just amplify their actions from long range with civilian targets.
